I feel like the the original dream of using crypto as an alternative to cash is mostly dead for the time being (for various reasons) and therefore holding and then cashing out into real world currency is what's boosting prices for the moment. Dogecoin is a good example of speculation as it doesn't have a massive use or application, besides being a meme coin that was easily accessible and cheap.

I was reading on hacker news about the creator of Coinbase's original idea of undercutting credit card fees, but in the end look what happened.

So I feel like speculation about cryptocurrency is difficult if not impossible, it could be worth nothing or could be worth multiples in the future. I don't think anyone knows for sure as it follows its evolution.

Not a collectors item, it was something someone clearly made and donated to a thrift store. Maybe even an employee printed and put it in a frame, thrift stores sell all types of painted and printed pictures & picture frames. Many times people clean their houses and donate stuff to be sold at thrift stores. It's possible there was something here but it was removed before it was donated, maybe a wedding gift at some point or maybe a type of paper wallet someone made and was later donated by mistake, or maybe someone made a puzzle or something. Who knows.

The question is if there is a hidden bitcoin wallet embedded in here, probably not but there is always a small chance. Just an oddity, wanted to see what people think and if there was some known easy way to embed codes that survive print/copying. Or maybe the creator will see it. Yellow dot pattern or Machine Identification Code is one way to survive printing, there is one embedded in here but that could just be from a printer, best it could tell me is the date when this was printed. But I cannot decipher it 100%, it uses a 15x8 format but doesn't follow the only single decipher of such format at all.

This is the known eff pattern for some xeros printers, the one i found doesn't follow this format at all but it does correspond to 15x8.


The only numbers I can get out of my pattern (which I haven't posted) that can even correspond to date are 8, 12 & 16.
It cannot be August or December of 2016 because I bought it before that
So I guess it could be 2012, 2008 would be impossible.
8 & 12 are next to each other so maybe August 16th 2012.
Or it could all be wrong, not sure.

No back of it is blank white, thanks for the suggestion may post it there later if nothing comes up here.

I don't own a blacklight, any suggestions on a cheap one? I tried passing a light source through a blue filter, not sure if that's how it works, but didn't see anything.

Wouldn't blue channel expose anything on the print if there was something hidden? For example it works to make the yellow dot pattern pop out in the scan.

Frame I disposed of a while ago as I broke it apart to see if anything was hidden inside of it, so that's gone.

Thanks for the suggestion btw, I've thought about it as well.

I was able to run the code on debian with a custom compiled python3.9 version & your pip requirements.

Did you find the change address using the included top 100000 bitcoin addresses & how long did it take?

That is a very interesting idea I had not thought of, yes I still have the original image. There is a very slight bump over the slogan, swirls & middle circle. However there is no way any type of sticker or anything can hide between the layers as I just checked the entire image under a strong light source and I can see through the entire image since it's just slightly thicker card stock than regular paper. This appears to be done with a printer, looks very slightly embossed, but opposite side is smooth so not sure what this method is called.




If I put anything between the light source and picture I can see the outline of it, I would assume I would see something if there was anything between the layers.

But good and unique suggestion, thank you. Anymore ideas welcome.

Your build doesn't work for windows7 btw, not properly built I am guessing for older OS support.

@Mbitr, thanks for the suggestion but that sub-forum appears to be more of a marketplace. I'm just trying to see if anyone has any ideas regarding this image.

Back in 2016 I was looking around in a local thrift store and saw an odd framed picture/photo with a couple embracing in the centre and bitcoins all around, so I bought it hoping there would be a paper wallet inside.

Here is a low resolution picture of it:


After inspecting it and breaking it apart from the frame I didn't find anything. In the top middle it also says "Vires in Numeris" translated to "Strength in Numbers", some design elements are slightly raised from the paper and this was printed commercially judging by the quality of the print. I feel like the couple in the middle and the couple in the top right do not match in physical appearance, but not really sure.

I made a high resolution scan hoping to find something hidden in it, but didn't really see anything specific at the time. So I put it aside, eventually tossed out the frame as I had damaged it while taking it apart. Earlier this year I found that scan file on a backup and while messing with the blue channel I extracted the 15x8 yellow dot printer pattern. The pattern doesn't follow the known EFF Xeros display tracking dots format so I cannot decipher it.

