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1  Economy / Economics / Re: Vatican & Bitcoin on: March 21, 2012, 12:28:41 PM
Seems like they want to implement something that is already available, aka. Bitcoin. Funny how the keep missing this important piece of information. One would think its a godly intervention  Cheesy

    Of course they wanna cut, this is standard operating procedure for Catholicism. You are aware that Gutenberg came from a family of ecclesiastic minters, right? Basically, the idea at the time, was that any gold that hadn't been "purified" by the papacy was impure and not fit for the hands of a stock sinner commoner. They had to spend lots and lots of time to come up with enough golden soul saving coin, so that they'd have a decent furni setup in heaven. It's the same game played by the SS/Treasury, video 'game' card vendors, and copyright dealers.

    To summarize RAW, "How come the mob can print a higher quality dollar bill, but the US Treasury gets to wave a magic wand over theirs and make it golden? Who falls for that shit?" -- I personally believe that the US Treasury is more then excited to watch, observe, and eventually integrate any technology that proves itself. I'm somewhat surprised that they haven't issued a statement or arranged a house committee on the subject already. They get free stuff to make their job easier, BTC stakeholders will know to come to a hearing on the subject and should be more then able to handle themselves. These problems and grievances should be aired in a public forum. There will be a generic showing of 'the old guard,' who will be mocked by young representatives, and revered by the older ones; but in the end, a high quality trading system in a free market will prevail (I know I"m certainly not the judge of that, if I were, I'd be taking a 1% tax in 'indulgence fees' on all your backs).

    While I do think it is important for people to be able to interact with token economics trading without endless validity concerns, and they should be able to voluntarily invest in third & fourth party authentication of their tokens, I am unsure how I'd feel about that being a major political, breeding and food bank decision maker. Not only did the printing press create massive waves of literacy across the planet (the first self replicating machine, some say); it began interstate trade as we know it. People were no longer bound to their township salvation dealers for the eucharist. This has happened many times with decent paper, and continues to this day. The biodiversity issues in the gene pool alone should have been enough to get the monotheists to stop controlling information flow (remember the plague?), but it has been shown time and time again that absolute power is nothing more then evil.

    The problems associated with a Papal Bank are exactly the kinds of problem that the Treasury would be mandated to stop, so any form of relationship between BTC and the 'pope' would be completely insane here in the US; I don't give a damn about the generic religious freedom response. As is, the only critique that, I believe, the US Treasury could possibly have regarding BTC is for out of country transfers; and we do need to decide if we want to continue to regulate trade with foreign partners after 70 years of world banking. We've passed laws against product dumping, for instance. We have given the powers of weights and measures to NIST (who is always welcome to feedback, I've found). If we want BTC to remain a completely 'free' currency, we will have to re-evaluate issues like this, because we're the ones paying to give the power to regulate... It may really only be worth maintaining for 'digital type' goods, because our average (very low) literacy rate is below the threshold of understanding that they cannot actually authenticate a value to a printed good. It would be like the IRS maintaining an Art Department... Oh wait, they just did, nm.

    Either way, we don't get to make any of those decisions when the only form of dispute resolution involves the use of panic from the unknown (fear of death). Or maybe God's just pissed because you memorized your privkey, made it past St. Peter, and were able to start waging your own wars on earth with Chance. It's simply never going to be a rational discussion, AND YOU'RE GOING TO HELL FOR MENTIONING IT.
2  Economy / Marketplace / Re: SkepsiDyne Integrated Node - The Bitcoin Mining Company on: March 21, 2012, 02:28:53 AM
I'm trying to forget !@#$%^&* Tawsix.

That's too bad. I think that the first guy to come in and professionally con a bunch of natives will naturally be remembered as an archetype or forefather of some sort; and should be! While I lost quite a few coin to the fellow at a time when the exchange was high, I might have in some way been charmed into forgetting what the market is really about, had he not come along. It was a proper pirate maneuver, for all we know he went off to become the Dread Pirate Roberts.

The Twasix Shuffle should be immortalized. As per the less popular definition of the word "con:"

Overview of verb con

The verb con has 2 senses (first 1 from tagged texts)
1. (1) victimize, swindle, rook, goldbrick, nobble, diddle, bunco, defraud, scam, mulct, gyp, gip, hornswoggle, short-change, con -- (deprive of by deceit; "He swindled me out of my inheritance"; "She defrauded the customers who trusted her"; "the cashier gypped me when he gave me too little change")
2. memorize, memorise, con, learn -- (commit to memory; learn by heart; "Have you memorized your lines for the play yet?")

