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441  Bitcoin / Project Development / Re: GBSB - a new way to GET and SPEND bitcoins on: June 05, 2013, 12:05:31 AM
I wouldn't say necessary but,
1. getting bitcoins is quite a bit of work
2. Getting it usually has some fee associated
3. Things should be cheaper in bitcoin since no cc fees and fraud to deal with
4. It would being more people into bitcoin.
    a. For example, people who came in during the bubble and since left, can use their gox account to acquire bitcoins at a 0.6% fee, and spend it at amazon for a net 4.4% discount.
    b. Slickdeals users often go out of their way to get the best deal possible. Hot deal posts often often say "oh btw, use x service for a 3% extra cash back." Now they can say, "oh btw, save 5% if you pay in bitcoin." Furthermore, this deal went front page few days ago. SD is a diverse community and definitely there are those who thinks something is wrong with fiat. People here might also be interested: http://slickdeals.net/f/6066316-5x-2013-1oz-Silver-Eagles-for-134-shipped-via-eBay-26-per-coin? 

That makes sense, and I see where it could potentially drive BTC adoption in these "deal" communities. Looking forward to testing!
442  Economy / Securities / Re: S.DICE - SatoshiDICE 100% Dividend-Paying Asset on MPEx on: June 04, 2013, 11:19:25 PM
Am I the only one that finds this thread to be quite comical?

On the one hand, we have tons of newbie accounts (85% likely to be puppets, but still) complaining that SD has been a poorly run and terrible overall investment.

On the other hand, we have people who recognize the difficulties of running a business and praise Erik for the work he's put in so far. I concur with this group, and I can only imagine some of the hardships Erik is encountering, both on legal and financial fronts as he grows the business.

It seems, however, that the first group doesn't quite understand A) how businesses are run, B) how market conditions (including both currency fluctuations and competition) can influence share price, and C) that achieving 20%+ annual ROI is better than just about any other investment you'll be able to find (either in the "real world" or Bitcoin).

Sooo...remind me again why Erik should have to answer to a bunch of trolling, butt-hurt children who are angry because they haven't made millions off of SD in the past 3 months?

The tone of some of these posts is certainly off putting, and some of the participants are obviously immature, but that doesn't mean there aren't real questions to be answered. I'm sure most CEO's don't especially like being called out on the carpet during their annual meetings either, but when you are an adult, and you handle other people's money, you have to expect it, and handle it professionally.

There is an incredible lack of transparency and communication in these BTC ventures, and while we all knew that going in, it certainly doesn't mean we shouldn't press for more disclosure. And of course some investors don't understand how the businesses is run; they have invested their money to purchase the benefit of someone else's expertise.

Your attitude seems to be that people who've invested should have no right to ask questions, because, well darn, just look at that return. I don't know when you bought your shares, but there are obviously many who haven't seen 20% this year. But that's beside the point anyway, as there is no inverse relationship between profit and disclosure.

Bottom line: if you communicate plans and challenges in a timely, professional manner, you have far less confusion and discord. That should be as self evident as the absurdity of appointing someone with the disposition of Triumph the insult dog to speak on behalf of the company.



443  Economy / Securities / Re: S.DICE - SatoshiDICE Only Asset on MPEx on: June 04, 2013, 10:35:54 PM
So you joined last month and things are already obvious to "us", by which us you denote you and all the mice in your pocket(s)?

Well, judging by the rather jaundiced condition of your ignore button, I don't think it's just me and my mice over here.

You just go on spouting nonsense about how the rest of us with real, actual, assets evaluate investments. It's a nice complement to the incredibly effective PR 2.0 you've introduced to the Internets.

Seriously, comparing what you do to public relations is like comparing Costco potato salad to Pommes Dauphinoise.
444  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer - MtGoxUSD wall movement tracker - Hardcore on: June 04, 2013, 07:10:25 PM
Why did they wait 2 years to shut down liberty reserve? It takes time to build a case.

If that was their plan, they probably wouldn't have telegraphed it by seizing only their US accounts, thereby giving them time to move funds and destroy evidence.

I don't think Mt. Gox will be shut down, but I do not like that they have not even addressed the issue, and I won't risk funds with them until there is some clarity around their position.

