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1  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Travelex Exploring Bitcoin? on: May 11, 2014, 09:00:18 AM
It sounds more like they are setting up a system for traditional currency exchange in a peer to peer manner. Think eBay/AirBnB, collaborative economy style companies so they can profit on FX without providing the bulk of the funds themselves.

Example:

Bob has 100 Dollars and wants to exchange for Euros - Jane has 72 Euros and wants to exchange for Dollars. They both visit the peer-to-peer exchange hosted by Travelex and organise to trade, either via bank transfer or more likely some sort of escrow account where Travelex take a small fee.
2  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: ALERT: SCAM ATTEMPTS FROM (fake) BTC-E AND (fake) BITSTAMP on: March 11, 2014, 11:16:04 AM
Just came on to warn people about the BTC-e one doing the rounds. Somewhere along the way an email list has been acquired and someone seems to be phishing across all the markets. Just remember not to click on links from the emails and don't rely on them hitting the spam folder. The BTC-e one reached my inbox and if some people with a bit more experience get their hands on this list you can expect some very convincing fakes.

If you run an exchange never make people download files and create/publish an email link policy so that people can identify genuine emails from your company.

If you use exchanges then don't click on a link or attachment in any email unless you were specifically expecting it I.e. Two factor auth, and even then be careful because these threats will evolve.
3  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Name the 0.0001 BTC unit - 1st POLL on: January 06, 2014, 06:56:37 PM
10 KiloBit?

http://bitcoindenominations.org/
4  Economy / Speculation / Re: BREAKING NEWS: Denmark makes it LEGAL to establish Bitcoin Exchanges on: December 17, 2013, 03:38:37 PM
The actual page they link mentions nothing of the sort.
5  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin Denominations / Re-Denomination on: December 17, 2013, 02:54:31 PM
Using Kilobit and Megabit is, in my opinion, a bad idea, it will be confusing.

I'd be interested to know why you think this. In most cases people are already familiar with this scale and terminology so applying the numeric values to a digital currency doesn't seem too much of a stretch.

If you are so familiar with the scale, than how do you not know that a kilobit would be 1000 XBT and a megabit (which would be MXBT, note the capital M) would be a million XBT.

The correct SI units you were looking for would be centi (hence, cents) milli and micro.

And milli and micro are already commonly used.

Actually a KiloBit would be 1000 bits i.e. 100 satoshis.

A KiloBitcoin would be 1000 XBT

According to the highest ever upvoted reddit article on this topic, the best solution was to call 0.000 0100 a 'bit'

100 satoshis in a bit
1 million bits in a bitcoin.

calling any fraction of a bitcoin a bit is a terrible idea, it's extremely easy to confuse 'bit' with 'bitcoin', it should therefore be avoided calling any fraction of a bitcoin a bit.

Someone once did propose to use names for denominations, in particular 2 syllable japanese words like:

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Hoshi (star) = 1,000,000 bitcoins
Bara (rose) = 1,000 bitcoins
Genshi (atom) = 1 bitcoin
Ringo (apple) = 0.001 bitcoins
Tora (tiger) = 0.000001 bitcoins
Satoshi (originator) = 0.00000001 bitcoins



I do agree that Bit and Bitcoin could get confusing so if there were community consensus on a name for the individual unit to work up from something like a KiloSatoshi (bit of a mouthful) could work.
6  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin Denominations / Re-Denomination on: December 16, 2013, 08:53:51 AM
I agree that this is needed and will happen eventually should bitcoin succeed. It's kind of complicated as the value of each bitcoin increases it makes it less appealing to use a full bitcoin as the main unit of currency.  Depending on where the price stabilizes is what should determine the base unit? 

You are presuming the price will ever stabiliize. Even if it does for a while, does that mean it triggers a switch of base unit?

What hapens if it then moves big one way or the other. Do you switch base unit again (and again and again)?

My vote goes to stick to bitcoins and learning to love decimal places.

