We have regained a bit of the map functionality, it is live (still a bug or 2) but can be seen:

https://cryptokingdom.me/land/chapelry/1:SE

For the purists out there please know that the slippage in space/time is purely temporary and will be shuffled again shortly

II don't think fork is necessary. However purchasing property is broken, has been for a long time... hard to defend. I dont see how any developments efforts would do anything but benefit from PJ and Speed being involved. However we have motivated people, motivated devs, people who are ready to go. Honestly... purchasing property is broken and has been shamefully long. The village overview is black. Development is so slow as to be negligible. Apparently code structure is of sound quality at its core so insult intended on that.. If PJ + Speed would be open continuing at their regular place while hard work gets cranked out by others, i dont see the need for two sites, two forks. I'm 100% speculating, but honestly, some of the previous devs might be relieved to be released from responsibilities of this project. And considering you cant even buy property we have a defunct product which is essentially unusable. BLack map... These bugs are identified already in the source, and dev is hungry to get to work. Whether its under CK or fork of CK, i dont see waiting around for a non-black map and purchasing of property to lose the syntax error   .... which has gone unnoticed for really way too long .... to be a serious endeavor worthy of the time and talents of the people floating around here.

The least unfair (best we'll all be able to agree to) way to approach this it seems to me would be to essentially integrate the 'death' of the king into the game itself, meaning at face value his assets would belong to the game itself, and would be 'off-limits'. For them to be used to pay off debts (which is fair in my opinion) the process would be to submit a git issue, which would be turned over to a community vote which could be conducted in-game. It would be impossible to have the system be 100% fair, but something along the lines of an account owning between 1 and infinite units of real estate has a vote weighted with a minimum weight of 5, with an additional weight of X added for every (whatever the community decides) units of real estate .., if you have no real estate but your in game assets have X property your vote has a weight of 2' or whatever is the fairest approach that pisses off the least number of people. I'm sure someone in the community knows game theory better than myself. What I'm considering is putting up the site at first, having a dev available for implementing stuff like this (rapidly and responsively) until the project would move along without the training wheels. After nailing down fair voting everything would be up for vote, including who gets dev access to git, where to host server, whether to allow people to create objects at will or assign a cost so that it doesn't get spammed, moving everything to exist within a smart contract block-chain based setup, whatever... We'd have a dev from the start who could implement changes like that overnight, happily, and code would be of good quality. Well, smart contract set-up wouldn't happen overnight. But if this flops it flops, I'm not horrified by that idea. I'd like to let this linger for a bit so as to be able to gauge opposition and see if and to and to what degree there is strong disagreement, which will indicate whether I should try to get things moving or leave it be.

I have a dev interested in moving the project forward. We played with a million different ideas of how to approach moving forward, and the least complicated solution able to produce results essentially seems to be to 'just do it'. The code is not complicated, setting up the site to use current code and unmodified SQL database (non-reboot) is simple enough I could do it, however he has the time to actually continue to develop the project. He's talented and happy to work for donations. Concerning debts/in-game tokens, we figured best and easiest solution would be to allow private parties to cover the territory of currency conversions. Let people exchange whatever currency they would like for the in game currency. We were thinking to just move forward with it, and respond to community feedback. If a respected member of the community like saddam or generalizethis is requested to have git access and the community thinks that is best, then that happens. If community wants to integrate to on an chain token, add that to the todo list. He doesn't want anyone to have to trust him, isn't particularly comfortable with that really and we shouldn't be either. I know this person IRL and have worked with them on many projects. They are very capable of handling frontends to SQL databases with their eyes closed, and further capable of acheiving the decentralized game some of us seem to be envisioning. I don't want to be stepping on anyone's toes so it would be helpful if anyone 'in the know' could speak specifically as to what, if anything, is going on as far as PJ/Speed/Anyone's development efforts.  I dont understand how so little gets accomplished.... its a freaking frontend to an SQL database..  For me personally I enjoy the game a lot, but if I hadn't built my home in old town back in the day, I'm a bit busier at this point in my life and may not be terribly interested in a reboot from scratch. But, his interest in the project is not contingent on that or my opinion, and though we respect eachothers opinion I would not be "in charge". The idea is to have nobody be in charge. But somebody has to make a move. So if there is any reason to NOT fork the database, throw up a site, have him start interacting with the community to see what they want, please let me know. If everyone thinks it s dog-shit and wants to stay away, no harm done. The idea is that if the community wants, he'll happily use his own creativity if necessary, but main focus is to get the project moving, implement what the community wants, be funded by donations, move towards trustless and modular set-up... and not piss off anyone in the process. He doesn't want to have things devolve into a "I'll pay you to add this!" situation, as that would give donators control in relation to their wealth, but to have the generosity of the community fund his efforts to implement what the community wants.

