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Is there any other news about the new exchange? I am very bored if still in liqui, the price will only be cheap and always just, there is no big exchange that can be a price regulator.
Now we spend time to regulate other questions such as compliance review. You should now that we are not the only supercomputer project on the market. Exchanges got shaken and they are worried about their reputation today. Now to get listed on BITTREX for example takes longer YOU FUCKING LIE MANY ICO'S THAT STARTED AFTER SONM ARE IN BITTREX LIKE CIVIC SNT ETC "Bittrex had more questions to us because we have so called "divident model"" LOL they just have infos that you are a scam ...!!! "Exchanges got shaken and they are worried about their reputation today" exchanges have worries about their REP like always that is why they will not add a scam like sonm YOU RUSSIAN SCAMMER STOP YOUR BS YOUR FUCKING CEO IS A STUPID KID THAT CAN'T TALK OR TYPE ENGLISH ....LOL ALL PERSONS RELATED TO SONM PROJECT ARE FUCKING BASTARDS THAT LIE TO POOR INVESTORS INVESTORS I AM TELLING YOU, YOUR MONEY ARE GONE IF YOU DON'T ACT NOW THIS PROJECT IS A SCAM 10000% This ICO brought shame to the Russians, they are connected with scams because of this. These clowns are obviously lying for months now, they stole the ico investors and gave 4x more tokens to pre-ico insiders. So bittrex cannot list sonm yet? I know why, it is because their contract is not even verified yet, that's why!! Go check by yourself in etherscan!! Many icos of crap tokens which happened AFTER sonm are already listed in bittrex and/or poloniex. While DNT is discussing openly with its community about being listed in bittrex, these clowns here keep saying they cannot comment, strange isn't it? Their project is pathetic. Wanna put your microwave to be a part of a supercomputer? HAHAHA How can they code artificial intelligence, create a supercomputer, and what else... Ah, beat amazon in market share (LMAO!!!!), if they cannot do simple math and give bonus correctly??? Russia created sputnik, but also these clowns, gotta keep things even I guess, they can train monkeys to fly a spaceship these days. Wake up, this was a major hyped piece of junk project, who screwed over even previous team mates, who LEFT the project, including the true CEO Voronkov. All the updates are ridiculous pictures of idiots holding their chin, and do nothing for the price of the token. Sonm was taken by Alexey AntoNovaDick narcissistic scammer and that ceo idiot who posts pictures of himself like a fool. Check the post of the previous member of the team denouncing it, check the screenshots of conversations in that thread, and the evaluation of the CEO coding skills, just check: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1895293.0Chronobank is behind it, and Lisk, PnD coin, this tells you everything, Vitalik never even mentioned this shit. Take your lessons and move on because this is definitely stillborn, the only hope is that in russia the russian investors take care of them with a hammer. And don't be idiot saying fud is because people wanna buy cheap, this is the same cheap-not-moving price in a single exchange for how long now? How is any fud needed to buy this crap cheap?
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Obviously we share common ancestors, not to mention one male can get any number of females pregnant. You don't need 20 people to generate 10 people, actually just a couple suffices.
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The ridiculous conspiracy theories in this thread and why this is not working or that is happening with deposits/withdrawal misguiding.
For example to be SAFE viabtc is waiting 20 confirms to complete, NO funny business, smart and safe, knock off the stupidity and READ.
Let the haters hate. Who cares? Truth is everybody dumped their alts to get BCC at the last days, truth is there as clear as the sky.
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LOL, Bitcoin Cash overtaking ethereum!
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P.S. Лично я вообще не сторонник раннего выхода на биржу, до достижения каких-либо продуктовых результатов. Куча проектов, проводивших этим летом ICO, одинаково провалились при выходе на биржу, банально из-за того, что первыми токены начинали сливать получатели баунти (которым чаще всего плевать на курс), при этом какие-то особые факторы для роста отсутствовали, что и укатывало курс в пол. Если же выпускать токены позже (как это чаще всего и осуществлялось до всего этого хайпа с этериумом), то такой проблемы не будет, т.к. на старте уже будет определенный уровень спроса.