As of this moment, I'm willing to put down 1BTC as a philanthropist over celebrating early realizations of recurring market mistakes. I'd prefer to see this done as an open sourced vector graphic. But until Nefario get's a proper "hot-seat" setup for executives in his market, I'm afraid I'm going to have to insist that the payment be held in escrow until "I'm Happy With It," and if we can get together a large enough collection of philanthropists together; we can tackle "art by committee" next!

I can see it now. "The Twasix Shuffle" -- Early 2015 Leninist Style ASIC Bitcoin Miner Artwork... --- The alternative is that this just remains the thread that never ends.

But server, if you absolutely insist on forgetting, then I have a very intriguing business proposal for you!  Shocked
3  Economy / Services / Re: Looking for someone to create/modify software for this forum [1100+ BTC] on: February 07, 2012, 08:10:53 AM
- An API or a NNTP interface.

I think that as many, many, many forum admins have done time and time again... You've just reinvented the functionality request of the uucp era internet, except with JavaScript instead of curses... Besides, everyone's good loot is in their browser, not their shell anymore. NNTP is great.

The daemons have handled a lot of abuse, and continue to. I believe someone created an "alt.bitcoin.test" already. The protocol is purely peer to peer, prima facie.

Hashcash to pull subjects and get content, coin or barter to post and be heard beyond your direct peers. Minimal cost for recycling of large chunks of previously delivered recent text along the path (quotes). The idea of focusing on HTTP is kinda silly, otherwise we might as well call it Layer 8. The should be the focus of a good protocol, not the display (imho).
4  Economy / Marketplace / Re: SkepsiDyne Integrated Node - The Bitcoin Mining Company on: October 19, 2011, 05:44:01 AM
I'm sorry our methods of conflict resolution do not jive.  But that's not my problem, and I'm not going to leave this thread just because you told me to.

It appears to me that in a pure market like this, the most wisest strategy is creating a hedge fund with a bounty contract on the head of the CEO. In the event of failure to execute, execution is made, or disbursements of hardware are done. Theft makes for death but giving the CEO a way to back out of a failed business via liquidation of assets and the hedge appears reasonable. IIRC, this is how the Pinkerton's began and how mining contracts were handled, in ye ole west. Auction houses.... etc.
5  Bitcoin / Mining / Re: FPGA boards are here on: August 24, 2011, 03:17:32 PM

I actually just got a Lattice Semi board, which is not the most ideal FPGA for SHA256, but it certainly does fit in the price point I have, and maintains a lot of flexibility for the FPGA deployment I want to do (more generalized, but with the free power I can get with FPGA deployments on private energy producers, it's important to be able to recontribute back some stuff). I'd rather have one that I can re-purpose for radio, PCI and ethernet easily for $99. I also was really happy to find an American made board delivered domestically, and in really legit packaging.

You may also want to consider looking at optimizing the SHA3 candidate cores released by the NSA, which might help you hedge towards a new future chain and (depending on where you live), maintain a domestic production economy for gear in the event of processor fragmentation into multiple chains across the planet. We'd do better taking FPGAs like this and putting them towards cracking Nagravision 2 and 3 (bottom line wise, anyhow).

I'm aiming on optimizing the newer SHA3 potentials (my current speculative guess for usefulness is, because with this much sha256 hashing power out there, alternative chains are going to emerge.

FPGA is cool for BTC, but everyone is kinda rusty. And the real way to finish the tail end on the BTC is getting a few thousand 5W chips on top of large solar and wind arrays. It's just gotta be able the bake in sun and heat.
6  Bitcoin / Mining / Re: What to do with mining rigs if you stop mining? on: August 24, 2011, 02:55:22 PM
I don't expect this to happen at anytime soon, and don't want to debate whether it will/won't happen, but hypothetically if BTC dies/tanks, it gets too expensive to mine or individuals just plain get sick of BTC mining, what other options are there out there to make use of all this computer equipment people have purchased for Bitcoin mining?

I know of a few other distributed computing projects like Folding@Home, BOINC and even GIMPS (CPU Only I think?).  All of these are volunteer and don't have any payback, other the prime searches having some possibility of getting a reward if you get lucky and find a new prime.

Does anyone know of any other distributed computing projects that all this mining gear could be put to good use for, volunteer or paid?

