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I had two A9 with 30% rejects, but found a solution. If you guys still have problems with rejects - drop me a pm. I can possibly help
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the ebay link has english section too...
Where is the english section? Hi, the auction text has an english section. Where are you from? In case you are located in France/ GB you will not be able to bid on this due to ebay restrictions.  |
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No paypal, no fun.
Using paypal or not is just the question: Who covers the risk... buyer or seller. I will not expose myself to any risk  |
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the ebay link has english section too...
my point was another ... see edit  |
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I like your post (especially business etics...) and dont want to comment on everything.
Just one thing: You quote "Paycoin is not a true crypto like X Y S" - Yes, maybe (only maybe) PayCoin potentially breakes some rules of traditional crypto, but still, I want to ask you why you think this is a bad thing?
Maybe PayCoin is exactly the vehicle the masses need to adopt. A leadership figure, a cult, a movement, a lot of sheeps who fight on all fronts driven by quite a few innovative heads. GAW has build a massive community by now backing up the coin and given they can master the technical challenges and have honest motives this thing can work out.
In the end, PayCoin has all features a crypto would need to succeed. I say 60/40 - which imho is enough to try. Will it work? I dont know, but to be honest, you can loose all your money in every single crypto out there, the reason why you loose it doesnt matter. Worth the try - Bitcoin failed to impress me lately, not enough drive
Thanks... The problem I have with ventures like the one being discussed in the fundamental flaw that seems to be overlooked in favor of some implied money potential - again legitimate or NOT. This fundamental flaw is the lack of true innovation under the guise of "marketed" innovation. Is a very old a basic marketing concept that was first reported as being used by the Romans and more recently (still 150 years go) by the traveling salesmen in the Wild West that had all the potions and cures to address any ailment. The video from Disney's "Pet's Dragon" that was posted a few pages back comically showing this process is actually pretty accurate. Be personable, find out what the customer longs for, build a community consensus, and sell them what they want using terms like "new", "innovative", "greatest in the world", etc; regardless if whatever being sold is real, fake, or actually holds a value. Basically, there is a psychology to this process and it is used both in commerce and by company leaders in the interaction with their employees. The college classes covering this are often called something along the lines of "Strategy, Change and Organizational Behavior Concepts". At any rate, PayCoin may come across as offering the world to whomever GAW/Zen claims is supporting it (a much smaller number than most would assume), but many of the claims made have not been realized and most likely will never be realized. GAW/Zen's past history is a good indication of this. Look between the lines, who is saying what on the GAW/Zen side, and most importantly, the past ACTIONS by those same individuals and the truth will surface fairly quickly. Scott- I agree with most of what you say except of GAW past history. They didnt deliver on everything they announced, but something like 60-70% which is more than most other companies in this area. You have also a point here - I could read between the lines and most probably would find anything I want (Maybe they didnt mine: We have no proof; Maybe PayCoin is centralized: We have no proof; Maybe there is no backing fund: We have no proof etc).... What I want to point out - PayCoin/ GAW has a big momentum now and this can have three possible outcomes: 1. Mass adoption of crypto 2. Failure and everybody looses everything (reason why it fails doesnt matter to me). This can also happen with every other coin/ business I build around a coin 3. Something in between For the slightest chance going no.1 I am happy to provide some support. Main "innovation" of PayCoin is the potential floor and a person who can mobilize masses. This was always the "knock-out" argument in every discussion I lead over the last years with different mainstream people/ businesses. They asked me: "When I buy a Bitcoin for 100$ today, who guarantees me it is worth 100$ tomorrow"? I always failed to deliver a satisfying answer for that. Average people need a transition period fiat->crypto where the value of their Coin is tied/ backed by a strong entitiy. GAW may be this entitiy. Bitcoin/ all others Cryptos until now lack an entity which brings a guaranteed value so that Bob can sleep @night knowing his hard earned money isnt endangerd by price swings - this is imho one of the main hurdles for mainstream adoption. That's under the assumption they care, which is highly doubtful. My guess is instead they'll abscond with the funds. But even if they do have the intention of following on this, I honestly don't think they can pull it off, too many people will start to succumb to doubts and start a selling cascade. Crypto will survive this. Easily. It's all about odds. We all try to push crypto to mainstream. This is just another try/ chance. |
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I like your post (especially business etics...) and dont want to comment on everything.
