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461  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Move away from all zero bits prefix? Because of the KISS Principal on: December 17, 2018, 02:06:10 AM
Well it could be an all '1' prefix? What do you want?

The idea here is that if you flip a coin and say head's is zero, then say you flip 20 coins what's the odd's of how ALL coins in a batch of 20, all turn up with head's? That's a well known math problem in probability, the the exact number of +51% flips required is a known-known. Thus the POW can be estimated upfront, and let the machines do the calc's. If you want the leading 30 to be zero, same deal it takes a little longer, more tosses.

KISS principal say's "Keep it Simple Stupid", I think that's what Satoshi had in mind here for his proof-of-work, a simple well known algo, and given that each sha256() call is essentially 257 random coin tosses, you can easily figure how many call's you have to make.

You could make this POW really complicated, but the question begs to be asked?? WHY?

One reason I think the POW could be made more complicated is to obsolete all the ASIC miners, say you wanted the 'lead' to be random sentence from the bible, now that would obsolete all asic boxes, but return mining to the cpus. Sort of the 1M monkey problem, if you put 1000Million monkeys on typewriters eventually one of them will write moby-dick ( well at least I'm Ishmael )


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Is there a good reason any longer for the rule that the success of a Bitcoin proof of work has to be that there is an all-zero bits prefix?
The PoW is the challenge to find a hash which represents a number inferior than the target. It happens that represented in hexadecimal the target has X leading 0 but it is not all about the challenge.

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For instance, suppose I want to create a blockchain just for mypersonaldomain.co.
Do you mean a network similar to Bitcoin ?

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The Bitcoin block format would have to be revised to include my blockchain's 256-bit prefix
I don't think this is going to happen.

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the world could benefit from 2^256 unique blockchains.
What do you mean ?
462  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: China's plan to sideline bitcoin on: December 17, 2018, 02:00:17 AM
I reckon the People's Bank of China's does not appear to understand what the cryptospace is if their plan to sideline bitcoin is to issue a restrictive digital form of fiat. It will only be another token pegged to fiat that is similar to USDT. However, more dangerous.



The People’s Bank of China, the country’s central bank, plans to introduce a digital currency of its own. But unlike the decentralized blockchain-based offerings, this one could give Beijing more control over its financial system. It would enhance the PBOC’s ability to root out risks and crack down on money laundering. It could also give the government an unprecedented window into individuals’ private lives.

The currency would initially replace cash, PBOC Deputy Governor Fan Yifei wrote in an article earlier this year. According to patents registered by the central bank, consumers and businesses would download a mobile wallet and swap their yuan for the digital money, which they could use to make and receive payments. Crucially, the PBOC could also track every time money changes hands. Fan suggested in his article that banks would need to submit daily information on transactions and that there would be caps on transactions by individuals. The PBOC declined to comment.

The project was started by the former governor of China’s central bank, Zhou Xiaochuan, who retired in March. He decided to develop the digital currency in part to protect China from having to adopt a technology standard, like Bitcoin, designed and controlled by others.



Jack Ma is now high-tech admin of china communist party, jack ma owns +90% of all crypto mining, & pools on earth, richest man in China, and now head of tech for CCP.

So what's the point of this OP? To distract? To suggest that they don't already own 100% of the crypto-universe?

The CCP already owns BTC, and has owned it 5+ years past. The CCP owns all alt-crypto mining hw & pools as well, the chinese cannot lose this game.

It's clear that BIS has designated China as NWO post USD collapse.


Read in full https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-12-13/china-s-plan-to-sideline-bitcoin
463  Other / Meta / Re: Forum is now Deleting Negative Posts - Imagine Reality if the Negative Stayed? on: December 16, 2018, 11:09:21 PM
Well current situation reminds me of last Dec 2017, every negative post on this forum was deleted or poster banned, and that didn't stop the price fall,

So now we head towards xmas, and once again the 'gods' of this forum delete negative information on hopes that the collapse of btc to zero will cease.