I'm wondering if anyone knows anything about this image, I'm just curious mostly but also wondering if there is perhaps a private key some how embedded inside it or the yellow dot pattern.

1.) How do you fit a private key inside a 15x8 grid? It contains 50 dots filled in.
2.) Any known programs or steganography techniques before 2016 that could allow someone to embed a watermark, qr code or a key that would survive printing/scanning? I've found research paper about hiding water marks that can survive resizing/cropping etc but no working program or code.
3.) In part of the image when I zoom in significantly I see some weird characters/patterns, that could be something or could be nothing. For example here is a small section of one area. Anyone else see some characters & scribbles? Could have been scanner error or something else, the image is stored uncompressed however so I find it odd.


Anyways thought it was an interesting curiosity if anyone knows anything about this or if any ideas how a private key could be inside this image or the 15x8 printer pattern, would be interesting to hear. I can't post the high resolution scan or the pattern, just in case it does contain something.

Sorry I meant it mostly as a good thing, just listed the pros and cons too closely.


Completely agree with you, nothing special yet with hype alone it might become useful for trading. Might bridge the gap perhaps between say dogecoin & litecoin, because there is a major spread there.

It's going to depend on how dependable the developers are & how much hype this coin can get.

So far it hasn't hit any major exchange, started at something like $3 per a coin, now seems to be going around $1.

I only found this coin today when a thread from sub-reddit /r/garlicoin showed up on my feed.

There are many things wrong with this coin, for one it's another memecoin, seems to be developed on discord, huge pet peeve of mine, as development is not properly documented on discord versus a forum.

Premined (but supposedly all will be air dropped, good luck trusting that), uses scrypt:10 (more ASIC resistant).

Lot's of basic information is missing on main site and reddit, only this thread provides it.

Seems to have hype, probably a pump and dump situation.

Small chance to be some type of a intermediate like dogecoin to avoid fees on exchanges perhaps?

When butterpool was working I got about 0.31 per hour, now on garlicsoup after 1 hour, 0.36.

Current Difficulty is 19-20.

Mining with a GTX 1060 6GB.

Mining for about 7 hours on default settings, got 1.17 GRLC from ButterPool in my wallet so far. However last payment was 2 hours ago, not sure why, so I switched to garlicsoup just now.

Average hashrate is 243 KH/s, I think I get 253-257 KH/s with --lookup-gap=2 but it seems to get invalid blocks far more often.

72-74C on card, just left everything on default as I'm not taking this too seriously.

Ambient temps are 24C.

Are you 100% sure the password is correct?

Did you use the latest sigtnatum wallet? That contained a possible trojan.

How much was in the wallet and have you verified the balance outside of wallet.

Pleasure to have a discussion with you as well, I hold no grudges towards this coin or signatum, just making a few very simple observations based on my thoughts in the open. I have nothing to lose or gain from any of this. I do wish the best for all the users of this coin and for the people left holding signatum, and of course my observation can be wrong and I unfortunately can't yet offer a solution from my thinking either. At at same time I don't see much success given the current situation. Perhaps if some further adjustments are made and some things are given more thought by more people, it might be possible? So good luck to all.

Yes I am just looking at what is known and how I think it should have been done. The problem for now is that no matter what the solution is going forward, I don't really see a way out. If they cancel the swap now SIGT will tank and confidence will be lost in devs, if they reverse premine or restart coin there are also various implications. Very tough call and I wish the developers and users the best. I will also say the current plan of 6 years is way too ambitious, I think the vast majority can't believe that a small altcoin like this would even last a few years (if not months). On top of that, this coin is so entangled with Signatum, which has such a tragic and shady history that it's simply unbelievable from my perspective.

That looks interesting, I was not aware of it. But there seem to be various limitations, like it only supports nicehash? Seems to have a fee and violates GPL? Also the binaries are missing as you say, and obviously no source available.

That's a good point, but of course the simple solution would be to hold the coin during swap and return after swap is complete. Or the most simple solution would be a 1:1 fork, if you wanted to simply continue SIGT.