Just one thing: You quote "Paycoin is not a true crypto like X Y S" - Yes, maybe (only maybe) PayCoin potentially breakes some rules of traditional crypto, but still, I want to ask you why you think this is a bad thing?
Maybe PayCoin is exactly the vehicle the masses need to adopt. A leadership figure, a cult, a movement, a lot of sheeps who fight on all fronts driven by quite a few innovative heads. GAW has build a massive community by now backing up the coin and given they can master the technical challenges and have honest motives this thing can work out.
In the end, PayCoin has all features a crypto would need to succeed. I say 60/40 - which imho is enough to try. Will it work? I dont know, but to be honest, you can loose all your money in every single crypto out there, the reason why you loose it doesnt matter. Worth the try - Bitcoin failed to impress me lately, not enough drive
Thanks... The problem I have with ventures like the one being discussed in the fundamental flaw that seems to be overlooked in favor of some implied money potential - again legitimate or NOT. This fundamental flaw is the lack of true innovation under the guise of "marketed" innovation. Is a very old a basic marketing concept that was first reported as being used by the Romans and more recently (still 150 years go) by the traveling salesmen in the Wild West that had all the potions and cures to address any ailment. The video from Disney's "Pet's Dragon" that was posted a few pages back comically showing this process is actually pretty accurate. Be personable, find out what the customer longs for, build a community consensus, and sell them what they want using terms like "new", "innovative", "greatest in the world", etc; regardless if whatever being sold is real, fake, or actually holds a value. Basically, there is a psychology to this process and it is used both in commerce and by company leaders in the interaction with their employees. The college classes covering this are often called something along the lines of "Strategy, Change and Organizational Behavior Concepts". At any rate, PayCoin may come across as offering the world to whomever GAW/Zen claims is supporting it (a much smaller number than most would assume), but many of the claims made have not been realized and most likely will never be realized. GAW/Zen's past history is a good indication of this. Look between the lines, who is saying what on the GAW/Zen side, and most importantly, the past ACTIONS by those same individuals and the truth will surface fairly quickly. Scott- I agree with most of what you say except of GAW past history. They didnt deliver on everything they announced, but something like 60-70% which is more than most other companies in this area. You have also a point here - I could read between the lines and most probably would find anything I want (Maybe they didnt mine: We have no proof; Maybe PayCoin is centralized: We have no proof; Maybe there is no backing fund: We have no proof etc).... What I want to point out - PayCoin/ GAW has a big momentum now and this can have three possible outcomes: 1. Mass adoption of crypto 2. Failure and everybody looses everything (reason why it fails doesnt matter to me). This can also happen with every other coin/ business I build around a coin 3. Something in between For the slightest chance going no.1 I am happy to provide some support. Main "innovation" of PayCoin is the potential floor and a person who can mobilize masses. This was always the "knock-out" argument in every discussion I lead over the last years with different mainstream people/ businesses. They asked me: "When I buy a Bitcoin for 100$ today, who guarantees me it is worth 100$ tomorrow"? I always failed to deliver a satisfying answer for that. Average people need a transition period fiat->crypto where the value of their Coin is tied/ backed by a strong entitiy. GAW may be this entitiy. Bitcoin/ all others Cryptos until now lack an entity which brings a guaranteed value so that Bob can sleep @night knowing his hard earned money isnt endangerd by price swings - this is imho one of the main hurdles for mainstream adoption. |
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This vest wearing illiterate fool is making us look like idiots