I strongly feel that creating a base system that is instantly recognisable and that can be integrated with existing systems to a maximum of 4 decimal places (currently the maximum a currency uses) is going to ease the path to mainstream adoption for every day commerce. Without this the average Joe on the street is going to be counting zeros to work out if they are paying $5 or $50 for that cup of coffee. With Bitcoin as the super unit in addition to the lower unit denominations it gives room for functional pricing in Bitcoin at both ends of the spectrum. The alternative of course is pricing everything in dollars or local currency but that is a completely different scenario and would leave Bitcoin less practical for direct usage.
7  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin Denominations / Re-Denomination on: December 15, 2013, 10:12:09 PM
Good effort, and headed in the right direction. However, the suggested units diverge wildly from the universally-accepted SI system, and are therefore counterproductive.

It is good that the emerging acceptance by forex markets of XBT for the currency code is acknowledged. But it appears that prefixing this by a modifying character immediately transforms 'XBT' to being 1/100,000,000 of the amount without modifier. This is lunacy.

Why not just employ SI directly? In this model, using the widespread 'satoshi'* to indicate 1/100,000,000 XBT:

1 XBT = 100,000,000 satoshis
1 dXBT = 10,000,000 satoshis
1 cXBT = 1,000,000 satoshis
1 mXBT = 100,000 satoshis
1 uXBT = 100 satoshis (I'd use the 'mu' character here rather than 'u')

In this manner, you solve your 'humans don't deal well with decimals' problem (an assertion of which I am not necessarily convinced), while still retaining compatibility with the universal many-generations-old SI system.

Incidentally, 'm' does not denote '*1,000,000', it denotes '/1,000'. You're looking for 'M' - mega, not 'm' - milli.

I'd concede a fundamental unit might be helpful here.


Thanks for the feedback. I will update the casing accordingly.

In regards to direct usage of the SI in relation to Bitcoin; it isn't a system which is going to be readily recognisable by the masses at this stage and you have to go down pretty far and use non standard characters to represent the micro. Logically it is sound, however I'm not sure how the names would stand up in usage practically. It definitely has potential but all of the units which will likely make up the majority of its usage as a currency sound small. Also not sure how much it matters but the Bitcoin is almost a Super Unit as I understand it in both our scenarios.

1 XBT = 100,000,000 satoshis = 1 Bitcoin
1 dXBT = 10,000,000 satoshis = 1 Deci-Bitcoin
1 cXBT = 1,000,000 satoshis = 1 Centi-Bitcoin
1 mXBT = 100,000 satoshis = 1 Milli-Bitcoin
1 μXBT = 100 satoshis = 1 Micro-Bitcoin
1 Huh = 1 satoshi = 1 Satoshi

I can make neither head nor tail of your "shorthand markup" column.


The same problem is apparent with our existing system. To simplify things the base unit symbol can be utilised in co-ordination with the appropriate prefix which could be an argument in favour of using fractions rather than multiples.

1 BTC = 100,000,000 satoshis = 1 Bitcoin
1 dBTC = 10,000,000 satoshis = 1 Deci-Bitcoin
1 cBTC = 1,000,000 satoshis = 1 Centi-Bitcoin
1 mBTC = 100,000 satoshis = 1 Milli-Bitcoin
1 μBTC = 100 satoshis  = 1 Micro-Bitcoin
1 Huh = 1 satoshi = 1 Satoshi

Whichever approach is taken needs to be rational and easily representable both in everyday usage and in systems. Most currency based systems are not designed to 8 decimal places with some even having hard restrictions which could potentially slow down business adoption of Bitcoin with legacy software hence the initial desire for units based on multiples rather than fractions.

Using Kilobit and Megabit is, in my opinion, a bad idea, it will be confusing.

I'd be interested to know why you think this. In most cases people are already familiar with this scale and terminology so applying the numeric values to a digital currency doesn't seem too much of a stretch.

Because it's already used. You can't use the same name for two different thing... It would create confusion for sure !

