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321  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: A report about Bitmit and I am gonna sue them soon on: July 13, 2013, 10:33:27 AM
As long as you have legal documents that prove you are who the account says you are then I can't see them being able to hold your money after 180 days, especially if you pay a few hundred dollars to get a lawyers letter written with a threat of legal action.

You just need to wait 180 days though.

I think I will see what happens after 180 days.

Even if I could withdraw it,he totally ruined my business sadly.
I won't be able to make anymore exchanges for people that need paypal for 180 days.

Thanks everyone for opinions and help Smiley
322  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: A report about Bitmit and I am gonna sue them soon on: July 12, 2013, 05:52:07 PM
Does anyone know what happens if a fake identity were used? I don't see how paypal would return any money to a false identity. Not that they would keep it forever, but it could be tied up in court for years, right?

My documents were not fake and they still didn't approve it.

I have read a similar problem with someone and he was told that the account is gone forever after they refuse the documents,even though he gave them valid documents too.

Here is the source of a similar problem to mine http://www.aspkin.com/forums/paypal-limited/40236-paypal-shut-me-down-ever.html

One of the upper expert people replied saying this

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If you have done the steps needed and failed, account is toast. If you haven't, you need to try to get the steps done. Denying your appeal = account is over or you can call and try for supervisor. Not a good situation. Time to go stealth and go fresh, new accounts.
323  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: A report about Bitmit and I am gonna sue them soon on: July 12, 2013, 04:48:58 PM
He said it was legal for him so you should tell him to take it up with PP. He can't hold you responsible for his own beliefs.

I think the confusion is from incorrectly using the term "illegal".  It is legal and it is also legal for PayPal to freeze transactions and/or accounts that are in violation of their TOS.


What are you trying to prove ?
The word "legal" doesn't match the sentence "bitcoin and paypal exchange"

Please cite the law which makes selling Bitcoins by PayPal funds a criminal activity.  Cite the exact statute.  Not your belief, or something your friend told you, or PayPal's TOS (which are not criminal statutes).  You can't because (and apparently this is a very difficult concept for you to grasp) IT IS NOT ILLEGAL.  Period.

Now PayPal's network is the private property of the PayPal corporation and as such they can set rules on their use of their property.  This is no different than you have rules on what you let go on in your house (like never inviting D&T to dinner).  You broke PayPal's rule and got caught and PayPal has taken action against you.  However violating PayPal's TOS isn't in itself a crime.  

You are talking about the meaning of "legal" "illegal" according to law
We are talking about the word "legal" "illegal" according to paypal,don't mix it up.
324  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: A report about Bitmit and I am gonna sue them soon on: July 12, 2013, 04:22:19 PM
He said it was legal for him so you should tell him to take it up with PP. He can't hold you responsible for his own beliefs.

I think the confusion is from incorrectly using the term "illegal".  It is legal and it is also legal for PayPal to freeze transactions and/or accounts that are in violation of their TOS.


What are you trying to prove ?
The word "legal" doesn't match the sentence "bitcoin and paypal exchange"
325  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: A report about Bitmit and I am gonna sue them soon on: July 12, 2013, 04:12:14 PM
So, your customer money is in your paypal account now and you are not able to refund him the money?



No
Until now paypal is holding the funds and won't refund to my paypal even.
326  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: A report about Bitmit and I am gonna sue them soon on: July 12, 2013, 03:59:40 PM
Looks like he only has himself to blame if PP hold onto his funds.

As for your funds I guess you'll likely need to wait at least 90 days till your funds clear although I have no experience of how long they can keep a hold of your money.

Holding onto the funds is normal when we exchange large amounts with new customers.
We just make the customer tell paypal he sold something and we confirm it with paypal and they release the funds.
But he made it impossible sadly.

Even after all this,he has been constantly blaming me for 3 days,even bitmit assist him and give him my full private info when it was his fault.
327  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: A report about Bitmit and I am gonna sue them soon on: July 12, 2013, 03:56:39 PM
You can not start fresh account lol. It is a life ban.


If you find a way to start another account, let me know so I can start selling on ebay again.