Actually, the credit for that comes from within. Sorry to the people that didn't make money from this, LOL. But I can literally take the next 3 to 3.5 years off of work because of Paycoin. If you can sleep at night knowing where that $$ came from, good for you. Some of us who believe in and live by true morals and business ethics in the face of obvious Ponzi's and do not need the ill-gotten gains will do just fine with the money we actually EARNED in the crypto industry and not this GAW/Zen wannabe bubble they are attempting to associate with real cryptocurrency. See you in "3 to 3.5 years"...  Scott- ... you think you are ethical by saying that gaw paycoins are ponzi ?? ...i saw that you are a member here so ..i can`t help it tell you ... how can you say to us .. that gaw changed our life by bringing paycoins ... now i got a house and a bussiness thanks to gaw ... and thanks to paycoins i got money that i cannot spent in this 3 - 4 years ... and still making ... so you said to my that paycoin is not a crypto currency ... then what is it my friend ?? it exchanges like btc its trading like btc ... how can you tell me that i am being scamed with ponzi scheme  are u real ? ... i made roi 10 - 20 times what i invest and now i got bitcoins and paycoins that i CANNOT SPEND !! i am sorry to tell you but i have to many btc`s thanks to gaw and thanks to gaw i got so many paycoins that i dont even know what to do with them !!!!!!!! so ... please stop trolling PAYCOINS ARE MY LIFE PAYCOINS CHANGED MY LIFE PAYCOINS IS MY FIRST CRYPTO CURRENCY EVER ! This is why business classes, or at least some form of business ethics should be taught prior to graduating High School. In summary, just because something can emulate something else, doesn't make it real. Just because many think about the money (legitimate or NOT) more than the means at which that money was originally conceived, doesn't make the processes legitimate or real. The bottom line is for every dollar earned or spent, there must be an asset and/or liability accounted for that is tied to it. When there is no asset or liability, there is no true measure of profit on any perceived return(s). In other words, you can produce anything you wish, but if it doesn't represent anything of value, it is worthless regardless of one party finding another party who is gullible enough to pay something for nothing... get it? Yes, it all starts with GAW/Zen... followed by their blinded with greed supporters, and backed up by the exchanges who would rather make money than do the right thing... This is why there is still a long road of adoption ahead for the crytocurrency industry as a whole - to many unqualified entities not looking at the greater big-picture, thus damaging any progressions the industry has made thus far. Regardless of all this, it doesn't give anyone involved AFTER learning about GAW/Zen's true motives a free pass to continue or falsely profit on the backs of others. I exited when I saw the truth and have no regrets losing over 30% of my initial and sizeable investment. I hope you are enjoying some of that money that possibly came from others like me. I have built my multiple international businesses by following the rules and proving one can be successful by not skipping corners. Believing the same or not is your prerogative, but do not think for one moment you Mr. Garza's attorney (singular), or any other fan-boys will change the facts of what has and continues to take place. By the way, if you consider PayCoin your first crypto, try again. It is not a true crypto like BTC, LTC, or even Doge. Research how those came to be and how they are sufficient regardless of value and you will understand what makes a real crypto. Scott- I like your post (especially business etics...) and dont want to comment on everything. Just one thing: You quote "Paycoin is not a true crypto like X Y S" - Yes, maybe (only maybe) PayCoin potentially breakes some rules of traditional crypto, but still, I want to ask you why you think this is a bad thing? Maybe PayCoin is exactly the vehicle the masses need to adopt. A leadership figure, a cult, a movement, a lot of sheeps who fight on all fronts driven by quite a few innovative heads. GAW has build a massive community by now backing up the coin and given they can master the technical challenges and have honest motives this thing can work out. In the end, PayCoin has all features a crypto would need to succeed. I say 60/40 - which imho is enough to try. Will it work? I dont know, but to be honest, you can loose all your money in every single crypto out there, the reason why you loose it doesnt matter. Worth the try - Bitcoin failed to impress me lately, not enough drive |
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A) I bought most of my Zenminer hashpower early August when all this started and since then I got paid every single day. Not a single day missing, not a single payout was lower than expected. I bought their product, they paid me - no emotions here, nothing to discuss, no one at GAW ever scammed me by a single penny [...] D) I followed several public discussions on hashtalk.org where different people seriously challenged Josh Garza and his ideas. As long as people follow the basic rules of communication he is open for fruitful discussions. Calling hashtalk.org an overmoderated forum with no possibility to speak out openly is nonsense. For whom it may concern: Here you can see how I