Сейчас модно всё валить на баунтистов, особенно просадки биржевого курса, однако спешу напомнить, что на баунти обычно отводится скромных 2% сборов и выход на биржу вместе со сливом часто начинается раньше выплат по баунти. То есть это либо злые конкуренты покупают токены на ICO, а затем сливают его на бирже себе в убыток (вариант маловероятный, но отметать его полностью нельзя), либо токены льют сами разработчики (что более вероятно). Я же специально написал, что конкретно этот пассаж — мое, сугубо личное мнение. Конечно на курс влияют не только получатели баунти, еще в вышеописанной ситуации негативно будут влиять даже ранние инвесторы, получившие бонус в рамках ICO и пытающиеся сыграть на понижение при выходе на биржу, чтобы потом откупить большее количество токенов. Мой основной тезис был в том, что при отсутствии адекватных продуктовых результатов, любая ситуация на бирже это результат спекуляций, а не реальное отражение отношения инвесторов к проекту и спросу на токен! А касательно сливающих токены разработчиков, честно говоря, уже даже комментировать лень! Во-первых, если просто задуматься, то это довольно нелогичное поведение — вместо того, чтобы заниматься своим основным делом, а именно разрабатывать продукт, который имеет прямое влияние на стоимость токена, они вдруг зачем-то начинают сливать свои запасы ниже "себестоимости". Зачем? Какая мотивация тут может быть? А, во-вторых, ну можно же перед тем, как принимать решение об участии в ICO (любое), хотя бы прочитать документацию! Есть прекрасный документ SONM Business Overview (.pdf), где в разделе ' Founder’s fee' черным по белому написано, что ' the founding team will receive 10% of allocation of SNM, subject to a twelve-month holding period', а если по-русски, то даже при сильном желании разработчики не смогут начать реализовывать свои токены на биржах пока не пройдет год с момента краудсейла! До этого времени средства заморожены! Если же и такого обоснования недостаточно, то можно просто своими глазами заглянуть сначала в документ (подсмотреть бюджет токенов на команду — 44 400 000 SONM), а потом в блокчейн, где среди владельцев токена SONM можно легко найти адрес с подходящим балансом. Там же можно легко убедиться, что транзакций с него не было, а значит вся история про "сливающих разработчиков" не более, чем вымысел (или целенаправленный злонамеренный флуд). Они были бы совершенно тупыми, если бы они сливали с этого адреса. Суть в том, что SONM организован мошенниками из icopromo (Хронобанк, таас, ходят слухи что Zrкоин и Старта тоже их рук дело) схема организованная ими достаточно проста и стара как мир. Они вливали собственные средства полученные от других уже проведенных своих ICO, тем самым раздувая сборы и на них получали токены, деньги возвращались к ним назад, а халявные токены они льют на бирже по любым ценам. Именно поэтому они в последний момент отказались от эскроу и взяли "своих" людей. Этот токен - это мошенничество, в котором участвуют жопы Chronobank. Надеюсь, русские в москве пробивают себе лицо железными прутьями.
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Hello,
I am new in the forums. I have been studying crypto currency for the past few months, trying to understand how it works, reading, etc. STRATIS has been on my radar as a solid coin, and with the recent price drops, it might be my opportunity to get in. I would love to read your opinions, do you think STRAT will have the buyer support to climb back up? I am still new and trying to figure things out, thank you a lot for your answers and help towards the newbie I am.
I wish you all a good day!
P.S English is not my native tongue, please excuse me for any grammatical errors you might find on my post.
Seriously, STRATIS is one of the best crypto out there. There are some whales trying to shake down the weak hands to get more and more stratis. When they finish this joke, price will climb further, it will be their pump time. Don't forget stratis had already a big valuation even with current price. I see 3x increase in near future, I tried to scalp with stratis and stratis punished me, I lost 80% profit opportunity I could have had these past 3 1/2 weeks, lesson learned. Still I squeezed out some 15%. I can tell you, you can buy anywhere below 0.003 sat. I know it will hurt to see it going down, but the future is stratis reaching 15 to 20 usd. Buy it and go do some yoga to relax! lol Previous holders profit and leave, new ones buy more expensive and form new supports. This will keep going because the coin is solid.
