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161  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: why I think cryptocurrency market is a fake on: November 10, 2014, 06:23:18 AM
^ Understand Bitcoin is a Commodity, like gold and oil. It's also a "finite commodity" and we know exactly how much there will be and when it will all be mined. Bitcoin is a Scarce Object rarer than gold or diamonds.

http://web.archive.org/web/20070618142414/http://szabo.best.vwh.net/scarce.html
162  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: why I think cryptocurrency market is a fake on: November 10, 2014, 04:25:19 AM
@ op
I do agree, my personal view for the near future (5 years) is Bitcoin will be the payment system for services provided on the blockchain(ie...smart contracts, western union bill pay, etc...) and an internet payment option while also running co-existent like visa does to cash now. Bitcoin is still young......Thanks for your thread, please read shelling out and watch that video, it really worth it.

UPDATE: This is a real important read also:

http://szabo.best.vwh.net/ttps.html 
163  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: why I think cryptocurrency market is a fake on: November 10, 2014, 03:51:54 AM
^ I understand your point. I do see you putting good thought to this. I do see the threats, but I think Bitcoin will co-exist with things. Edit: for a certain period of time.

This reminds me of that paper going around awhile back. I'll post the link.

http://bitcoinunion.wordpress.com/2014/08/24/bitcoin-swift-and-the-brics/

This is a VERY interesting Paper.

It indicates that 250 million dollars could take bitcoin to a new level. It could be used by a coalition of countries as a payment system that would combat the US's ability to wage economic war on the world. It could be accomplished through the "SWIFT" Telecommunications Network. The author is calmly pointing out that this could effectively be done in an instant. The paper finishes by suggesting that even a few whales could make it happen.

I'm using my intuition, but I don't think this should be taken as lightly as it was written. They have explained something about global finance I have been searching for since knowing about game theory economics and Bitcoin.  

It's not just some kid who wrote this...this is a very intelligent game theoretical solution for a serious economic situation.

It is a brag almost, if its correct. The author seems to KNOW its correct.

In my opinion, the author is calmly suggesting, after first doing the math (and including 30 trillion I could have never realize existed), that a giant shift in the economics of the world could be achieved over night with a VERY insignificant amount of money. It could happen in one single blow. A giant amount of power could be taken away from those that are now in control the global economy.

They didn't ask if its correct, they said:  

Quote

"So I wonder who will be first to move".

This person is seeing and describing a war that most people cannot fathom exists, and just spelled out creation of the "atom bomb" that could put a stop to it.
164  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: why I think cryptocurrency market is a fake on: November 10, 2014, 03:36:37 AM
You have to research and see all the things the Bitcoin blockchain will enable.

I am an IT guy, I can figure out what things can be done and I am aware of some of them, but I cannot figure out who will want to do them, when you can work for companies that never get bankrupted and be paid in a gold backed currency. No entrepreneur can compete with these companies, close to governments, whom own the resources, never get bankrupted and trade internationally. So cryptos will be for the excluded ones.

That said, I will browse your links. Thanks for them.

They print the money with no gold to back it up. That's the problem. 170+ trillion in debt with 1.3 trillion in circulation and only 800 billion in the banks....they still give out FRB loans every day. Money that doesn't exist until you sign the loan papers and then poof...by the click of a key new money is created, not backed up by gold.
165  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: why I think cryptocurrency market is a fake on: November 10, 2014, 03:10:38 AM
Thanks for your comments. I am afraid of seeing one thing as current society evolves. I am afraid of seeing a new world reserve currency raising anytime soon, maybe backed in gold. I see governments separating people's currencies from government's currency, and cryptocurrencies being the resource of the poor people, those that did not get a chance for a government paid job. So, to properly understand where cryptoworld fits, it is required to understand where the rest is moving to.

For example, are you aware that there are political initiatives which will allow big companies no getting bankrupted anymore? This will be presented in Brisbane in 2 weeks by G-20.....Where does cryptoworld fit here?

Please watch that video and shelling out link I posted. I think this could answer a lot of your questions.