challenge Josh in public on hashtalk.org, I got tons of upvotes, we started discussing, but found no consense... life goes on. Guess what - I was not censored or downvoted or anything for attacking him openly. Just a normal discussion amongst people who exchange ideas https://hashtalk.org/topic/18215/zenpool-the-world-s-most-profitable-pool/21 (I am to dump to post that link, just scroll down to post 21) Because of A) you're quite obviously in a position that nobody who invested in October or later can ever be in. So you need to step back and look at it from that point of view if you really want a full picture. I appreciate what you're doing on HT. That doesn't change the fact that many users were banned for no obvious reason and many others are free to show disrespect and post off topic - the only two rules on HT, right? - without any consequences, depending entirely on "which side" they're on. That place is not healthy. Good for you that you found a way to survive it, however this should not be a prerequisite for a customer seeking answers or assistance. Okay here I really disagree, we don't know how the people that bought Zens in October are going to do. You just can't say yet that someone investing in October won't come out way ahead of someone that invested in Aug. at least with the Zens. In August the Zens were $21.95 and by Oct they were selling around $12 to $13 dollars. It the PayCoin is even only mildly successful the people that bought the cheaper Zens may actually come out ahead. Exactly - I do not own Zens - In case the ICO is a success people who invested in Ocotber or even early November are in a far better position than myself |
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Although a lot of you guys only honor facts, I still want to share some of my random experiences with GAW positive/ negative. I really feel we have to much black<->white thinking in this thread: A) I bought most of my Zenminer hashpower early August when all this started and since then I got paid every single day. Not a single day missing, not a single payout was lower than expected. I bought their product, they paid me - no emotions here, nothing to discuss, no one at GAW ever scammed me by a single penny B) I had several disputes/ tickets with GAW about technical problems, not working account fundings, not working withdrawals , Bug abusing etc.... Some of my issues got escalated to their top management. Sometimes we had tough discussions throwing legal threads around but in the end, we always found a fair and suitable solution for both parties. I stayed friendly but demanding in the heat, they stayed friendly and demanding and we could solve even the most muddy situations. GAW always acted very professional and generous on every single management tier. C) GAW announced a lot of stuff/features in their business plans and not all of them came to reality. This is true e.g. Primes where never able to mine SHA, Primes were never the "most profitable miner" etc etc..., a lot of cool stuff got lost on the road. People bought their products and got dissapointed I can understand that - they really did some mistakes here... .... BUT ~70% of their announcements came to reality and this is more than most other business plans can offer. Look at "business plans" in big cooperates. Leading managers always build unrealisitc cases to secure funds for their ambitious projects. Its sad but this is how it works. Like it or not - the guy with the "realistic" business case will never be able to turn anything into reality D) I followed several public discussion on hashtalk.org where different people seriously challenged Josh Garza and his ideas. As long as people follow the basic rules of communication he is open for fruitful discussions. Calling hashtalk.org an overmoderated forum with no possibility to speak out openly is nonsense. For whom it may concern: Here you can see how I challenge Josh in public on hashtalk.org, I got tons of upvotes, we started discussing, but found no consense... life goes on. Guess what - I was not censored or downvoted or anything for attacking him openly. Just a normal discussion amongst people who exchange ideas https://hashtalk.org/topic/18215/zenpool-the-world-s-most-profitable-pool/21 (I am to dump to post that link, just scroll down to post 21) E) I will not comment on whether GAW is mining or not. I just dont know it. There are no facts for/ against that Hope that helps some individuals in assessing GAW Nonsense? I was instantly banned and my post was instantly removed on HT when it was a repost of what rootdood wrote here about the Zenpool negotiations being final yet Josh was not going to reinstate higher payouts yet because he was waiting for a strategic time. So you are going to tell me that is nonsense. How dare you? And i speak for many many others that were banned for merely questioning GAW's methods and procedures. So do not come in here talking garbage just because you got away with a few posts over there. If you honestly believe it's nonsense you are quite obviously delusional. I am sorry what happened to you and/ or maybe others. I can only speak from my experience. I never got banned or censored for questioning GAW on hashtalk.org |