We'd talked and have been considering this for about a week. I respect AmericanPegasus , this was all thought before they had expressed interest. As far as I can tell, their on chain asset of trading cards will exist with or without CK, and it could absolutely be traded within Agora, just as ALMOST anything else could. I think marketplace activity should be restricated to digital assets so as to avoid potential confusion of being mistaken for certain... other.... marktplaces associated with privacy centric cryptos. The idea is to keep things simple as possible, no crazy algos or massive changes at fork... and that he would be available to work for the community to move the project in whatever direction the community wants it to go.

I don't think those are bad ideas and want to consider it more. I think working out priorities is super important. In my opinion priority number 1 should be attracting new players and getting the current ones playing again. Tied for number 1 is getting $$$ to the pissed off people who want to strangle kings to death and throw them into an abyss. I think we need to be careful having the game set up in a way that new people checking it out might have an impression that Old Money runs shit, and everyone else is a peasant with no chance. As far as I can tell the only way anyone is going to get a penny back is to have a game that people who have nothing to do with the project right now will enjoy. I think its more important for the game to be fun to new people than for existing players for that reason though I do not think the two are mutually exclusive. But people might be turned off if there are closed off clubs that can vote and control everything, and they could never be apart of it without spending $millions on shares. Concerning the abandoned accounts and assets of HM, it's difficult to decide when an account is abandoned, I definitely went 6 months without signing in. Sell HM assets to pay debts I suppose but don't really know the details too well. But in my opinion basically the whole center of the universe HM aspect really took away from the enjoyment of the game, having been just a peasant myself, and rather than spread around HM's power to a group, it would be a more enjoyable experience to new players to just remove power completely. if there were literally no power in the game. Just economy, investing, quests, realestate, maybe war stuff but I don't see violence being as big of a draw for this game given the target audience as much Ultima-looking digital world investing. Really the best and only viable target audience is the new blood that is flooding into the crypto currency scene. They are interested in trading, investing type stuff. They feel a bit of awe and fascination but also very strong loathing when it comes to whales, and like the idea of no one being in control.

Shit. Duh. Basically use a similar trick for the value of oldM as the second half of the newM equation. Wthin a range large enough to be painful but not so large as to be obscene, say 30%, hard code an inverse relationship between the total amount of oldM that has not been withdrawn yet and how much xmr you receive for your oldM. You would receive less xmr for your oldM the sooner you withdrew. There are plenty abandoned accounts I'm sure and some large holders locked out so the full range of variance would never be realized. But people might slow their roll a bit when it comes to getting in line to withdraw if they knew if they waited longer they could get their full amount rather than a 5% haircut. It might be possible actually let people withdraw MORE xmr than they put in if the waited long enough... if the game is getting used and generating the inverse-crackhead-fractional-nonsense-stash. Might border on ponzi scheme though. Have to play with the numbers.

I have some thoughts, some of them are contradictory. But the good news is the game is fun and the site is just a front end to an sql database, so solutions are not impossible.

I think moving forward the role of trust is going to be a very sensitive issue. Even if everyone agreed on some particular person as being trustworthy to fit a role and that person was willing, the game and players have been burnt badly by trust and newcomers will either be aware of this and satisfied with the solution or will simply stay away.

Even something as simple as maintaining a git of a text file to-do list of things needed to get CK on track would require trusting someone with merge authority. Even that text file would be massively helpful though. I don't think its fair to directly ask specific well-known players with excellent reputations if they would be willing fit a role like that, but if willing ones did exist that would be massively helpful to know.

It seems like Risto had an arrangement with the fellow who coded the site that includes expectations extending into the future. As I see it, that money arrangement is irrelevant to the future of the project at this point. I'm wondering, and someone might already know the answer, would he be willing to hand access of the current github over to someone else and then be completely free of any expectations to be invlolved with CK , atleast by any of us.

I keep hammering on git, but this project needs a lot of work right now and it is a miraculous workflow management system with the ability to achieve a reduced trust scenario. Git would even be helpful to flesh out ideas enough to conclude CK is impossible fix if that were the case, but I don't think it is.

I think perhaps moving to something like being hosted within etherium or similar projects is potentially a good path forward. Simple is likely best so even though there is likely a hacky way to have masternode type bullshit providing both the front end of the database as well as the database itself being pointed to by a DNS server, that is definitely not as simple as moving to an etherium like platform.

