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181  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: July 25, 2014, 05:29:26 PM
Are we seriously sitting here debating why we dipped less than 3%. Man I remember when no one even noticed 3% in either direction. Now it's cause for great debate and speculation.
A lot of people are concerned because their fully leveraged long positions on bitfinex come closer to their margin calls each day. Most people expect a bubble to happen magically as well.
182  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: July 24, 2014, 05:25:10 PM
Dump harderrrrrr pleaseeeeeeeeee it will expedite imo this lul in the market and my fiat cannons have no option but to fire if we break under 550 again ..

I never get this logic.
I assume you believe we will be going up or otherwise you wouldn't want to buy. Why do you care about 50 bucks then? The way things look i'd say it's a rather small chance we go to 550 again. Why would you take that risk?
I personally find it very likely that we will go below 550 and soon. So I will take my positions accordingly.
183  Economy / Speculation / Re: This Bitfinex Credit Bubble cannot end well on: July 24, 2014, 02:38:16 PM
Long squeeze time  Cheesy

More like bear squeeze Wink
Whens your margin call?  Cry
184  Economy / Speculation / Re: This Bitfinex Credit Bubble cannot end well on: July 24, 2014, 01:41:31 PM
Long squeeze time  Cheesy
185  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: July 24, 2014, 01:38:39 PM
Finally we can get through the long squeeze. Get ready for the flash crash bitfinex  Smiley
186  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: July 21, 2014, 03:46:40 PM
We went up 3 dollars so people have to take their 20 bucks profit you know.

I was just reading some garbage over on reddit that a self-described "non-professional" market trader with 25 years of experience posted.  It blew his mind at how the people trading this market had no idea what they were doing.  One point in specific, he noticed that people continue to want the price to crash so that they can "buy back in".  That, coupled with the apparent inability for people to let their winners run caused him to speculate that if/when Wall Street level traders do show up, that the "day tradurrz" of BTC right now are going to get chewed the fuck up.

I can't wait.

Wishful thinking. If anything, I believe part of the reason why the current uptrend drags out like it does is because the market is increasingly professionalized: in the absence of a strong "irrational" trend towards a new ATH (i.e. a new fiat floodgate opening and thousand of new investors/speculators/users entering the market), the rational thing to do is take small profits early rather than hope for larger profits later. Why? Because the same incentive exists for the other market participants, so if you're waiting too long for your profit of n%, I'm going to jump in and take a profit of n-1% and will be happy (and you won't make a profit any more at all).

tl;dr tragedy of the commons effect - right now, the individually rational thing to do is take small-ish profits rather than hope for the "big one".
I disagree with the market being a lot more "professional" at this point and I don't think anyone is making much money by taking small profits in this ranging market. This sort of short term low volatility has happened before, when the market was presumably less professional, right? The "strong 'irrational' trends towards a new ATH" do not happen unless a lot of new people (mostly speculators) are introduced into the market. I feel as though the stability we have seen is just the bulls running out of money (see maxed out leverage on bitfinex by crazy people, who have probably lost 10% of their trade money from interest already), but also few are bearish enough to start selling much because this is bitcoin and it will be big in the future.

The thought that the market might be more professional now made me think about something else, though. We all want another bubble to begin and everyone says it will start when the "institutional" money arrives from Wall Street. Well, I don't think professionals are going to participate in a bubble, and they definitely will not keep buying after we go past the ATH because they will realize its way to risky at that point. However, the ETF will allow a lot of regular people to trade bitcoin so that might propel the price beyond at that point.
187  Economy / Speculation / Re: This Bitfinex Credit Bubble cannot end well on: July 21, 2014, 04:24:14 AM
Is a roll-back during such a cascading crash really a safe thing to do or may people be left without their money?

what they do is halt trading when the flash crash occurs, then they keep trading frozen while they wait for other markets to recover. then they unfreeze trading after rolling back flash crash trades. and lots of traders get screwed....

