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I like the idea. Hopefully the members of this board won't bash this like they do any other closed software lol.
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op made the classic mistake of feeding the trolls.
I just realized that. |
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Your right. I couldn't care less what you guys think about the status of my program being closed or open source. It's closed. And it's not against ANY rules. So get out. Without a hosting company, this whole site as well as forum cannot exist where it is. And if someone manages to get it off of a hosting company, an ISP would manage it on the internet.
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Furthermore, rarlabs started from the ground up. You probably weren't even alive since then by looking at your perspective of speech. I was, i knew the difficult process winrar had to go through to just get accepted because of people like you. If you want to act tough, do it elsewhere. Get out of my thread. What, do you want to see a birth certificate to prove that I was around then? Will the short-form certificate suffice, or are you going to go all birther on me and demand a long-form copy?  Your claim isn't worth the time. It's MY thread because I created it. And without me, there would be no thread of this name and value. Sure, the hosting company owns the space it's put on, but as it hasn't been deleted yet, it seems that ownership is still legitimate. To anyone owning a thread it's a valid reason that the thread they made is theirs. |
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Take weeks? You sir need to leave this thread, you clearly don't belong if your making irrational assumptions. If you like that winGadget then use it.
Your ability to imitate every blowhard that ever lived is astounding. The sole fact that anyone from this forum is going to bash a close source program JUST because there are open sourced programs makes you an ignorant prick by definition.
LOL. You need to stop taking shit personally. It prevents you from listening and perhaps learning something. Culture trumps features. There's plenty of you opportunists looking to drink the blood of this community. You can call us culturally conservative if you like. I don't need anyone of you paramaniacs to even be in this thread. Your all lucky I can't stop certain people from coming in this thread because so far, only like 2-3 of you have actually defended my point versus the 20 other people who downloaded my app without complaining versus the ignorant pricks that rather claim my code as malicious.
No one claimed it was. They simply said we have a filter against abusers and we'll happily go elsewhere. We are not driven by entertainment, distractions, ignorance of our environment. We care more about our culture than we do about petty product features. We will use less featured software if it promotes our culture. Deal with it. Stop assuming you deserve anything. All the time you or anyone spends on a product is nothing more than a bet, a bet that people give a shit about your product. Because if they don't give a shit, you bet that they might like it is irrelevant and wasted. There is more closed source than open source. Now get out of my thread, I don't need you to progress what i'm doing.
And there's more Bonzo Buddy shit than there is productive software. I don't use it. And the thread exists in our forum. You're a guest just like the rest of us douchebag. The poker system is almost complete.
Translation: "Den I pick up some escort ladies in Vegas. Pahrtee down, Mon!" I'm integrating Bitcoins,Bitpennies,Play bitcoins,Play bitpennies.
You're trading numbers between files. Genius. /sarcasm Multiple converters to allow money deposits for both money and bitcoins as well as some other planned currencies.
Without a culture behind them, they're a flash in the pan. We move faster than you do. Come to think of it the more you tell us, the less source code we need, but go on. Your trolling days are over. I'm also going to make a web interface so the maniacs of the internet can successfully eradicate me stealing wallet.dat's and bitcoins and all that jazz. But that's not it's main purpose. It would allow a user to configure their whole profile without having the program to run.
What again? You can write HTML? LOL. Guys bring this guy your virgin daughters to sacrifice on his e-altar. He's got teh HTMLs! I'm also making the worlds first reverse-connect poker system aswell, which will allow you to host your own tables (as servers on ports) + charge fees  . Tournaments will take place within the system to allow free users with no deposit at all to make bitcoins and bitpennies. If that screams malicious then i'm probably in the wrong area of the internet. First, you keep using that word. I don't think it means what you think it means. Wow, I can see that you analyze things individually without actually taking into account my overall point. The only people being malicious right now, is YOU, in my thread. gtfo. btw. your completely misguided beyond repair. You might need to leave the internet and read a book. |
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I have every right to close source software I make just like anyone else. Everyone here, is just way too paranoid to realize they all use closed source software. People use WinRAR almost every day. It does a simple task of compressing a file JUST like WinAce and WinZIP which already come with windows. WinRAR has smaller functions that are widespread. Now tell me an open source program that kept it's same support team for over 2 years, plus made enough income to actually make it worth the time minus any donations. You need to lose your illusions of grandeur. First you compared yourself to Microsoft and Apple (hahaha), and now you've "settled" for WinRAR. WinRAR, which has a cumulative number of hundreds of millions (if not billions) of downloads, has been around for nearly two decades, and is backed by a multi-million-dollar company. You and Rarlab are nothing alike. Please understand that. I'm a Free Software guy. I love programs with available source code because, even if I don't ever personally inspect them, others have. But I'm not an ideologue. I run proprietary software too, including, yes, you guessed it, WinRAR. But WinRAR has earned a bit of trust in my