Just pointing out the obvious that in the worse of times the 'gods' do the worst of things.

That the forum just be a 'confirmation circle jerk', as not to be the original goal of bitcoin, that now the only mission of this forum is price support it telling that China, Bitmain, Antminer, Alibab-Amazon OWN this forum. Note also this forum is hosted by amazon-aws, who work directly with Antminer which is owned by Jack Ma, a major share-holder of  amazon, richest man in china, and new head of chinese communist party.

First rule of bitcoin, never mention 'Jack Ma' the owner of BITCOIN COMMUNITY, and head of Communist Party China. Never mentions the ties of Alibaba & Amazon, and that Amazon hosts this forum, but Alibaba owns BITCOIN +90% by virtue of owning BITMAIN and a majority of chinese mining pools +90%
464  Other / Meta / Forum is now Deleting Negative Posts - Imagine Reality if the Negative Stayed? on: December 16, 2018, 10:55:21 PM
Well current situation reminds me of last Dec 2017, every negative post on this forum was deleted or poster banned, and that didn't stop the price fall,

So now we head towards xmas, and once again the 'gods' of this forum delete negative information on hopes that the collapse of btc to zero will cease.

Just pointing out the obvious that in the worse of times the 'gods' do the worst of things.

That the forum just be a 'confirmation circle jerk', as not to be the original goal of bitcoin, that now the only mission of this forum is price support it telling that China, Bitmain, Antminer, Alibab-Amazon OWN this forum. Note also this forum is hosted by amazon-aws, who work directly with Antminer which is owned by Jack Ma, a major share-holder of  amazon, richest man in china, and new head of chinese communist party.
465  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: QUESTIONS 51% attack possible? Is BTC dead for good? on: December 16, 2018, 02:10:47 PM
With the giant asic mining operations about to go belly up.
I see nothing stopping a super rich person or group from picking up their equipment dirt cheap at liquidation and running a 51% attack to wrek the whole network.

Thoughts please

This is another MORON theme here right?

As a matter of 'fact' bitmain ASIC antminer class machines are the 90% gorrilla who all along have had the BTC monopoly, and they all call home to MOM (CHINA)

+51% has been in the hands of Jack Ma ( alibaba ) and CCP for 4+ years, why would they wreck the golden-goose that brings real US dollars home to China??

The s-9 is already dirt cheap, but why buy it when you lose $2/day to run it, its just a load household heater, and only a moron would tolerate the 99db jet engine in his living room to heat his/her chinese flat

The deal is that all the mining hw is made by one chinese company, and they also own all the mining pools, so the entire narrative that 51% of good makes btc good is bullshit, as the chinese have had +90% under the house since 2014.

Fleeces hairlips in the west has made billion's of US dollars, hell lets remember that in the last few months close to ONE Trillion US dollars has 'evaporated' in crypto, that a nice way of saying the west is $1T fiat more poor, and the east is $1T richer to buy real-estate and gold from the west.

But talk of 51% when you ignore 90% is the ultimate example of the bitcoin community being a cult of morons.
466  Economy / Speculation / Re: Tulip comparisons looking true now on: December 16, 2018, 12:43:08 PM
Can you deny it?  Everyone who has brought in the last year has lost money.  

Seriously, people don't understand 'tulip mania'

Mostly like SHIT-COIN's today,

There were very valuable 'bulbs' that rich people traded, who loved the flowers, and these bulbs were invaluable, not unlike 'real gold'.

But what happened was that 'morons' were taught that ordinairy onions were also the same as these 'bulbs', and thus onions were traded at the markets as 'tulip bulbs',

So I guess you could compare bitcoin and the shitcoin ( clones ) where BTC is the real 'tulip bulb', and the shitcoins are the onions that morons were trading

Eventually the mania ( for the public ) ended, but the rich kept on collecting exotic tulips,

The fact is that most of the 'public' never even saw a real tulip, they were just SOLD garbage, not unlike ICO's and shitcoin of today, the gardens of the rich, were never seen by the morons, they were private gardens of the most rich people in Europe.

