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241  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][Datacoin] Next step: web applications inside blockchain (demo) on: February 11, 2014, 10:03:10 PM

>>ideas
>>invented

where is your coin?


>invented system for exploiting corporate IP
>don't want to go to jail
>write paper
>post paper online
>let anonymous developer make the ideas
>become early adopter

profit and win!!

it gets better...
>patent pending
>used to prevent non anonymous development or use
>prevent large companies from using the coin
>large companies have to choose: use the coin and get sued by me or get perpetually owned by my intellectual property exploit

Hilarious!!
242  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][Datacoin] Next step: web applications inside blockchain (demo) on: February 11, 2014, 09:59:23 PM
On the Lumsden Economy, Nemesis Contract, and Timeline of Uploads
A Peer-to-Peer Electronic Cash and Intellectual Property System

Donal Lumsden
dlumsd1@lsu.edu

Intro
    A large feature of any economy is currency or a medium of exchange.  Currency is traditionally based on something of relative scarcity in order to maintain value.  Gold has been used as a basis for currency due to its intrinsic value and scarcity.  One criticism of gold backed currency is its inelasticity.  Government currency offers elasticity at the price of potential corruption.  Governments create artificial scarcity of their currency by limiting the supply in order to allow the currency to retain value.  As a result, users of government currency must have faith that the government will keep the supply of currency low.  Satoshi Nakamoto made an innovation for alternative, digital currencies by relating the introduction of new Bitcoins to the scarce resource of computational power through an intractable problem.  In this paper, another scarce resource is proposed for the basis of digital currency: innovation.  Rather than basing digital currency on proofs of work, the author proposes basing digital currency on proofs of innovation.

Hypothesis for Current Intellectual Property Practices
The author asserts the hypothesis that monetary compensation of an entity for generating intellectual property is governed on average by the following equation:

M = N*e^(A*N)

Where M represents monetary compensation
N is an integer representing the number of people involved in the organization
A is a constant > 0

The author asserts that this hypothesis is a logical conclusion of an entity’s ability to utilize an exploitive strategy in a competition to win a zero sum game, government granted monopolies.  The author proposes that if this equation is true, then this represents an unbalanced strategy in intellectual property.  By definition, an unbalanced strategy is exploitable.  A balanced strategy would be of the form:

M = N*e^(A)

The Lumsden Dilemma
    If the proposed hypothesis is valid, a certain intellectual property dilemma occurs as a result: the Lumsden Dilemma. The Lumsden Dilemma is summarized as such: compensation for innovation is important for economic advancement, but the end result of a government intellectual property system is to remove the necessity of compensation paid to innovators. The Lumsden Dilemma is dependent on the Lumsden Hypothesis; the more employees under contract in an organization, the more undeserved compensation that organization will receive through a government intellectual property system.  As a result, the most lucrative strategy for an organization is to be the largest organization.  
     A valid Lumsden Hypothesis results in an economy with a few massive organizations rather than a large number of smaller organizations.  Once the outcome of few large organizations has been achieved, these organizations can offer less and less compensation to their innovative employees, because financial compensation is largely dependent on the organization’s size rather than the innovations produced by the organization.  Once a certain threshold has been surpassed, the vast majority of profits attained through a government intellectual property system can be allocated to share holders and non innovative employees, rather than the innovators themselves.  

Description of an Intellectual Property Game and Strategy to Combat the Lumsden Dilemma

Description
The object of the game is to have more value than your competitor at the end of the game;
2 entities (EA, EB) are in direct competition;
Each party has a file (FA, FB) with respective values (VA, VB);
EA has a number of employees NA;
EB has a number of employees NB;
Once a constituent has been exposed to a message there is no way of proving the removal of the message from the constituent;
Public disclosure of a file (F) results in the loss of the associated value (V) for the controlling entity (E);

Strategy to Combat the Lumsden Dilemma
Competing parties are allowed to pay a competitor's constituents to publicly disclose a message through the use of anonymous payment methods;
Constituents can publicly disclose a message without risk through the use of anonymous internet access;
If a message is disclosed, the chance a given constituent disclosed the message is 1/N where N is the number of constituents exposed to that message;
Constituents make decisions based on the options with the highest expected value governed by the equation:

EV = Σ (i --> n) of [Pr(i) * Incentive(i)];

Result of Proposed Strategy with Game: The smaller the ratio of 1/N, the more likely an entity will have a file publicly disclosed by an employee to collect the reward;

The Lumsden Economy
    The use of original disclosure of an innovation as the basis for currency has the potential to transform a capitalist economy.  Deemed the Lumsden Economy, the value of the currency in circulation will scale on a 1:1 ratio with the value of innovations disclosed by citizens of the economy.  This solves the problem of an inelastic money supply, by allowing the value of outstanding coins in the system to grow proportionately to the growth of the economy.  The use of original disclosure of innovation as the basis of currency gives Lumsden’s Currency intrinsic value in the form of useful information.  Implementations of a novel intellectual property and currency system are utilized to provide incentive for economic growth through innovation.  This new intellectual property system is designed with open source file sharing in mind, while retaining value for innovators through the network effect.  Such a system should align with the future of manufacturing: distributed production by micro factories such as 3D printers.
 
The Nemesis Contract: A Smart Contract for Uploads
    A proposal of the Ethereum Project is the creation of a turing complete block chain, meaning any program could be coded and executed within a block chain.  As a result, many types of contracts could be developed, along with many iterations of an essentially similar contract.  The proposed Nemesis Contract produces a cryptographic currency specific to a file upload, and allocates a percentage of that currency X% to the uploader(s), and the rest (100-X)% to a network of seeders who provide access to the file and prevent file deletion, censorship.
 
Upload-Specific Crypto Currencies, A Variation on “Colored Coins”
    Inventors or uploaders submit files to a cryptographic ledger, forming a timeline of files.  Upon the upload of each file, an upload specific currency is generated.  The number of upload specific coins generated per upload is fixed.  X% of these upload specific coins will be transacted to the uploader(s) over time while (100-X)% will be transacted to seeding miners over time.  The author is proposing a crypto currency backed by the intrinsic value of files submitted by a network of uploaders, a new type of P2P currency miner.
 
Potential Method for Creating Value for Upload Specific Currencies
    To provide incentive for users to both seed and upload files in exchange for an upload specific currency, that currency must have some scarcity.  One way to drive scarcity is through advertising revenue.  By hosting advertising slots in a region specific to an upload, and selling advertising rights through auctions of the upload specific currency, there will be demand for that upload specific currency as long as there is demand for upload specific advertising.
>I don’t believe this is necessary. In my opinion, the information has intrinsic value without forcing advertising to be sold in upload specific coins
 
Uploader’s Logic
    The threshold for file uploading is dependent on the value paid to the uploader and the cost of uploading the file.  If the information of the file is worthless then uploading the file to the system will be a waste of the uploader’s time and payment for uploading, limiting reclaimed and frivolous claim submissions.  A small fee could be charged to the uploader to prevent the upload of small value files and spam uploads.  In general, it is good practice to keep this fee as low as possible to prevent giving an advantage to rich uploaders, whose information may not be any more valuable to the economy than a poor uploader.  Paying the uploader a fixed fee would create a fundamental inefficiency in the system as an upload’s value would drop due to an incentive to submit poor claims for the reward, hence the use of upload-specific currencies.  
 
Randomly Generated, Randomly Mutating “Timeline of Uploads”
    The block chain for such a system becomes a randomly generated, randomly changing sequence of uploaded information.  New uploads add information to the end of the timeline of uploads.  Elimination of the seeding network for an upload results in the redaction of the complete file from the “Timeline of Uploads” leaving behind only a hashed version of the uploaded file.

Vested Coins for Uploader
    One potential contract would pay upload specific coins between the seeding network and the uploader in a 1:1 manner. Rather than giving 50% of all potential coins outstanding immediately, the uploader’s coins are vested over the life of the seeding process.
 