regard. And would I download a new closed source tool by Microsoft if I thought it was useful? Yes, I would. Would I download a new closed source tool from a complete unknown that would have the potential to completely wipe out all of my Bitcoin holdings? No, I wouldn't. FFS guy, you are not Microsoft, you are not Apple, you are not Rarlab, you are just some random guy on the Internet releasing software in an area with a high potential for risk and with an already existing history of fraud. You haven't earned anyone's trust. And yet you don't understand at all why people might want to see the source so they can make an evaluation for themselves of the software? Get over yourself. You see there's smart enthusiasts. And than there are blind run-off-the-mill pricks like you. I'm not comparing ME to microsoft or apple or anyone else. I'm comparing the software rights if you payed ANY attention to any of this thread instead of just reading a post you could reply most efficiently to with your slim knowledge of simple acrovision. The friggin idea of having closed source is my argument. I'm comparing my software to winrar because they are both closed source. What do you think winrar was automatically insanely more popular than winzip as SOON as it came out? Your pretty blind if all you base your downloading on is popular companies that make useful software. I know MANY software that smashes certain programs made by big companies and is made by a small developer, or just a guy that wants something done for themselves and spread it out. Do you think if a prick like you were around when the devs of WinRAR were just start out there would even be any commercial WinRAR product? I thought not. The basic idea of a developer starting somewhere is where you lack your obvious reasoning. The plain fact that you think i'm comparing myself, ME, one person, to commercial companies makes you look completely stupid. There is absolutely NO hint at that if you read all of my posts in this thread. Furthermore, rarlabs started from the ground up. You probably weren't even alive since then by looking at your perspective of speech. I was, i knew the difficult process winrar had to go through to just get accepted because of people like you. If you want to act tough, do it elsewhere. Get out of my thread. |
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If someone is so bent on the intent that this program has malicious code, then you guys know where to find Olly. Learn assembly and start exploring the code. Specifically for strings like wallet.dat.
When you don't find the malicious code, then come back and of course apologize to the developer.
I'm not sure if you're being serious, but assuming it was obfuscated even to a simple degree it would likely take weeks to disassemble and follow through the code to a degree you could be sure of what it does. Personally if I particularly wanted the functions I'd rather spend a day and write my own version. There's already a Javascript based Windows gadget floating around that's very easy to verify. Take weeks? You sir need to leave this thread, you clearly don't belong if your making irrational assumptions. If you like that winGadget then use it. The sole fact that anyone from this forum is going to bash a close source program JUST because there are open sourced programs makes you an ignorant prick by definition. I don't need anyone of you paramaniacs to even be in this thread. Your all lucky I can't stop certain people from coming in this thread because so far, only like 2-3 of you have actually defended my point versus the 20 other people who downloaded my app without complaining versus the ignorant pricks that rather claim my code as malicious. If you REALLY think it's malicious based on the fact that I simply decide to continue to make software in closed source you all need to open your eyes. There is more closed source than open source. Now get out of my thread, I don't need you to progress what i'm doing. //On a side note (to the people that read my posts + support my opinion, yeah, all two of you), The poker system is almost complete. I'm integrating Bitcoins,Bitpennies,Play bitcoins,Play bitpennies. Multiple converters to allow money deposits for both money and bitcoins as well as some other planned currencies. I'm also going to make a web interface so the maniacs of the internet can successfully eradicate me stealing wallet.dat's and bitcoins and all that jazz. But that's not it's main purpose. It would allow a user to configure their whole profile without having the program to run. I'm also making the worlds first reverse-connect poker system aswell, which will allow you to host your own tables (as servers on ports) + charge fees . Tournaments will take place within the system to allow free users with no deposit at all to make bitcoins and bitpennies. If that screams malicious then i'm probably in the wrong area of the internet. |
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lol.
I'm designing the worlds first bitcoin powered poker system. Let's hope noone beats me to it. And I'm going to seriously laugh at who ever says to open source THAT.
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Updated the download link. Some people couldn't download the first version.
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Closed source makes money. Doesn't intrigue corruption, and it's more profitable in many other ways.
I'm stuck on this bullshit because noone on this board would leave my thread alone about open source. I could careless about it.
Infact, i've gotten more downloads of this program in particular from users other than this forum board. So it that's a small display margin for how corrupting you fools are. You strive to complain and defend your own opinions when i'm not even here to listen to it. I'm here to provide a program to the people who use it. If none of you realized by now, atleast 10 people downloaded it from this board. Aside from the pricks who are arguing, some people on this board didn't care that it was open source. And 10 downloads can provide enough feedback for something as small as this. So closed source IS working for me. If you want to do it open sourced, then by all means. But don't try to infuse your opinion into mine by invalidating my own experience.
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You definitely misunderstood the purpose of my opinion.
