shit asshole Just what I thought. You too belong to the selected group with a very unclean inner hygiene.  |
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You keep talking about abuse but you are failing to provide any proof of how this hypothetical abuse can prevent you from speaking out within the rules of the forum. A recent example can be found here. But there are plenty of other examples brought to the fore by others. But as soon as such cases are posted the established members tightly close their eyes, put fingers in their ears ears, and start stamping their feet, yelling; 'not true, not true, you cunt, motherfucker, shitposter'! There you go, free speech problem solved, you can keep shitposting. Let's tackle world peace next. I repeat that I am not against restriction of speech but against the abuse of the systems that are installed for that restriction. Is it on purpose or simple lack of intelligence that you seem to keep missing that point while I post it so explicitly? I am against the installing of special merit and trust powers at the subjectivity of a privilaged few members with lack of ethical disposition, who thus abuse those powers.
And ALL newbies are spammers, right? I don't lack ethics. You don't see me handing out large amounts of merits to people who are financially helpful to me, do you? Although I found your signature text suspicious I have not seen any disgusting abuse of trust or merit power by you. Thus you may feel non-included when I speak about "privilaged few members with lack of ethical disposition, who thus abuse those powers" and feel included in 'the privilaged few members without lack of ethical disposition, who thus don't abuse those powers'. But we all know to which respectless members I refer. Do you really want me to mention them one by one? They indeed treat all newbies as spammers and all non-friends as scammers, handing out negative taggs by the dozens, guilty or not. The reason I'm smiling along with TMAN is that I don't have to neg the shitposters anymore. I was never comfortable with using the trust system to do that, but as hilariousandco pointed out, it was one of the only weapons we had. I'm happy these days.
Nonsence. You've abused the trust system and loved it! Not to speak about the contempt and disrespect you show to other members with your faul language. You would definately be in the list of abusers I talked about above. |
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Merits may affect shitposters aiming at higher ranks. It's still not a free speech issue in any conceivable way. They can still post their shit. If we follow your fallacy we should just close the forum because any rules can be twisted this way. You contradict yourself. If merits affect what you deem 'shitposting' they are affecting free speech. Besides that you are totally missing my point. I am not against restricting certain modes of posting but against the abuse of the systems that are installed. I am against the installing of special merit and trust powers at the subjectivity of a privilaged few members with lack of ethical disposition, who thus abuse those powers. For example, you can still insinuate that I get paid for my signature and there is fuck all that merits can do about it.
Yes, I can insinuate that and it will not affect your forum possibilities because I have no super merit or trust power. But if one of the privileged members insignuates things about me it can, and often does, have consequences for my forum possibilities, even if the insinuations are not true. |
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The question was about merits, this being a merit-related thread. How does the merit system affect your speech? You can't seem to come up with anything so I think it's safe to assume that it doesn't. Does the merit system not affect the mode of speech on this forum at all according to you? Then you must agree that it is better to abolish it. For it was installed exactly with the goal to do that; affecting forum speech. If you know who's paying for my signature let me know. They seem to have missed a few years of payments.
Not all 'whoring out' of signatures has direct payments involved. |
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I didn't say "that the forum governance endorses freedom of speech" nor do I care. I just asked how is the merit system restricting your free speech, and it doesn't seem there is any restriction. You can still speak, you're not banned or otherwise "punished". What exactly are you still complaining about?
Lot's of members got punished. I got punished with negative trust for instance for speaking about ignorance of Lauda's scammy nature. However the Legendaries calling me a 'cunt' and a 'motherfucker' get away with it. Lots of members have been tagged negative for 'shitposting'. You don't call that punishment? Of course you don't care about it. You probably belong to the clique who get's away with everything. Most users seem to be more concerned about reduced ability to whore out their rank than actual positive uses of this new system.
You are whoring out your profile like anyone else with your signature, aren't you?
Uhm... what  The above. |
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How exactly is the merit system restricting your freedom of speech? You can still speak. May or may not get rewarded for it (if you consider merit a reward, which you seemingly don't, so that's even more confusing).