...and the idea that they might freeze trades to protect lenders discourages people from betting on a flash crash and so the bid order book remains thin.

I would think that a lot of people have a price in mind that they would buy bitcoin at if the price were to drop to a certain level.

Just because the order book is thin doesn't mean people will not step in to purchase if the price drops, say 10%
Under normal circumstances I would definitely step in to buy some if bitcoin drops 10% or more in a short period of time but consider that some people like me will not at this point in time because of the looming threat of a liquidation event on bitfinex if the price does drop about 10-20%; I have orders set really low and I hope that if they get filled bitfinex does not rollback trades. I'm also not sure about reports that bitfinex rolled back most trades during the last liquidation event in early February because my order at, if I remember correctly, 520~ was filled, and the flash crash happened in the low 600 range; and once trading resumed the price started higher than my order.
188  Economy / Speculation / Re: This Bitfinex Credit Bubble cannot end well on: July 19, 2014, 04:53:53 PM
Molecular: These are loans funded by lenders sending hard cash to an unknown company in an unknown jurisdiction with no recourse if things go wrong. Nobody will lend money on that basis without a damn good return.

I'm not complaining about high swap rates. It's a free market.


You might wonder why a trader would pay these rates. You'd have to ask them but my guess is convenience and simplicity plus what is the alternative if you want to margin trade btc but don't have ready access to cheap dollar loans.

As you say, it's a free market.

Well, there's Meta Trader 4 and FX Open. No interest/swaps. Isn't there no swaps on BTC.SX? Not sure. But you do then also have to deal with artificial spreads. But this kind of interest in a sideways market kills positions.

It should kill positions. I'm not sure it does, doesn't look like it. Either revolving door (I don't believe it, we should see more volume) or those longs are just holding on desperately. (If they are longs at all)
My guess is its partly a revolving door but also if you read some of these threads on here and reddit, the majority of people are expecting a bubble for no good reason so my guess is it is just a bunch of bull idiots expecting a bubble very soon, and they are bad traders so they don't understand yet how bad holding those loans is.
189  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: July 15, 2014, 04:37:10 PM
Yep.  And he also just follows the crowd of other wannabe TA newbs.  I can't WAIT for the short squeeze.  Grin

There are barely any shorts out there, a long squeeze is far more probable at the moment.

I think you are mistaken. Although technically not shorts, many people sold a large portion of their holdings trying to buy back cheaper. When the price escapes from them they'll panic buy. It's one of the first things that happen when a growth spurt is looking to start and is actually the thing that really ignites it Smiley
No, I think you are mistaken. The only people who would sell right now to buy in lower are speculators, and the fact that longs have not dropped at all recently, and in fact continue to rise daily (on bitfinex), indicates that the majority of speculators have not cut back their long positions at all.
190  Economy / Speculation / Re: This Bitfinex Credit Bubble cannot end well on: July 13, 2014, 10:36:40 PM
I was confused by the way they worded it... does this mean you cannot go 3.5:1 leverage long btc if you only have btc in your margin wallet now? Also, does anyone want to speculate the amount of total hidden orders above 100 or so? I don't think it would be more than the amount of not-hidden orders above that amount. I just want to get an idea about how much liquidity they actually have, because I'm finding the likelihood of a flash crash more and more likely as the interest the longs have to pay continues to pile on while the price continues to go nowhere.
191  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: July 04, 2014, 02:12:06 PM
Who would've guessed. Best week ever. Nothing but amazing news.
One fuddish news article and down we go.

Seriously how are we ever supposed to go up again if amazing news does nothing and any slightly negative news and it's dump fest.

This current dumping was so expected. They were just waiting for an excuse. Really anything could've done it.
It's all about fear and panic. It's what everyone is waiting for. All day they hoover their finger over the sell button thinking "can i dump already". Then they read a headline "bank EU warning" and bam! Dump!

