Bitcoin Forum
May 05, 2024, 04:49:54 AM *
News: Latest Bitcoin Core release: 27.0 [Torrent]
 
  Home Help Search Login Register More  
  Show Posts
Pages: « 1 ... 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 44 45 46 47 48 49 50 51 52 [53] 54 55 56 57 58 59 60 61 62 63 64 65 66 67 68 69 70 71 72 73 74 75 76 77 78 79 80 81 82 83 84 85 86 87 88 89 90 91 92 93 94 95 96 97 98 99 100 101 102 103 ... 1224 »
1041  Economy / Economics / Re: Some Strategies to Face the Next Crisis on: July 02, 2020, 12:53:20 PM
The next crisis is going to be more serious so we all need to think about the future and save some More people will suffer from financial problems so I think it is better to invest in Bitcoin than to plant fruits.
Fellow member, this crisis is already far from over and you are already thinking about the next one? Such incidents occur once every 10+ years and thus you will get time to get ready, now is not the time to cut down costs but be diligent about how you will face problems that might come up.

Quote
Because the price of Bitcoin will go up if I buy it now, I will get double profit if the price goes up and I will be able to save something for the future Then we will be able to overcome this crisis very easily.
"Double profit" sounds like something that the ponzi scammers are going to post about, I expect better from you, at least. Maybe 20-30% or more gains if held for several years but the next crisis - nobody knows when and whether bitcoin use will be increasing in prevalence then

I'm not sure about double profits either

However, I wouldn't be surprised in the least if Bitcoin rose to 15k in a matter of days or weeks if it ever comes to that. If it crashed from 9k to 4k in a matter of days, it won't take long to add another 5k to its current price. Moreover, the longer Bitcoin sits around 9k, the stronger will be the future price action, as has always been the case in the past. So buckle up and get ready for the coming roller-coaster
1042  Other / Off-topic / Re: The Pun & Fun Thread on: July 02, 2020, 12:29:12 PM


With great power comes great electricity bill

I couldn't afford to pay my electricity bill in college. Those were dark times
1043  Local / Трейдеры / Re: Полезен ли обществу криптотрейдер? on: July 02, 2020, 09:31:39 AM
Моё мнение по этому поводу таково: я считаю, что трейдеры фактически своей деятельностью создают ликвидный рынок, что безусловно является благом для общества

Главное, чтобы человек был хороший

Если человек хороший, то не важно трейдер он или нет, поскольку деньги в хороших руках всегда в итоге пойдут на благо обществу, прямо или косвенно. Сразу оговорюсь, что не рассматриваю случаи, когда определенный вид деятельности напрочь исключает эту возможность в принципе (например, наркоторговля и Пабло Эскобар). На мой пристальный взгляд, трейдинг не попадает под такую деятельность
1044  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Physical Casinos Decoded : on: July 02, 2020, 08:35:59 AM

We only talk about legal casinos and only about legal methods of punishment. Naturally, they will hand over the violator of the law to law enforcement agencies

They can't arrest anyone

And thus they can't "hand over" anyone either. If they try to pull off that thing, they may end up a violator even if the fact of the collusion gets confirmed in the court. So, as long as we are talking about legal methods, all they can do is call the cops. And this is what happens when you call the cops in America

I don't know how it works in America. In my country, if you see a crime committed, you call the cops

This is likely the best course of action in almost any circumstances

You never know what's actually going on in a situation that you are a casual witness of. The point is, you may end up involved in the crime if you try to take justice into your own hands as had been the case with your example until you changed your stance. So if you call the cops and they do nothing, it is their problem from now on. If you don't, you may become complicit through negligence, i.e. not reporting
1045  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Physical Casinos Decoded : on: July 01, 2020, 09:58:26 PM
And who is to decide on what constitutes a conviction and what not, criminal or otherwise?