Well starting from scratch it might be MegaBitcoin but that would remove the logic as it doesn't relate to the current Bitcoin unit and is quite a mouthful. A KiloSatoshi based on the existing system and with a nod to the creator could work however it is also quite wordy. Other suggestions are welcome on how to make it work but it is the underlying logic that needs to be ascertained at the same time in a way that works and can easily be represented and utilised by users and developers.
8  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin Denominations / Re-Denomination on: December 15, 2013, 07:21:55 PM
Using Kilobit and Megabit is, in my opinion, a bad idea, it will be confusing.

I'd be interested to know why you think this. In most cases people are already familiar with this scale and terminology so applying the numeric values to a digital currency doesn't seem too much of a stretch.
9  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Bitcoin Denominations / Re-Denomination on: December 15, 2013, 05:08:31 PM
This is definitely an important issue that will become more prominent as the value of Bitcoin grows and more official businesses and financial institutions work to integrate it with legacy systems. This is also something that will need to be established as soon as possible to ensure that standards are set and understood before the next wave of growth so that global businesses, ecommerce solutions and financial institutions have a shared denomination system that is easily understood, marketable to the masses and future proof. Whilst there are several names starting to be used for smaller denominations they signify small amounts,which they are unlikely to be be if/when Bitcoin gains mainstream acceptance, and do not easily fall into commonly used systems of measurement putting them at risk of confusion and dilution to the point where they are no longer significant.

I have created a mini-site with a first draft of my proposals for open discussion and would love to hear your feedback or suggestions: http://bitcoindenominations.org/

Also posted copy below for those that don't like clicking out...

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This site has been created to assist in establishing and promoting a sustainable and universal set of denominations for the Bitcoin digital currency. The basis of the current denomination proposals has been based on functional integration with existing monetary systems and internationally accepted data inspired labelling in recognition of the digital nature of the currency.

Decimal vs. non-decimal

A decimal currency is a currency where the ratio between the main unit and the subunit is an integral power of 10. Non-decimal currencies are now rare. In theory, two countries currently use non-decimal currency: Mauritania (1 ouguiya = 5 khoums) and Madagascar (1 ariary = 5 iraimbilanja). In practice, however, the value of the main unit in each case is so low (less than 1/1000 of a United States dollar) that the sub-unit is not of any practical use and is rarely seen in circulation.

For a modern financial system based in mathematical algorithms it makes sense to adhere to the decimal standard that also happens to be used by almost every currency in the world.

Choice of name

It is common to name a unit with a unit of weight, such as pound, lira, and baht. In most cases, these currencies were originally defined as that amount of some precious metal. Another choice of name is some form of derivative of the political entity. The Afghan afghani and European euro fall into this category. Sometimes the name is simply the name of the metal of which the coins were or are made, such asPolish złoty (“golden”) and Vietnamese đồng (“copper”), or its geographical origin, e.g. Joachimsthaler (see Dollar).

Following this rational it makes sense to base the currency in Bits which are the base digital unit within most data systems and allows for standard international naming conventions and SI prefixes to represent intermediary steps in between significant units.
   
BTC vs. XBT

Whilst BTC is commonly used to refer to the currency by its users it is not always used to represent an actual unit of value within the currency system. At the same time XBT is becoming recognised by significant money market players (e.g. Bloomberg, XE.com etc) and there is a push for its adoption as an ISO 4217 country code. Therefore it would make sense when establishing internationally accepted denominations to use the XBT code to fully integrate Bitcoin with existing financial systems and make a clear distinction for the newly accepted denominations and avoid confusion with existing common names and nicknames.
   
Proposed Bitcoin Denominations



10  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Marketplace (Altcoins) / Re: ► ► ► NOW ACCEPTING ORDERS FOR LEALANA PHYSICAL SILVER LITECOINS! on: July 06, 2013, 10:44:05 AM
74 LTC for two 10 LTC coins. That is quite a markup however you look at it. Loaded 60 LTC in prep for the release of these and can't believe I'm still sitting short!
11  Bitcoin / Armory / Re: Armory won't send without crashing? on: June 30, 2013, 10:52:08 AM
Eventually I realised I could still generate the individual private keys without crashing and cashed out into a new wallet. I like Armory but need more stability for transaction wallets!
12  Bitcoin / Armory / Armory won't send without crashing? on: June 30, 2013, 02:55:43 AM
As the title suggests every time I attempt to send funds with Armory it is crashing. My first guess was a memory problem after reading the comments in this section however I monitored Windows Task Manager and it only got to 62% of 4GB on x86 laptop when it happened. It leaves a new change address each time but no transfer appears to be actioned.

