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i dont know what you guys are talking about, but as i can see things this coin can pass 30 satoshi pretty soon
^ This is exactly the delusional circle-jerking that I've been talking about.Do you guys do this on every other coin that you mine? Is it like some understood thing where you guys blindly promote the coin to each other, but silently acknowledge that this is a shit coin and you're really just here to making money? Or do you guys really delude yourselves into this odd state of denial and hope? I want to understand you people, please teach me your ways.. |
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Yo, mr telephone - is somebody paying you to write all this bull...it or what your objective here, in this thread?
Haha, nobody's paying me, but I'd certainly accept tips. I've been hovering around LEAF making percentages on the dips and boosts the last couple of days, and after doing research I found this thread and just decided to put in my two cents. If I could offer any advice to people sitting on mined LEAF right now, is sell high and buy back in lower. A lot of people will dump and walk away, but a lot of people have been waiting for LEAF to dump for days. It can absolutely be the next big penny coin, but not until AFTER a substantial dump. It's almost like I've been saying this for days. sell high meaning how much? Haha, I'd say right about nowish. Yeah, sell support is at an all time high, buy support is at a 3-4 day low. I think people might float it around 17-15? And maybe a little bit of rise through tomorrow? |
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Yo, mr telephone - is somebody paying you to write all this bull...it or what your objective here, in this thread?
Haha, nobody's paying me, but I'd certainly accept tips. I've been hovering around LEAF making percentages on the dips and boosts the last couple of days, and after doing research I found this thread and just decided to put in my two cents. If I could offer any advice to people sitting on mined LEAF right now, is sell high and buy back in lower. A lot of people will dump and walk away, but a lot of people have been waiting for LEAF to dump for days. It can absolutely be the next big penny coin, but not until AFTER a substantial dump. It's almost like I've been saying this for days. sell high meaning how much? Haha, I'd say right about nowish. |
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Yo, mr telephone - is somebody paying you to write all this bull...it or what your objective here, in this thread?
Haha, nobody's paying me, but I'd certainly accept tips. I've been hovering around LEAF making percentages on the dips and boosts the last couple of days, and after doing research I found this thread and just decided to put in my two cents. If I could offer any advice to people sitting on mined LEAF right now, is sell high and buy back in lower. A lot of people will dump and walk away, but a lot of people have been waiting for LEAF to dump for days. It can absolutely be the next big penny coin, but not until AFTER a substantial dump. It's almost like I've been saying this for days. |
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DUMP :-/
This is not even a relatively large or bad dump, not at the moment. It could pick up, but my guess is whoever is dumping will set another buy wall and boost the price back into the 20 to 25 range. |
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ppl who are selling this are making a big mistake the reward will halve like three times a month and then it'll me much more difficult to get. I guess it's better of mining something more stable and buy leaf at ~5 - 10 satoshi and wait
Dude, it's called tact. You can't come on here one day telling everyone to sell, then come on here the next pretending to be bummed that people are selling. I'm certainly outspoken about the shortfalls of holding LEAF, but your panic tactics are cringe-worthy and transparent. |
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What you think about Fedoracoin (TIPS) ?
Already got dumped hard. A complete new feature, that no other coin has, is almost done and already in beta version -> Coin mixing
And the difficulty will be fixed before the feature will be released.
So what you think about TIPS?
TIPS became pretty interesting within the last few hours, and I wouldn't be surprised to see it take off upon the release of a BTC/TIPS market. Seems like the LTC/TIPS market is getting a lot of consistent volume today, but I don't think Cryptsy open a BTC market until the price reaches a certain milestone, probably 150-200 litoshi. The risk is certainly much smaller than it was this time yesterday, and it'd be worth playing percentages for the time being, but whether or not it gets a solid buy base is still uncertain at the moment. Yeah it gets very interesting. Have to correct you in 1 point. BigVern wrote in the forum he will add BTC/TIPS when it hits >300-350. I´m looking forward to see whats gonna happen when the difficulty fix will be released. Gotchya, if that's the case TIPS won't be taking off for maybe a little while. In other news, LEAF is taking quite a tumble as miners are dumping through sell walls at the moment. |
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So.. a lot of postings to initiate panicsells....
You have to ask yourself.... if people want to push the price to buy big for little.... what they can do with the prize once they have enough volume. The same people that push the prize down, will also push it up when they have enough to make a shitload of money.