Right, it is the task for a court of law in any conventional jurisdiction. So it may or may not be enough, but no matter the circumstances and evidence, neither the casino nor the police can convict anyone on their own (unless we are in some dystopian future where "I'm the law"). Technically, in many jurisdictions police can give you a warning without going to court if you admit an offence, or impose a fine on you, which you are entitled to challenge before a court of law by claiming, for example, you were forced to make and sign the statement (or just want to throw a Hail Mary)

Only a court can convict a person, of course. However, the police or Prosecutor's office can evaluate the evidence and decide whether to open a criminal case. And whether there is enough evidence for a conviction

And this basically leaves out the casino

Which was the entire point. To sum it up, they can't arrest, convict, or punish anyone on their own (other than by firing them). All a casino can do is report on an employee who they think colluded with the gamblers. Indeed, this is only applicable to legal establishments as your adventures in an illegal one can end with a very different outcome (pun intended), both as a player and as a dealer (if it comes to that)

We only talk about legal casinos and only about legal methods of punishment. Naturally, they will hand over the violator of the law to law enforcement agencies

They can't arrest anyone

And thus they can't "hand over" anyone either. If they try to pull off that thing, they may end up a violator even if the fact of the collusion gets confirmed in the court. So, as long as we are talking about legal methods, all they can do is call the cops. And this is what happens when you call the cops in America
1046  Economy / Economics / Re: Bitcoin can never become a currency. Part 2: reward distribution. on: July 01, 2020, 05:53:07 PM
Which is otherwise known as Gresham's Law. People will save Bitcoin and spend fiat, with bad money driving good money out of circulation under your hypothetical circumstances
I heard Gresham's "law" is for commodity money with intrinsic value, like tobacco. Mr. Free to choose said (sorry, I forgot the link/source) in the past tobacco was widely used in the US as money, and in the end, people spent the low-quality tobacco and saved the high-quality tobacco. This behavior droves out high-quality tobacco out of circulation

It is the effect that counts here

And this effect is present even when two fiat currencies are competing against each other that don't have any intrinsic value (other than transnational utility). You may argue that it is not Gresham's Law, and you would probably be right, technically speaking. However, if there is such a thing or phenomenon as "bad money driving good money out of circulation" (irrespective of the form of money, i.e. whether it is sea shells, hard currency, fiat, or whatever), we have to deal with it somehow and give it a name
1047  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Physical Casinos Decoded : on: July 01, 2020, 04:57:22 PM
And who is to decide on what constitutes a conviction and what not, criminal or otherwise?

Right, it is the task for a court of law in any conventional jurisdiction. So it may or may not be enough, but no matter the circumstances and evidence, neither the casino nor the police can convict anyone on their own (unless we are in some dystopian future where "I'm the law"). Technically, in many jurisdictions police can give you a warning without going to court if you admit an offence, or impose a fine on you, which you are entitled to challenge before a court of law by claiming, for example, you were forced to make and sign the statement (or just want to throw a Hail Mary)

Only a court can convict a person, of course. However, the police or Prosecutor's office can evaluate the evidence and decide whether to open a criminal case. And whether there is enough evidence for a conviction

And this basically leaves out the casino

Which was the entire point. To sum it up, they can't arrest, convict, or punish anyone on their own (other than by firing them). All a casino can do is report on an employee who they think colluded with the gamblers. Indeed, this is only applicable to legal establishments as your adventures in an illegal one can end with a very different outcome (pun intended), both as a player and as a dealer (if it comes to that)
1048  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Physical Casinos Decoded : on: July 01, 2020, 09:46:03 AM
If it is established that the player and the dealer colluded. Wouldn't that be considered fraud?

Who established that, the casino?

If so, they don't even need an investigation into the matter, as in this case they can be the law unto themselves as well as the law enforcement agency. If we are talking about legal institutions, though, the fact of collusion can only be established in the court of law after the plaintiff reveals all of their evidence to that effect and the judge finds this evidence convincing and sufficient

The security service may find that the dealer deliberately lets a particular player win. This will be recorded by surveillance cameras. Various adaptations can be found.
Casino employees will call the police, provide them with video footage, physical evidence, and witness statements.
If collusion fraud took place, wouldn't that be enough for a conviction?

And who is to decide on what constitutes a conviction and what not, criminal or otherwise?

