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581  Local / Italiano (Italian) / Re: BITCOIN PUMP! on: September 25, 2019, 04:15:08 AM
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582  Local / Italiano (Italian) / Re: BITCOIN PUMP! on: September 24, 2019, 07:47:48 PM
We can change the name in bitcoin dump!
583  Local / Italiano (Italian) / Re: BITCOIN PUMP! on: September 24, 2019, 04:38:43 AM

 mettiamo che esca un computer quantistico,  mina tutti i btc rimanenti ( il 15%), comunque non prende il 51%. Nel 2020 si dimezzano anche i guadagni per le transazioni,  quindi non cambia nulla secondo me

Il pericolo non è dato dalla possibilità che un computer quantistico possa minare più velocemente di quelli tradizionali, ma dal fatto che consentirebbe di crackare l'algoritmo di criptazione a chiave pubblica che viene usato (tra gli altri) anche da Btc:

https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Quantum_computing_and_Bitcoin

In pratica potrebbero arraffarti in tempo zero i btc che hai nel tuo wallet  (ammesso tu abbia fatto alcuni movimenti).



Questo è da considerarsi, nel 2040 minimo, ma è da considerarsi, anche se 2^128 operazioni è un traguardo che difficilmente si raggiunge.
584  Local / Italiano (Italian) / Re: BITCOIN PUMP! on: September 23, 2019, 08:27:00 PM
che poi è un discorso che non serve a molto considerando che siamo a 18 mln di btc minati e restano 3 mln circa da minare

Non ho capito il collegamento tra btc minati/da minare con il potenziale pericolo dei computer quantistici verso il protocollo usato da Btc .... Huh


Notizia passata sotto silenzio ed offuscata dal lancio di Bakkt, ma oggi bitcoin fa il suo ingresso ufficiale nei mercati finanziari regolamentati per eccellenza: le Borse.

La borsa di Stoccarda lancia oggi il trading spot BTC/EUR , realizzando una partnership con la banca tedesca Solaris annunciata lo scorso dicembre.

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Trading began today on Boerse Stuttgart Digital Exchange (BSDEX), a fully regulated digital asset exchange under the German Banking Act, according to a statement. As of now, BSDEX is trading only one pair, the bitcoin-euro.

https://www.coindesk.com/germanys-no-2-exchange-launches-bitcoin-spot-trading


Non sapevo, molto interessante grazie.
Ma come avverrebbe la cosa?  non potresti comperare fisicamente Btc, capisco bene?  potresti solo "speculare" sulla coppia btc/eur comperando e rivendendo ma senza avere fisicamente Btc?  (chiedo perché non sono sicuro di aver capito )

Comunque sì, è un segnale importante anche perché davvero rappresenta l'ennesima porta che si apre, in Germania poi!



Ultima notizia, poi smetto giuro  Grin
Più che altro rischi che poi passi un mod e ti unisca i post visto che da regolamento sarebbero vietati post consecutivi. Parlo per esperienza perché mi è capitato  Grin



mettiamo che esca un computer quantistico,  mina tutti i btc rimanenti ( il 15%), comunque non prende il 51%. Nel 2020 si dimezzano anche i guadagni per le transazioni,  quindi non cambia nulla secondo me
585  Economy / Computer hardware / Re: [WTS]Asus GTX 1080 TI 11 GB turbo (eu only) + NVME 250 GB + RAM 4GB max24h offer on: September 23, 2019, 05:29:03 PM
Yes , it is possible. How is your offer?
586  Local / Italiano (Italian) / Re: BITCOIN PUMP! on: September 23, 2019, 04:23:31 PM
Comunque Google può affermare quel che vuole, ma restano affermazioni... finché non vengono fornite delle prove di risultati concreti frutto di queste ricerche. Altrimenti restano sullo stesso piano dell'ing. Rossi, che da oltre un decennio sostiene di avere inventato un reattore a fusione fredda, ma non ha mai voluto (potuto?) sottoporlo a validazioni scientificamente rigorose. In compenso è da allora che sta cercando di venderlo ovunque Roll Eyes

Hai ragione, però nell'altro link che avevo messo al #12836:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=313900.msg52517267#msg52517267

si dice che la tecnologia  nel 2019 è arrivata a
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As of 2019, the largest general-purpose quantum computers have fewer than 100 qubits, have impractically-high error rates, and can operate only in lab conditions at temperatures near absolute zero. Attacking Bitcoin keys would require around 1500 qubits.

meno di 100 non penso che intendano 5 o 6 ma penso intendano poco meno di 100 (ovviamente è una mia supposizione, lo ammetto).
E nemmeno possiamo sapere se ci sia riuscita Google o qualche altra azienda/ente di ricerca ma il fatto stesso che qualcuno ci sia riuscito mi fa riflettere.



la tecnologia riuscirà a stare al passo per tutelarci da questi nuovi computer quantistici?

Se parli di Btc sì, leggi l'articolo che ho linkato e nella parte finale si parla proprio di questo.
Il punto è: riuscire a sapere a quanti qubit sia arrivata la ricerca per non arrivare in ritardo a fare la modifica che interessa Btc.
Per questo è utile sapere dove siano arrivati, non certo per "fermare" questo tipo di progressi.