I heard you can use pp again but in stealth,which is something I wouldn't consider.
Not after what I have seen from them
328  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: A report about Bitmit and I am gonna sue them soon on: July 12, 2013, 03:55:41 PM

I knew the risks,but would you ever think someone would trade with you and tell PP about bitcoin ?
Its more like he was trying to throw his own money in the trash but he had to take me with him.
It just wouldn't make any sense and nobody would have doubted it.
About bitmit,I will just give it a shot,I don't know where it is hosted too.


Perhaps he didn't know. It's possible his English wasn't good enough to understand what you meant by

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I told the japanese guy to tell them that he sold me anything...

I had to read that a few times before I realised what you meant. I'm not saying you're to blame - just that he might not have understood what you meant nor the repercussions of saying it was Bitcoin he was selling.

Sadly,he understands English.
Sadly too,he told me before we deal that its legal to trade paypal for bitcoins in JAPAN.
So it doesn't look like he doesn't understand English,I have told him that its not legal like he thought and even if it was legal in his country its not legal in mine.
I have told him exactly in the message when paypal asked for the source of the funds "Tell them that it was for a diablo 3 item or anything that wouldn't cause problems,DON'T tell them that it was for bitcoins because its illegal"
And he never listened to me thinking that its legal in Japan to trade bitcoins for PP ....
329  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: A report about Bitmit and I am gonna sue them soon on: July 12, 2013, 03:53:04 PM
Sadly,it seems that according to their own TOS they have the rights to close my account at any time without notice.

Can't see it being legal for them to keep your money though.

Well for my account it started with being limited
I uploaded my full documents to them and surprisingly it was refused for no reason.
I made a research and they say if they refuse your documents,then the account is toast and I should start a new fresh account ....
I hoped it was just 180 days limitation and then I can withdraw money to my bank Sad
330  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: A report about Bitmit and I am gonna sue them soon on: July 12, 2013, 03:46:02 PM
Is it even legal for them to confiscate money? Maybe you should sue paypal rather than bitmit.


Sadly,it seems that according to their own TOS they have the rights to close my account at any time without notice.
331  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: A report about Bitmit and I am gonna sue them soon on: July 12, 2013, 03:34:10 PM
Well yeah he did stupidity by not doing what you told him to do.
I know everyone on EMF, Blackshadow,sahib,Dr.exchanger,yasir,rishabh etc and i do exchanges there also.

Well yah they are all good people and they are all my friends.

Exchanging Bitcoins for PayPal funds is not illegal.  It may be against PayPal terms of service but then again so is having 6 PayPal accounts.
As for bitmit doing something illegal have you read their terms of service, you know the terms you agreed to upon signing up.

The 6 accounts are not owned be me as I stated,we own it me and my partners.
When 1 of us has the funds ordered by any customer he sends it and who ever got him the customer takes a portion of the fees.
I don't think you have a valid point about the TOS,I don't see anywhere in the TOS that says they would leak my info if someone requested it ?

Didn't you know the risks when trading Bitcoin with PP?

Also, I'm not sure where Bitmit is hosted but it'll be down to the country's laws as to whether releasing your information is illegal.

Sure, ethically it's bad but legally there might be no issue.

To be fair, it's a bit of a dodgy business that just gives away it's customer's information on request.

I knew the risks,but would you ever think someone would trade with you and tell PP about bitcoin ?
Its more like he was trying to throw his own money in the trash but he had to take me with him.
It just wouldn't make any sense and nobody would have doubted it.
About bitmit,I will just give it a shot,I don't know where it is hosted too.

Are you sure paypal is not just freezing the money for six months?

As for banning, yes it sux to get banned for life. Even people in your household won't be that easy to open another paypal account. With paypal gone so is your ebay account.

Use google checkout or dwolla for future/other transaction.


I know what you mean
You are talking about the accounts being limited and money would be able to withdraw after 180 days.
But this is a different issue sadly,since they have detected all of me and my friend's accounts with the same issue,they considered it as an insisting action to break their TOS so they did what they did.
We already exchange in many other e-currencies like Ukash/PSC/PM/MB/Neteller and more but we are sad for our loss.
Since the loss of our Liberty wasn't so much far from now,things getting worse :/
332  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: A report about Bitmit and I am gonna sue them soon on: July 12, 2013, 03:05:55 PM
Who said it will help him to get money back?
I said bitmit did right thing by giving info.

I don't really care much that bitmit leaked my information as much as the nature of it.