Seeding Miners
    Seeders are paid with inflation of upload specific currencies for the uploaded files that they seed.  Seeders provide a decentralized network of storage and hosting.  The value of such a network is related to its ability to survive an attack and its ability to provide the content to other users.
>Proof of storage miners may be used with the main goal of preventing censorship and deletion of the upload, then users who want to view content can separately negotiate a price for downloading the file based on the price of bandwidth usage, supply and demand.  
 
Conclusion
    The aforementioned system of currencies intends to directly monetize the creative process.  The system of currencies intends to bring equality to intellectual property markets by providing incentive for transparency and compensation for open sourcing information.  The system of currencies intends to provide incentive for uploaders to publish files.  The peer-to-peer intellectual property system intends to maximize the efficiency of the economy by allowing free markets to competitively value novel claims in the form of uploaded files, by giving the ability to claim inventions to a larger population such as people who can’t afford filing fees/enforcement of a patent, by allowing claimers to be rewarded for pseudonymously publishing claims such as trade secrets of an employer, by providing incentive to publish ideas of ingenuity immediately rather than after years of government deliberation and patent filings, by removing government bureaucracy from intellectual property, and by removing the need for lawyers in order to receive compensation for ideas.

References
Satoshi Nakamoto, “Bitcoin: A Peer to Peer Electronic Cash System.” https://bitcoin.org/bitcoin.pdf
John F. Nash Jr., “Ideal Money and the Motivation of Savings and Thrift.” http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Je22xKQekCk
Vitalik Buterin, “Ethereum: A Next-Generation Smart Contract and Decentralized Application Platform.” http://www.ethereum.org/ethereum.html
243  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][Datacoin] Next step: web applications inside blockchain (demo) on: February 11, 2014, 09:44:39 PM
datacoin = bitcoin + bittorrent ?

Eventually, yes, something like that.  


Quote
lots of questionmarks/problems
-the links to private files in the blockchain will become obsolete over time so fast and they can not be removed as a blockchain is meant to be static.
-why the currency is built in the sharing system? (or vice versa) There is already decentralized sharing systems such as bittorrent working fine. If this datacoin is for file shares, I can already simply pay some service in bitcoins for providing me some torrent download link or something without datacoin (probably I won't need to pay anything for downloading a torrent but let's assume it is rare and I do). How different/better datacoin is than this solution?

I understood that links can be updated/redirected in subsequent transactions. Personally I am not too worried about the hygiene of the blockchain.  

Datacoin is superior because it is decentralised and uncensorable, and there wil be an incentive to share files (the nodes will be paid).  All in the blockchain.  Combining bitcoin and bittorrent forces you to use a centralised service.

You should wait for the developer (oocook5u) to actually implement the private chains.  These ideas are so new that it will take some time for the implications to become clear.  I'm taking a 5/10 year view.




You are espousing ideas that I invented.  They are good ideas, but I haven't seen much indication from oocook5u that this is what is actually going to happen. 

Furthermore,  where can I find a graph of Datacoin's inflation rate?
244  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][Datacoin] Next step: web applications inside blockchain (demo) on: February 11, 2014, 09:41:30 PM
Ultimately the blockchain will only have metadata - keys, torrents, links etc.  The actual data will be in private chains on the nodes.  So Datacoin will become almost like a distributed file sharing service.  With a built-in currency to prevent leeching - the nodes will be paid to serve up the data.

It would be nice to hear this from the developer himself.  I would love if this were actually going to happen. 

The idea that all data will be stored on a single chain and mined by lots of people, not knowing what could be on the chain, defies logic.  Most people do not want to risk getting arrested just to receive some credits inside a computer. 

Also, I would like to hear the developer comment on changing storage payments from a payment made to the miners to a proof of burn.  Without this, the claim that "data coins have intrinsic value" is completely misleading. 
245  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Open Source Intellectual Property System/Exploit Whitepaper on: February 09, 2014, 09:29:32 PM
your idea is creatable,and useful for all people,
hope you do it good
i'm sure more people will intrested in

thanks
246  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Open Source Intellectual Property System/Exploit Whitepaper on: February 09, 2014, 06:54:57 AM
what are you talking about?  

Satoshi's currency is based off of computers solving cryptographic problems.  My idea is to base a currency off of people solving actual problems.  Please clarify your claim that I am increasing the centralization of power and using corporate fascism.  