Not unlike of when our morons here talk of 'whales'

Lastly, BITCOIN is also a shitcoin, she is the mother of +2100 shitcoins, only a mother can love her shitty offspring.
467  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin Mining vs Buying on: December 16, 2018, 11:41:45 AM
Is it better to get BTC via mining or buying now?
It was no longer profitable early this year for mining. However, with the recent price surge, does mining becomes profitable now?
If yes, any suggestion? There are quite many cloud miner in the market.

Mining at 0.10/kilowatt, essentially a dime per kwh will net your -$2 USD, .e.g. you lose two bucks a day when mining on an ANTMINER s-9, trouble is hardly nobody sells electricity that cheap, normal price is 0.15/kwh

Say you were a gold miner, if you can't get 2X of GOLD for expense then you close the mine, funny how the asshole here still with a straight face call it 'mining', when its in fact no longer profitable, and if it were 'mining', it would be 100% shutdown.

Now towards BUYING, that is a fools game, PAYING real money for random numbers was always a MORON-PLAY,

Mining back in the day, was ok, hell last year you could get 50 barrels of oil (value)  for 20 barrels of oil expended energy, say a 250% ROI, ok but now IT's GAME OVER as they say,

Lastly, everybody KNOWS that BTC is going back to $1k first, then $400, so why in the hell buy now, when you can wait, and accumulate later, just don't HODL, cuz the long term value is ZERO.
468  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Millennials are ‘delusional’ about how rich they’re going to be on: December 08, 2018, 09:00:47 AM
People mortgaging a house , (that was already paid for)
Using Credit Card Debt to Buy as much Crypto as Possible,

This is something that is generally discouraged, people are advised to only invest amounts they can afford to lose, and should never invest money they do not own.

All thinking it was going to make them Ultra Rich, and the exact opposite has occurred,
Prices are Crashing with little incentive for anyone to buy them , as everyone knows the price is going lower.

Well, Bitcoin has been responsible for making people ultra rich, for everyone buying at the top, there's another who bought lower and is selling for a profit. A lot of people's let have benefited from bitcoin, but just like trading in any sector, everyone can not win, everytime

Well most of the Economists are saying a Trillion USD evaporated in the collapse of the crypto paraobolic-rise, IMHO the chinese who mined the majority, sold all along and pushed 'hodl' narrative, it would be interesting if the majority truly evaporated and or changed hands, I suspect that a lot did evaporate, as so much of the crypto wealth was funny numbers ran by exchanges, where they were buying/selling 'fiat crypto', meaning they where selling shares of bitcoin that they didn't actually own

I don't think any HODL-rs got rich, I think they got fucked, but certainly the CHINESE BITMAIN and friends made 100's of billions of US dollars, and used it to buy western real estate.
469  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Millennials are ‘delusional’ about how rich they’re going to be on: December 08, 2018, 08:46:08 AM
Just Millennials? I think everyone has such delusion.
The desire for wealth is irrespective of age, which is the nature of humanity.

Agreed should say 'millenial hodl'rs

but there is a hard message that millenials are soft idiots, unlike the prior john-wayne era of 50's,
470  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Millennials are ‘delusional’ about how rich they’re going to be on: December 08, 2018, 08:21:27 AM
http://www.investmentwatchblog.com/millennials-are-delusional-about-how-rich-theyre-going-to-be/

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So why do so many think they’ll be rich? They may be “delusional” about “how much money they are able to save and how much they will be able to earn,” explains Agnes Kowalski, a wealth therapist — who adds this can happen with people of all ages. But she explains that millennials in particular “have incredibly powerful new belief systems about not capping how much money can be earned” as “there are so many careers that were non-existent even 10 years ago” — which may help explain why they think seven figures is possible.

