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81  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Central Banks could EASILY destroy Bitcoin (if they want) on: January 10, 2014, 07:21:16 PM

1. When the FED would dump high volumes and create crashes there is also an effect of market capitulation.
This market capitulation would effectively destroy the Bitcoin.

2. Here the FED is accused of lowering the gold price
(Fortunately, with Bitcoin we  do not have "paper BTC" ... like gold has paper gold)

After Gold Crash, Experts Point to Central Bank Manipulation

In the wake of gold prices cratering in recent days, more than a few prominent experts have already started pinning the blame on Western central banks — especially the Federal Reserve and the European Central Bank (ECB). According to numerous analysts, the central bankers are desperate to salvage their fiat currencies and eliminate competition as "monetary authorities" continue to create ever-greater quantities of euros and dollars out of thin air.

Some experts, whistleblowers, traders, and former officials say the Fed dumped as much as 400 or even 500 tons of “paper gold” on the market — metals that it might not even have — as part of a naked short sale aimed at driving down the prices. Other analysts, especially among the establishment, pointed to the ECB chief’s recent suggestion that struggling European authorities in countries such as Cyprus would have to sell their precious metals to keep receiving bailouts.

Economist Dr. Paul Craig Roberts, assistant treasury secretary during the Reagan administration and former editor of the Wall Street Journal, is one of many experts who argue that the recent collapse in gold and silver prices was carefully orchestrated by the Fed and a coalition of allied mega-banks. In a widely cited analysis of the recent plunge in precious metals entitled “Assault On Gold Update,” he said the U.S. central bank was “rigging all markets” — bond prices, interest rates, and of course, the bullion market.
82  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Central Banks could EASILY destroy Bitcoin (if they want) on: January 10, 2014, 06:59:55 PM
"WHAT IS THE MATTER WITH YOU??? HOW IN THE NAME OF CHRIST CAN YOU BUY $40 Billion of bitcoins at $900 each??? Hahahhaaaaa you are hilarious. I don't know if you are just trolling or you really have no idea that there are buy and sell orders for limited amounts of bitcoins on the exchanges. I would guess trolling..."

:-) I did not say that they would buy 40 bln in one time.
They could buy slow in low volumes and then dump it all at once.
Again and again.
Each time causing a small crash.
This is how you could manipulate a price in all kind of markets.
83  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Central Banks could EASILY destroy Bitcoin (if they want) on: January 10, 2014, 06:49:17 PM
All, as OP thanks for feedback and discussion.
I am less worried now on my long position on BTC :-)
84  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Central Banks could EASILY destroy Bitcoin (if they want) on: January 10, 2014, 06:38:36 PM
July 9, 2010: When someone tries to buy all the world’s supply of a scarce asset, the more they buy the higher the price goes. At some point, it gets too expensive for them to buy any more. It’s great for the people who owned it beforehand because they get to sell it to the corner at crazy high prices. As the price keeps going up and up, some people keep holding out for yet higher prices and refuse to sell. The Hunt brothers famously bankrupted themselves trying to corner the silver market in 1979.

Always interesting to see mr.Nakamotos opinion-..... Wink

It is not about buy it all, but to manipulate the price.
They buy on current prices and then dump it with large volume and take losses (since they can afford to).
This will scare most investors who will leave.
85  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Central Banks could EASILY destroy Bitcoin (if they want) on: January 10, 2014, 06:31:44 PM
Actors with unlimited purchasing power can determine prices fully:
86  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Central Banks could EASILY destroy Bitcoin (if they want) on: January 10, 2014, 06:20:10 PM
"so i am not selling mine until price gets to 40000$, because who knows it might be FED buying..."
"If someone started buying continuously the price would go insane, easily going into 10s of thousands very quickly."
- not true, if they would slowly buy 100.000 bitcoin in a batch and then dump all of it for 0.0001 USD, bitcoin would crash ... if they then would do this in cycles.

"these graphs are exactly why we're doing this."
- i know and i agree
87  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Central Banks could EASILY destroy Bitcoin (if they want) on: January 10, 2014, 06:11:45 PM
Are they going to buy up every single one of the 150+ altcoins?
What's to stop people just making more altcoins?