I'd actually recommend that you NOT join any of the projects where your donating your electricity costs to the government or pharmaceutical houses unless you have the biopunk / astro gear to back it up to be able to gain actual merit from your work.

When my network connectivity is down, or it's too hot to run the mines at full blast, I normally work on various software projects (n-gram / n-body natural language processing projects), trying to get the Lux rendering engine to behave better on OpenCL. I was fiddling with the some of the SHA3 contestants in GPU but swapped that over to FPGA.

There's not a ton that's interesting that will benefit you directly unless you're ready to do a little programming. PyOpenCL may be a good place for you to start with this.

There's some decent paper tree dollah to be made using hashkill for lawyers in discovery if you find the right one. Physics modeling if you have any

I think there's still some black market 3d protein folding work out there as well, but it's been awhile since I've seen any offerings. Pays okay, but will pay off much better when the goals are achieved.

Oh, and there's quite a bit in the 2d art field, smart crop, rotate, watermarking of sales images.

That's all I got for ya off the top of my head.
7  Bitcoin / Mining software (miners) / Re: python OpenCL bitcoin miner on: July 20, 2011, 04:00:44 AM
Latest poclbm mainline breaks with the new difficulty!

To merge:
git fetch bugfix_difficulty_error && git merge FETCH_HEAD

If this saves you time and money, consider dropping me some bitcoin Smiley 1AgqndFUg2sDSxW8NbzPyHvUibW6FHqQeA

Once again, Luke Jr. saves the day.

Here's the patch for the actually curious:
--- a/
+++ b/
@@ -62,7 +62,7 @@ class Transport(object):

        def set_difficulty(self, difficulty):
                self.difficulty = difficulty
-               bits = '%08x' % (difficulty,)
+               bits = hex(difficulty)
                bits = bits[2:len(bits) - 1]
                bits = ''.join(list(chunks(bits, 2))[::-1])
                true_target = hex(int(bits[2:], 16) * 2 ** (8 * (int(bits[:2], 16) - 3)))
8  Bitcoin / Mining software (miners) / Re: Poclbm giving strange error -- my hardware, or Poclbm? on: July 20, 2011, 03:57:53 AM
It is happening to me but on one machine out of 3...... what's up?

Here's the bugfix:

Once again Luke Jr. saves the day.
9  Bitcoin / Mining software (miners) / Re: Poclbm giving strange error -- my hardware, or Poclbm? on: July 20, 2011, 02:22:50 AM
An update --

I switch to Hashkill, and the cards are mining OK -- the shares are getting to the pool and everything.

Why would Poclbm stop working all the sudden? I deleted the entire folder and re-downloaded the latest version.


Having the same issues here.
10  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Bitcoin -> Namecoin -> ASNCoin... some throughs... on: July 11, 2011, 04:24:27 AM
My head hurts.

Is that a good thing?
11  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Bitcoin -> Namecoin -> ASNCoin... some thoughts... on: July 10, 2011, 11:43:35 PM
I took a break from BTC for a bit and started playing around with Namecoin. Kinda neat, kinda a fun direction. Kinda needs some work, but I see where this is going. .bit definitely has the potential to put relieve the need for ICANN.

I'm wondering if at some point we're going to move into BGP done by blockchain. This would and could be a serious and powerful protection against any form of 'kill switching.' This gives each ASN independence from their employer, and ARIN/RIPE/etc, as well as separating identities.

Just putting out some thoughts. I'd like to see an equillibria in the amount of cipherspace I can control with my computational power, but don't wand to have to double the investment in collision power to prove it.

I guess ASN's would start to take back their original meaning, and we'd be insured against well, content delivery networks clogging our border entry, without fair exchange.

Any other thoughts? OpenBGP and BTC seem like a good area to start blending.
12  Other / CPU/GPU Bitcoin mining hardware / Re: New AMD APUs... [AMD A8-Series] on: July 07, 2011, 06:54:41 PM
What software are you using to mine?

GUIMiner 0701

But is GUIMiner taking advantage of the GPU core?
13  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: How do you protect bitcoin from an Electro-Magnetic Pulse? on: July 07, 2011, 03:11:47 AM

I think that's a misstatement; I'm fairly certain that AES works well as a composite function (with non-related keys), altho' I would personally use a second cipher for the second round. Even in the case of the 3DES MITM style attack, 3DES remained more resilient then just DES, just not 3x as effective.

I missed the part where you explained why it's a misstatement. Smiley.

It's note barely useful, it's useful, just closer to 80% useful. Depends.