So sick of it.
I totally understand why new people are afraid to buy. They see that anything, really anything causes people to dump. I wouldn't buy at these levels. I wouldn't advise my friends to buy.


We need to squeeze those longs, free some money up.

I only read you, Shrooms for the quote, because you are ignored some time ago. You seriously should try yoga, meditation, spending time in the beach/mountain. Your post reflex you are having a really bad time, day by day. Stop worring. Breathe. Go nature. It will fix itself.

But seriously - the dumps and hesitancy to rise despite all the good news. There has got to be a limit to the amount sellers can sell (weak hands, strong hands argument).
So what is going on? Where are all the sellers coming from? Twitchy day-traders or early adopters with big stashes taking advantage of better liquidity?
Anyone have any insights, ideally backed up with some evidence like days destroyed or exchange data?
On the other hand, there has to be a limit to the amount buyers can buy. And judging from the longs on bitfinex, and the uberbullish sentiment from people on these forums, everyone has bought as much as they possibly can already.
192  Economy / Speculation / Re: This Bitfinex Credit Bubble cannot end well on: July 03, 2014, 02:36:37 PM
There's almost 29M usd swaps now on bitfinex, and to me it looks like the upward momentum has stopped. If the price ranges from 640-660 for a while with no upward movement the probability of a long squeeze is going to increase dangerously.
193  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: June 30, 2014, 06:42:30 AM
On Bitstamp, BTC-e, and Bitfinex, there was a surge in volume (peaking at 300-700 BTC/min) while the price was shooting up, but when the rally stalled then volume dropped again to the very low levels it had before (10-30 BTC/min).

On Huobi and OKCoin, volume surged to about the same levels (~600 BTC/min) during the rally, but then it remained high (~120 BTC/min) while the price wandered between ~3800 and ~3820.

Need I say that I see that as evidence that the rally happened in China, and the trades in the West were mainly arbitrage?

Why are you so obsessed with the Chinese having to lead the exchanges? Its clear that stamp/finex led this based on how much they moved up (15-20 $) while huobi went up around $10. The volume can easily be explained by the fact that the chinese exchanges have no trading fees. As an example some Chinese traders may be selling during the rally to buy back a few minutes later at a little lower price, which isn't as easy if there are trading fees that will cut into profit.
194  Economy / Speculation / Re: Stop talking about the damn SR coins - it is the LEAST significant price mover on: June 26, 2014, 04:53:54 AM
For the past 2 weeks and for probably another week, the news surrounding the auction has had/will have the most impact on the price imo. The 51% attack FUD was just used to amplify the uncertainty and bearishness in general but it is not the main story or a big problem - the same FUD has occured in the past and not had much impact on its own. Also for the moment Stamp is leading the other exchanges and China is following, which suggests that China isn't fearing more government regulations, but this could change at any moment and have a much larger impact on the market depending on what happens.
195  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: March 28, 2014, 06:46:47 PM
15k bitcoin wall at 510 on BFX.
196  Economy / Speculation / Re: $300 or $800 next? on: March 27, 2014, 05:50:20 PM
The scary thing is that anything is possible at this point. The announcement of the IRS taxing Bitcoin has already caused it to fall 11% in the past 24 hours, one of the biggest drops since the Mt. Gox incident. If something similar were to happen again now, I could certainly see it going under $300.

However that's quite unlikely. A lot of people have buy orders in the $400 range, including myself. I think Bitcoin will slowly recover and continue to rise. I certainly wouldn't be selling right now.

My vote goes for $800.