In this scenario they would.
If I would give you 40 bln, you could :-)

It would not be worth to create more cryptocoins.
Every miner would stop.
88  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Central Banks could EASILY destroy Bitcoin (if they want) on: January 10, 2014, 06:05:28 PM
-> "alot easyer just to ban it, not to buy it."
i think it is much, much easier to just change a number on a system somewhere to create 40 bln easily and get rid of the BTC in a few hours. no effort needed on politics, legal stuff, etc etc

-> "How would this destroy Bitcoin? Bitcoin existed long before there was any analog-money numbers associated with it."
they would buy it for 900 USD and then sell it for 0.000001 USD on large volumes at once, in cycles, creating crashes, this would effectively destroy it. all miners would stop, etc etc
89  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Central Banks could EASILY destroy Bitcoin (if they want) on: January 10, 2014, 06:01:19 PM
** I am LONG on BTC, but want to understand if this scenario would work **

The current market capitalization of crypto currency is about 13 bln.
See at footer / bottom of page of:

WHAT IF they would create/print some dollars, slowly buy significant amount of crypto currency at current market prices and then dump it all at once. They would do this in cycles, each time creating a crash.

The FED has about 4000 bln outstanding.
If they would just create 4 bln USD, buy BTC and dump it, it would already probably work.
But ok, let's suppose they do this (in cycles!) with 40 bln (who cares is money out of thin air).
This 40 bln would represent only 1% of their current balance.
And this is only the FED.

Here is size of printed money from the 4 big central banks right now...


And here is projected increased size for the FED only...


90  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Does anybody has experience with on: January 10, 2014, 01:10:04 PM
Hi all,
Cryptorig did refund my money properly on my request, very trustworthy for me.
Regards, Michiel
91  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Bitcoin = unicorn ?! on: January 09, 2014, 12:23:11 PM
Seriously. I kid you not.

O no.. Actually the designer was looking for dolphins ?! ? WTF ?  What did he take?

Cover with unicorn:

Why unicorn:
92  Economy / Service Discussion / WTF is HYPAY ? on: January 09, 2014, 10:22:39 AM
Somebody created this comment on

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This is on LinkedIn:
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Here is profile from creator of this linkedin page:

93  Economy / Speculation / Revenge of the nerds - Why one Bitcoin will be valued 40.000+ USD on: January 08, 2014, 08:09:51 AM
Hi all,

It is hard to grasp the exact basis of the real economical value of bitcoin and the bitcoin currency.
This author has an interesting statement with some good arguments.
      Bitcoin is the Linux of payments. And its killer apps will be for US dollars

Basically, he expects that the bitcoin methodology/protocol/technology will be a succesfull transparant layer without the necessity for the bitcoin currency to be fully explicit available to consumers. If this is true, then some BIG questions (for investors) are:
A. Scarcity: Does scarcity of bitcoin matter? (this layer can be used with transactions of 10 BTC each, but also of 0.00001 BTC each?)
B. Fiat rate: can the layer be succesfull with ANY fiat rate of the BTC currency? Does it matter if BTC has value of 1 USD or 1.000 USD ?
C. Invest: If A and B do not matter, then 1 BTC could also be valued at 1 USD?

The above may be true, however, what is not includes in this analysis, are the following 3 arguments/factors:

*** Revenge of the nerds - Why one Bitcoin will be valued 40.000+ USD ***

1. Revenge of the nerds.
A. Imagine all the hours spent on open source projects / peer to peer (distributed stuff).
B. Image all the effort to commercialize part of these efforts.
C. Now imagine how economical succesfull companies these efforts have been (napster, kazaa, bittorrent, wikipedia, linux, mysql, android, apache, etc)
D. Now image all the money consumers have paid for this.
Now image if all effort at A could be directly funded by D.
This is what I call: "Revenge of the nerds", cut out the middlemen, etc.
Of course, Bill Gates and Steve Jobs immediately got paid for their efforts and were able to go from D to A instantly.
But for the other 99,9999% of all nerds, they are not rewarded for the creativity and value they bring to society.
With Bitcoin we close the loop from D to A :-) !
=> this will create an explosion of commercially viable innovations with a large demand for the bitcoin currency!