You mean like what miners are doing, right now on coinmarket.io? There's been a wall of about 35 to 50 btc, that I've been watching for the last three days. It gets broken up, moved around, it gets pulled suddenly, then it'll appear suddenly, and it's always to try and boost the price upward, despite the immense amount of sell pressure. The only whales on the market are miners that want to dump their coins, nobody else is holding LEAF like that. Trading is not a black and white issue, and it's certainly not a science with concrete rules and results. The whole "If X happens, then Y will soon happen, too" does not apply to trading, because there are many different stages of a coin's life. Once the coin gets dumped heavily, which STILL hasn't happened, it'll shoot way up, but there's absolutely no reason for people to buy LEAF. This isn't about panic sells, and this isn't about speculation. Speculation is the people saying that it'll go to 200-300 satoshi, and beat out DOGE or MEOW or whatever the big penny coin is at the moment. What I'm telling you is what DOES happen. A penny coin comes along, it gets dumped then it explodes. Another comes along, it gets dumped then it explodes. Another comes along, and it doesn't dump? Well, it'll just sit there and stay stagnant until it gets dumped, afterward it'll explode. It happened with LOT, EAC, DOGE, MEOW, every single penny coin that's gone to the moon was ALREADY dumped before the whales came along and bought in. Nobody wants LEAF until AFTER it's dumped. Right now the potential, aside from playing the 20 to 25 percentages, is only negative. Once it gets dumped and goes on sale, big traders will come in, buy, and hold until the 70s to 100s. It's just the way it works, and it's just the way it's always worked. What you think about Fedoracoin (TIPS) ? Already got dumped hard. A complete new feature, that no other coin has, is almost done and already in beta version -> Coin mixing And the difficulty will be fixed before the feature will be released. So what you think about TIPS? TIPS became pretty interesting within the last few hours, and I wouldn't be surprised to see it take off upon the release of a BTC/TIPS market. Seems like the LTC/TIPS market is getting a lot of consistent volume today, but I don't think Cryptsy open a BTC market until the price reaches a certain milestone, probably 150-200 litoshi. The risk is certainly much smaller than it was this time yesterday, and it'd be worth playing percentages for the time being, but whether or not it gets a solid buy base is still uncertain at the moment. |
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So.. a lot of postings to initiate panicsells....
You have to ask yourself.... if people want to push the price to buy big for little.... what they can do with the prize once they have enough volume. The same people that push the prize down, will also push it up when they have enough to make a shitload of money.
You mean like what miners are doing, right now on coinmarket.io? There's been a wall of about 35 to 50 btc, that I've been watching for the last three days. It gets broken up, moved around, it gets pulled suddenly, then it'll appear suddenly, and it's always to try and boost the price upward, despite the immense amount of sell pressure. The only whales on the market are miners that want to dump their coins, nobody else is holding LEAF like that. Trading is not a black and white issue, and it's certainly not a science with concrete rules and results. The whole "If X happens, then Y will soon happen, too" does not apply to trading, because there are many different stages of a coin's life. Once the coin gets dumped heavily, which STILL hasn't happened, it'll shoot way up, but there's absolutely no reason for people to buy LEAF. This isn't about panic sells, and this isn't about speculation. Speculation is the people saying that it'll go to 200-300 satoshi, and beat out DOGE or MEOW or whatever the big penny coin is at the moment. What I'm telling you is what DOES happen. A penny coin comes along, it gets dumped then it explodes. Another comes along, it gets dumped then it explodes. Another comes along, and it doesn't dump? Well, it'll just sit there and stay stagnant until it gets dumped, afterward it'll explode. It happened with LOT, EAC, DOGE, MEOW, every single penny coin that's gone to the moon was ALREADY dumped before the whales came along and bought in. Nobody wants LEAF until AFTER it's dumped. Right now the potential, aside from playing the 20 to 25 percentages, is only negative. Once it gets dumped and goes on sale, big traders will come in, buy, and hold until the 70s to 100s. It's just the way it works, and it's just the way it's always worked. |
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Price is really low now, buying opportunity!
This is this moment when many people doubt in coin (i mean fresh few days coin) and then dump, another buy couse they see the great opportunity or just have "wtf who cares" mood. After that like every coin with such a volume support it will go to 200-300 sat at least. Sure I understand that it seems like a high risk to buy now, but this is our nowadays wild wild west. You have to have grande cojones to invest in such a new coin : ) People did it for usde, noble, etc. they bought in for 20-30 sat or even lower. Are you scared now? Good couse it is risky business. 20 is the new bottom I think  Those who waiting for 10 sato or so, better fill asks, still cheap:) Probably won't hit 10 unless the whales dump real hard, but 11 to 13 are definite possibilities. |
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Price is really low now, buying opportunity!