Bitcoin is the p2p payment system to be used on the massive ultra-secure blockchain ledger. You have to research and see all the things the Bitcoin blockchain will enable. Bitcoin should really take off once smart contracts get through their trial period and we can provide the facts to the general public. I believe this will be the point everyone is waiting on. Smart Contracts will enable loans, mortgages and registration of property such as car titles on the blockchain. Once the Bitcoin payment is made the door to the house or car you just bought will open or you will be able to print out your rental agreement. You see Bitcoin is the payment system that will be used for the smart contracts, not only person to person, but the smart contracts have digital agents which will have wallets also. Don't miss the whole point of Bitcoin being the means of payments for all the services that will be running on the blockchain. Thats why it was designed to act like a scarce commodity. Only 21 million will ever be available to be used to pay for all the services that will be available.

Note: I'm talking about Gavins Bitcoin 2.0 smart contracts, not altcoins.

UPDATE:

The first credit to Bitcoin in the white paper was a citation for Wei Dai’s “bmoney”.

The first paragraph of “bmoney”:
“It’s a community where the threat of violence is impotent because violence is impossible, and violence is impossible because its participants cannot be linked to their true names or physical locations”. ~Wei Dai

The Internet and Bitcoin were created to allow people to solve social problems in a novel way: Instead of the ancient formula of “the strongest wins and then beats the crap out of the loser” we all can achieve a peaceful society where both rich and poor, strong and weak can protect their property and freedom on more equal grounds without relying on violent institutions like governments.
166  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: why I think cryptocurrency market is a fake on: November 10, 2014, 03:00:57 AM
@ op

If you have not read this I would really recommend it concerning the economics of Bitcoin:

http://nakamotoinstitute.org/shelling-out/

http://web.archive.org/web/20070618142414/http://szabo.best.vwh.net/scarce.html

If you haven't watched this video please do, you will not be disappointed.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xUNGFZDO8mM

Bitcoin was influenced by Adam Smith’s “Wealth of Nations”, Adam Muller’s “HyperMoney”, Thomas Edison’s “Commodity Currency”, William Feller’s “Probability Theory”, John Nash’s “Ideal Money”, Tim May’s “Crypto-anarchy” and “David Chaum’s “DigiCash” with the help of  Nick Szabo’s acquired knowledge (including “BitGold” & “Scarce Objects”), Wei Dai’s “bmoney”(website & c++ lib.), Hal Finney’s “RPOW & PGP” and Adam Back’s “HashCash”.
http://muse.jhu.edu/journals/nlh/summary/v031/31.2gray.html
http://moneymorning.com/ext/bitcoin/videos/html-bitcoin.php?iris=167662&link_source=popup
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ideal_money

Bitcoin is the beginning of the completion of a “Kula Ring”, a unifying solution that bridges among other things, game theory, encryption, economics, finance, programming, and law.
167  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Altcoins are killing Bitcoin and Cryptocurrency as a whole on: November 09, 2014, 08:08:33 PM
It appears all you know about Bitcoin is from staying in the altcoin section too long. You definitely do not know the economics, finance, legal issues and mining facts involved with Bitcoin. Posts like yours reminds us all how far we have made it in this Revolution. You should really learn some basic facts about what's really going on here and you may finally get it.

Here's the speech:(3rd times a charm)

Bitcoin itself had in the past been vulnerable to very similar things that you said happened and now see happen with altcoins these days, but fortunately THAT WINDOW IS NOW CLOSED.

Part of the definition of the bitcoin protocol includes the checking of the proof of work put into various block chains, and then choosing the one with the most work. Bitcoin has more proof-of-work in its blockchain than any other competing cryptocurrency, and so by definition it must be the one chosen, and all others ignored.

Altcoins are all very similar to Bitcoin: there is a block chain to store transactions, a consensus mechanism to build the block chain, and a cryptographic protocol to register transactions. Some prominent examples are PPCoin, Primecoin, Litecoin, and Freicoin.

Some altcoins incorporate interesting new ideas, but there is an essential feature of Bitcoin which they all lack. It is not a matter of its technology, but rather of history and community. Quite simply, a medium of exchange that is more widely accepted on the market is more useful than one which is not. This is known as the network effect. An initial imbalance between two nearly equal media of exchange will benefit whichever is more widely accepted until a single one overwhelms the rest. There is no limit to this effect: ultimately one would always expect a single currency to overcome all its competitors.