I am proposing an intellectual property system that directly competes with the IP system made by the government, how is that fascist?

I don't wanna spam up your thread with argument, would rather see what some other people think before I post anything else.  Just promise me if you make it, you call it "EugenicsCoin", with the phrase "Cull the Stupid" underneath.

I would enjoy a debate.  Argue away.  
247  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Open Source Intellectual Property System/Exploit Whitepaper on: February 09, 2014, 06:42:09 AM
its outlining a digital economy.  In some ways I would agree.  It is clearly disconnected from real world, because the entire economy exists within cyber space.  

A movie created about a world using this currency would have the phrase "useless eaters" mentioned at least 9000 times.

I'm not quite sure what you mean by this, but I think I have a clue.  I believe you do not foresee how incentive for innovation will promote the growth of ideas and technologies that feed many people.  

I am not a socialist or a nazi.  I am a capitalist.  I have proposed a way to split up the wealth dependent on a scarce resource that is not money or even "physical world" resources.  
248  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Open Source Intellectual Property System/Exploit Whitepaper on: February 09, 2014, 06:29:42 AM
will it be ipo?pow?

This is a good question. 

I see a need for a constant inflation rate for the non-upload specific currency, while upload specific currencies have a fixed number of total possible coins outstanding. 

It could be POS or POW.  That's really a question for the tech guys.  I believe either one could be used. 

Unlike any other currency, the main way to mine is by uploading valuable information.  If you want to make money as an early adopter, you could upload songs, movies, inventions, books etc. 

Of course, you could also make money through money (POW mining if used, purchasing IPO shares, mining as a seeder)
249  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Open Source Intellectual Property System/Exploit Whitepaper on: February 09, 2014, 06:16:40 AM
its outlining a digital economy.  In some ways I would agree.  It is clearly disconnected from real world, because the entire economy exists within cyber space.  

Yea, which is why it's confusing you would release something like this while using Satoshi as a source of reference.  His work clearly focuses on breaking up centralization of power, while this paper appears to increase it, while tossing in a little corporate fascism into the mix for the hell of it.  It's literally vomit inducing the level at which you're trying to play God over people's lives here.

If you're going to create a currency, you probably shouldn't make one unless you would be happy with the results if it replaced the dollar.  This currency succeeding would create a dystopian nightmare.

what are you talking about?  

Satoshi's currency is based off of computers solving cryptographic problems.  My idea is to base a currency off of people solving actual problems.  Please clarify your claim that I am increasing the centralization of power and using corporate fascism.  

I am proposing an intellectual property system that directly competes with the IP system made by the government, how is that fascist?
250  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Open Source Intellectual Property System/Exploit Whitepaper on: February 09, 2014, 06:07:47 AM
This may be the most ivory tower solution to a centralization of power issue I've ever seen.

its outlining a digital economy.  In some ways I would agree.  It is clearly disconnected from real world, because the entire economy exists within cyber space. 
251  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Open Source Intellectual Property System/Exploit Whitepaper on: February 09, 2014, 05:38:44 AM
On the Lumsden Economy, Nemesis Contract, and Timeline of Uploads
A Peer-to-Peer Electronic Cash and Intellectual Property System

Intro
    A large feature of any economy is currency or a medium of exchange.  Currency is traditionally based on something of relative scarcity in order to maintain value.  Gold has been used as a basis for currency due to its intrinsic value and scarcity.  One criticism of gold backed currency is its inelasticity.  Government currency offers elasticity at the price of potential corruption.  Governments create artificial scarcity of their currency by limiting the supply in order to allow the currency to retain value.  As a result, users of government currency must have faith that the government will keep the supply of currency low.  Satoshi Nakamoto made an innovation for alternative, digital currencies by relating the introduction of new Bitcoins to the scarce resource of computational power through an intractable problem.  In this paper, another scarce resource is proposed for the basis of digital currency: innovation.  Rather than basing digital currency on proofs of work, the author proposes basing digital currency on proofs of innovation.