Edit: to answer OP's question - I'm rather ambivalent. Most users seem to be more concerned about reduced ability to whore out their rank than actual positive uses of this new system. Hopefully this will pass.
There are basically now two systems in (ab)use. The merit system is (ab)used as a reward and the trust sytem has been (ab)used already for a long time mostly as punishment. For some posts you are (theoretically) rewarded and for other posts punished. Of course you can post whatever you want, but you will get rewarded or punished. You cannot say that the forum governance endorses freedom of speech when not all utterances are treated equally. Of course in the streets of Pyongyang you are able to call Kim Jong-un a 'cunt' and a 'motherfucker', but that doesn't mean that North-Korea endorses freedom of speech. On your second remark: You are 'whoring out' your profile like anyone else with your signature, aren't you? |
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Wait... you want to ban people now for calling you names? Sounds like you don't want free speech at all. Just free speech for yourself to be able to do what you like but not others. People seem to love the freedom and laissez faire moderation here but then complain when somebody says something they don't like and staff don't intervene. You can't have it both ways. If people dislike or disagree with the way things are run here then they should protest with their absence and leave because that would be the strongest form of protest but we know they're not going to do that because this forum is too valuable to them, only it's now got a little bit harder to earn and that's the real root cause of all this frustration.
Someone advocating full freedom of speech should not whine about low quality postings but welcome it as freedom of speech too. Supporting the merit system which in theory (but not reality) is meant to exclude a certain mode of speech means also supporting the limitation of freedom of speech. And someone considering 'I like your project' as low quality posting but 'cunt' and 'motherfucker' as high quality has seriously some loose wires. I further explained to you before that I am supportive of the freedom for all and not the full freedom of a few restricting the freedom of many. It is that which I find frustrating, the unequality of freedom, not the difficulty of moving up. |
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Problem i didn't opened that thread.It was somebody else.
And of course i'm pissed about the massiv abuse of Lauda and his/her group which i make now public.
I gave them 24h to fix their abuse.
I gave them a choice and once the 24h is over i'm going to make it massivly public how Lauda is abusing and scamming people.
And the diffrence between me and him or her is that i make it the offical and legal way buy posting everything public and most important sending massivly traffic to it so people can decide themself based on evidences who is right and who not.
It has a reason why so many people complain about Lauda and his or her group and why she or he got kicked out from staff before
Once time passed you will see what is going to happen and at the end i can bet all ITO's where he/she manages bounty will be officaly asked for a statement.
The king/queen will have to step down trying to calm everything down but it will be replied with the same behavior everyone else got
I really wish you could make that happen Thule. Futile or not, like my postings, I support you for the full 100% in it. After all it are not the results that matter the most but the braviour to take a stand for truth. |
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Actually the only fair step for introducing the merit system would have been to reset all ranks with it, even if higher level ranks probably will not agree here, because they think they deserver more then lower ranks because they are here longer then others. But this is just an excuse to give them more rights over lower ranks. It's like being in politics where governments are doing what they want just because they got elected before.
It's something like that. I've been requesting the forum owner to think over what type of governance he wants on this forum. Apparently he likes the olichargic / police state system best. |
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Hey so I have a question
A couple days ago I had 500 merit, but now I have 1002 merit but in merit history I only got 2 merit from a person.
How did I gain 500 merit?
Do you happen to be on good terms with Lauda, actmyname, The Pharmacist, etc.? Kissing up to them? Then such things easily happen. And you don't even need to post quality content for it. |
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This merit system is in favor to those who are popular. This is just a popularity contest. The more you have friends the better. I pity those who have no friends here and i suggest to make friends. If you cannot do that better find another way to accumulate altcoins or bitcoin. Trading would be a good alternative one or you could also join bitcoingarden. I never had an account there but there are good feedback about this forum and planning to make an account there.
Thanks for the suggestion. I've been looking for alternatives. |
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If I may correct your word. This new system called merit point is a great system for all of us who want to be better.