Because it was started earlier and has had a greater opportunity to grow and attract users, Bitcoin has a market larger by a wide margin than all the markets of all the altcoins put together, and this makes it vastly more useful as a currency. To defeat Bitcoin, an altcoin would require not just superior technology, but such vastly superior technology as to be an advance over Bitcoin comparable to the advance Bitcoin represents over fiat currency. Furthermore, a truly great innovation would much better serve people by being incorporated into future versions of Bitcoin rather than by requiring them to switch to something else. Indeed, the people who have proposed new ideas that are actually good, such as Zerocoin and mini-blockchain, did not develop their own currencies around them, but have simply described their usefulness as features.

The Bitcoin community is not just overwhelmingly larger but of overwhelmingly better quality as well. Bitcoin is surrounded by real entrepreneurs working hard to create new and useful services for Bitcoin. Altcoins are surrounded by loud-mouthed pretenders with irrational hopes of duplicating Nakamoto's success. This does not mean that there is anything intrinsically wrong with altcoins: the problem is simply that once Bitcoin exists, then there is no additional value, from a monetary standpoint, of creating knock-offs. Can anyone really expect to create something of value by rereleasing Bitcoin under a new name and with a few tiny changes to its source code? What makes Bitcoin great cannot easily be duplicated. Thus, while the Bitcoin community matures and grows as more and more entrepreneurs are attracted to its potential, the altcoin communities can only whine for attention.

For a new currency to take bitcoins place it would have to represent a significant improvement over bitcoin, or bitcoin would have to first FAIL before this could happen. So the question is not will bitcoin become obsolete, but will (your proposed new coin) overtake bitcoin? I don’t see any reason to believe that Altcoins represents a fundamental new innovation with meaningful improved functionality.

In physics, we learn about the concept of entropy. Entropy is often described as “chaos”, “randomness”, or “disorder”. To simplify quantum mechanics as much as possible, imagine a basket with a line drawn down the middle, and throw some balls into the basket. If all the balls are on one side of the line, that is an ordered state and has low entropy. If the balls are spread across both sides then it has higher entropy.

Now, let us take the concept of entropy and apply it to cryptocurrencies. We can imagine each cryptocurrency created has a possibility that some value can be placed within it. If all possible value is placed in bitcoin, and none in litecoin or altcoin, then this is a low entropy state. The laws of thermodynamics dictate that entropy in a system should always increase. So we should expect the total cryptocurrency value to be spread among all the possible altcoins.

Going back to our example of balls in a basket, one can easily get all the balls onto one side of the line simply by tilting the basket. This represents the concept of enthalpy, or energy within the system. Just as gravity pulls the balls onto one side of the basket, enthalpy can pull things into a higher entropic state. The most proof-of-work has been put into bitcoin, and so it takes higher energy to put any value into an altcoin.

From an entropy standpoint, there will always be alternate currencies, and the value assigned to them will always be greater than zero. But from an enthalpy standpoint, bitcoin is favored over altcoins, so the total value of each altcoin will remain very low compared to bitcoins.

^ 100% agreed.
168  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [9000 TH] Slush's Pool (mining.bitcoin.cz); TX FEES + VarDiff on: November 09, 2014, 07:39:52 PM
This happens some times, front end out of wack. Back end always records correctly and any discrepancies are corrected along with correct payouts. If you look through thread you will see this. If your miner reports it's mining then slushs back end sees it and records it for proper payout.
169  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bruno Kucinskas will run for TBF board seat, running on Cody Wilson's platform. on: November 07, 2014, 07:50:24 PM
I've thought about it and you have my vote. Just keep a tight leash on it.
170  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [9000 TH] Slush's Pool (mining.bitcoin.cz); TX FEES + VarDiff on: November 07, 2014, 05:43:56 PM
I am even hoping that I loose that bet.

I just got back from taking my 3 year old son to the park to play.  Nice seeing BTC back up a little again.  Still a ways to go though.  It's possible...

Heck, I would be happy with $450.00

The reason I say that is because difficulty will be at least 43 billion next time it changes.  Could be as much as 46 billion.