Hypothesis for Current Intellectual Property Practices
The author asserts the hypothesis that monetary compensation of an entity for generating intellectual property is governed on average by the following equation:

M = N*e^(A*N)

Where M represents monetary compensation
N is an integer representing the number of people involved in the organization
A is a constant > 0

The author asserts that this hypothesis is a logical conclusion of an entity’s ability to utilize an exploitive strategy in a competition to win a zero sum game, government granted monopolies.  The author proposes that if this equation is true, then this represents an unbalanced strategy in intellectual property.  By definition, an unbalanced strategy is exploitable.  A balanced strategy would be of the form:

M = N*e^(A)

The Lumsden Dilemma
    If the proposed hypothesis is valid, a certain intellectual property dilemma occurs as a result: the Lumsden Dilemma.  The Lumsden Dilemma is summarized as such: compensation for innovation is important for economic advancement, but the end result of a government intellectual property system is to remove the necessity of compensation paid to innovators.  The Lumsden Dilemma is dependent on the Lumsden Hypothesis; the more employees under contract in an organization, the more undeserved compensation that organization will receive through a government intellectual property system.  As a result, the most lucrative strategy for an organization is to be the largest organization.  

     A valid Lumsden Hypothesis results in an economy with a few massive organizations rather than a large number of smaller organizations.  Once the outcome of few large organizations has been achieved, these organizations can offer less and less compensation to their innovative employees, because financial compensation is largely dependent on the organization’s size rather than the innovations produced by the organization.  Once a certain threshold has been surpassed, the vast majority of profits attained through a government intellectual property system can be allocated to share holders and non innovative employees, rather than the innovators themselves.  

Description of an Intellectual Property Game and Strategy to Combat the Lumsden Dilemma

Game Description
The object of the game is to have more value than your competitor at the end of the game;
2 entities (EA, EB) are in direct competition;
Each party has a file (FA, FB) with respective values (VA, VB);
EA has a number of employees NA;
EB has a number of employees NB;
Once a constituent has been exposed to a message there is no way of proving the removal of the message from the constituent;
Public disclosure of a file (F) results in the loss of the associated value (V) for the controlling entity (E);

Strategy to Combat the Lumsden Dilemma
Competing parties are allowed to pay a competitor's constituents to publicly disclose a message through the use of anonymous payment methods;
Constituents can publicly disclose a message without risk through the use of anonymous internet access;
If a message is disclosed, the chance a given constituent disclosed the message is 1/N where N is the number of constituents exposed to that message;
Constituents make decisions based on the options with the highest expected value governed by the equation:

EV = Σ (i --> n) of [Pr(i) * Incentive(i)];

Result of Proposed Strategy with Game: The smaller the ratio of 1/N, the more likely an entity will have a file publicly disclosed by an employee to collect the reward;

The Lumsden Economy
    The use of original disclosure of an innovation as the basis for currency has the potential to transform a capitalist economy.  Deemed the Lumsden Economy, the value of the currency in circulation will scale on a 1:1 ratio with the value of innovations disclosed by citizens of the economy.  This solves the problem of an inelastic money supply, by allowing the value of outstanding coins in the system to grow proportionately to the growth of the economy.  The use of original disclosure of innovation as the basis of currency gives Lumsden’s Currency intrinsic value in the form of useful information.  Implementations of a novel intellectual property and currency system are utilized to provide incentive for economic growth through innovation.  This new intellectual property system is designed with open source file sharing in mind, while retaining value for innovators through the network effect.  Such a system should align with the future of manufacturing: distributed production by micro factories such as 3D printers.
 
The Nemesis Contract: A Smart Contract for Uploads
    A proposal of the Ethereum Project is the creation of a turing complete block chain, meaning any program could be coded and executed within a block chain.  As a result, many types of contracts could be developed, along with many iterations of an essentially similar contract.  The proposed Nemesis Contract produces a cryptographic currency specific to a file upload, and allocates a percentage of that currency X% to the uploader(s), and the rest (100-X)% to a network of seeders who provide access to the file and prevent file deletion, censorship.
 