Interesting enough, you see this in Bitcoin all of the time.

People mortgaging a house , (that was already paid for)
Using Credit Card Debt to Buy as much Crypto as Possible,
(This lead up to the $20000 overpriced BTC, and the blockage by Banks aided the downward collapse of BTC)

All thinking it was going to make them Ultra Rich, and the exact opposite has occurred,
Prices are Crashing with little incentive for anyone to buy them , as everyone knows the price is going lower.

FYI:
All those people that purchased BTC with CC Debt , and now can't afford to even pay off that CC Debt.  Tongue
https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-12-06/economic-downturn-credit-cards-arent-being-paid-accounts-are-being-closed
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A new report is shining some light on an indicator that the economy is about to take a major downturn.  
Credit card accounts are not being paid and some accounts are being closed in anticipation for an upcoming recession.

So the next guy that yells BTC will Moon Again, ask him/her , who is left that is stupid enough to throw their money at it,
when it has already wiped out the financial future of millions that believed in it like a false religion.

FYI2:
To all of fanatics that claim , you don't lose anything til you sell.
Go tell that bullshit to the guy losing his house and possibility his wife, because his job can't pay the new mortgage.  
Or the millions that credit is destroyed.
It is 7 years to restore bad credit, so expect this crypto winter to be as least 7 years.
Does anyone really think BTC can survive a 7 year bear market?
BTC Death Spiral in less than 3 years, set your watch.   Cool

Its much worse,

The stock-market of 29' took 30 years to recover,

The gold crash of 1978-1982 took 20 years to recover,

HODL'r morons don't understand that these HUGE trillion usd parabolic-rises, takes generations for people to forget, and return.
471  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Market still in the early stages of Collapse, only the Stupid buy this early on: December 08, 2018, 08:17:02 AM
I know that majority will soon regret, sooner the price of bitcoin will escalate. There is no perfect speculator or analyst that I can hold on his or her words to either buy or sell bitcoin. Just be wise.


Guy the miners that make btc work are shorting, who knows more about btc than them.

If the miners are shorting then BTC is Fucked, no way to deny that.

BTC was always fucked, we all knew that, and we knew it would end this way,

Two or Three reasons

1.) No free electricity anymore in china, that door got closed last year
2.) Bitmain is giving away s-9s they have no value
3.) it now costs more to mine, than the what you 'win', running a s-9 miner right now means you lose $2/day, per machine,

Lastly, real miners only mine for a profit, only 'virtual miners' mine for a loss, just like HODL-ers hold 'virtual shit' and wait for a virtual gain.
472  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: TROUBLED, PANIC ? READ THIS on: December 08, 2018, 07:37:43 AM
If you really want to Panic ,
Read This => https://www.trustnodes.com/2018/12/06/chinese-miners-have-become-the-biggest-crypto-short-sellers-says-local-media

Chinese Miners are Shorting Bitcoin down to ZERO!

If the Miners have no faith in it, only the stupid are still supporting it.

These MINERS are the people with all the shit-coin,

They're the reason the entire space is down 90%, and they own +90%, when they're done, nothing left but HODL'ers, probably retarded white hairlips

Just like 51% bullshit, hell if you want to get technical, this site is hosted by amazon, which is tied to alibaba, which is owned by jack-ma, who owns all the pools and miners, and mining ops, if you want to get weird u might even want to speculate that this entire 'HODL' was orchestrated by the OWNERS all along, including the post 2014 "HODL" narrative.

Lastly, MINING is KAPUT, miners if they're smart sell because mining is no longer profitable, and it ain't mining anymore when your losing money, a 'real mining operation' only mines when he's getting more gold from the ground, than the cost to extract that gold, once he can't make 2x ROI the mine shuts down.