I'm thinking it won't start climbing until after Gavins blockchain fork....but anything is possible.
171  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [9000 TH] Slush's Pool (mining.bitcoin.cz); TX FEES + VarDiff on: November 03, 2014, 07:26:48 PM
Best to use:

stratum.bitcoin.cz:3333
172  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin will just atrophe? on: November 02, 2014, 12:11:18 AM
In 1986 I had a Commodore Vic20 computer with a 56k phone modem. We used to dial up on bulletin boards(we were all local so it would not be long distance) and everyone said it was stupid and would not last, why would people type to each other on a computer when we could just talk on the phone. We were told by authorities we were tying up phone lines for important calls that need to be made and the government was sure illegal activities were going on. About 6 years later rumours came around that if we got a special computer and knew how to program, u could reach this world wide web. Immediately the accusations came about money laundering, drug dealing and inappropriate pictures so the government must regulate and monitor it with law enforcement. It even got to the point of the US wanting any website to be licensed by the FCC or it would not be allowed to be viewed in the US. A few years later the dial up internet took off and has developed into what we have today. It took about 15 years. I imagine Bitcoin will not take that long, but Bitcoin is still young and growing. If a person has not experienced an event like the internet coming to life, you probably can not see how Bitcoin is evolving right now.

If you have not read this I would really recommend it concerning the economics of Bitcoin:

http://nakamotoinstitute.org/shelling-out/

http://web.archive.org/web/20070618142414/http://szabo.best.vwh.net/scarce.html

If you haven't watched this video please do, you will not be disappointed.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xUNGFZDO8mM

The author in the op's link says Bitcoin has no value, but then he says the blockchain is real and he agrees he can see all the things it will enable(such as smart contracts), how does he think people will pay to use those services? Western Union? Visa? Post office money order? He missed the whole point of Bitcoin being the means of payment for the services offered on the blockchain. Thats why it's treated like a scarce commodity. Only 21 million will ever be available to be used to pay for all the services that will be available on the blockchain.
173  Other / Off-topic / Re: If you can get a wife from another country - which country wife you choose ? on: October 31, 2014, 10:47:31 PM
Kazakhstan women!!! Like sleeve of wizard Wink In my country we say to let a woman drive a car is like to let a monkey fly a plane, very dangerous yes. I uh, buy my wife, at the start she was uh, cook good, she work well, and she strong on plow. But after three years when she was fifteen, then she become weak. Time for new wife.


Note: all the above should be read with Borat's voice.
174  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: **PUBLIC ALERT** Change with process of "mining" BTC or it WILL fail. on: October 31, 2014, 03:58:47 PM

Pascal's Scams

http://unenumerated.blogspot.com/2012/07/pascals-scams-ii.html?m=1
175  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [9000 TH] Slush's Pool (mining.bitcoin.cz); TX FEES + VarDiff on: October 30, 2014, 11:55:31 PM
I'm still pissed because nobody laffed at my joke the other day>Sad

Looks like I deleted it Cry

Was it the one about the Ferengi wormhole?  Grin
I replied to that...


This may be off topic but my Amazon account is not working anymore(may be due to discount Amazon cards I bought in the forum marketplace) so I'll post my review here:

$21,950 + FREE shipping
Leica 10803 S (Tye 006) 37.5MP SLR Camera with 3-Inch TFT LCD Screen - Body Only (Black)
4 out of 5 Stars
http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B009DP5T22/ref=pd_aw_sbs_6?pi=SL500_SS115&simLd=1

I purchased this camera in lieu of paying rent on my apartment for 4 years, and believe me when I say it was worth it. I used the box that it came in as a hat and some other boxes for a home. It's uncomfortable but the pictures I've taken of my new home are so sharp that you can see the fleas on the brick I use for a pillow. I can also take high detail pictures of my children (who I am no longer able to see due to court order resulting from gross negligence) from an acceptable distance. Highly recommended!
176  Other / Off-topic / Re: How you drink your coffee? on: October 30, 2014, 12:06:23 AM
I really love coffee but a lot of coffee beans contain toxins. Alway look for good quality Arabica beans to help avoid the toxins.