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Although a lot of you guys only honor facts, I still want to share some of my random experiences with GAW positive/ negative. I really feel we have to much black<->white thinking in this thread: A) I bought most of my Zenminer hashpower early August when all this started and since then I got paid every single day. Not a single day missing, not a single payout was lower than expected. I bought their product, they paid me - no emotions here, nothing to discuss, no one at GAW ever scammed me by a single penny B) I had several disputes/ tickets with GAW about technical problems, not working account fundings, not working withdrawals , Bug abusing etc.... Some of my issues got escalated to their top management. Sometimes we had tough discussions throwing legal threads around but in the end, we always found a fair and suitable solution for both parties. I stayed friendly but demanding in the heat, they stayed friendly and demanding and we could solve even the most muddy situations. GAW always acted very professional and generous on every single management tier. C) GAW announced a lot of stuff/features in their business plans and not all of them came to reality. This is true e.g. Primes where never able to mine SHA, Primes were never the "most profitable miner" etc etc..., a lot of cool stuff got lost on the road. People bought their products and got dissapointed I can understand that - they really did some mistakes here... they also rushed some updates producing way too much bugs .... BUT ~70% of their announcements came to reality and this is more than most other business plans can offer. Look at "business plans" in big cooperates. Leading managers always build unrealisitc cases to secure funds for their ambitious projects. Its sad but this is how it works. "Aim for the sun, land on the moon", Like it or not - the guy with the "realistic" business case will never be able to turn anything into reality D) I followed several public discussions on hashtalk.org where different people seriously challenged Josh Garza and his ideas. As long as people follow the basic rules of communication he is open for fruitful discussions. Calling hashtalk.org an overmoderated forum with no possibility to speak out openly is nonsense. For whom it may concern: Here you can see how I challenge Josh in public on hashtalk.org, I got tons of upvotes, we started discussing, but found no consense... life goes on. Guess what - I was not censored or downvoted or anything for attacking him openly. Just a normal discussion amongst people who exchange ideas https://hashtalk.org/topic/18215/zenpool-the-world-s-most-profitable-pool/21 (I am to dump to post that link, just scroll down to post 21) E) I will not comment on whether GAW is mining or not. I just dont know it. There are no facts for/ against that F) GAW is a startup on top of Crypto - Consider this a double high high high risk/ high reward investment. Get ready to loose it all or gain big Hope that helps some individuals in assessing GAW |
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Anyone is experiencing the restarting issue getting worse? Yesterday I had restarts every 2-3 minutes avgr. in ~200mhz for a Titan over a couple of hours. Today its not even running 10 sec. before restarting avgr. in ~50mhz for a Titan. On every pool I try. This is also independent from the count of Cubes connected? Looks you have one or maybe two faulty Cubes. With my Titan, I have done more than 50 tests (deductive replacing one piece of the system with another {cables, PSUs, connectors, cubes}) and now I'm sure I have one Cube which is responsible for all the BFGminer dumps every few minutes. If I only connect the 3 OK cubes, then I have no dumps at all (have ran it 5 hours). But replacing one of the 3 with the faulty one, or adding the faulty one to get a 4 cube system, results in dumping very frequently. I also see this error in BFGminer if the faulty is connected: "Fault to set work state (10)" {hundreds of those error prints}. This error isn't present if I work with the 3 OK cubes. Monday I will ask a RMA for that wrong cube. Thats a good hint - I tried a few more combinations - I am running now stable on 3 cubes with around 230mhz for ~30min without BFGMiner reset Edit: Can confirm, one cube is causing all the trouble |
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not sure if this matters with your power supply but are you using Y adapters?