This is a forum, a place to gather and talking about a specific topic (which is cryptocurrency). This forum doesn't prohibit you from earning money by joining in a signature campaign, but the forum needs to make sure that everyone has a standard quality of a good poster. So if you still want to make some money from this forum, you better step up your game rather than barking about the system. There will be no easy money in this world !
Newspeak! "All of us who want to be better". The selected few are getting worse! I've been called names from cunt to motherfucker and a whole lot more by members with more than a thousand merits, only because my contentual posts are not agreed upon. You call that 'quality'? With proper moderation they'd be banned for it. In fact there is 'easy' money to be earned in this world, but it is reserved for a few respectless abusers! |
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I think the new system is a bad idea. I really don't think people will give out much merit at all. Even if you write the most amazing post, you probably wont get merit. Most people don't have any to give either. I think it will end up with almost everyone not advancing and people with lots of merit will probably sell it for money to people. All in all not a good system.
It's not intended to be a good system for all but to be a good system for a few (whose names most of us know). |
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Its clearly the attempt to take full controll by a small group which destroyes everyone who won't consent their BS.
Basically the control was already there through the trust system abuse. The merit system only tightened the grip. |
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The most annoying thing about the merit system is not the system itself (even if - as it is conceived - in my opinion it is destined to die in a few weeks) but the arrogance of the Legendaries that - after having done hundreds of insignificant posts for the sole purpose of level up - now that they are protected, come to tell you "Make good posts and you will see that you will grow too"
And then they also ask you why you're ever interested in going up!!!
To me it would be enough that we could give a demerit for the past posts - and in this way the Legendaries could be send donw - and we would begin to understand each other.
This is not envy, it would create just a little balance
Anyway, I tell you what will happen: the various stars of the group - with a thousand points to spend - will create a group of disciples to grow, totally under their control. Tribal way.
Magnificent post! Thank you for your contribution! The idea of demeriting high ranking members downward especially appealed to me, if we're going to use a merit system anyway. |
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Dena just checked the post because Lauda is abusing again massivly
and all i can say always the same people involved to defend this scam.
I will spread the word and give you some trust back since they try hard to discredit us with their only weapon.Tomorrow lets see what kind of trust level they will have
Thanks for being on the side of honesty and fairness. I always appreciate such stances. |
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Trust moderation doesn't exist, by design. Call it as you like. Tagging negative is a form of punishment with which only a couple of members are installed. Nowhere in the forum rules does it say that you cannot scam people. There are no 'trust instructions', there are guidelines. Guidelines that were written in a time where spam wasn't such a big of an issue. Guidelines that are just advice, not rules. I like your comparison of the trust system with scam. For which it in the present situation is used. I can absolutely agree that tagging isn't the best way to do it, and I hope that these taggings will decrease as the merit system finds it's feet. However, when left with no other option, the worst one sometimes becomes the best. That's easy talk from your comfortable position. Accounts of members who did nothing wrong are pointlessly destroyed and they are treated in a very respectless manner. Often a lot of time and efford have been spent in such accounts. I have spoken with members on Telegram who actually cried for it. They were positively engaged in normal forum activity and they did nothing wrong. I really can't understand how so many members support such harsh abuse and destruction. |
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Most bounty campaign managers do nothing other than pay for this spam... that's if they even have a manager at all and most of the alt coin campaigns don't. They accept anyone and pay for anything and that's why the forum is such the shitshow that it is.
The trust moderation is a shitshow. Nowhere in forum rules or even trust instructions is negative tagging related to post quality. It has nothing to do with trustability. Such taggings are abuse. |
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Just because a campaign manager can decide upon someone's post quality doesn't mean that they do. If campaign managers could be trusted to do their jobs then this forum wouldn't have had anywhere near as bad of a spam problem, however (in some cases) they cannot.
It is not upon anyone else but the project management to decide about the pay worthiness of a post. This has nothing to do with trust anymore but everything with destroying people's accounts just for subjective morbid reasons. |
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