This is this moment when many people doubt in coin (i mean fresh few days coin) and then dump, another buy couse they see the great opportunity or just have "wtf who cares" mood. After that like every coin with such a volume support it will go to 200-300 sat at least. Sure I understand that it seems like a high risk to buy now, but this is our nowadays wild wild west. You have to have grande cojones to invest in such a new coin : ) People did it for usde, noble, etc. they bought in for 20-30 sat or even lower. Are you scared now? Good couse it is risky business. 200 to 300 sat?! What are you basing those figures off of? Also, the market right now is nothing like the wild wild west. Those days were back in November and December, when people were doing pumps on BTC-e. Today, it's much more like early days of stock trading, where there was still little to no regulation, but everyone became smart enough to keep each others in check. This is much more like the Chicago mafia scene of the Prohibition Era. If you look at the order depth on either CoinedUp or for CoinMarket.io, it's very clear that LEAF is going to have a steep decline before it even can start thinking about the 40s and 50s. Anyone buying at 20s, will just be looking to play that 25% game up until 24-25 and then sell out, only to buy back in at 20 again. This coin is going absolutely nowhere until miners dump the billions of coins that they're stock piling, which judging buy the depth of buys, won't happen for quite a while. Lots of price manipulation on coinmarket.io by miners, trying to boost the price, but you can see by the increase of sell depth that miners are getting restless and beginning to dump. The price will get much lower in the short term, at least to the mid-high teens over the next week or so, but eventually will have to crash before the coin can reach any of the higher price tiers. |
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Yes, there is some speculation on my part on the specific numbers, but the fact that the big traders aren't buying LEAF is hardly speculation, and the fact that you're all waiting for LEAF to get the DOGE treatment is certainly no secret. And as far as the manipulation goes, I bet you if people start dumping into that buy wall, it'll get pulled. That buy wall is not meant to actually buy LEAF, only to boost the price. This is fairly obvious, as it's been on there, moving around to different prices, FOR OVER 12 HOURS. If it is a whale, it's the most embarrassing attempt at buying a coin that any of us have ever seen; not to mention, we know/are most whales and can spot market manipulation from a mile away.
We watch the market. All. The. Time. We live day-to-day on the market. If you guys want to sell some coins at the 100 range, you HAVE to give us a sacrifice. Otherwise, we'll all (miners and traders included) be stuck between 18-26 for a long, long time.
Can you explain the part about giving a sacrifice please? Couple billion coins between 21 and 15. A lot of people are waiting for single digits, but if they see huge sells, they'll reach up to grab some. We're not going to walk into a firing squad. We're not buying until we see a significant percentage of the total mined coins ON the markets, not lurking around the corner waiting to jump us. Go home will you? It's getting boring. You're late to the party for the best deals, and you are not fooling anyone with this long pseudo-expert, "we", "traders" etc. posts. Either you can't see past couple days or you think everyone here is naive. +1 Bla bla bla bla bla. If you think we need your wisdom, you are goddamn wrong.  Just disappear from a coin you don't even give a shit about (your words) and go somewhere else pumpin n' dumpin. You staying here and writing posts full of bullshit, it's just another clear sign that you want to make people sell cheap, so you can buy, so stop the FUD spreading and go away. Oh, please, spare me. Like you all care SO MUCH about LEAF. All I see on here is people talking about what a high price they're going to dump at. There's no community, no leadership, barely any tangible services. You're not fucking here because you believe in the coin, you're here because you believe the coin will make you money. Do you all believe in, and trust in EVERY coin that you've ever mined ever?! We're all here to make money. So let's make some fucking money. Drop the coins, and we can get this train moving. Otherwise, this is gonna be just another shitcoin that everyone is waiting to watch dump, so they can buy in in the single digits. |
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However, if people will hold to it, price will go up over 30 satoshi for sure. There is no question that there will be a dump at a given point (as I told when it will hit Cryptsy), but will start from a higher price, and then a quick dump will follow. I think what you try to achieve here is to buy LEAFs at 18 satoshi so when the wave is high you double your money, right before the dump. Which is fine, because we are all here to make money Even with this sort of manipulation, it'll barely reach 30 if even close, a few people will be able to unload, it will get dumped into the ground. And most of you all will STILL be sitting on LEAF that nobody wants to buy. There will be nobody to dump on when it comes time to hit Cryptsy, because again EVERYONE already knows about the dump. Nobody is buying until AFTER it happens. I dare someone to dump 5+ btc into that 24 satoshi buy wall, all at once, and watch how fast it gets pulled. Most of that high buy support is fake, and painfully so. Nobody with a decent bankroll is fooled. It'll get picked up when those billions of coins are on the market. |
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Yes, there is some speculation on my part on the specific numbers, but the fact that the big traders aren't buying LEAF is hardly speculation, and the fact that you're all waiting for LEAF to get the DOGE treatment is certainly no secret. And as far as the manipulation goes, I bet you if people start dumping into that buy wall, it'll get pulled. That buy wall is not meant to actually buy LEAF, only to boost the price. This is fairly obvious, as it's been on there, moving around to different prices, FOR OVER 12 HOURS. If it is a whale, it's the most embarrassing attempt at buying a coin that any of us have ever seen; not to mention, we know/are most whales and can spot market manipulation from a mile away.
