I have a couple questions about logging. I would like to log every time a transaction takes place, or a new block is downloaded from nodes. These logs would have to also include a timestamp. I was looking through an old debug.log, and found that none of the events were timestamped. Is there a setting that allows for these customizations, or will I have to do it manually in the code?

In addition, how difficult will it be to modify for this kind of a change.

Thank you.

Shouldn't it have happened by now, as new money is beginning to flow into accounts?

Bitcoin Rally Song(0:26 - 0:55 on this video): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJMdKS_CYME

It fits well.

Simple solution folks. Try to get Leaseweb to reboot it. If he was smart, he made Apache a service and it should start on boot. It probably crashed for some reason. That is about all Leaseweb can do without physically breaking into server via console, etc.

Sigh. Not a crisis, most likely a bug. You are all trying to talk the market down. "SELL SELL SELL" is kinda old now.

Okay, that would be an acceptable solution probably. I would recommend mass emailing all customers this information, as they may not know to look inside forum threads for the info.

Mt. Gox says they won't drop Dwolla at any time in the near future (recently, as of yesterday) link: https://support.mtgox.com/entries/20317238-announcement-dwolla-transfer-option-will-remain-available
So that will remain open.

On the point of converting to BTC: You are then taking a risk, which I'd rather not take. It will take an hour or more for the BTC to get to you from tradehill. Then another 1-2 hours to get to Mt Gox to get back to USD. What if the market tumbles during that time period? I want the USD that is owed to me, in full.

The least Tradehill can do is offer an acceptable alternate bank transfer means for customers that are unable to use Dwolla. If they refuse to re-add it, I propose the following solutions:

A) Wire the money to us directly. You cover the costs on your end of the wire, and my end of the wire (because my bank charges for incoming wires). I will pay you the $0.25 that I would have paid with the Dwolla transaction.
B) Transfer the money for us into Mt Gox, and send us a Mt Gox payment in exchange for our complete Tradehill balance. Mt Gox still accepts Dwolla transfers.
C) Write us a check for our balance and mail it! It is ridiculous that they are not cutting a check to Smalleyster, check fraud or not...after what they did.

It isn't very fair for customers who depend on Dwolla to be stuck holding the bag for the exorbitant Paxium fees/general intrusiveness and wire fees. Offer us a way out.

Really? Again, assuming that Dwolla has not given Tradehill's account a complete negative balance (which they have not reported officially), how is Tradehill "risking all of these funds" by doing the following:

User A withdraws $1000 USD via Dwolla to Dwolla account xxx-xxx-xxx.

Tradehill adds $1000 USD funds to Dwolla account via bank transfer, sends money to User A.

User A withdraws money into personal bank account.

Done. Assuming Tradehill does not have a negative balance, they can do this just fine.

I once again reiterate...I know there are at least several others with similar concerns as mine.

Tradehill- If possible....you managed to hold onto Dwolla withdrawals for a little while after discontinuing deposits. Email all users, and at least give them a few days to make their final Dwolla withdrawals. At that point, you can be completely done with it.

If I was losing money in the process of shipping these packages, then I would understand dropping them as a carrier. If it was the customers entire responsibility, and they had to deal with UPS themselves, then I would do the correct thing and provide a notice ahead of time before removing the option to ship via UPS.

Is Tradehill losing money by allowing withdrawals via Dwolla? No.

May I lose money by using Dwolla, if these claims turn out to be true and Dwolla is a scam? Yes.

Is it my responsibility if I lose money in my Dwolla account? Yes.

Is it Tradehill's responsibility? No. They send the money, then at that point it is on me. So fine, they can act like the "good guys" and stop the withdrawals. At least give me some notice.


It isn't a "temporary inconvenience" when you are dealing with people's money. It is a major inconvenience, and a bad business practice.


So if as a bank I decide one day without notice to not allow ATM deposits/withdrawals and online banking transactions to move money in and out of a bank account, but still allow teller transactions (hey, it is still a deposit/withdrawal method...) it makes it okay?

Let us say I am a bank. I have thousands of customers who use online banking for a variety of reasons. One day, as the CEO and decision maker for the company...I decide that to protect my users I must disable online banking as it is too easy for people to be keylogged and have their accounts hacked into.

So guess what, I am going to just pull the plug.

