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1  Bitcoin / Legal / Re: CoinLenders Lawsuit on: November 25, 2013, 05:17:17 PM
I'm in as well.

I have about 3.4 BTC in CL. I've e-mailed TF and gotten no response.

One note that I'd like to add to those that have settled with TF. You may have settled and agreed to the legalese that he provided. However, if that agreement was based on something he knows to be false, he may very well still be liable. That would be something worth asking an attorney in Australia on.

CrytpoUser01
2  Economy / Lending / Re: CoinLenders Script :: Bitcoin Bank (Borrow+Deposit) Software :: Demo Available on: November 21, 2013, 10:15:51 PM
I've read the stories here and feel sorry for anyone who has lost money/BTC.

Anyway....Some quick background on us:

We, and not (TF or coinlender) are part of a company with an "Australian Credit Providers Licence" (allows us to provide credit/LOANS) and we would like to make the following commentary to those affected or otherwise by the coinlender saga.

We believe the coinlender business has/had merit, with albeit inept execution/security floors.

For this reason we wish to speak to you that have lost funds using this system, to get your reactions to our request/proposition, before any formal commitment from our end.

As an Australian company we feel that if we can offer our assistance then we will do so.

So here are the initial thought/requests to consider/debate/chat about.

1. We would like to request to negotiate with TF to purchase coinlender/TF database/website and all intellectual property/domains etc and take over management of the current loans.
2. The cost to us will be $0, in fact we want $50,000 or 100 BTC from TF, to buy it and manage it from TF.
3. The $50,000 will be used to a) setup a company owning the intellectual property and b) issue shares in the new company to be split among both our company and that of you that lost money/BTC, along with some funds towards manegemnt of the current/new loans.    
2. TF to work with us for up to say 12 months (at no cost) on an ad hoc basis as needed to benefit the site/business. This will include a shareholding to him at the conclusion of 12 months, if we (collectively) so choose to do so based on his 12 months help.
3. Anyone who has lost funds/BTC will be rewarded by holding shares in the company in some way by using the service again (unsure at this point what that will be, but some form of monetary reward for commitment back to the site. You have to commit, make BTC available to receive shares. (unsure how this will work at this point but just a comment for now)
4. We would keep similar functionality and business concept with some required changes.
5. We are to be provided a complete breakdown by TF as to who has lost what amount so that we can make sure those that have been  affected receive a shareholding.
6. Shareholders to receive dividends prorated each year.  


Could go on forever, but in essence, we will take the inherent risk associated with buying a website/IP with a tarnished name with the acceptance of terms to the above by TF (we are negotiable) but more importantly it must be acceptable to the majority of you.

This by no means stops any action by you against TF for lost BTC, however we are trying to help you move forward in the meantime with this proposal/idea/concept.

PS: We personally do not believe TF is/was a scammer, however that is a moot point at this stage, the important thing is to find a solution to move forward that can benefit all past users/ new users and Bitcoin.

Happy to take questions/ ideas/ comments by any of you or TF.


I will second what has already been posted: I don't want shares, I want BTC. I'd be willing to continue to loan my BTC with interest for some more extended period than the 1 month I was utilizing CoinLenders for.

I'd also suggest that TradeFortress is likely not going to agree to give up CoinLenders and take a 50,000 loss. I wouldn't. I know you offering him shares at the end of 12 months. You might consider something now and something later--just to show good faith to him.

Additionally, if you do take over this business and accept the associated outstanding loans, I'd like to request a few items:

1. You provide a framework for a more binding contractual agreement between depositors, debtors, and you. This is designed to make everyone more accountable and accept the appropriate level of risk. This would further legitimize bitcoin.

2. You provide transparency with third party auditing at shareholder requests. Obviously, there are a number of ways where this could be accomplished. I'd like to see regular reports on this. Again, understanding the risk, etc.

3. You provide an appropriate level of communication. TradeFortress has failed at this.

4. You provide a regular security report of the site and regular pen-testing/auditing of the site. Obviously I can't request that the entirety of such report be made public but I do want to know that it is happening and that vulnerabilities and processes are improved.

The above items are clearly expensive in operating costs, but I think it can be done on a time line rand it can be very successful.