Long term the price will rise and there is a lot of support each time we go down a tiny bit

A huge problem in the protocol or something similar is always possible but it is probably priced in and unlikely
A huge problem in the protocol is definitely not priced in.
197  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: March 18, 2014, 12:05:04 PM
is bitcoinwisdom down for anyone else?
nvm its back
198  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: March 12, 2014, 12:04:46 AM
Overstock CEO bought in the 800s and now is getting desperate  Grin Grin Grin

Honestly though I hate that guy; something about him just seems off to me. He's one of those guys spreading bullshit. On these forums you will find the same people but they have no power and are usually hodlers, but when someone in his position shouts BUY BUY BUY, to me its not constructive and its more pyramidschemeesque. Some people will get me wrong, and that's fine. I like when important people give good reasons for bitcoins future utility, or cryptocurrency in general.
The funny thing is I didn't even read the article, or letter, or whatever it is this guy wrote about bitcoin until just now, even though I heard about it earlier today and glanced at it and came up with some preconcieved conclusions about it. But now that I just actually read it, I don't change any of my conclusions. Read the whole article - it does not give any good reasons to invest in bitcoin or anything. It talks about how great this CEO guy is and how he believes it bitcoin and how he is such an innovative person, just awesomeness, exactly why I need to put my money into bitcoin immediately. The whole article appeals to his character or whatever and that's why we should believe in him.
Honestly I think its great that this guy wants to risk a lot of money buying bitcoin; there is a good chance he and others will make a lot of money off of bitcoin in the future. I just don't think we need any more bullshit from this guy who really has nothing to add to the community; he seems desperate to use bitcoin just because it might save his company or something.
199  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: March 11, 2014, 12:18:43 PM
10k bfx wall is back

They obviously do not want to sell and I am betting they are using a pretty high amount of margin to execute it. The fact that weak hands are actually selling because of it is sad. 
I would disagree that they don't want to sell. They have put the wall up several times over a few days; at this point anyone that wants to buy a lot of bitcoin would have seen that wall pop up and can expect it to pop up again a few times a day, and they will be able to buy a lot instantly without any slippage. This guy is just advertising his wall, waiting for someone to buy. Putting that wall up so often would be idiotic if they don't want to sell because if the price is undervalued, someone is going to buy a few thousand instantly and that wall guy will lose a ton of money.

I just do not believe any major walls that are placed on BFX compare to BSP. With margin and being able to short on BFX most of the time any walls that are placed on BFX will be pulled once it simply gets near the price. I do not even think BFX has that many coins sitting on their BSP account to sell that many coins. If he was willing to sell that many coins, it would completely wipe out BFX's order book like every time there has been a spike. There is a reason why that wall has been holding for so long on BFX compared to if it was placed on BSP. There really aren't any major players on BFX like BSP wanting to even remotely buy that many coins.   
BFX has grown significantly and I think its comparable in size to btc-e, not counting litecoin or other alts. BFX doesn't need coins on their BSP account; they have more than enough on their own books. You really think someone is shorting 10k btc on max leverage on bfx when someone could easily buy a large chunk if not all at once, especially now since they have had a lot of time to get their money ready and think about that decision? They could lose a few million very fast if someone does decide to buy into that wall, given that they are shorting. We can speculate about whether or not there are major players on bfx and its hard to tell, but I think there are now just because it is the best way to short bitcoin, which has attracted many traders. No one would risk so much money by shorting 10k btc on the assumption that no one can or will buy into their wall. The reward of possibly buying at most few hundred slightly cheap coins is nothing compared to that risk. And the fact that this person is advertising the wall, putting it for a few hours every day, suggests that they are trying to sell the coins.
200  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: March 11, 2014, 11:17:09 AM
10k bfx wall is back

They obviously do not want to sell and I am betting they are using a pretty high amount of margin to execute it. The fact that weak hands are actually selling because of it is sad. 
I would disagree that they don't want to sell. They have put the wall up several times over a few days; at this point anyone that wants to buy a lot of bitcoin would have seen that wall pop up and can expect it to pop up again a few times a day, and they will be able to buy a lot instantly without any slippage. This guy is just advertising his wall, waiting for someone to buy. Putting that wall up so often would be idiotic if they don't want to sell because if the price is undervalued, someone is going to buy a few thousand instantly and that wall guy will lose a ton of money.
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