Upload-Specific Crypto Currencies, A Variation on “Colored Coins”
    Inventors or uploaders submit files to a cryptographic ledger, forming a timeline of files.  Upon the upload of each file, an upload specific currency is generated.  The number of upload specific coins generated per upload is fixed.  X% of these upload specific coins will be transacted to the uploader(s) over time while (100-X)% will be transacted to seeding miners over time.  The author is proposing a crypto currency backed by the intrinsic value of files submitted by a network of uploaders, a new type of P2P currency miner.
 
Potential Method for Creating Value for Upload Specific Currencies
    To provide incentive for users to both seed and upload files in exchange for an upload specific currency, that currency must have some scarcity.  One way to drive scarcity is through advertising revenue.  By hosting advertising slots in a region specific to an upload, and selling advertising rights through auctions of the upload specific currency, there will be demand for that upload specific currency as long as there is demand for upload specific advertising.
>I don’t believe this is necessary. In my opinion, the information has intrinsic value without forcing advertising to be sold in upload specific coins.  This does help to add definite value to the currencies.  
 
Uploader’s Logic
    The threshold for file uploading is dependent on the value paid to the uploader and the cost of uploading the file.  If the information of the file is worthless then uploading the file to the system will be a waste of the uploader’s time and payment for uploading, limiting reclaimed and frivolous claim submissions.  A small fee could be charged to the uploader to prevent the upload of small value files and spam uploads.  In general, it is good practice to keep this fee as low as possible to prevent giving an advantage to rich uploaders, whose information may not be any more valuable to the economy than a poor uploader.  Paying the uploader a fixed fee would create a fundamental inefficiency in the system as an upload’s value would drop due to an incentive to submit poor claims for the reward, hence the use of upload-specific currencies.  
 
Randomly Generated, Randomly Mutating “Timeline of Uploads”
    The block chain for such a system becomes a randomly generated, randomly changing sequence of uploaded information.  New uploads add information to the end of the timeline of uploads.  Elimination of the seeding network for an upload results in the redaction of the complete file from the “Timeline of Uploads” leaving behind only a hashed version of the uploaded file.

Vested Coins for Uploader
    One potential contract would pay upload specific coins between the seeding network and the uploader in a 1:1 manner.  Rather than giving 50% of all potential coins outstanding immediately, the uploader’s coins are vested over the life of the seeding process.
 
Seeding Miners
    Seeders are paid with inflation of upload specific currencies for the uploaded files that they seed.  Seeders provide a decentralized network of storage and hosting.  The value of such a network is related to its ability to survive an attack and its ability to provide the content to other users.
>Proof of storage miners could be used with the main goal of preventing censorship and deletion of the upload, then users who want to view content can separately negotiate a price for downloading the file from these miners or anyone holding the file based on the price of bandwidth usage, supply and demand.  
 
Conclusion
    The aforementioned system of currencies intends to directly monetize the creative process.  The system of currencies intends to bring equality to intellectual property markets by providing incentive for transparency and compensation for open sourcing information.  The system of currencies intends to provide incentive for uploaders to publish files.  The peer-to-peer intellectual property system intends to maximize the efficiency of the economy by allowing free markets to competitively value novel claims in the form of uploaded files, by giving the ability to claim inventions to a larger population such as people who can’t afford filing fees/enforcement of a patent, by allowing claimers to be rewarded for pseudonymously publishing claims such as trade secrets of an employer, by providing incentive to publish ideas of ingenuity immediately rather than after years of government deliberation and patent filings, by removing government bureaucracy from intellectual property, and by removing the need for lawyers in order to receive compensation for ideas.

References
Satoshi Nakamoto, “Bitcoin: A Peer to Peer Electronic Cash System.” https://bitcoin.org/bitcoin.pdf
John F. Nash Jr., “Ideal Money and the Motivation of Savings and Thrift.” http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Je22xKQekCk
Vitalik Buterin, “Ethereum: A Next-Generation Smart Contract and Decentralized Application Platform.” http://www.ethereum.org/ethereum.html
252  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] Ethereum: Welcome to the Beginning on: January 29, 2014, 06:18:37 AM

Could someone help clear the air? Assuming I invest 5 BTC, therefore receiving 10,000 ether, what is the worst/best case scenario after the release?