Whatever, it's clear all of you are stuck on this open world idea because your scared. Quite frankly I don't care what your reason is for me to make it open source. I don't agree, and I won't do it.
It's not going to happen. So either leave this thread while keeping your sanity intact or stay here and keep ranting about open source and it's benefits to someone that refuses to listen. Keep my software closed source has worked for me in the past, and it shall in the future.
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I'm not telling anyone to take risks nor endanger their wallet. I specifically said, if you don't trust this, don't use it. It's a simple rule.
I have every right to close source software I make just like anyone else. Everyone here, is just way too paranoid to realize they all use closed source software. People use WinRAR almost every day. It does a simple task of compressing a file JUST like WinAce and WinZIP which already come with windows. WinRAR has smaller functions that are widespread. Now tell me an open source program that kept it's same support team for over 2 years, plus made enough income to actually make it worth the time minus any donations.
Open source software, is for paranoid users. Any skilled programmer, can write their own program exactly like any existing program without the need to use templates from an available open source program. If a developer wanted to do better with a program, they would restart from scratch, instead of learn a different programmers perspective on the same problems. It's way too pointless, and everyone that supports open source is completely paranoid and weird beyond that fact.
Sure there are some successful open source software like Linux, and mods like Ubuntu and wordpress and all that jazz. Theres a reason why a person would use a closed source program compared to a open source program. I'd never use wordpress as a blogging system, people get exploited almost everyday. I'd never use something free like phpbb, less support, less functions, less popularity in the long run. In restrospect, vBulletin would take the cake as most popular board system, not for being free like SMF or phpbb but because it's closed source (at retail), it's massive support, and it's explosion of community involvement.
For open source I just cannot see a REAL use for it to pay off the time you spend on it. Making a closed source program FREE, already has it's own ups and downs, but open source is just like feeding kids different templates to mooch off of. Now i'm not being selfish, because I AM entitled to my own work, I don't mind sharing it. I would gladly make anything I write open source if I wasn't so bent on proving that there's no real change for the end-user, rather only other developers would make use of the fact that it's open source.
But that's where things are different. I'm not making programs for programmers. I'm making programs for users. Users, that don't want to bother with code, with complicated tasks, with monotonous details. Users, that don't care whether or not it's open source, they base their choice of software on quality. Not how it is open source. It's just not practical in the real world. Paranoia also is nothing but a mental block. It ends nowhere. Just like open source.
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This application does NOT need admin rights on any OS. There fore it cannot utilize any port access, or send any data. For Windows, specifically windows 7 which this program was designed for, it can do nothign but pull data TO the client program.
Ummm, do you know how HTTP works? To 'pull' data you need to send a request that can and usually does include other data like query strings, cookies and POST data that can be used to send other data like the contents of wallet.dat. You've pointed out that it can be sandboxed, it's a great idea for some applications and I often use virtual machines for that reason, but nobody is going to bother for the sake of something that can be easily scripted or is only a browser refresh away. To reiterate, this only pulls API data from either pools. And if you need to SEND/POST any data to the web, from a NATIVE application, it requires Administration. Just try it on win7. The fact that noone would bother is just my point exactly. So I don't know what the fuss is about making this open source. It's a simple program that just does things faster than opening a browser window and loading a whole webpage or sifting through an API page. Just tried it with wget on a Windows 7 machine without admin and without installing (just copied and ran from a command line) and when I requested a random page like xxxyyyyzzz was able to see the failed request on the server, which is the equivalent of transmitting data. Other than Windows firewall messages I've never seen any native apps I've written using the winsock API need administrative privileges. If you actually decompiled my application you would know it doesn't use winsock as a normal connection to pull the API. It's a custom SSL approach that encrypts the connection and passes it to winsock AFTER it's been generated, then uses winsock to pass it back. Sort of like a boomerang effect but without a big time delay that windows socket procedures are used too. I know it doesn't make sense to encrypt the connection for a simple API call, but I like to go that extra mile so nothing is too feesable. Ofcourse, any http analyzer could still see the get/port in plain text, but most software don't run off of ring0 like some debugger/analyzers do. |
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This application does NOT need admin rights on any OS. There fore it cannot utilize any port access, or send any data. For Windows, specifically windows 7 which this program was designed for, it can do nothign but pull data TO the client program.
Ummm, do you know how HTTP works? To 'pull' data you need to send a request that can and usually does include other data like query strings, cookies and POST data that can be used to send other data like the contents of wallet.dat. You've pointed out that it can be sandboxed, it's a great idea for some applications and I often use virtual machines for that reason, but nobody is going to bother for the sake of something that can be easily scripted or is only a browser refresh away. To reiterate, this only pulls API data from either pools. And if you need to SEND/POST any data to the web, from a NATIVE application, it requires Administration. Just try it on win7. The fact that noone would bother is just my point exactly. So I don't know what the fuss is about making this open source. It's a simple program that just does things faster than opening a browser window and loading a whole webpage or sifting through an API page. |
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And you have done nothing but completely ignore our legitimate concerns. Goodbye.