Right, it is the task for a court of law in any conventional jurisdiction. So it may or may not be enough, but no matter the circumstances and evidence, neither the casino nor the police can convict anyone on their own (unless we are in some dystopian future where "I'm the law"). Technically, in many jurisdictions police can give you a warning without going to court if you admit an offence, or impose a fine on you, which you are entitled to challenge before a court of law by claiming, for example, you were forced to make and sign the statement (or just want to throw a Hail Mary)
1049  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Las Vegas Casinos are open - end of the Pandemic era. on: June 30, 2020, 07:40:05 PM
Correct usage would be to wear glasses with the mask, not breathing in the virus but having it exposed to the eyes is going to result in an infection.   

LOL, face with glasses and  mask at the poker table in Las Vegas casino, can not imagine that

Would it help guy to win? Being such equipped he will remain  impermeable not only  to  virus but to glances of the  opponents gambling on cards

The phrase poker face picks up a whole new meaning

60 years old and above or those who we can consider senior citizens should not be allow to go to gambling sites and play, the gambling casinos should not allow that, they have no choice but to play at home, old guys who have been playing in casinos for a long time will badly miss playing but they have no choice but to follow the protocols

Well, it is not just about 60-year-olds

People with chronic illnesses can fall prey to the virus as easily. Realistically, we don't know beforehand how any single individual is going to respond to the infection and whether he will pull through at all. 100 years ago the Spanish flu had been killing the healthy young people, which would be unfathomable if we didn't know that it was not the flu that was killing them (their own strong immune system had been the culprit)
1050  Economy / Economics / Re: High prices mean even higher volatility on: June 30, 2020, 06:21:49 PM
In other words, I do not think that high price can also cause high volatility as a product is likely to be volatile under all conditions regardless of price

You don't want to say that volatility will stay the same at 100k as it is now with prices below 10k, do you? Indeed, I don't mean absolute values (as in dollars) but relative terms (as in percentages). When the price rose to 20k, did it stay there? Nope, and far from that. Or did it stay above 15k for long, both on the way up and on the way down? Not in the least

But that's it, volatility as it is
1051  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Futures trading on: June 30, 2020, 03:16:39 PM
bitmex is highly manipulated, last time bitcoin hits $9200 on all exchanges, on bitmex it went straight to $8900, that's $300 difference, liquidation and hunting of stop loss at its peak, I use binance and I'm cool with it

I agree that Bitmex is a shady exchange

But all cryptocurrency exchanges are somewhat shady, even the regulated ones. So you can take advantage of the continual price manipulation going on there. Basically, it is possible due to insane leverage up to x100 on that exchange (as far as I know) as it is primarily aimed at squeezes, both long and short. Just don't be leveraged to the degree you can't withstand these squeezes, and still better get ready to ride them when they come
1052  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Physical Casinos Decoded : on: June 30, 2020, 10:41:41 AM
If it is established that the player and the dealer colluded. Wouldn't that be considered fraud?

Who established that, the casino?

If so, they don't even need an investigation into the matter, as in this case they can be the law unto themselves as well as the law enforcement agency. If we are talking about legal institutions, though, the fact of collusion can only be established in the court of law after the plaintiff reveals all of their evidence to that effect and the judge finds this evidence convincing and sufficient
Here is one case in the Philippines wherein the card dealer was colluding with his friends and has raked a total of 5 million PHP or roughly $100K. They did some investigations, and then called NBI (local FBI) and the police made the arrest on the casino floor itself

It actually proves my point

That many casinos are a law unto themselves. You wouldn't really be surprised to find out that a casino is oiling local police's palm, would you? I wouldn't, either. Anyway, you intuitively expect such things from these extremely shady operations. Legally speaking, it is the police who should do the investigations, and then a judge should order an arrest warrant. Indeed, there are different jurisdictions with different laws (as well as lack of any, while we are at it), but then we are back to square one, i.e. walk away from brick'n'mortar casinos and spare yourself a lot of trouble
1053  Economy / Economics / Re: Bitcoin can never become a currency. Part 2: reward distribution. on: June 30, 2020, 07:06:42 AM
You basically assume that the fiat currency would depreciate due to increases in money velocity, but how can it increase if people won't be spending their bitcoins? In other words, you set up mutually exclusive initial conditions, i.e. explicitly asserting that people will hoard bitcoins and implicitly assuming that they are going to spend them. Then you proceed to draw an impossible conclusion, which is Bitcoin destroying fiat. However, in that case you wouldn't even need Bitcoin as any fiat should quickly deteriorate on its own for just being inflationary. You see, there are huge holes in your reasoning