2. Significant investment has been done and will be done by entities with deep pockets:
- Bitcoin Price Could Reach $98,500, Say Wall Street Analysts /
- Wall Street Will Put 'Hundreds of Millions' Into Bitcoin /

3. This is the best quantified argument:
Bitcoin can compete with 3 current products / services with a certain value: 1. foreign exchange, 2. protect inflation, 3. asset/gold
  - See:
  - See:
If Bitcoin in 10 years will capture 1% of this value, the value of 1 BTC is projected at $1,041.
If Bitcoin in 5 years will capture 5% of this value, the value of 1 BTC is projected at $10,407.
( My expectation: for this factor, we will end up somewhere in the middle of the chart, that is: between $5k and $40k per BTC )


If you combine factors 1, 2 and 3, my expectation is that we will reach a real economic value of at least $40k per BTC in 5-10 years.
We will predict this value within 2-3 years from now and hype it, companies will react to it and include it in yearly plans, build services, products with it, etc.

=> So in 2015 Q2/Q3 we will reach $40k per BTC
94  Other / Off-topic / Re: Thinking about naming my baby girl Bitcoin.. (due in 3 weeks) on: January 07, 2014, 07:49:22 AM
Solution 4: change your own name to your Bitcoin address. So people can say "Well Mr. 1GtRVNSViobQwERuGncLg1axJAtVx2CXNt, where do you want us to wire your money? -oh wait"

You can even include "steve" in your BTC address, see:
95  Other / Off-topic / Re: Thinking about naming my baby girl Bitcoin.. (due in 3 weeks) on: January 07, 2014, 07:39:09 AM
Steve / OP,

Solution 1:
You can change your own name to Bitcoin in stead? :-) !
( Just like "Kim Dotcom" did? )

Solution 2:
Maybe you can tattoo a Bitcoin logo full size on your body?
( Just like this woman: )

Solution 3:
Sell some organs of yourself?

Solution 4:
Offer your body to clients per hour to freely (ab)use any way they like?

Solution 5:
OK, this suggestion is serious:
(the previous ones were meant as jokes)
Get inspired by: and offer something unique for 0,01 BTC

Good luck with generating publicity, it will help all bitcoin owners, I guess.

Regards, Michiel
96  Bitcoin / Mining speculation / New CloudHashing contracts ($9.49 for 1 Gh/s) are NOT profitable? on: January 02, 2014, 08:37:51 AM
Here is press release:
"In the Bitcoin mining industry, where projections but not promises are the norm,'s announcement could shake up an already extremely competitive industry at a time when Bitcoin is becoming more mainstream.
The company announced that customers can now pre-order cutting-edge Bitcoin mining contracts at a cost of just $9.49 per Gigahash/sec guaranteed to begin Feb. 15 or full refunds will be given. This cost-per-Gigahash is significantly less than anything announced, and's established track record of delivering cloud mining services since July makes the announcement a potential game changer.
Additionally, announced a reduction in its mining pool fee from ten percent to three percent along with the elimination of management fees. These fees are used to pay for electricity and maintenance in the datacenters."

You have to order 100.00 Gh/s for 949 USD minimum.

If we now calculate at
(with hardware price 0, power 0, delivery cost 0, setup 0, maintenance 0, etc)

If start date = 2014-02-01, then in 1 year the return is 726.80 USD
If start date = 2014-02-15, then in 1 year the return is 539.30 USD
If start date = 2014-03-01, then in 1 year the return is 399.70 USD
Profit: 949.00 USD - 539.30 USD = 409.70 USD negative profit!

** CONCLUSION: this investment probably will return a loss with current BTC/USD rate and expected difficulty increases **

Alternative scenario: ONLY if we change BTC/USD to 1,317 USD, we will break even ... :-)
97  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Does anybody has experience with on: December 28, 2013, 06:10:42 AM
Hi Cryptorig,
OK, thanks for the update.
(I was hoping that the estimated date of Dec 18 should have worked before the Xmas period, but I fully understand)
I am looking forward to hear expected delivery date and the delivery itself.
Nice year ending!
98  Bitcoin / Project Development / Re: [ANN] Custom GPU Mining Rigs on: December 27, 2013, 03:13:21 PM

Does anybody have experience with this company?

99  Economy / Service Discussion / Does anybody has experience with on: December 26, 2013, 11:08:43 AM
Hi all,

Does anybody has experience with
They are late on a product and not very responsive.

Here is a post from this company:
100  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Alpha Technology Litecoin (Scrypt) ASIC Miner Development on: December 26, 2013, 05:20:14 AM
You say on
"Registration is now open, you can register here and add your desired product and quantity to your Wishlist:  "

But there is no option to register.. ?

It is not a big problem, but it is strange if you, in this phase, already deviate from core values like "tell what you do & do what you tell".
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