What is the best way to move these funds into another client (preferably the official QT) using just the Paper Backup?
13  Bitcoin / Armory / Re: Armory - Discussion Thread on: June 30, 2013, 02:32:21 AM
Having problems sending anything without crash, from recent posts I'm guessing it is just a memory issue. 4GB Ram x86 laptop.

What is the easiest way to move out of Armory without sending coins using it?
14  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: 1 BTC sold for 9832 US Dollars (!) on ebay on: June 29, 2013, 02:06:36 PM
No feedback yet, just wait Smiley
Maybe he will never pay it Sad
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   Exceptional Seller!!!   mafishco ( 656)     Jun-18-13 16:44
    1 Full Bitcoin Sent To Your Online Wallet (#161042374155)   C $10,000.00   View Item

Still smells a bit funny.
15  Economy / Goods / Re: [Photo] First of 2013 Casascius Silver Coins Now Available For Sale on: June 28, 2013, 01:21:28 PM
Do you know how many 0.1 you will have in a roll?
16  Economy / Goods / Re: [WTS] Casascius Aluminium Coins - 10 coins for 0.04 BTC [IN HAND] (UK/EU/WW) on: June 27, 2013, 05:11:11 PM
Order placed for 5 lots in the UK. Sent details via PM!
Thanks, it's in the First Class post today Smiley

Received them in the post and already had some fun creating some NFC Bitcoins. Thanks for speedy and professional service.

Quite a few minor scratches, but I had read that already earlier in the thread. Did they arrive that way to you?

Still pretty cool. Picture of the Bitcoins with NFC sticker on back...

17  Bitcoin / Project Development / Re: Marketing Bitcoin on: June 26, 2013, 09:33:15 PM
I would focus on daily deals websites that include either products or trips, hotels, events, etc.

something like that would be cool

This sounds like a great project for the right person. Can definitely see a niche there!
18  Economy / Goods / Re: [WTS] Casascius Aluminium Coins - 10 coins for 0.04 BTC [IN HAND] (UK/EU/WW) on: June 26, 2013, 01:30:36 PM
Order placed for 5 lots in the UK. Sent details via PM!
19  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin for WP e-Commerce for WordPress on: June 26, 2013, 12:29:59 AM
This is  really cool!
love it.

Things I would love to see in this project.

  • Accept multiple currencies. not just bitcoin because its hard to accept bitcoin if your going to lock out all other possibilities.
  • I would love to hook into the blockchain.info wallet api so that I dont have to run the bitcoin client on the server. (a lot of hosting providers don't let you access IRC and a lot of people are on shared hosting.)




This is something that we are working on releasing soon!

You can find more info at http://bitmate.net You can also subscribe for email updates so you don't miss out when it launches.
20  Bitcoin / Project Development / BitMate Author Donations Plugin for WordPress on: June 26, 2013, 12:10:08 AM
I am in the process of launching a suite of Bitcoin WordPress plugins to help people monetize their content. The first of which was a donation plugin officially launched into the WordPress repository free of charge yesterday (if you use it, it would be great if you could leave a review to help spread the word!).

In addition there are other Bitcoin plugins in the works, the most notable (and nearest to release) is a Bitcoin payments plugin for WordPress that allows anyone to accept payments in exchange for digital products. Project donatiions are certainly welcome and there is an address in my signature however I'd really like to get feedback on what we are doing, what you'd like to see in these plugins and beyond!

Thanks for taking the time to check out BitMate and if you want to stay up to date with all of our plugins there is a newsletter service available through the website where you also get first notice of all new releases!

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