No, you just didn’t get it right. I did’t not refer to the overall “money velocity.” We have two separate monetary supplies: fiat and BTC, each with its own metrics. Currencies are exchanged at a market rate (there is no legal tender law setting a hard ratio.) Under such conditions, the demand for the fiat currency will tend to the spending side, while the demand for BTC will tend to the saving side. This disproportion will lead to the increase in velocity of fiat’s circulation, which will start a hyperinflation feedback loop ultimately leading to the extermination of the fiat currency

And how's the "demand for Bitcoin to the saving side" is going to hurt fiat?

Moreover, the conclusions you arrive at should hold true even without Bitcoin. According to your assumptions and premises, any fiat currency should quickly collapse just because it is inflationary as inflation causes an increase in money velocity, the latter pushes inflation rates even higher, and the hyperinflation death spiral sets in. But it doesn't happen in real life unless the government goes nuts with printing money, and then it is just hyperinflation caused by excessive money printing that has little to do with changes in money velocity

Under such conditions, the demand for the fiat currency will tend to the spending side, while the demand for BTC will tend to the saving side

Which is otherwise known as Gresham's Law. People will save Bitcoin and spend fiat, with bad money driving good money out of circulation under your hypothetical circumstances
1054  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Physical Casinos Decoded : on: June 30, 2020, 06:32:44 AM
If it is established that the player and the dealer colluded. Wouldn't that be considered fraud?

Who established that, the casino?

If so, they don't even need an investigation into the matter, as in this case they can be the law unto themselves as well as the law enforcement agency. If we are talking about legal institutions, though, the fact of collusion can only be established in the court of law after the plaintiff reveals all of their evidence to that effect and the judge finds this evidence convincing and sufficient
1055  Economy / Economics / Re: An interesting case of a widespread misconception on: June 29, 2020, 09:03:45 PM
I did not omit anything as my post quotes the exact line you claim I omitted

That's your reply which makes sense only in a deflationary context:

As I said, when there is high unemployment, companies have no incentive to continually raise wages, and so at least in the short term wage inflation tends to be lower, leading to overall inflation also being lower

Thereby, you are describing a situation which doesn't usually happen in inflationary circumstances. Since your post included a citation of my post which describes a different situation (specified earlier), it should be obvious that you failed to understand the correct context

workers have faced real terms wage stagnation or decreases, and high unemployment contributes to low wages - rather than taking issue with the way they were presented then please do

So you agreed the wealth that simple people created during the discussed period of 20 years have been stolen from them. Now, you have to admit that without this rip-off real wages should have been outperforming inflation as per OP, and all in all should follow the increase in productivity

but if you can't stand someone disagreeing with you without making it personal and throwing out insults, then I have no desire to continue this discussion

If you come to think of it this way, then you are free to leave as no one is forcing you to reply here or elsewhere (read, there's no need for crying out loud)
1056  Economy / Economics / Re: An interesting case of a widespread misconception on: June 29, 2020, 07:59:24 PM
Inflation contributes to higher employment (again, in general). Conversely, deflation (which preceded the Great Depression) and low inflation contribute to higher unemployment.
And you have not read what I have written. We are in agreement here.

As I said, when there is high unemployment, companies have no incentive to continually raise wages, and so at least in the short term wage inflation tends to be lower, leading to overall inflation also being lower

So you didn't even think that I was talking specifically about the inflationary environment, did you? Here's the part which set it straight and which you either intentionally or by neglect chose to omit:

First, inflation reflects the price growth (as per definition), and the latter in general means that a given company starts to sell their goods and services at a higher price

Then, you just took some part of my post completely out of context, and then tried to challenge it in a different context, i.e. in the context that I specifically excluded from consideration (deflationary environment). Aside from that, I also said "in general" and even went to great lengths to emphasize that for those who don't read and don't care about the context. Obviously, it didn't help. But what could I actually hope for?
1057  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Physical Casinos Decoded : on: June 29, 2020, 06:01:58 PM
We should not rule out the possibility that it is just a myth