We watch the market. All. The. Time. We live day-to-day on the market. If you guys want to sell some coins at the 100 range, you HAVE to give us a sacrifice. Otherwise, we'll all (miners and traders included) be stuck between 18-26 for a long, long time.
Can you explain the part about giving a sacrifice please? Couple billion coins between 21 and 15. A lot of people are waiting for single digits, but if they see huge sells, they'll reach up to grab some. We're not going to walk into a firing squad. We're not buying until we see a significant percentage of the total mined coins ON the markets, not lurking around the corner waiting to jump us. Go home will you? It's getting boring. You're late to the party for the best deals, and you are not fooling anyone with this long pseudo-expert, "we", "traders" etc. posts. Either you can't see past couple days or you think everyone here is naive. Yes, I do think many people here are in fact naive. You can look at the last 150 pages and see how everyone with a voice around here has pumped each other up with so much bullshit, about this coin that's going to be the next little coin to blast off to the moooooon, that you all haven't stopped to realize the checkered past behind ALL of the recently boosted coins. DOGE, LOT, EAC, MEOW, all of them dumped, all of them hyped, all of them essentially left for dead, until traders picked it up. This isn't a guessing game, there is the reason things do what things do. And up to this point NOBODY has even given me a single example of WHY this coin is going to be loved and glorious aside from "You'll see." "Just wait." "China will pump it on their New Years" "China will pump it AFTER their New Years" And you all are here calling ME a speculator? Tell you what, maybe I am, but I've been doing it a hell of a lot longer than most of you. When I want to learn how to mine, I'll come to you, but if you wanted to learn how to manipulate and boost a market, you get in the markets and you make some friends. |
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 I'm only gonna talk through memes now  Yes, there is some speculation on my part on the specific numbers, but the fact that the big traders aren't buying LEAF is hardly speculation, and the fact that you're all waiting for LEAF to get the DOGE treatment is certainly no secret. And as far as the manipulation goes, I bet you if people start dumping into that buy wall, it'll get pulled. That buy wall is not meant to actually buy LEAF, only to boost the price. This is fairly obvious, as it's been on there, moving around to different prices, FOR OVER 12 HOURS. If it is a whale, it's the most embarrassing attempt at buying a coin that any of us have ever seen; not to mention, we know/are most whales and can spot market manipulation from a mile away. We watch the market. All. The. Time. We live day-to-day on the market. If you guys want to sell some coins at the 100 range, you HAVE to give us a sacrifice. Otherwise, we'll all (miners and traders included) be stuck between 18-26 for a long, long time. Can you explain the part about giving a sacrifice please? Couple billion coins between 21 and 15. A lot of people are waiting for single digits, but if they see huge sells, they'll reach up to grab some. We're not going to walk into a firing squad. We're not buying until we see a significant percentage of the total mined coins ON the markets, not lurking around the corner waiting to jump us. |
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Well as a "mini whale" been hashing with 30MH since day 1. I dont have plans to dump so soon Can't speak for others , but most whales will dump when you least expect it  .00000026 is nothing Why would anyone want to invest in this coin, especially after you just saying that? Trading whales are different than mining whales, and everyone knows that you guys want to dump it above 26, which is a total joke. Why on earth would anyone want to invest in a coin that's bound to be dumped on? We invest in coins AFTER they've already dumped. We do not walk toward cannons with targets painted on our chests. This is common sense. We know how many coins have been mined, we know how many coins are on the market, we know that you all are waiting to dump. To be honest, most traders are waiting for 2-5 sat price range. The obvious option is to compromise, dump between 25 - 15, and leave some left over for yourselves to dump at higher prices. Or of course, you could wait for hashcows to dump for you, and kill the coin entirely. I'd very much like to buy LEAF, but certainly not at current prices. But it's whatever, because you can hold your LEAF, and we'll walk away and invest in MaxCoin, or UltraCoin, or PotCoin, or a ton of other coins that aren't going to point a loaded gun at us and expect to walk right into it. Think about it. REALLY think about it. It makes ZERO sense. |