I for one, have been utterly disappointed in TradeFortress' clearly bad business. I'd like to request a business plan with more details be posted. Transparency and verification are what I need--I can't imagine anyone disagreeing to that!

3  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: CoinLenders, Inputs.io, Tradefortress (HACK) on: November 19, 2013, 08:51:45 PM
I've got a proposal for U.S. based victims:

Follow this advice:

http://travel.state.gov/travel/cis_pa_tw/cis/cis_4522.html

I'm planning to start that tonight.

For those in other countries, you will likely have a similar kind of agency that I'd suggest you look for and utilize.

I'd like to get this reported and the process started to put a little more pressure on TF to come to the table even for smaller CL deposits.

To DumbFruit:

Would it be possible to ask the country of origin for users wishing to post their balance due here? If someone in respective countries would like to post their appropriate agency and contact information, I imagine that would be helpful to others. I'd be happy to help edit and combine data if you like.

CryptoUser01
4  Economy / Lending / Re: CoinLenders Script :: Bitcoin Bank (Borrow+Deposit) Software :: Demo Available on: November 19, 2013, 08:31:11 PM
This whole thing stinks to me. He's prioritizing higher deposits because that is the liability. The issue is that there may be a lot of small deposits with a large sum of BTC. He's ignoring all of that.

I've e-mailed and heard nothing back.

I'm considering that we start contacting legal authorities on this.

I do believe TF was hacked. I get that. What I don't get is the handling. This hack seems like an excuse to rob everyone and not communicate, etc. It's grossly unfair.

I'm thinking for those in the U.S. we follow this advice:

http://travel.state.gov/travel/cis_pa_tw/cis/cis_4522.html

I intend to start that tonight.

Based on this USD fiat conversion, I would get back about 18% of BTC I put in. The value of BTC is much higher now, I don't want USD back obviously. The question is where did the other 82% go?

If the 4100 coins stolen where 82% of the funds that means that 5000 coins where on deposit.

According to the thread: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=328053.0;topicseen more than 6000 coins where deposited.

Even if I assume that all of the loans won't be paid back (which is, I imagine, typical of a lending service) the numbers do not add up. We are all taking a huge loss and there is no explanation of where that loss goes. The BTC didn't just disappear, someone has it. The hacker has some, the borrowers have some, and TF has some. How is it that the borrowers take the cut and TF walks away with 1000's of BTC worth several 100 thousand. I'm not buying it.

CryptoUser01
5  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: CoinLenders, Inputs.io, Tradefortress (HACK) on: November 18, 2013, 05:35:45 PM
Has anyone considered additional media coverage of this? Perhaps a little extra coverage of what TradeFortress' response or lack there of may encourage him to start looking at this more critically.

6  Economy / Lending / Re: CoinLenders Script :: Bitcoin Bank (Borrow+Deposit) Software :: Demo Available on: November 11, 2013, 08:14:01 PM
Two things;

-TradeFortress owes his customers principal + interest. He can't just pretend interest didn't happen in his calculations.

-If CoinLenders users would like to give up the interest they accrued to Inputs.io users that is their decision when they are paid back, but if TradeFortress does it, that is theft.

DumbFruit,

I agree--it should be principal + interest. I would agree that if the CD is terminated then that user has the right to remove the BTC balance shortly after that. I'd be OK not getting future (not yet earned) interest as long as I can get my BTC back with interest earned at current date. I don't think we can expect him to continue offering the service to the life of a CD based on the current situation.

I do notice my CL balance appears correct based on the fact that the CDs are now terminated. I had 3 roughly 1 week apart. The last one would have ended on 11/28. Each CD is between 1.1 and 1.2 BTC. That being the case, I did not earn the additional ~0.05 BTC.

I guess at this point, we need to get BTC back in a few days time otherwise, yes we should be earning interest again. Further, should we only get partial BTC back, we should continue to earn interest on remaining amount until it is received. We gave loans with interest to CL and CL gave loans to users with higher interest. We don't need to get cut out of the loop unless we get our BTC back.

It seems that so far TradeFortress is trying to do something about this situation. I hope that he learns something from this situation. If he is as young as he claims then I think he has a good future ahead of him if he does the right thing here and works to rectify this.