Oops. I just lost a large amount of business because my customers relied on online banking, and had no notice to prepare for the change. I know if I was a customer and that happened to me, I would be extremely angry at the bank and close my account the next day. Personally.

Did they have a negative balance? Or is that speculation for the future? I didn't see that stated as a reason anywhere in their official blog post. If there wasn't an immediate danger, it still would be proper to give customers at least some notice before removing it.

They also should have sent a mass email to all customers regarding this major change. I looked at the USD withdrawal options and was absolutely puzzled. A blog, linked with a tiny link at the bottom of the page...is not the proper place to announce very major changes in service. At least email your customers. All major business institutions send notices to customers regarding changes in service. When your bank (and I am using this as an example because Tradehill at least acts like a "fund storage" service) changes rules on withdrawals or deposits, you receive an email with dates on when said policy goes into place...and also a postal letter in addition to that. They don't make a post on Twitter or some blog without using means listed above when they change their policies, do they?

Also, is Joel an official Tradehill employee? If this wasn't speculation regarding the negative balance, why does a non-employee have insider information regarding their situation with Dwolla?

I am disappointed that you have removed Dwolla withdrawals as per your blog post today, without any prior notice.

This is not a good business practice. When you have many customers with a USD balance in their account (and may not want to convert back into bitcoins for transfer), you want to give them ample notice that you are no longer accepting a cash out method.

It was reasonable that you took down Dwolla deposits into Tradehill as that was resulting in direct loss on your end, forged statements, etc. However, that is a different issue because you are talking about deposits, not withdrawals. Some people depend on one method of getting the money out of your system, like me. Liberty Reserve is too difficult to manage due the number of shady exchange sites and high wire fees. Regular direct bank wires are expensive.  Paxium charges ridiculous fees, seem greedy, are involved with some (at least in my opinion) shady industries, and require a large amount of personal information to be sent. Dwolla costs $0.25.

You feel the need to make your users safe, and that is fine. However, you have went about it the wrong way. You should have made an announcement stating that you planned on discontinuing all Dwolla withdrawals, and provided a date on which this change would take place (say at least a week or two out). Then you should process all of those withdrawals in that period before the cut off date. This gives customers ample time to prepare for the change. As far as I am aware (correct me if I am wrong), processing Dwolla withdrawals does not put you in danger of losing more money. Therefore, it was completely irresponsible to do this.

I am sure many of you think Dwolla is a total scam, and completely back Tradehill up. The problem with their decision was not the idea removing Dwolla withdrawals, but not giving customers any real notice ahead of time. It is a real shame.

You still have a chance to fix this. Reopen Dwolla withdrawals for a few days at the very least. Allow users to withdraw their funds using that method until a specific deadline/cut off date. At that point, remove it.

-DS

Additional Edit: They also should have sent a mass email to all customers regarding this major change. I looked at the USD withdrawal options and was absolutely puzzled. A blog, linked with a tiny link at the bottom of the page...is not the proper place to announce very major changes in service. At least email your customers. All major business institutions send notices to customers regarding changes in service. When your bank (and I am using this as an example because Tradehill at least acts like a "fund storage" service) changes rules on withdrawals or deposits, you receive an email with dates on when said policy goes into place...and also a postal letter in addition to that. They don't make a post on Twitter or some blog without using means listed above when they change their policies, do they?

http://www.dwolla.org/blog/weve-got-some-cool-communications-tools-in-the-works-and-its-all-because-of-our-customers/

From the CEO...addressing future changes and current situation with "chargebacks". It looked recent, so I posted (didn't see it anywhere else in this forum, so remove if it is a double post).

If you were typing it manually, the chances of hitting another valid address are rather slim. Be absolutely sure it was the right address. It would be funny if those coins show up years from now. Maybe BTC will be worth $1000/coin and that will be a nice surprise!

Depends on who is running the government. If Ron Paul wins, probably not for a long time. Hopefully.

If you have an infrared thermometer, open up the casing around the WIFI card if you can and check the temperature during your mining. Then check the specs on the card and see if it is going outside of safe temperatures. It could be a possible reason for failure.

Drivers would seem to be the main issue, double check compatibility with those. XP is an aging OS and is almost EOLed on Microsoft's end.

Sent a PM, interested in both characters.