For znort987, I recommend a chain of multiple ciphers for composite encryption, and unrelated random keys.
If the user can secure the key of such system, he could as well secure the bitcoin key directly.

Depends on his setup. But I like the comic!
14  Other / CPU/GPU Bitcoin mining hardware / Re: New AMD APUs... [AMD A8-Series] on: July 07, 2011, 03:07:01 AM
I have a A8-3850 Box,

Running all 4 cores. Getting 65MHash/s

What's the load on the cores? Wonder how close it is to using 100 watts. Sounds about right though. It's a nice boost over a normal cpu.

Are you using the internal GPU? That's what I want to see tested.
15  Bitcoin / Mining / Re: pushpool - open source pool software on: July 07, 2011, 03:04:27 AM
Feature Request:

I'd like to be able to do have a status() call to go along with getwork() by default.

Currently, what I do is try to connect to the pool before launching a miner on it, authorize appropriately, then GET /, to see if i get a 400 code. I'd rather be able to get back a dict with information like:


Ratelimiting status() would be fine as well, as saying "we're up, but we don't know you well enough to let you use status() yet".

I also don't want my bad requests to make the system think I'm attacking it.
16  Other / CPU/GPU Bitcoin mining hardware / Re: New AMD APUs... [AMD A8-Series] on: July 06, 2011, 04:31:57 AM
Yes... It should be investigated. I'm more then happy to accept donations of hardware to do this Cheesy
17  Economy / Service Announcements / Re: Electronic Cigarettes (Price Lowered) on: July 05, 2011, 07:30:48 AM
I am currently selling Dekang liquids, but am in negotiations with some US juice vendors to hopefully start selling their products.

I make custom fluids for people locally. If you had synth'd nicotine, a decent rate on candy flavorings, VG/PG/PEG, and ethyl maltol I'd definitely buy from you (currently, I'm well stocked). I also generally prefer to buy bulk 810 atomizers, but am mostly just taking peoples old ones and refurbishing them now. I'll look at your 510 atomizers at some point.

This of course is what I want, and I'm not your typical customer. Likewise, if I have anything of interest for your store, I'd be more then happy to sell on commission.

Also, Affiliate Network plz. Cheesy
18  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Jully Nullification on: July 05, 2011, 07:25:17 AM
So what are my fellow bitcoiners' thoughts on Jury Nullification?

For the last 100 years or so, the following rules work well.

As a juror, never say you know what it is or you'll be expelled from the jury.
As an attorney, you may be expelled from the case for bringing it up.
As a defendant, mentioning it in court will really piss off the judge, and the jury will be instructed to ignore your statement.

Even when "REMEMBER JURY NULLIFICATION" stickers on placed on things and shown to juries, those will be edited out.

The effective method using Nullification would be to have an educated jury, sadly, you won't get one. Your best luck will be living in an area of well educated people with a low population.
19  Other / CPU/GPU Bitcoin mining hardware / New AMD APUs... [AMD A8-Series] on: July 05, 2011, 07:23:44 AM
Doubt anyone has one yet, looks like they came out last week, but they are quad-core CPUs with an internal GPU core with 400 shader processors. While clearly not a powerhouse, I'm curious to hear when someone gets one and tries to mine on it.

Looks like they are about $130-150/retail. Looking at the motherboards that support Socket FM1, the most you'll be able to fit is 2ish GPU cards, but possibly a spare slot for an FPGA PCI array (the mobo's seem to be in the $100ish dollar range). Of course, all this is brand spankin' new to market. I'd probably want to wait for some more developments to arise before I look at getting one.

This may (haven't done the math here) be more cost effective then going with a Sempron considering the low wattage of these new chips (at least the AMD A8-3800 looks like the wise choice along this train of thought). The A8-3850 runs faster, with more wattage, and no TurboCore, but it doesn't really need it. If you mix-in CPU mining, it may be handy to go with the 3850.



20  Other / Politics & Society / Re: What percent of Bitcoins are used for unethical things on: July 05, 2011, 06:30:49 AM
There is no objective standard for what is moral or ethical, everyone has different opinions of that.

Re: Morality, I agree 100%, but objectivity could never be applied to morality. A person's morality is a closed system, and viewed by multiple observers only in action, not via process.
Re: Ethics, since ethical codes are shared by societal groups, they are usually codified in some way (ex: oral tradition or legal codex). Within the society, there is probably a shared standard which could be applied (hence, court systems and arbitration).

So, at the moment: 0%

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