Sorry for the tangent!

I too would like to read an answer to this question.

worst case: total failure, no block chain, no ether returned, all fundraising money is gone!!! HAHAHA

duh man

and Vitalik steals your girlfriend.

I'm more worried about my ideas for contracts getting stolen. 
253  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] Ethereum: Welcome to the Beginning on: January 29, 2014, 05:32:40 AM
If you support Ethereum you are fired - both metaphysically and spiritually from humanity. You are no longer human in my eyes because you are directly slowing technological progression and costing millions of human lives in the long run.

Umm...millions of lives? So you somehow think that Ethereum is going to be the marathon holocaust and that you're saving it by firing those who are interested? That's like beyond Trump crazy.



I'm so happy to know that you troll threads other than my own
254  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] Ethereum: Welcome to the Beginning on: January 29, 2014, 05:30:39 AM
I have a LEGITIMATE QUESTION.  I haven't seen this addressed but I also didn't read everything. 

Traditional Proof of Stake mining means whoever has the most money gets the most inflation, paid out of transaction fees.  Considering the "Ethereum foundation" is starting with .5x, they will have a considerable advantage in this.  Who controls this foundation/website and where that money goes?  …because even the inflation from POS will be a considerable amount of Ether. 
255  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] Ethereum: Welcome to the Beginning on: January 29, 2014, 05:27:33 AM

Could someone help clear the air? Assuming I invest 5 BTC, therefore receiving 10,000 ether, what is the worst/best case scenario after the release?

Sorry for the tangent!

I too would like to read an answer to this question.

worst case: total failure, no block chain, no ether returned, all fundraising money is gone!!! HAHAHA

duh man
256  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Phantom Corp IPO - file sharing corporation, PATENT PENDING! on: January 26, 2014, 07:05:50 AM
Do you even realize how crazy you sound when you post all those messages like that....you seriously need to start taking your meds and lay off all the crazy drugs and people wouldn't be so quick to shut you down. I mean jesus, you're having a conversation with yourself now. It's embarrassing. Let's be clear about something -- you've never invented anything outside of your crazy head and a TXT document with doodles, you don't own any patents, you most likely can't afford a lawyer since you can't even afford to move out of your dad's house in the bay, and you most certainly won't be getting anyone's money here. Why do you think anyone is going to be any more interested than the first time around, especially when you do skitzo shit like the above wall of posts you made talking to yourself. It's weird and almost borderline creepy. And all you do is talk about how "the man" or "the system" has you down, and you think sitting on a internet forum talking about ....whatever it is the fuck you talk about, is going to change that? You are lost.

Which ward did you escape from, really?

I will make a prediction for you:

In less then 2 years, there will be a total armageddon for government based intellectual property.  Is it possible that you would like to delay this outcome to save yourself money? 
257  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Phantom Corp IPO - file sharing corporation, PATENT PENDING! on: January 26, 2014, 06:53:22 AM
Do you even realize how crazy you sound when you post all those messages like that....you seriously need to start taking your meds and lay off all the crazy drugs and people wouldn't be so quick to shut you down. I mean jesus, you're having a conversation with yourself now. It's embarrassing. Let's be clear about something -- you've never invented anything outside of your crazy head and a TXT document with doodles, you don't own any patents, you most likely can't afford a lawyer since you can't even afford to move out of your dad's house in the bay, and you most certainly won't be getting anyone's money here. Why do you think anyone is going to be any more interested than the first time around, especially when you do skitzo shit like the above wall of posts you made talking to yourself. It's weird and almost borderline creepy. And all you do is talk about how "the man" or "the system" has you down, and you think sitting on a internet forum talking about ....whatever it is the fuck you talk about, is going to change that? You are lost.

Which ward did you escape from, really?

THANKS FOR KEEPING MY THREAD BUMPED.  IF YOU HAVEN'T NOTICED, ALL THE IMPORTANT INFORMATION IS IN THE FIRST POST.  PEOPLE HAVE TO READ THAT BEFORE SEEING YOUR STUPID TROLL REMARKS.  YOU ARE A MORON AND HELP MY IDEAS GET SEEN BY MORE PEOPLE. 