Studies on coffee and health don’t control for processing methods or the source of the beans.  This means the coffee beans are almost always contaminated with mycotoxins.  Mycotoxins are damaging compounds created by molds which grow on coffee beans (among other things).  These compounds cause all sorts of health problems like cardiomyopathy, cancer, hypertension, kidney disease, and even brain damage.  They also make your coffee taste bitter, like it needs sugar.

Mycotoxins are in almost all low quality brands of coffee.  One study showed that 91.7% of green coffee beans were contaminated with mold.  This is before they were processed, which allows even more mold to grow.  Another study showed 52% of green coffee beans and almost 50 percent of brewed coffees are moldy.  Coffee is easily one of the largest sources of mycotoxins in the food supply.

Coffee is only bad for you if it serves as a delivery platform for mold.

Cheaper coffee varieties cost less because they use poor quality beans and they allow a higher percentage of damaged (moldy) beans, then companies process them with techniques that add flavor but amplify the amount of toxins.

“Blends” of coffee are bad news because they mix cheap beans from multiple areas, almost guaranteeing that you’ll get some moldy ones.  This is why its important to buy your coffee from a single estate, as outlined in the process for finding the highest performance coffee in your city. If you drink mass market coffee, the beans in your grinder may come from several countries. It’s the same logic that tells you not to eat a hamburger made from the meat of 10,000 animals.

Decaf coffee is even worse.  Caffeine is a natural anti-insect and antifungal defense mechanism for the plant.  It deters mold and other organisms from growing on the beans.  Mold is everywhere, but caffeine helps prevent it from growing on the beans while they’re in storage. When you remove the caffeine, your beans are defenseless.  Decaf coffee is higher in both aflatoxin and ochratoxin.  This is one of the reasons decaf tastes like camel sweat.

You might think the more expensive types of coffee will be good for you, but this isn’t the case.  Arabica beans are typically less moldy than robusta beans. (Robusta is what you find in Folgers and cheap coffee.) But even expensive types of coffee are usually processed with methods that allow mold to grow.

The natural process method is common in African coffee.  This allows the beans to sit outside where they can collect bird feces and other debris.  They mold. One of my favorite high end coffee roasters describes natural process beans as, “Delicious, flavorful, and psychedelic” because they affect how his brain works.
177  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [9000 TH] Slush's Pool (mining.bitcoin.cz); TX FEES + VarDiff on: October 29, 2014, 07:31:18 PM
^ Thanks, that's actually a great explanation. I wasn't connecting the difficulty shares to 100% luck with the rounds included. It makes sense now.
178  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [9000 TH] Slush's Pool (mining.bitcoin.cz); TX FEES + VarDiff on: October 29, 2014, 06:46:30 PM
Can someone explain the cumulative distribution function (CDF) from the stats page. I understand probability theory somewhat from when I was researching the W. Feller citation on the white paper, but I have always had a hard time applying it with Slush's graph. I have always just looked at the number around the one hour mark and if it's 20% or better it usually takes around 4 hours or less to find a block. I also watch it sit at 99% for hours waiting on a block. If someone could explain the number a little better this would help out a great deal. Thanks in advance.
179  Other / Off-topic / Re: What really happened to Phinnaeus Gage on June 17, 2014 @ 05:34:23 PM.... on: October 29, 2014, 05:43:44 PM
More clues reviled:

It's looking like he stopped by Vegas after leaving AMT miners.....It appears he may have been drugged.....the plot thickens.....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I4OzXjOKi9Q
180  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [9000 TH] Slush's Pool (mining.bitcoin.cz); TX FEES + VarDiff on: October 29, 2014, 03:44:04 PM
Wouldn't it be more profitable to buy BTC outright, than to buy new equipment? Unless/until BTC is worth many decimal points, earning fractions won't cover your electrical cost very well over the coming months, regardless of the upgrade.

My post wasn't meant to be malicious.
I was just pointing out the facts that new Asics are very efficient now and selling their old miner and buying a new is not a bad idea. My equipement as most others covers my electric with no problem, I do agree over the next few months Bitcoin will be low and volatile until after the fork, due to people knowing about it so soon. I also stated this is a good time to buy at these low prices.

Have a good day Wink Back to mining at Slush's Pool.....
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