As for Bitcoin itself, anything that happens to Mt. Gox will be a temporary setback. New, compliant exchanges are opening and will continue to open.
445  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Ebay - Important on: June 04, 2013, 05:29:28 PM
How about giving Amazon Marketplace a shot? I see BTC related items for sale over there.
446  Economy / Speculation / Re: Online Payment Systems Have Been Decimated on: June 04, 2013, 05:04:19 PM
How are people not making the switch? Is it because all the exchangers are dead? When the wires suddenly start clearing, will the Bitcoin price go on some crazy jump upwards? Or are people just freaked out of online payments entirely and are leaving?

Heavy users are probably still reeling from the loss of their assets. It will take time for the uncertainty to clear, but I think people will eventually migrate to Bitcoin, especially if we continue to experience lower volatility.

I don't believe the USG has any intention of banning the use of Bitcoin, but they obviously intend to impose KYC and AML rules at the points of exchange. Exchanges have always been the weak links, but many are getting their houses in order, and new, compliant, exchanges will come online. In addition, there will always be ways to get money in and out of Bitcoin outside of the professional exchanges (OTC, LocalBitcoins, etc.) for people requiring some semblance of anonymity.
447  Bitcoin / Project Development / Re: GBSB - a new way to GET and SPEND bitcoins on: June 04, 2013, 04:23:32 PM
Neat idea!

Do you think it's necessary to offer a discount to BTC sellers since this service allows them to use their coins somewhat anonymously without any conversion / transfer fees?

Anyway, I have a Prime membership and am a bit of an Amazon junky, so I'd be happy to help you test.
448  Bitcoin / Project Development / Re: Branded Bitcoin Tablet Devices on: June 04, 2013, 04:04:09 PM
I was thinking about the need for a Tor Tablet, with a bitcoin wallet, on a secure O/S or at least configured to be as secure as you can get on a consumer-level device.   This would be for the person who simply wants a device for use with Tor that is completely separate from anything else ... i.e., so they don't need to install Tor on a laptop or desktop or other mobile / tablet / etc.

This is a fantastic idea and I would definitely purchase one.

I don't really see a big market for a "branded" regular tablet because most of us probably have one or more already. I could see a market for a Bitcoin branded case / cover though, and I'd probably purchase something like that too as a conversation starter.

P.S. I'd be interested in discussing an investment in these two ideas as well.
449  Economy / Speculation / Re: Nothing to do with Bitcoin, everything to do with Bitcoin on: June 03, 2013, 10:24:36 PM

Really? Seems to me Bitcoin has a huge visibility compared to it's market size.

Does "hearing about it" really equate to "visibility" as an investment opportunity? Most of my relatives who watch the nightly news have heard about it too, but none of them have any visibility into it's potential as an investment or even basic usefulness. :-)
450  Economy / Speculation / Re: Here comes the hell-storm... Massive cash-in... on: June 03, 2013, 08:04:23 PM
You appear to be making assumptions about the tax jurisdiction the person is subject to.  Perhaps it is a jurisdiction without capital gains tax.

If there was a jurisdictional assumption, it was not made by me, but implicit in the post I was responding to. I was just pointing out that capital gains tax considerations wouldn't influence the strategy as described.

451  Economy / Service Announcements / Re: [ANN] Tangible Cryptography suspends Bitcoin related transactions on: June 03, 2013, 07:42:48 PM


I will be dumbfounded if this decision is not reversed. If these bad decisions are allowed to stand it will set a precedent for future bad decisions regarding bitcoin.


I agree. If it comes down to it, and we need to set up a defense fund I will be happy to donate.

Happy to donate as well, but I don't think it will go that far.

Most state money transmission laws are concerned primarily with protecting the public from people of low character running off with funds, as opposed to the Feds, who are interested in making sure no one moves a penny without "proper oversight." Once OP's attorney makes it clear that he is simply purchasing virtual goods, I bet he'll be right back to business.

The vile worm who made the complaint obviously struggles for a reason to exist. He should do the noble thing and reduce his oxygen consumption by 100%.

452  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer - MtGoxUSD wall movement tracker - Hardcore on: June 02, 2013, 06:51:25 PM

Well there's this tracker until it comes back online: http://bitcoinwisdom.com/

Thanks for that. Haven't come across that one.
453  Economy / Currency exchange / Re: [WTS] 60 BTC for cash person to person around Albany NY on: June 02, 2013, 05:55:02 PM
Cool, I'll send you a message when I'm in Albany. I'm always buying so as long as it's enough to get me up off the couch Smiley I'll take whatever you have left.
454  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Service Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Free profit/loss portfolio manager for Bitcoins and all other digital currencies on: June 02, 2013, 05:37:30 PM
I wrote up a project for my programmer to create something like this, but I don't think it's going to be necessary thanks to your work.

