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21  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Why Bitcoin is doomed to fail, and there's nothing you can do about it. on: September 22, 2014, 01:29:29 AM
You are discussing the hypothetical plan with which bitcoin was created. ASICs have proven this to be an abysmal failure. Bitcoin is not and never will be free from such centralization, as ASICs make it far too easy to centralize.
Even if you could make an asic resistant algorithm for an alt coin, giant government funded computational center can easily overcome it, especially with the use of violence to coerce any private competition into cowtowing to their demands

Mining is dead. POW is an efficient consensus mechanism.
How is this in any way a response to ANYTHING I have said?

Also, POW = mining. Did you perhaps mean POS?
http://majesti.co/cryptonerd/crypto-terminology-101-pospow-part-4/

mining is the process of using POW to secure the network, for a preset amount of time (as dictated by the coin protocol on creation) it will also generate new coins for those securing the coins. Decades from now the POW protocol of bitcoin will stop issuing new coins and a new term other than mining would need to be made. But that doesn't change the fact that bitcoin is POW and it is extremely susceptible to centralization

*inefficient
22  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Why Bitcoin is doomed to fail, and there's nothing you can do about it. on: September 21, 2014, 12:06:21 AM
1. IT'S A DECENTRALIZED CURRENCY

Does this even require any explaining? Do you honestly think that the current financial system that controls Trillions of dollars in the current global economy, is going to give up their power to some guy Guatemala because he ran he's 1990's computer the first year of Bitcoin.


Yes, because for the first time in history wealth cannot be seized at gunpoint. Being that governments and their cronies legitimate their rule through force and coercion, they will be rendered impotent by the incorruptible nature of block chain technology. The 1%, whether free market entrepreneurs or political entrepreneurs, will always look for the best safe havens from government seizure. Block chain tech provides the most efficient solution for everyone.

You are discussing the hypothetical plan with which bitcoin was created. ASICs have proven this to be an abysmal failure. Bitcoin is not and never will be free from such centralization, as ASICs make it far too easy to centralize.
Even if you could make an asic resistant algorithm for an alt coin, giant government funded computational center can easily overcome it, especially with the use of violence to coerce any private competition into cowtowing to their demands

Mining is dead. POW is an efficient consensus mechanism.
23  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Why Bitcoin is doomed to fail, and there's nothing you can do about it. on: September 20, 2014, 08:02:43 PM
1. IT'S A DECENTRALIZED CURRENCY

Does this even require any explaining? Do you honestly think that the current financial system that controls Trillions of dollars in the current global economy, is going to give up their power to some guy Guatemala because he ran he's 1990's computer the first year of Bitcoin.


Yes, because for the first time in history wealth cannot be seized at gunpoint. Being that governments and their cronies legitimate their rule through force and coercion, they will be rendered impotent by the incorruptible nature of block chain technology. The 1%, whether free market entrepreneurs or political entrepreneurs, will always look for the best safe havens from government seizure. Block chain tech provides the most efficient solution for everyone.

2. CENTRALIZED MAIN DEVELOPMENT

Basically the “official” releases come from the Bitcoin Foundation. The development is pretty much centralized. Even if people fix everything wrong with Bitcoin, the foundation makes the final decision on what to include in it's next version on it's own priorities. This is basically all run by “Gavin” who caused Satoshi to disappear after he decided to meet with the CIA. The same guy who has not addressed any of the issues going to be discussed below for the whole time he has been in control. Whether by accident or on purpose is not the point. The point is the main trusted Bitcoin client is controlled by one entity, and everything they say, do, or don't do goes.

I agree that bitcoins development is both too centralized and too conservative at this point. There are better solutions than bitcoin and I believe that the network effect is dwindling.

3. FLAWED ARCHITECTURE

Size

11 GB today.
100 GB 1.5 years from now
1 TB 3 years from now
10 TB 4.5 years from now
100 TB 6 years from now
1 PB 7.5 years from now
10 PB 9 years from now
100 PB 10.5 years from now

You think average people will store a 100TB worth of data? No. The solution cut the blockchain into pieces and store the whole blockchain only on specialized nodes, kind of defeats the purpose of decentralized than doesn’t it?


Thats the point of light weight clients. You don't need millions of full nodes to perform the redundant task of storing transactions. You just need a fair amount of trusted full nodes.