So now we can clearly see that running bitcoin 'miners' ain't mining, its just heating the house ( very inefficiently )


IMHO the chinese ultra-rich (jack ma) who own all the crypto's by the fact they own all the miners, have all along sold-out as they mined, but they told the HODL-HAIRLIP to HODL the bag, now with MINING DEAD, and game-over, the end is near

GOOD NEWS in case you didn't know, in the last two years BITMAIN pulled out of mining, and got into ML, now they sell cameras that read faces and ID people, and that is their biggest business in China, ... they also sell DRONES that do the same thing, and LEO runs them in USA, its a business for BITMAIN that's bigger than CRYPTO

It's over, but don't tell the HAIR-LIP, tell him to HODL to zero
473  Economy / Speculation / Re: Crucial time for bitcoin! on: December 08, 2018, 03:30:28 AM
It's just history repeating it self. The price is heavily manipulated. I'm hoping for it make a floor arond $1200 and then we'll see!


Well everything eventually reverts to the mean, and $1200 is a good guess, BUT who is going to re-inflate the ponzi?

Is there really a fresh flock of NEWBS to scam?

Like somebody here said, the NEWBS last time didn't re-enter until $6k,  so our curreny newbs have already lost 1/2 their money, and those were the early noobs,

In 2014 btc was still a nerd thing, and a lot of nerds drove up the price, but in 2017 morons came in, and now they lost all their money

So on the next PUMP who in the hell are you people going to sell this shit-coin too?? I really want to know, are you just going to buy it yourselves??

The greater fool theory always has a time expiration date, and you always run out of fools with MONEY, IMHO that time of of the 'greatest fool' is now, and that be YOU.
474  Economy / Speculation / Re: What will be the possible outcome if bitcoin still continue to depreciate? on: December 08, 2018, 03:18:45 AM
That will be a question if what will happen if bitcoin continue its fall of price? What will be the impact to the investors and traders?

They'll lose money. Then life will go on. Wink I doubt there will be any implications for non-cryptocurrency markets.

I'm sure new investors are hurting right now, but if they can wait a few years and hold onto their coins, they'll probably make good profits. I was around in 2014 and the atmosphere now is pretty similar.

The crypto market cap didn't lose a trillion USD in 2014, then it was a few million, this bitch ain't coming back.

Get over it, and deal with reality.

Where in the HELL is the new Trillion going to come from to blow the bubble next time? QE? Nada, that was a one trick pony uncle-scam played, and much of QE flowed to BTC and other shit-coins.
475  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Please PPL - Show Me One Promise that BTC Fullfilled? Lies&Bullshit is BTC on: December 08, 2018, 03:14:51 AM
Little people clamoring for 'regulation', Ripple steps forward with corporate/fascist GOV 'regulation', Ripple becomes #1 last crypto standing, little people celebrate the loss of BITCOIN and the Freedom of Slavery.

IMHO Bitcoin never had a chance, it was proof of concept, it was first,  but somebody wanted to put a very bad taste into the mouth's of people who clamor for freedom, privacy, safety, security, and anonymity;

What has come out from the fall of BTC is a CALL for pure crypto-fascism.

Even the HODL-ers and normal speculators, a great majority on this forum say they don't care about basic rights, that only getting rich matters in life.

So there you have it a FASCIST GOV corporate/USA/CIA-NSA imperial power that promises you all to be rich, all you return is that you get on your knees and stay there.
476  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Food for thought !! Why are people not buying ! on: December 08, 2018, 03:10:44 AM
you can't say people are not buying anymore, if they weren't buying then volume would have been absolute 0! but as you can see that is not the case and volume is huge which shows people are buying but the difference is that there are larger amounts of bitcoin being sold in one go that the market can not react as fast so the price drops.

"THE TAPE DOESN'T LIE"

Massive Volume and the Price is going down, the trend is Down

At the current price ($3400) we have only given back to Aug 2017 level, this thing will go back to Jan 2017, where the current parabolic-rise began, and that is about $1k, but the real support PRE-SCAM was $400.