Bitmit is allowed to leak my Name/ip/phone maybe such info that are not much private.
But leak my full address ?
Thats something different.
333  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: A report about Bitmit and I am gonna sue them soon on: July 12, 2013, 03:02:28 PM
ًWe all know that its illegal but we still do it to make profit.

Why would he tell paypal that he sold bitcoins,its like trying to get both of us busted.
It just makes non-sense right ?

Sadly I am not allowed to reveal my name and my partners since we keep bitcoin away from EMF
So that other currencies we deal with wouldn't be affected with people in here.
But 3 of my partners are very popular there with threads of over 1k+ replies.
2 of them has been in this business for 3 years already.

And I guess you are right,maybe its my fault I dealt with a foreigner that doesn't understand English :/
I thought he could have used his brain to know he shouldn't have told paypal about bitcoins but he dealt with me for 7k$,so I didn't think he was dumb enough to do it ....
334  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: A report about Bitmit and I am gonna sue them soon on: July 12, 2013, 02:45:31 PM
Look bro first this that you did wrong is making 7 Paypal accounts, second mistake you did is storing 60k on paypal (who the hell stores that much money on pp).

If your accounts were verified with real info you will get money back otherwise not.

Bitmit did right thing by giving your details to him as some people sell stolen/illegal PP funds.

By the way,do you even know that FBI/NPA/Interpol or what ever it is in his country wouldn't help him get his funds back even if it was stole pp funds ? because he gave his bitcoins for an illegal exchange ? and that bitcoins can't be refunded even by the police ?

Do you think if it was possible to get money back for such exchange I wouldn't have sued him for getting paypal close my accounts ?
And all of my accounts were for me and my partners in business.
I didn't own them all alone,we are more than one in a small online corporate that exchanges between electronic currencies on exchangemoneyforums.
335  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: A report about Bitmit and I am gonna sue them soon on: July 12, 2013, 02:38:34 PM
Look bro first this that you did wrong is making 7 Paypal accounts, second mistake you did is storing 60k on paypal (who the hell stores that much money on pp).

If your accounts were verified with real info you will get money back otherwise not.

Bitmit did right thing by giving your details to him as some people sell stolen/illegal PP funds.
First thing
Bitmit has no rights to give full info to anyone without an FBI or a court order.
Read law a little bit more

Second thing,my paypal accounts were not limited,they were SHUT DOWN.
And I store 60k on my accounts because I been working in e-currency exchange for 2 years already.
So sometimes some people want big exchanges,it is not my fault that he knew exchanging paypal to bitcoins was illegal and he still told paypal he sold bitcoins ?
336  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: A report about Bitmit and I am gonna sue them soon on: July 12, 2013, 02:24:51 PM
"I am already talking to my lawyer" lol...did you guys discuss it over a snackpack at the cafeteria?

Cellphone ?
337  Economy / Service Discussion / A report about Bitmit and I am gonna sue them soon on: July 12, 2013, 02:17:30 PM
It started like this
A japanese guy bought paypal funds from me with his bitcoins through bitmit.
After a couple of hours paypal wanted to investigate the funds to make sure it wasn't use for anything illegal which is normal and happens all the time.
I told the japanese guy to tell them that he sold me anything so that paypal can remove hold of the funds which always works with any problems from this issue.
Instead the guy told paypal he sold bitcoins for these paypal funds .....
In the next day paypal shut-down 7 of my paypal accounts that had over 60k$ in them and they won't give me back to it.
I have warned the guy before that its illegal to exchange bitcoins for paypal and told me its allowed in japan WHICH IS A BIG LIE.
Now the guy want to sue me for not giving him back the coins,I don't know if he has a valid reason.
I have lost 60k$ because of him but I can't sue him because my funds were used for illegal exchanges so I can't get it back right ?
And it seems he can sue me for not giving him back his coins in an illegal exchange too ?.

And bitmit co-operated with that kid and gave him MY FULL INFORMATION/ADDRESS/EMAIL/IP.
Thats enough to sue bitmit for leaking my private information to a normal customer right ?

I am already talking to my lawyer,but wanted to share this with everyone to be careful with bitmit.
The japanese guy bitmit name is itsusony so be careful.
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339  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: [ANN] Scammer Hunter Released. No More Scam in this forum. on: July 01, 2013, 09:48:52 PM
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