Double Spends

Double spends are already occurring, and have occurred since over 1.5 years ago, and it will only get worst as time goes on, and bigger merchants and higher ticket items come online the then you will really see the “bad pool operators” start to take advantage of this.

Nobody is going to double spend on a cup of coffee, nobody is going to commit fraud for small amounts, well at least not in person, but they will for big ticket items.

There are proof of stake solutions, such as Delegated Proof of Stake (DPoS), which make double spending almost impossible.

Slow Speed

Waiting for a transaction to fully confirm, is not feasible for day to day transactions. Yes let's hear the Credit Cards take 180 day confirms. One no they don't they confirm instantly, the money is just on hold for 90-180 days if the merchant sells a crappy product and refuses to honor warranty or remedy the issue. If it's fraud, say someone uses someone else card to buy something, the money does not come out of the merchants account, the credit card company takes the hit. Secondly, most important the buyer pays and gets his goods immediately, unlike Bitcoin where they have to wait for a few confirmations to be sure.

Delegated Proof of Stake allows for secure transactions of 10 seconds and under which is why BitShares X can function as an asset exchange comparable to centralized crypto exchanges.

DPoS has also been proven to work as efficiently and securely under 2 second block production.

Un-Scalable

Bitcoin can barley handle a few hundred thousand transactions a day, what happens if the transactions grow to 10 Million, 50 Million, 100 Million which are all still relativity small transaction numbers compared to the 6 Billion people in the world. It simply can't handle it.

The truth of the matter is that block chain technology is scalable, mining is not... If you put a blockchain on a central server and handled visa's level of daily transaction volume it probably wouldn't cost more then $50k a month. The more nodes you add to the server the greater the cost of processing those transactions but the greater the level of decentralization. The purpose of decentralization is to create a system than has no central point of failure or control. Once you reach the threshold at which that condition is met (obviously there is not set metric for this) the marginal cost of adding full nodes to both store and process transactions exceeds the marginal benefit. With bitcoin the cost associated with mining unnecessarily increase the cost of processing transactions to the point that the threshold at which the marginal cost of additional nodes exceeds the marginal benefits is much lower for Bitcoin and other POW systems than POS systems, and ulimately results in greater centralization and greater cost.

Given the DPoS design, blockchain solutions can easily provide a payment network that scales globally better than visa and certainly better than Bitcoin. Currently Bitcoin pays out ~$500m to miners to process less 1 tps. A DPoS system would be able handle visa 2,000 tps load at 1% of that cost.


51% Attacks

51% attacks which don't have to be 51% of the network, as they can do it with far less hashpower, such as ghash.io 29% the two biggest pools combined make up over 51% of the network and can literally destroy Bitcoin at any second. It doesn't even need to be the pool operators, it can be hackers who take over the pools.

If you understand distributed consensus this isn't really an attack. But certainly Bitcoin is more vulnerable to arbitrary control than other blockchain solutions.

Unstable Exchange Rate

It can never be used as a sole currency to replace all other fiat currencies. Why? Because it's price is unstable. It must always rely on another fiat currency to have any sort of monetary use, no merchant is going to transact when the price of the currency fluctuates 50-200% a day. The only way to stop this is to have actual control of the currency and adjust creation. '


This is why bitUSD is crucial. A decentralized and cryptographically secured fixed income security is what the worlds been looking for. Not to mention bitUSD provides interest with a yield of 5-10% a year. I don't think we have to worry about unstable exchange rates anymore.

4. NO BENEFIT OVER FIAT

With everything mentioned above it shows that Bitcoin has no real advantage over fiat for 99% of the people in the world. You can't pay your bills or general living expenses in it, can't buy much with it. It's slow, not consumer friendly, as once a payment is sent there is no charge back method. Guess what 90% of the world are consumers not merchants. If Bitcoin doesn't appeal to the regular consumer who buys goods from merchants it will never succeed. Even if it succeeds it's doomed by it's very architecture which can't handle the success.

The only use it has, is sending small internationally pretty quickly, which then again gets converted to fiat for people to actually use. What market is there for small international payments 5-10% of the world?

No entity would trust high sums of money to be transferred with Bitcoin with all of it's flaws. Want to know how right I am and how wrong you are? Bitcoin has about 3 million users in a 5 year period. Facebook in that same time had what? 600M-1 Billion users.