I'll spend more time with it this week, but so far I'm really impressed. Great job!
455  Economy / Speculation / Re: Here comes the hell-storm... Massive cash-in... on: June 02, 2013, 05:00:04 PM
This is incorrect, as MTGox makes international payments you just need an IBC in the Seychelles linked to an offshore bank account. Providing you're not suspected under anti-terrorism charges there is very little the state can do. I believe wealthy people interested in Bitcoin would have this well under wraps as the nature of Bitcoin itself is very tax avoidy.

LOL, OK kiddo. You've got it all figured out.
456  Economy / Speculation / Re: Here comes the hell-storm... Massive cash-in... on: June 02, 2013, 04:14:59 PM
Yes, there could have been somebody with $3 million in bitcoin perfectly happy in cashing it all out to Fiat and paying 20% capital gains tax or whatever, but more likely is somebody deliberately trying to move the price to get their coins back cheaper.

Just a minor point... capital gains taxes would be due on his/her profit even if the coins were bought back at a cheaper price immediately after. Capital gains are taxed any time a gain is realized (converted to USD). The only time the outcome of a sale is not immediately recognized for tax purposes is in the case of a capital loss, which is considered a wash sale if a substantially similar asset is purchased within 30 days (before or after) the sale.

tl:dr If he sold at a profit, he owed tax regardless of his strategy.

buying back lower is a ridiculous statement. who pays capital gains on bitcoins?

People who don't want to go to jail. If you think you can avoid taxes on sums this large you are in for a rude awakening.
457  Economy / Currency exchange / Re: [WTS] 48,000 XRP [SOLD] on: June 02, 2013, 02:31:12 PM
Thanks for the smooth transaction!
458  Economy / Currency exchange / Re: [WTS] 60 BTC for cash person to person around Albany NY on: June 02, 2013, 04:56:03 AM
computerguy, I'm going to be in Albany for Father's Day (16th) and a couple days after. If you haven't sold by then, I'll take all 60 at 4% under Mt. Gox.

Edit: Be happy to meet you with cash.
459  Economy / Securities / Re: S.DICE - SatoshiDICE 100% Dividend-Paying Asset on MPEx on: June 01, 2013, 08:38:38 PM
You do realize that if measured in a more stable store of value like USD or gold, SD's earnings have consistently increased over time, despite hordes of competitors, despite PR smear campaigns, and despite now a US blockage.

This is precisely the problem with all BTC denominated assets, as it can trip up even sophisticated investors who aren't familiar with currency risk. You might head off some of the criticism if you included reference currency statistics in footnotes to the monthly reports. I realize that including fiat based statistics might raise ideological objections, but the fact is, SD is not really a pure BTC play because betting is highly influenced by exchange rates.

Adding more frequent updates about progress toward the new site design and features would probably also reassure investors that the captain is still at the helm. The single post you made above is more forthright and reassuring than anything put out by the various PR agents involved.

For me, SD is a buy at these prices, but there is room for improvement with regard to shareholder communication.
460  Economy / Securities / Re: S.DICE - SatoshiDICE Only Asset on MPEx on: June 01, 2013, 07:58:41 PM
From my (limited) experience and from what I could get together eavesdropping on MPEx people, generally speaking investing works thusly: optimal chunks are decided (we want 1%, 0.1%, 10% of this company for strategic investors, we want 1%, 0.1%, 10% of our capital in this company for everyone else). This process is based on some sort of fundamental considerations, into which price (current or historical) does not figure. The trades are then executed (there may be some timing skulduggery involved here) and the desired positions entered. This situation continues until a new decision as to the optimal chunks is made (perhaps on a yearly review), after which more trades are executed to attain the new desired position.

I'm not saying it's positive necessarily, I'm not really discussing that angle. Just trying to make the point that not everybody is as last price driven as the average forum user - in a probably doomed attempt to restore some balance to the discussion. And when I say "not everybody" what I really mean is "no actual investor".

Perhaps it is your "limited experience," or perhaps your spinning and dissembling have reached new levels of absurdity.

Of course price is considered when making ANY investment; it's integral to even the most basic calculations related to expected return on capital, such as net present value or internal rate of return. You must have started eavesdropping too late in those conversations you overheard because these analyses are done prior to making decisions about how to allocate capital.

It's painfully obvious to all of us lowly forum users, who aren't "actual investors," that you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. I'm sure it's standard PR procedure to apologize when you've needlessly and erroneously insulted people evaluating an asset you purport to represent.
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