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So all of you are dumping all you have to buy BTC and be in two awesome networks, right? Like, ''hardfork is cool cuz i double my dough, dude! '' Ok, ok. But, do you realize that all of this is a coup, or not? All of this BIP 91 shit was obviously a manipulative excuse to prevent the inexorable dive into the abyss, and it did prevent although is a puff of smoke! Still we have the Big Coup Coming!! Do you have enough "dough" to dump and break apart one of the networks? Big miners have, forget 51% attack, this is just a piece of intellectual BS at this point, forks and dumps are the real machinery! What would you do when this happens? Because you already bought into their fake fomo. So maybe coup is not the word... it is a fucking financial WAR, Axis x Allies sort of. Massive weaponry against desperate dudes in a lab to create The tech-Bomb, at least this is what they want you[us] to think. BIP 91 was only the intelligence move, their wallets are fuller than ever. Fud and Fomo pawns throw up at the first shots, piss their pants when recognize the horde of mongols in their horses. Should the dump start... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xnTU4dKpoB8I doubt people remaining with the other altcoins will be willing to sell them for any of the two network ForKoins. Say hi to crypto neutral Switzerland! Congratz warmongers, I doubt bitcoin will ever be the same.
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Lets just call them "PennyCoins" instead.
I like this idea! So, are you pennycoining these days?
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I hope your ETH investment works out well for you.
Thank you. It is still time to get in, price is still very cheap.
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Wtf is wrong? Everything is green and stratis red Nothing is wrong. It's correction. Stratis was in a strong bull run. No coin can sustain such growth without taking a break. From the charts it looks like Stratis might start to move back up soon. stratis will fall, short selling now
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Are Altcoins becoming the new penny stocks?
Absolutely, yes. The biggest opportunities for profit, also the most dangerous.
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Die ethereum can only, together with the market of crypto currency! But correction, and very serious, will undoubtedly be ...
That was some serious Master Yoda grammar there!
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There are plain scams, but also "soft" or elaborate scams. One very easy thing to do is to gather some ''devs'', pay someone to do webdesign and to write a good WP, create some hype. One can set up multiple profiles in linkedIn and fake those profiles with random photos and copied info from real profiles. This would give a false impression of a professional network.
GitHub can also be defrauded, albeit it is more difficult because there is a timeline there. So time of activity in GitHub is a good indicator of real or fake expertise. No one would intentionally fake 5 years of expertise since ICOs are more recent. Only if they buy profiles, or if they are mediocre programmers but already with years of mediocre code shared in GitHub. Or if they hack it somehow.
Even more difficult to get is a scam that also cheats the devs allocated, it is never the intention of the "CEO" to develop anything, but he manages to get some guys with real curriculum promising them a good share of the ICO revenue. Being a programmer is not exactly a highly paid profession in average, so some people would be more than willing to lend their names in exchange for a good piece of the ico pie. This might be done even signing legal documents, etc, but the effect is only to protect those ad hoc hired devs. The community thinks singed contracts are evidence of good will and seriousness, even better for the scammers. One life-changer shot of getting some millions in a few months...
After this, it is not difficult to squander the money since there is no compromise on successfully developing shit, after all it is a startup.
Be aware of all these details and simply don't put any money should a red flag pops up.
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Because what has no value to you may be worth a lot more to someone else, even if its only speculators.
Exactly, and this is good for the market, it brings liquidity. People are thinking as negative something which is positive, no one forces you to buy this or that, so do the homework and don't complain about something you can simply ignore entirely.
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And? You imply that they are doing something wrong if they don't want to follow your regulations, while you don't even consider the regulations may be bad for crowdfunding. Or maybe you have an ingrained chauvinism thinking that everything coming from USA is superior and should be observed by all other countries. This is how you become a sheep inside your own land, by not questioning your own rules in a healthy way. These regulations are in place to protect us investers (from broken promises). Initial coin offerings promise tokens that supposedly secure a profit/reward/guarantee of benefits. The U.S requires receipts (proof & registration) if you want to sell these securities.