bene quindi pare che le chiavi dei bitcoin sono al sicuro per ora,questi super computer sono costosissimi ed hanno bisogno di condizioni particolari per funzionare(laboratori,freddo),e poi leggo che servirebbe 10 volte tanto almeno della potenza attuale...
che poi è un discorso che non serve a molto considerando che siamo a 18 mln di btc minati e restano 3 mln circa da minare
587  Economy / Computer hardware / Re: [WTS]Asus GTX 1080 TI 11 GB turbo (eu only) + NVME 250 GB + RAM 4GB max24h offer on: September 23, 2019, 04:23:11 AM
Would you sell only one GPU? And where are you shipping from?
yes, one gpu and other thinghs for this price. Shipping from Italy
588  Economy / Computer hardware / [WTS]Asus GTX 1080 TI 11 GB turbo (eu only) 500$ on: September 22, 2019, 05:26:56 PM
I want sell my last but best 1080 ti. If you are interested send me a pvt message.  Never overclocked,ever to 75%.
http://imgur.com/gallery/8ozGWyb pvt if you want other photos. Escrow accepted



589  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: GRAM COIN the new telegram coin Value in november? on: September 17, 2019, 07:45:29 PM
Given the results of the survey, I would say that I am not the only one undecided
I am also undecided if gram will really make any wave or not when it is being released because I am trying to find the product that it will Bring as relevant since they have never come up with any product that requires purchase other than to use it for chatting, and the chain system that I heard they are working on is not something that is new to us, and I don't see project developers getting attracted to it, and with list of their competitors that would be released into the market.

I think this coin will only be like the normal altcoins that we have in the market that will just be there, maybe during their own time, Facebook Libra will be like bitcoin, amazon like ethereum and this gram coin will be like ripple and I think that is the order of their popularity for now.
For Libra there is a big difference because every sponsor have invested 10 mlns (minimum) of dollars in this coin with a lot of investors and i think is the same for gram i think
590  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: GRAM COIN the new telegram coin Value in november? on: September 16, 2019, 06:03:32 AM
Given the results of the survey, I would say that I am not the only one undecided
591  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: GRAM COIN the new telegram coin Value in november? on: September 10, 2019, 05:56:06 PM
It's not about interest when they see the coins getting some popularity with the investors,
I'm sure there will be a ton of people wanting to buy it.
Consider it came from another big name company the Telegram,
it will become one of the top coins in 2020. anyway how much does it cost for 1 Gram?
consider that is a big company from 2 years i think, and the coin is started the 2018. can be a speculation this?
592  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: GRAM COIN the new telegram coin Value in november? on: September 10, 2019, 05:52:22 PM
Its an enigma at this point. I think it will do well in the long term, but right now it has a giant market cap and I doubt there will be enough demand to sustain those high prices after it lists. The market sentiment is not the best as well, so I am interested to see how it will perform in the first few days.
and this enigma can send people on scam way.
593  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: GRAM COIN the new telegram coin Value in november? on: September 10, 2019, 05:50:53 PM
Three anonymous anonymous Telegram investors said that if the cryptocurrency was launched, Telegram users could store coins in a Gram digital wallet. This digital Gram wallet is offered to more than 200 million users worldwide.
Unfortunately, it is unclear how the regulator will approve the telegram's crypto currency. Especially in the past, Telegram had a dispute with the government in his own country.
can be that telegram want to distribute the coins of the government of his hown country...
594  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: GRAM COIN the new telegram coin Value in november? on: September 10, 2019, 05:48:12 PM
The price will be pumped in few days after coin listing, so it would be better if you wait until price dumps back to atleast ICO price. Market is bearish for altcoins, so I am sure that this will happen.
it is quoted now, i think
595  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: GRAM COIN the new telegram coin Value in november? on: September 10, 2019, 06:33:35 AM
GRAM coin has started? Where can I buy it?
Hey, yes, it was released recently and not so many exchanges have accepted this token, as far as I know, bittrexchange com has it on the list, try this
bittrex exchange GRAM? Besure? Or programs to list?
596  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: GRAM COIN the new telegram coin Value in november? on: September 10, 2019, 06:30:18 AM
I am trying to imagine the value that Gram coin want to add. There are lots of talks about it, but no one seems to be talking about its core value. Well, it is still having the possibility of continuity than Libra coin. Although, I am not really interested in coins like this.
and you imagine on 4 usd or under 4 usd?
597  Economy / Exchanges / Re: Bittrex and 0,25 BTC of recovery fee. on: September 09, 2019, 11:10:43 AM
Ok, i lose just the nubits, don' t pay 0,25 btc,right?
Would you rather lose 0.25 BTC which is having a value of 2500$ at this market price than some altcoins whose total value in your account is less than 10 cents?

You can just ignore the email.
No doubt, 100%
598  Economy / Exchanges / Re: Bittrex and 0,25 BTC of recovery fee. on: September 09, 2019, 09:05:15 AM
Ok, i lose just the nubits, don' t pay 0,25 btc,right?
599  Economy / Exchanges / Bittrex and 0,25 BTC of recovery fee. on: September 09, 2019, 08:51:46 AM
I have received a mail with this text:To keep your tokens, you must withdraw your balance before Friday, September 20, 2019. Customers who do not withdraw their funds before this date will be subject to a 0.25 BTC recovery fee for each token they wish to have recovered. For additional information read the related support article at: https://bittrex.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/articles/115000961172 i have 0.00035255 NUBITS and i don' can withdraw, i must pay 0,25 BTC?
600  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: GRAM COIN the new telegram coin Value in november? on: September 08, 2019, 09:56:30 AM
It must be more than $4 from the early listing caused by the hype still around the gram token but im feeling doubt about the long term view to the gram coin consider about the fact that the team has been getting huge money from the market.
Remember this rule that applied in the market, more funding and less demand and less funding and more demand.
that means when there was a project that gets a lot of funding and that means if the team is robbing the demand of the coin from the market.

I do not think there will be something so big about it. It will take 1 big scandal or 1 big issue or 1 big ban,,, and then the token will fall dead. I guarantee early investors will make money from the FOMO everybody else will buy into it.

And definitely along with that Telegram's use will also fall.
i think all the revolutions pass through a big ban but after ?
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