Not to mention by the time, I have opened 10 accounts just to buy and convert Bitcoin, I could have swiped my credit/debit card 1000 times.


Benefits of Digital Securities over Fiat

- can be transferred globally in less than 10 seconds
- fees are not a percentage of the transactions but rather a fixed amount (blockchain tech can handle visa txn volume for ~$5mil as opposed to ~$11bn - a savings of 99.95% to merchants)
- cryptographically secured - can't be counterfeited or seized
- financial system thereby becomes more secure, more transparent, more efficient and (given the design of BitShares X) more collateralized.
24  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Asset exchanges 24h volumes on: September 20, 2014, 05:37:38 PM
Sometimes, the best tech doesn't always win a clean victory.
Community support is very important for crypto adoption, first mover advantage is also pretty useful, and NXT has both of those right now.

I do like the asset:asset trading possibliity in Qoras AE, but I'm not convinced that it's the killer feature that Qora are hoping for.
As a trader, I like being able to keep a reasonable track on my trades, and being able to trade asset<>asset could be confusing for my little brain.


You can trade asset to asset on bitshares x. I didn't know that this was not a feature of all decentralized asset exchanges.
25  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Asset exchanges 24h volumes on: September 20, 2014, 02:21:54 PM
Bitshares X volume for the 19th was $76,368.32957. I added the trades up manually using excel I would imagine that bitsharesblocks.com will start posting the volume soon.
26  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: BitUSD is in circulation! BitCNY soon on: September 14, 2014, 08:43:29 PM
The BitUSD Market has been started. It seems to be you can buy BitUSD for about 1 USD... See https://bter.com/trade/bitusd_usd

Who gets my real dollar if I buy a bitUSD?  Basically, who was smart enough to have me give them a real dollar for a digital dollar not recognized by any shops or the US government?


The person that is dumb enough to store value in a depreciating fiat currency or a bank that provides no meaningful interest to depositors. While you, on the other hand, receive a 5-10% annual return on your bitUSD.
27  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Ethereum & BitShares Partnership!! on: August 17, 2014, 06:23:34 PM
So for example if BitGold doubles in price in a week then the collateral is there to back BitGold at that new price level.

Ok, still don't see why not just let the price float freely, why put collateral to it every week?

Is there an equivalent of what this is all about in real world trading (stocks, bonds, whatever)? What is this financial instrument called? Maybe that can make it more clear.

BitAssets are essentially contracts for difference between buyers, sellers and the blockchain.
28  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Which Proof of Stake System is the Most Viable on: August 17, 2014, 01:31:05 AM
Any new thoughts on this question? My money's still on BitShares.
29  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: BitShares X Now Trading!!! on: August 17, 2014, 01:14:58 AM
I'm guessing the fact that it was recently added to Poloniex is helping with the value. 

How could that be when there's only 4 BTC of volume on Poloniex?
30  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: TITAN Infographic - Transfer invisibly to any name (BitShares feature) on: August 13, 2014, 11:35:06 PM
Can anyone outline for me the advantages/disadvantages of having more than one TITAN account in my BitSharesX wallet? I seem to recall reading somewhere that multiple accounts might slow down the transaction times, but can't find it now.

On the other hand, having multiple accounts for various activities might make accounting sense and boost anonymity for some transactions.

Multiple accounts slows down transactions scanning for when you are trying to get your wallet and accounts synced to the current blockchain. The more accounts, the more private keys your wallet has to scan against every transaction that took place since your last sync. Currently blocks are synced at about 50 blocks per second. The devs have put together an upgraded on the development branch of the source code that allows the wallet to sync 500 to 1000 blocks per second.

Overall, it doesn't really matter too much if you have multiple accounts but there really isn't  very much advantage to having multiple accounts.
31  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [NXT] Nxt - Official Thread on: August 08, 2014, 01:10:04 PM
whens the next release?
32  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Ether or Stellar ? on: August 07, 2014, 03:17:34 AM
Probably gonna just buy bitshares
33  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: BitShares IPO : get in if u r smart ! on: August 05, 2014, 12:06:23 AM
BTS ia a joke Grin

What about it is a joke to you?

Well, this is by far the most complicated, poorly-functioning crypto platform I've ever tried to work with.

First you need to "register" your account ID by receiving some bitshares.