CryptoUser01

7  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: CoinLenders, Inputs.io, Tradefortress (HACK) on: November 08, 2013, 10:28:28 PM
CoinLenders01:3.42991422:0:U

Thanks Dumbfruit. I originally found that article about sytech the other day and found that very interesting. I'll be interested to see what if anything comes of it. Considering it's going to be a challenge to do forensics on a non-police reported incident and they may not have authority to do so. But maybe they will be able to sway TF to give it a shot.

If there is anything I can do to help, let me know.

Thanks,

CryptoUser01
8  Economy / Lending / Re: CoinLenders Script :: Bitcoin Bank (Borrow+Deposit) Software :: Demo Available on: November 07, 2013, 08:24:18 PM
I had a little over 3.4 in CL. The CDs still show on my page. Mine are spread into 3 CDs about a week apart. I've got one coming due next week. I'll withdraw if I can but somehow I don't think that will happen.

TradeFortress seemed like an upstanding enough person and I started very small and got braver over time. I'm disappointed as it does not seem the promises of security were kept. I hope that some of this can be rectified.

I wonder if there is any police investigation. I noticed this UK based company http://www.sytech-consultants.com/ that claim to do Digital Forensics on bitcoin.

9  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: ReserveBit.com Is managed bitmining wise? on: July 01, 2013, 10:43:29 PM
Well, I sent in a BTC to try it and that was a few days ago. So far I've not heard anything about them setting it up or anything else. I'm going to give it a few more days before I call it a scam--maybe even that is too soon or maybe I'm too easy on them. Either way, I'll post if I hear something back.

10  Economy / Services / Re: pyramining links, let's share them here (1 max post per page!!!) on: May 15, 2013, 10:06:38 AM
http://pyramining.com/referral/t24rqhsg8    2013-05-13 18:34:07 UTC    still active
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11  Economy / Services / Re: pyramining links, let's share them here (1 max post per page!!!) on: May 13, 2013, 06:59:50 PM
http://pyramining.com/referral/t24rqhsg8    2013-05-13 18:34:07 UTC    still active
http://pyramining.com/referral/836dbqpf2    2013-05-10 14:02:55 UTC    still active
12  Economy / Services / Re: pyramining links, let's share them here (1 max post per page!!!) on: May 10, 2013, 03:56:18 PM
Here they are:

http://www.pyramining.com/referral/t23d84asp

http://www.pyramining.com/referral/836dbqpf2

13  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: FeatherCoin - Giveaway on: April 28, 2013, 07:59:57 PM
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14  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: What one aspect of Bitcoin intrigues/fascinates you the most? on: April 28, 2013, 01:06:42 PM
The market psychology is fascinating. I've just been amused at how much manipulation of the market there is and how few people control it. Makes me wonder about other non-crypto markets.
15  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: newbie here need bitparent to adopted me !!! on: April 27, 2013, 04:10:44 PM
Go small at first and build to something bigger. I'm still at the small phase, but I've earned a few hundred dollars in 2 months and still just getting ROI in. Do some math and work out the details of what you want to do in excel it's very helpful. I also invest in multiple coins, bitcoin, litecoin, and now feathercoin. I'm probably going to jump into others as I get my profits coming in from mining etc. Some coins will loose and some will win, you just have to pick reasonable amounts of all of them so that you come out ahead almost no matter what happens.
16  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Next big crypto currency? on: April 27, 2013, 03:12:00 PM
Well Litecoin seems to be doing just fine as it is. Though I think it needs more exchanges as do other crypto's to become more valuable. And really you need to be able to buy something with it directly.
17  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: are there any women interested in bitcoin? on: April 27, 2013, 02:59:16 PM
Cash out your bit coin and take your gf/wife on vacation. Now women like bitcoin.
18  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: mining machine in office on: April 27, 2013, 02:57:34 PM
I'd be careful about mining at work. It's probably not an authorized use of equipment that is not yours to begin with.
19  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Changing Pools on: April 26, 2013, 02:45:35 PM
I think this is to prevent a 51% attack. Say a pool had 51% of mining power and that pool got hacked. BTC would be owned by the hacker then. They could run over a lot of transactions/verifications potentially. That's just not likely though.
20  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: how to get bitcoin? on: April 26, 2013, 01:37:04 PM
I mine them. I've bought from Coinbase as well.
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