False, not all ICOs promise this. And having some smart contract, say, distributing share of fees in token usage, is the whole point of this tech. Not because they want to be "outlaws", but because regulations are a hindrance, smart contracts are supposed to guarantee execution of contractual clauses without human intervention. So, would you like to go back to live in caves if construction were not regulated? Crowdfunding and shares in form of tokens is a huge way to speed up and integrate economic activities around the globe. A Pakistani guy can fund a startup in Colombia and make profit out of it automatically. Rich investors can fund startups in developing countries and speed up their economies with minimal bureaucracy, thus equating wealth, economic activity around the globe and diminishing poverty, class struggles, mass migration, in sum, increasing peace. This is the potential you agree to shut down if you just leave it to the "wise hands" of bureaucrats. Are ICO's securities? Yes & No (quantum state of superposition)
You have now entered the twighlight zone (Legal Gray Area of Law) where things are never quite what they seem. The only way to navigate this zone, is to strap in, put on your extra dimensional space helmet, and proceed with caution. These are shark infested waters. You'll need an elite fisherman (financial lawyer) to navigate this sea of complexity.
This ''elite fisherman'' is the exact parasite who profits from all the regulations and bullshit. There is nothing "elite" about creating difficulties to sell solutions later on. Does NYC ring a bell? It does not matter if they fit this or that law, act, regulation. Regulations need to adapt to new paradigms, not the contrary, unless you want USA to be a bureaucracy Republic ruled by tech-ignorant lawyers squeezing everything inside their memorized expertise field. Thank you. Any donation received is greatly appreciated! Btc: 1CeBDYB3uaaYZ3bMKTvfEc1EHiskQ8Tdp
Why should we donate something? lol ps: of course we need something as a protection for people to get their money back, to punish scammers, etc. I'm just scared to read how people are willing to give a blank check for "regulation". Ultimately, people should be free and not be prevented of putting their money in whatever they want, and also to launch their product in the economic wilderness and be judged by the crowd. So, regulation to prevent fraud is one thing, regulation just because "this token is like a security" is bull.
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I once ate some bad fish and got really sick for about 3 days. The fact is I didn't go out and tell anybody about it I didn't keep it a secret but I didn't announce it to the world that I'd made some huge mistake. So why exactly are you on here telling everybody about your huge mistake?
LOL, nice try!! Any investment can be a mistake or spot on, even with all the good/bad hints. The thing is I do think ETH is going to surge, why? Big network effect, lots of individual miners, among the best cryptos to mine, nice tech behind it, intelligent leader and researchers, etc. About the lag in the network caused by ICOs, what I think is that this should not be a reason to get scared and sell eth. There was/is a HUGE load of transactions during ICOs, literally billions of tokens moving around, so it is expected that some beforehand unknown problems might appear. Ethereum competitors were never tested like this because they are not even fully working .
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Noone hacks shitcoins over and over again, so that says something. Lots of ethereum wannabes launching their smart contracts not-yet-functional-after-months platforms. That says another something...
It was not ethereum network which was hacked, it was a very specific wallet. Most of it was recovered by white hat h4ck3r5 anyway.
I see there is a ton of people praying for shit news to come and they hope to buy it at 100+ dollars. Why would they want to buy something doomed for any price at all? So, stay strong. IF it falls to that range you know it is a pnd.
Slow also BTC is, just notice that BIP 91 was just a move to not let the coin tank, it was 1800 and with no bottom to be seen. BIP 91 does not solve shit just yet, yet the price bounced back 1k in 24 hours after announcement.
As for smart contracts being hacked, there is the programmer coding them, lots of stupid tokens with stupid coders being launched. Copy and paste scammers and n00bs buying into it. Who cares if one of those is hacked? It is not Vitalik or any core dev coding this shit, they can't control this.
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ICO: Do it yourself (Alexey Antonov, SONM)
PARTICIPATION FEE 8000 roubles / 0.05BTC (1AoJNHAAVi5bfVVdWsJ4dpPHe9ynwXY1py) Who would spend good 140 usd in BTC to attend this? It is like teenagers bragging over loosing virginity to middle age men. Funny that the founders are on conferences speaking about how to raise money in an ICO but not speaking about their actual project or how grid/fog computing will revolutionize the cloud market. Says it all I think.
I thought russians had high IQs, let's see if I was mistaken... at least the rest is more aware of the scam gang this milk sucker, chronoprank and the such are. Never touch an ICO with these people in, enough said.
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Does SONM is a company,first i ve been reading that thay are in Switerland,than SONM was moving to Singapore but thay are all the time in Russia
Soon they will be in the Bahamas, don't worry!
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