That's a valid point as well, but I feel confidence of the community would have been much higher if there was no premine or fees. But I already answered this question, if the devs really thought this coin was worth it they could use their own funds to buy it early or invest in early mining. The entire point of any coin is that value is supposed to increase with time, if devs don't see this happening then it seems like another pump and dump situation. Also keep in mind that the reason originally why SIGT gained some popularity is due to the fact that there were no fees, ICO or premine.

Well i don't know about that, I was testing mining around this time and it was at least 100Mh/s and now it's 85Mh/s so seems a bit lower.

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Now here is a question for you Chromexnet. Do you actually believe that the current plan will work out? What suggestions are you willing to propose? Because as you can tell there are quite a few people voicing their opinion right now and it's not looking good. Do you really believe this coin will succeed with the current plans in motion?

Furthermore I just want to say, I am not a big holder of any coins, and have never invested any major amount into anything. I just love to experiment with mining on my computers. So I was never burned by SIGT, but I found it interesting and certainly some of the early hype was exciting. I was able to mine several hundred SIGT, mostly just to test things out & it was never worth much even at the very height. So my perspective is outside devs, bag holders, speculators/investors, etc. I'm just trying to figure things out and to see what the best solution moving forward, as I was interested in the continuation of SIGT community after everyone was so badly treated. A lot of opinion is clouded by people having certain investments, just wanted to point out this is not the case for me.

I'm just speculating on what should have happened from the start not that either of these suggestions can be applied right now, it's too late in my opinion. Probably something else needs to be done, if anything can be done at all.

As far as worse algo, while the new hash algorithm is interesting, people with AMD cards are not able to mine it at a good hash rate, which excludes a huge chunk of former SIGT users who are interested in mining.

In regards to the burn, there is a concern if it can really be executed fairly and transparently, so by removing it entirely and not having a cost to adopt this new coin makes it easier for people to switch? I'm not entirely sure what would have been the best course of action, but from my thinking the entire burn thing is tricky.

Incentive for the devs is a very complex subject, because it tends to gravitate towards a pump and dump situation. If the devs really believed in the longevity of this coin, they were first in position to basically buy or mine a bunch at a low price using their own funds versus creating it out of thin air. I would say that from the community viewpoint a coin without premine and dev fees is more appealing.

Last night hashrate at this time was around 100-115GH/s and now I am seeing 85GH/s, so it appears to be going down.

I read the information of the swap on github as well and I don't really see specific details on how and under what priority the swap will take place, except that you will need to pre-register and use a discord bot to do the trade. Could easily be abused, from what i can see.

Unless I am missing something?

If you wanted to save the bag holders of signatum, then developers should have just done a 2:1 swap with SIGT for 1 month or so (as to favor mining), no burn, keep the original algorithm (So both AMD/NVidia can mine) but bring it out of PoS and continue PoW, because PoS was clearly not working, zero premine, zero fee, same block reward as SIGT.

This would have probably made the coin survive for a little while longer due SIGT popularity and probably bailed out some people, but probably would have burned down the road anyways, unless developer continued to work on it.

SIGT in principle was a good coin, but some of the shady devs ruined it (with all the scams, pump/dump, poor communication) and Proof of Stake didn't appear to work that well.

If you wanted a new coin, with the same conditions as you have now. Should not have done the whole swap at all. Granted the coin would get very limited interest, but at least some people would mine it.

From what I am reading and further analyzing it seems to me that this project is pretty much doomed from the start.

Also making a coin on discord, should be done more visibly on forums/websites instead, it keeps a better record. Because not everyone was interested sitting in chat and reading about it.

I don't think you would ever get a single block solo mining, currently despite people dropping off the global hash rate is at least 100,000 MH/s. If you are running a single GPU you will make what 25-50 MH/s? Each block reward is only 9.5 coins. Now let's assume the average is 1 block every minute. Pretty sure if you do the math you'll quickly see it's a waste. Not to mention even if you hit a single block by chance, you will only make 9.5 coins, which is probably not worth much anyways, considering the swap is counting 1 STRAK as 4 SIGT (Currently 1.3 cents per a SIGT).