But don't buy them from the exchange because you can only send those to pre-registered BTSX addresses.

So, unless you catch somebody in a good mood who's willing to part with some BTS, you're SOL (shit-outta-luck) registering your Bitshares X wallet.

The private key import feature does not work on the newest BTSX platform release, so you cannot import your Angel Shares or Proto Shares except by finding an older version from a non-official source, which I haven't been able to do yet.

Frankly crowd-sourced projects like this just seem to be mainly rich kids giving their money away to even richer kids.

Remember when "Ethereum" was still a thing? This project has the exact same vibe to it.

You can fund yourself easily by going to https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=6122.msg81960#msg81960

importing of private keys is working for me on 0.3.1 on linux both gui and command line.. Remember that if the account you are importing isn't registered on the blockchain you will have to import it into an account.  This can be done either with the gui by going to the account and then going to advanced, or from the console by typing wallet_import_private_key <private key> <account name>

If the account is already registered on the blockchain you can leave off the account name at the end of the command.

It may be a bit confusing at first, but the benefits of TITAN far outweigh the drawbacks.  Sending to a name rather than a alpha-numeric key, and true anonymity. 
 

Thanks Puppies. I do appreciate your attempt to help, but I have tried all of this before, several times, in several different combinations. Its way too painstaking a process.

"Remember that if the account you are importing isn't registered on the blockchain you will have to import it into an account."

How can you import an unregistered account? If an account is unregistered, that means it has 0 transactions in it, so there's nothing to import.

My main problem is I can't import my Angelshares from blockchain. I've already registered my BTSX account but no funds can be imported from either blockchain.info or my BTS wallet.

As I hate losing BTC to the ether, I am sure I will figure out how to receive my BTSX in due time.

But no software platform should demand this much time, effort and patience from their users. This isn't a product yet. Put it away and bring it back out when its finished.

I've never had any trouble importing btcoin or pts wallets into the bitshares x platform. What error do you get when attempting to import?
34  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: BitShares IPO : get in if u r smart ! on: August 03, 2014, 02:04:15 PM
BTS ia a joke Grin

What about it is a joke to you?
35  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: BitShares IPO : get in if u r smart ! on: August 03, 2014, 02:03:48 PM
Why do you need to raise more than 5million for this project?

good question !

They didn't "need" to raise more than $5 million to develop the project, that's simply the amount of interest that they received from people in the bitcoin space.
36  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Bitshares-PTS to double/triple in price in the next 45 days!!? on: July 30, 2014, 01:00:47 PM
Anyways, as that guy said, there is little reason to argue about this.  PTS is currently trading at 0.0069BTC on Cryptsy, we can all just come back in a month or two and see what new low it has achieved.

Well I guess you guys were right after all, PTS sure did double/triple in price, if by double/triple in price you meant lose 10% and still dropping. 

It was only me who specified a potential doubling in price by Aug 8th. I expected we would have a couple of snapshot announcements by then, as far as I can tell there are 2 snapshots that will be announced in Aug, but it's likely they will come after Aug 8th.


And despite that you are still going to put your faith in a company that has as of yet produced nothing of value, and is nothing but promises?  Some people never learn. 
Well good luck. 

BitShareX was launched on July 19th... download the wallet at bitshares-x.info
37  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: TITAN Infographic - Transfer invisibility to any name (BitShares feature) on: July 28, 2014, 03:42:11 AM
If you want to compare the other features of their blockchains...

http://wiki.bitshares.org/index.php/Why_choose_Bitshares%3F



To be honest the сurrently states of affairs are so...
But healthy competition between any crypto platforms are welcome. Wink
Our older's brother (simple coin1.0-1,5) - doesn't observe any rules at all, but we have to. Wink




BitShares X was released July 19th, 2014. The current network includes anonymous transactions, registered accounts, user issued assets, the effective equivalent of Nxt transparent forging and leased forging (deterministic block production, allowing for 10 second blocks and 1 block confirmations). The memo field in all transactions can be thought of as encrypted messaging but its purpose as of right now is just to provide a brief (19 character) description of the transaction. Public testing of market-pegged assets should begin tomorrow. Also voting and dns are in active development.
38  Economy / Economics / Re: Solution to poverty - Socialism or Capitalism? on: July 26, 2014, 06:13:16 PM
In the twenty first century socialism vs capitalism is a false dichotomy - they are both flawed.