Unlike you, i've addressed everyones opinion with my own reasoning. And still noone has proven a real need to make this program open source. |
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Are you really that much of an asshole in real life?
I do believe I have offended noone. Rather, everyone has offended my own opinion over there own based on the sole ease of everyone being an open source freak on this board. I may come off as an asshole, but only to get my point across. So far, someone has yet to invalidate my opinion. |
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No, what I was trying to convey is that sandboxing is counterintuitive. The purpose of running your application would be to place it on my desktop. If I have to sandbox it in a VM, it serves no useful purpose anymore, i.e. I'd have to window it, which would be the same value to me as simply hitting the pool's status page directly from within a web browser.
Pardon me if i'm not mistaken, but it doesn't look like you know the difference between sandboxing and vm. Let's make it a little more clear. A vm (virtual machine) would run the app within a controlled os environment. While a sandbox wrapped application, modifies the actual executable to allow it to run within the same environment but with a controlled margin. Ever heard of portable versions of software? Take a look http://www.vmware.com/products/thinapp/overview.html. You can HAVE the application right on your desktop, you can run it like normal, you don't give it any permission whatsoever to modify anything on the host. If that doesn't float your boat, ever heard of Sandboxie? http://www.sandboxie.com/ What's so counterintuitive? Please research what your talking about, or ask for clarification before making your conclusion. I could even provide pre-sandboxed versions, but again that is far from the point. Even if I gave the end user the option for it to be impossible for the application to be malicious, someone will find something to say and bash it, like for example, me not having enough rep, or being only registered for a couple days. Having said that, I do realize how new I am to this board, but I reiterate, i'm not new to the internet. I practically grew up in it. All I asked for were some people to test it, tell me what could be better, and give me more ideas. I didn't ask someone to give me tips on how open my software should be (low-end or not). And lol @ that desktop gadget. It's a nice piece of work. Oh boy, if gadgets were ever closed source or even encrypted for that matter, damn anyone on this board wouldn't even touch a single gadget. Even with the ones that come with windows lol. Still use Internet Explorer? well you must have at some point to get a new browser, but wait. Why would anyone use a closed source application? It could steal my wallet.dat, oh well, guess no exploring the internet for me. I might as well not even get windows because of the fact that it's closed source and I have NO idea what's going on behind the scenes, so I won't pay 300 bucks to grab a genuine copy. Instead, i'll move to Ubuntu, because that's open source, and i'm an end-user, I REALLY need full access to everything because it makes me feel more secure. Or better yet, I should probably close my bank accounts, paypal accounts, even e-mail accounts. Holy smokes, who knows where my information goes once it leaves my computer. PS. Is it even safe for me to use this bulletinboard system? hey, it's free right? but I can't edit it locally, or on client side. What if the database isn't even using hashs for passwords? What if it's already been modified for malicious use? /end sarcastic user of this board |
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Security is necessary since we are dealing with very liquid assets. However, "sandboxing" is nontrivial in this case. If I give you access to my mining accounts, you can redirect my payout. I have to watch your API usage to ensure you don't do something I don't approve of. Stripping out personal information and dumping it on github/gitorious IS trivial. I can understand not wanting to be responsible for maintaining an open source project, but no one is asking you to do that. However, you may just find some pull requests for features on your TODO. Or not, but at least people can read through it and be convinced it is safe. If it's style you're worried about, don't be. It's practically impossible to write clean code on the first go. Any good programmer will understand that.
I know what your saying, but most of these users are making it seem as if I MUST make it open source JUST to get them to use it. I don't see that as anytype of fair, compared to the others that take that same risk and still use closed source programs. |
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You're severely misguided, and nobody is going to use your program in a sandbox, that defeats the whole purpose. Get real.
defeats the whole purpose of what? Making it open source. Wow. Profound. Why can't anyone just accept that I don't want it open source just to satisfy the fact that I have no rep on this forum. That's just sickening. Let's get real then. In reality, it's not like someone would care enough about this program to use its source to make it a million times better. People on this board want it to be open source, so they can trust it as the code can be easily sifted through and taken. In my opinion, if security was the ONLY issue here, between open source and close source, then sandboxing would actually BE a good idea. If noone would sandbox it, then they are not interested in it's security. So far noone has addressed exactly what i'm saying with a smart rebuttle. All I see, is "your not relevant","you don't make sense","make it open source","you have no rep","we can't trust you". Aside from security, theres no reason to FORCE me to make this open source for the slim chance of someone wanting to modify it. Forget it. I'll update this app because I use it myself sometimes. but this board is full of pricks. |
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