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I'm only gonna talk through memes now Yes, there is some speculation on my part on the specific numbers, but the fact that the big traders aren't buying LEAF is hardly speculation, and the fact that you're all waiting for LEAF to get the DOGE treatment is certainly no secret. And as far as the manipulation goes, I bet you if people start dumping into that buy wall, it'll get pulled. That buy wall is not meant to actually buy LEAF, only to boost the price. This is fairly obvious, as it's been on there, moving around to different prices, FOR OVER 12 HOURS. If it is a whale, it's the most embarrassing attempt at buying a coin that any of us have ever seen; not to mention, we know/are most whales and can spot market manipulation from a mile away. We watch the market. All. The. Time. We live day-to-day on the market. If you guys want to sell some coins at the 100 range, you HAVE to give us a sacrifice. Otherwise, we'll all (miners and traders included) be stuck between 18-26 for a long, long time. |
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All the manipulation on the exchanges aren't fooling anyone, everyone knows that miners are holding billions of LEAF and waiting to dump. That's why LEAF won't get above 26, even though people put buy walls at 22, move them up to 23, move them up to 24. A miner out there is boosting the price to pad the buy orders, then they're just gonna dump right through it, and the ensuing panic will take the coin straight down to 18.
I'll told you all yesterday, and I'll say it again: nobody is going to pump LEAF. Everyone on here is talking "whale this..." "whale that....", whales don't boost the price unless they're trying to dump, everyone knows that. People think they're being slick, like just putting numbers up there will get people to start buying. It doesn't work like that. The word has already spread, nobody's buying until the billions of coins that miners are sitting on are dumped. It's just not the way things work. Nobody's just going to waltz into an avalanche.
And to anyone denying manipulation, buy orders that sit at the top and continue moving up without ACTUALLY buying in is a dead giveaway. Pull your fake walls, dump through the buy orders (better now at 25-20, then later at 16-10) and let's get this thing going. You don't have to dump all of your coins, just enough that serious traders will get interested, then it can be taken into 100+ territory, and you guys can dump as much as you want.
That is all.
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It will go to 1 satoshi well before it's added to cryptsy, load the guns
It'll probably never go to 1 satoshi unless something really really unforeseeably awful happens, but 15 - 10 is fair game, so far as a "absolute worst case scenario" goes. I strongly recommend that people dump through the current buy orders; people will rush up to meet them at even 19-16, but if worse case scenario happens, you all will be wishing you'd dumped on those buy walls when they were at 24-20. Also, blatantly inciting miners to dump is probably going to have the exact opposite effect that you expect to have. |
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By the way, I am not impressed by the volume on coinmarket...
Hahaha then show me 1-week Coin with bigger volume than LEAF now? Maybe Doge? But something else?  Well, maybe I wasn't clear enough... I am not impressed because of what I explained in the next sentence... it is produced by the 24/25 trader game, same bitcoins are circulating over and over again. You can have a market volume of 100 X by having two trades of 50 each at 24 satoshi and 25 satoshi... or you can have the same market volume by buying 1 X at 24, selling at 25, and do this 50 times... hope you get the point this time. This is your imagination. You can create a conspiracy theories about big Leafcoin's volume but it's pointless; you cannot denied this way (by using your imagination without proof), that LEAFCOIN has: big volume big hashrate popularity hype etc. etc. So: there's no need to seek a brack where the hedge is whole Big Volume: because people can make 4-5% on single satoshi fluctuations, which I might add, are coming down because of a clash of buy/sell pressure. Big hashrate: hashcows sitting on billions of LEAF Popularity: see Big Volume, above Hype: see Popularity etc. etc.: I'm assuming you just couldn't think of anything else good about your coin. On the other hand, there's a few billion LEAF just waiting to be dumped on the market, and that'll crush the coin regardless. So, you can crush it now, and then traders can pick it up and play with it, or you can crush it later, and turn it into just another pump and dump coin on cryptsy. |
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