The solution is prosumerism - consumers taking control of the means of production and participating in the process of production via various processes and channels, including revenue sharing, crypto-equities (coins as shares etc), collaborative open source development, 3D printing and other home manufacturing, decentralization in general and ultimately the creation of customer owned DACs.

that is capitalism...
39  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: BitShares IPO : get in if u r smart ! on: July 26, 2014, 05:23:24 PM
-insert fake quote of r0ach here-

It was a nice shilling attempt, but my real quote is below:

Bitshares did it in an extremely poorly designed way by having an IPO where it's possible for the dev to to create thousands of mule accounts, send BTC in with all of them, get infinite premine + all his money back, then have plutocratic voting to determine delegates based on who owns the most coins afterwards.  The entire thing is a train wreck.  You can't get rid of mining for distribution, amongst numerous other changes they would have to do for how their system works to make it not a blatant scam.

I publicly (on this forum) warned bytemaster about that while he was designing it. I stopped following his work last year. He did present at least one good idea I adopted as optimum—select the block solution with the lowest value over some interval to mitigate the orphan issue.

But why would any of the devs do that if they are producing open source software...? Reputation is everything, which is why Dan and the rest of Invictus Innovation had to handle the process with the utmost transparency and fairness. If you can prove that the devs were unfair in their allocation of equity, then perhaps your clone can succeed.
40  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: BitShares IPO : get in if u r smart ! on: July 26, 2014, 01:55:13 AM
Mining does consume vast resources for little social benefit

That benefit is de-centralized control over the network.

That's of little benefit to people who want power over the network.

-=-

Maybe I don't understand banking - as I said, I like things KISS because then I can't get scammed because there was some detail I did not properly understand.

As I said, this appears to be un-necessary complexity to meet a need that I don't have.

I can trade without needing yet another currency that is used as collateral for fake assets that represent real assets.

The complexity of this system is not something I think is safe for me nor needed for me.

You want it to streamline your playing day trader, that's fine - but it is definitely not another bitcoin.

Bitcoin has utility everyone can use, everyone can understand - it is digital cash.

This on the other hand doesn't seem to.

If your purpose in crypto-currencies is to trade them around trying to make a buck, maybe it has utility, but if your purpose in crypto-currencies is to trade them around and make a buck, then it is just a shell game to increase your fiat and that's not why I'm into crypto.

So this has no utility for me, none whatsoever. And I wouldn't be surprised if this had legal trouble, like it or not regulation of exchanges is coming (and actually is already here), if this doesn't comply then it definitely has absolutely no utility for me.

You're still confused, which is OK. Most people don't understand BitShares when they first learn about it. It's not actually complicated, although it may appear so. BitSharesX is decentralized p2p bank and exchange. The network has its own currency (most accurately described as equity) BTSX. BTSX is a crypto currency with all the same properties of Bitcoin. The difference is simply in the functionality of the network which allows you to transfer BTSX to anyone on the network anonymously within 10 seconds (block intervals are 10 seconds, and 1 block confirmation is more secure than 6 block confirmations with Bitcoin). Additionally, the network allows you to register accounts on the blockchain so there is a public directory of names that you can send to instead of sending BTSX to cryptographic public keys (public key cryptography is still used under the hood, but it is automated which allows for greater ease-of-use, and most importantly greater security). This is the current state of BitSharesX which was officially launched on July 19th. Future iterations will incorporate the market features, which allows for users to have accounts denominated in essentially whatever asset they want. Instead of thinking in terms of trading and markets think about like this. Average users who like the idea of digital currencies but do not want to be subject to their volatility can now use digital currencies that maintain the purchasing power of a desired asset. So if you have a 100 bitUSD there is someone else on the network that is essentially guaranteeing that whenever you want to convert your crypto to fiat you will have enough BTSX to get 100 USD (real USD). People that understand the implications of decentralized crypto currencies can thereby take on the short term volatility of the networks currency in order to accrue greater long term gains (if the price of the BTSX rises relative to USD, then not only do you get a gain from the increase in price but you also get more BTSX than you started off with, since it now takes less BTSX to back the 100 bitUSD).

I hope that clears things up a little bit. If not at the very least, download the BitSharesX client from bitshares-x.info and I will send you some BTSX to test out the system.
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