"The Tape doesn't Lie", but BITCOIN pumper's just lie, or are they plain dumb, or a combination of all of the above?

https://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/bitcoin/

"HODL to ZERO, cuz a ghost name Satoshi wants to prune the flock"

Little people clamoring for 'regulation', Ripple steps forward with corporate/fascist GOV 'regulation', Ripple becomes #1 last crypto standing, little people celebrate the loss of BITCOIN and the Freedom of Slavery.

IMHO Bitcoin never had a chance, it was proof of concept, it was first,  but somebody wanted to put a very bad taste into the mouthes of people who clamor for freedom, privacy, safety, security, and anonymity; What has come out from the fall of BTC is a CALL for pure crypto-fascism.
477  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Food for thought !! Why are people not buying ! on: December 08, 2018, 03:02:06 AM
I am sure the new investor will come to bitcoin, and they will buy a lot of bitcoin because they see this is the right time to buy bitcoin. But they don't buy with all of the money, but they will make a test price first to see the trend. I am sure that many of us still purchase bitcoin especially for the people who still have a lot of money from the last December. They will buy more bitcoin because the price is too low right now and they will hold it until the rate can increase higher.

The majority know its going to $1k, so why buy now, just wait.



Then a lot of people KNOW its going back to $400, so why buy now, just wait.
478  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Food for thought !! Why are people not buying ! on: December 08, 2018, 02:51:32 AM
Now that Bitcoin has fallen in price why are we not seeing buy ups.  If investors were buying it should push the price back up, but instead it continues to fall. This tells me that investors are no longer buying which is kinda worrying.

CRYPTO just lost $1 Trillion US Dollars, where in the fucking hell is new money going to come from to RAISE the ponzi ship?

The boat has sunk, and no new money will be found, and nobody is going to wade back into the shark infested waters of cRYPto, hell even banks will no longers let retards buy btc with credit-cards.


All parabolic-rises end this way in human history.

Do you think this fall is peculiar to crypto, therefore it's a ponzi? And what about the stocks then, have you seen how much they are dipping ?

There are general economic difficulties now, it's not an issue with crypto specifically.

I can think of one possible reason for this: a war is expected between Russia/China vs USA , and in wartime many investors pull out.
They used to buy gold in these cases, but i think that trend is no more.

BITCOIN is just software, the people who talk 'HODL' and pump btc post 2014 are the ponzi orchestrators, originally btc was just a test for crypto, but along the way assholes ( traders ) saw a way to make a quick-buck, "Turn shit into Gold"

All SCAMS end this way, why do you think this scam has an infinite horizon? Hell regulation is coming the scammers ( cockroaches ), will dissapear, for they fear JAIL.
479  Economy / Speculation / Re: Whats wrong with the market? on: December 08, 2018, 02:48:28 AM
i think the market is not wrong in this matter,
it's just that some people are easily incited by the FUD that revolves around it. they will regret it in the future.

strong holders will eat weak holders. be wise in making decisions, don't let you lose more money just because of FUD.

'strong holder' - a person who HODL's to zero is STRONG ( Orwellian? just kinda sorta ), ignorance is strength, freedom is slavery, poverty is wealth(BTC)

'weak holder' - a person who takes his profits and buys on the dip

'smart holder' - a person who doesn't buy btc, or the HODL narrative
480  Economy / Speculation / Re: What will be the possible outcome if bitcoin still continue to depreciate? on: December 08, 2018, 01:59:00 AM
That will be a question if what will happen if bitcoin continue its fall of price? What will be the impact to the investors and traders?

When BITCOIN falls to $400 people will be lucky

When Bitcoin falls to $100, people will wish it was $400

Who will continue to buy into a collapsing ponzi? I'm sure we'll still see the normal assholes here yelling "HODL" all the way to zero.

When BTC get's to $1, people will talk about $21k, and nobody will ever believe it was true.
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