258  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Phantom Corp IPO - file sharing corporation on: January 24, 2014, 04:18:36 AM
A quick 5 second search on OP yielded these absolute gems.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=252564.0

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=253999.0

About the Author

     vintagetrex was the Xbox Live gamer tag of a 12 year old semi-professional Halo 2 player. Considered a prodigy by some due to his lack of online experience with Halo 1, vintagetrex was known for aggressive bxr combos and stylish head shots with the sniper rifle.  

     As an adult, the author has continued developing a unique skill set, including a freakish combination of logic and creativity.  The author's perceptual organization index tested at 99.7%, but he also draws immense creative inspiration from an onset of bipolar disorder.  

     After vintagetrex's first invention, which occured under the influence of LSD as an independent at age 19, he was forced into an unfair game dominated by corporate greed and lobbyists.  vintagetrex was crippled in his ability to promote his own invention due to the steep price of patent filings, legal fees, FDA trials, and getting non disclosure agreements signed.  All of these results stemmed from an intellectual property system claiming its sole purpose was the promotion of innovation.  Analyzing his own possibilities, he realized he had been thrust into a game where the only winning option was not to play.  "Write your inventions in a book and don't tell anyone about them."  The game had been made by greed to enslave young, creative minds; squeezing value out of them to boost corporate profits.  vintagetrex vowed to remake the game and turn greed against the oppressors of innovation.  He vowed to make big business the new slaves.  His creation was Anarcorp.  

Methinks one too many extinguished braincells lends itself to psuedologia fantastica in this case.  


Anyone else getting a strong The Talented Mr. Ripley vibe?  You know, minus the 'Talented' part....



You should know better and let this thread fall into the void where it was.

Wait a second… you're a promoter of anarchist money and yet you deride people for partaking in illegal activities such as illicit substances.  shame on you!!!!
259  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Ethereum: 2nd gen cryptocurrency with contract programming, "dagger" hashing on: January 24, 2014, 04:16:04 AM

I thought the IPO price was going to be $0.08 USD per ether?

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It doesn't matter whether the Ethereum people make it 10000 BTC per ETH or

If it doesn't matter then why did they increase the price from $0.08 to $0.82 ?

-B-

In one way it appears not to matter: "Oh well if we increase the price there will just be less ETH outstanding.  If we decrease the price there will just be more ETH outstanding"

The swindle here is subtle, and I am going out on a limb just theorizing how it will work:  There will be a fixed fee for transferring ETH just like there is with Nxt.  By increasing the price, the people with more ETH get more from proof of stake mining by way of transaction fees. 
260  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Phantom Corp IPO - file sharing corporation, PATENT PENDING! on: January 24, 2014, 04:05:32 AM
I just looked into V Buterin.  He seems to be a smart kid and know lots of stuff in computing.  He reminds me of myself when I was 19.  

I hope he recognizes the radical transformation block chain technology can bring to the economy.  It can literally restructure the entire economy and replace greed/corruption in innovation/development of new ideas.  This can be done by the complete exploitation of government intellectual property and corporatism.  If he hasn't already learned, I'm sure he will soon find out how corrupt the people surrounding innovation can be.  

The name of the game is this: "remove as much money from the inventor's pockets as possible and place it in your own pocket" (as a developer/investor/lawyer)

THIS MUST BE CHANGED.  

I remember when I was 19 and these people leading this one organization (Pumps & Pipes, a 'collaborative technology conference') wanted to uphold me as "young 19 year old genius inventor going to save the world."  

Its a marketing strategy.  Everyone likes to think of some young mind who will revolutionize the world.  While all that was going on, the organization was looting all the profits from my inventions behind my back.  When I tried to sue them, my dad who was involved with the organization got involved to step up the coercion.  Its always a bunch of bullshit.  

Sad

Sorry Vitalik, you're probably screwed.  You will understand the value of the decentralized intellectual property system soon enough!!! (once you realize the people upholding you as a "creative genius" have walked away with the money of your innovation stuffing their pockets)
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