However, I wouldn't be surprised in the least if casino employees could be discharged if something like that happened in real life. You wouldn't really expect someone to win jackpot three times without leaving the table, would you? So the dealer shouldn't have let the gambler go on playing after his second jackpot even if for the simple reason there was something wrong with the odds of whatever game was being played. When you think about it, it kinda makes sense to stop the game at once to look carefully into what might have gone wrong

In one of the casinos where I visited, a barmaid told me that they can fire a dealer just because of one suspicion that he is playing along with a client. And if the fact of cheating is proved, then the employee will also face criminal prosecution

I don't really think it makes up a criminal offence

More likely, the casino could demand financial compensation according to civil law, and the dealer could do essentially the same if he thinks their claims are unfounded and unjustified. In other words, it is a dispute between two parties to be resolved in a civil court, and there is no crime which would entail criminal investigation, proceedings, etc, and inflict punishment on the dealer according to criminal law if proven guilty
1058  Other / Off-topic / Re: The Pun & Fun Thread on: June 29, 2020, 05:21:47 PM


There's a rumor about butter but I won't spread it
1059  Economy / Gambling / Re: WOLF.BET - $500 Daily Race! 30% Rakeback! DICE with the best autobet mode on: June 29, 2020, 04:51:36 PM
It's kinda sketchy but I think its just a suggestion but who know if wolfbet would give that since there are so many factors needed to consider before this to be happen, and giving a little token of rewards is much highly appreciated by the top wagerers and for sure it will stick the bond to play and stay on this site

But what kind of reward do you expect?

There's already a few levels of rakeback for heavy gamblers. Why does no one other than myself talk about it? I think this is the kind of reward any reasonable gambler should hope for. If someone expects they should be given a financial reward (like 1000 dollars per every million wagered), it is too much, bordering on ridiculous. As another poster asked, what if you won from the casino, would you seriously expect something else added to your profits?
1060  Economy / Economics / Re: An interesting case of a widespread misconception on: June 29, 2020, 04:29:39 PM
First, inflation reflects the price growth (as per definition), and the latter in general means that a given company starts to sell their goods and services at a higher price (to whoever it may concern, please note the use of the phrase "in general"). In turn, that typically translates to an almost automatic increase in wages (though with a certain lag depending on the production cycle of the company)
The table you shared on the previous page directly contradicts this point. As a company starts to sell their goods and services at a higher price, and therefore their gross income increases, then it is the top 10% - the directors, the executive, the board, the upper level management - who see their wages grow. Everyone else, the bottom 90%, including middle managers, line managers, and all the workers, see wage stagnation

So you agree that top management had been stealing from simple people since 1970's and through 1980's? Good

Then, good companies take particular care that it never comes to the point when their labor force "might not want the job anymore", for the simple reason if they didn't, someone else would. The implication is that employers are vitally interested to keep wages on par with inflation.
We are on track for levels of unemployment not seen since the Great Depression. There is no incentive for companies to keep real wages increasing. Their workforce will be reluctant to leave since most would be unable to find a new job, and any vacancy they do have will likely have dozens of applicants

That's because you don't read what I write

And thus can't understand the point I'm trying to make. Inflation contributes to higher employment (again, in general). Conversely, deflation (which preceded the Great Depression) and low inflation contribute to higher unemployment. This is a well-known tendency confirmed by numerous examples. So if employers are to raise wages, this is more likely to occur in an inflationary environment, and therefore the latter is actually not without its benefits and advantages for simple workers, in terms of both jobs and wages
Pages: « 1 ... 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 44 45 46 47 48 49 50 51 52 [53] 54 55 56 57 58 59 60 61 62 63 64 65 66 67 68 69 70 71 72 73 74 75 76 77 78 79 80 81 82 83 84 85 86 87 88 89 90 91 92 93 94 95 96 97 98 99 100 101 102 103 ... 1224 »
Powered by MySQL Powered by PHP Powered by SMF 1.1.19 | SMF © 2006-2009, Simple Machines Valid XHTML 1.0! Valid CSS!