No - I use the standard cables - was not prepared for additional cables. This may be the issue. Dunno - Thing is... yesterday it worked. Today not and nothing has changed in the setup... Are they overheat or something? Cables seem ok, Asic temp never reaches >50C (due to BFG Miner shutdown after few sec) Dunno whats wrong - even if I just plug in one cube with 50mhz BFGMiners restarts after 10 sec - lets hope for a quick firmware update. Right now I need to shut down the Titan - not worth running it |
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not sure if this matters with your power supply but are you using Y adapters?
No - I use the standard cables - was not prepared for additional cables. This may be the issue. Dunno - Thing is... yesterday it worked. Today not and nothing has changed in the setup... |
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Anyone is experiencing the restarting issue getting worse? Yesterday I had restarts every 2-3 minutes avgr. in ~200mhz for a Titan over a couple of hours. Today its not even running 10 sec. before restarting avgr. in ~50mhz for a Titan. On every pool I try. This is also independent from the count of Cubes connected? are you sure all cubes are working? Some tips for ppl who is setting up titan 1) ribbon cables got two side, they are not the same 2) sometimes the pcie slot might be fucked up, make sure to try every single spot on the controller 3) don't forget update the firmware to 1.02 4) you are able to use more than one psu to power them ( i am using 2-3 psu for one titan) 5) firmware is kinda unstable atm, using auto-switch pool might cause a 40% drop of hash ( not sure yet, but i am fine with WeMinerLtc ) Yeah - I saw your hints earlier and tried almost everything. 1) Cables are plugged in in the correct direction  2) All slots seem to work, I hashed >300mhz yesterday for a couple of hours (with reboots every 2-3minutes) 3) Firmware didnt correct the restarting issuw 4) I use 2x evga 750W, Power draw @Wall ~1300W 5) I tried every pool, so far only the pure litecoin pools work Thing is - I didnt change anything since yesterday - but now BFGMiner is restarting every 10 sec.... (----> which leads to an average hashrate of ~50mhz for the whole Titan) |
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Anyone is experiencing the restarting issue getting worse? Yesterday I had restarts every 2-3 minutes avgr. in ~200mhz for a Titan over a couple of hours. Today its not even running 10 sec. before restarting avgr. in ~50mhz for a Titan. On every pool I try. This is also independent from the count of Cubes connected? |
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OK, it's running now much better. I do about 160 Mhs with 2 cubes. I will run it this night, and connect the other 2 cubes tomorrow.
My earlier unstable results where caused by a multi-coin switching pool (that will not work nicely with a relative huge Worker). I'm now running on a Litecoin only pool and it's much, much smoother now.
Good news - keep us updated. Mine is here tomorrow. What PSU do you use? |
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Order just changed to "In Progress" - Order 193XX
Edit: Will let you know when this "Way to late & expensive 9000 EUR KnC Crap Pile" is at my doorstep
ditto i have your 'twin pile' in the states....so screwed Order just changed to "In Progress" - Order 193XX
Thats interesting. My order number is about 1k higher then yours and I am still on "paid". Fun fact: I paid in January (cancelled Neptune). I suppose you paid in March? What a fantastic consumer experience this all is, again the deluxe treatment for the early supporters. yeah mine was ordered in march as well...nothing still said paid as of last nite..i should prob dig up my frigging order number for this cuckoo egg being laid at my doorstep edit: addition mine is #210xx so not sure where that is in the scheme of things good thing is it doesnt matter when it arrives - one week more or less - output is so low you almost loose nothing  I almost didnt order the PSU - not worth it rofl! |
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Order just changed to "In Progress" - Order 193XX
Thats interesting. My order number is about 1k higher then yours and I am still on "paid". Fun fact: I paid in January (cancelled Neptune). I suppose you paid in March? What a fantastic consumer experience this all is, again the deluxe treatment for the early supporters. This is also a converted neptune, which I paid in nov 2013 |
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