It would be preferable by everyone I am guessing to not have to resort to a restart. I've been playing around with ways to have 'M' (or is it 'm'?) calculated in a way that would make people's debts whole. Part of me thinks it would benefit the project to remove its association with lovely, lovely monero. That was a brilliant plan on risto's part, if it had worked out it would have brought lots of interest to xmr but xmr is doing great without it and I'm not sure but perhaps it would polarize people about getting involved with the game. It would be lovely to take advantage of FFS but I don't think that's fair to ask honestly. Some of my ideas on how to calculate a new M look like:

where
    C = (Value of outstanding debts using spot prices)
    oQ = total quantity of oldM
    nQ = current total quantity of newM (should this be fixed or allowed to to fluctuate? both ways have interesting effects)
    S = spot price of XMR
    newM = price of 1 unit of ... well... newM

newM = ((C + (oQ * S)) / nQ) + (S / (1 + (S * .01)))

This would have some strange effects. In theory, as I understand it at least, it creates something like the opposite of a fractional reserve, which would be used to pay down C and (oQ * S). Basically it would be impossible to buy oldM, and your house valued in newM would be worth significantly less in terms of USD, but you would over time if things worked well be able to withdraw your oldM from the stash generated by reverse fractional reserve effect (hopefully managed by smart contracts or multi-sig rather than humans). Anyway this would pay down (oQ * S) as well. So what we would be left with (assuming anyone is playing the game) would after time be

newM = (0 + (total value of unconverted oldM) / nQ) + (S / (1 + (S * .01)))
or
newM = ((total value of unconverted oldM) / nQ) + (S / (1 + (S * .01)))

The idea of (S / (1 + (S * .01))) is that even though it is tied to monero's price, it is much less affected by xmr's volatility, and the interested but less financially well-off folks could play and the price would be (a lot) more stable. And if the game took off there would be an increased demand for newM for which people rush the gates to pay a premium for, which makes that poor fellow rich but not as vulnerable to price drops in xmr (heaven forbid).

It's not fully fleshed out but I'm playing with it.

I am definitely not in the same league as the best mathematicians in this room so please excuse me, but as I see it, this would create the opposite of a fractional reserve which could be used to make everyone whole, while also reducing effects from volatility of xmr pricing.

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So the current form of Crypto Kingdom as far as I can gather is that in order to login, you eat lethal amounts of peyote and become god of all universes including but not limited to reality, the dimensions of the end times, and somewhere in between where you lose all your money and realize you have been alone staring at your wall for 10 hours all the while under the impression you are The Last Airbender? Sorry to make *light* of things, I know people got screwed. I honestly can't tell what is going on.

* Still proud of my crib in Oldetown

Since everything this coin has to offer relies on masternodes, which require a hefty amount of coin ownership to operate, nothing could more critical when considering the security of this network than coin ownership distribution. Especially if certain entities own 1M+. Literally violates the satoshi dream in every way possible.

What you and this community have accepted as the story / intentions of the coin creator at genesis is a sugary sweet and very different than I and obviously many others interpret as the truth. Quoted below is my comment, which presents events (which are not disputed by people inside or outside this community) but spoken in a manner that indicates an intent that I and most others believe to be more in-line with the truth.


It serves as a 'tool' to push people to consider how much phrasing and hivemind-preassure has shaped their interpretation of events.

Though I believe my financial success should not be relative to a discussion on the honesty/dishonesty that has been at the core of this project since the beginning... The capital gains tax alone on having liquidated 7% of my total XMR this year is greater than what the current value of my 5 masternodes would be worth at todays value, including 3 years of masternode payouts. As someone who was at a time quite passionate about this project, my only ongoing interest in interacting with the community around it is to give people tools to realize the same things it took me so long to learn of / accept.

Was called x-coin but don't sweat it, name changes are iterated regularly on a protocol level. Could easily confuse you

oh Jeez I'm really sorry dontyaknow I have no idea how on earth the block reward possibly got set to dump out coins at super-duper "Heavy Flow Day" velocity, its a simple adjustment and easily caught in testnet I just have no idea how it slipped past me. Yuins might as well quit mining now bc I'll deliver a fixed update here shortly and we'll start over from genesis. Oh hey I didn't get around  to starting a whole new chain it didn't seem like a priority. But yeah this great new update corrects the block rewards from spitting coins out into the middle of the street so its safe to go ahead and start mining again now. Youins don't like airdrops? Ogeez I guess I'll just have to put this behind us and only smirk about it when no one is looking.

Anyone know what happened to user 'fernando'? He was the last speck of honesty left in this project and imho was an honest genuine guy. I reached out to him when i started smelling what was going around, he was upset but was going to stick around to fight the good fight. All my messages with him are now gone and it appears his username is also nowhere to be found? Is GhostPlayer still on board? He was the last user out of the old-school drk cult that I tried to save, just wondering if he ever got de-programmed.

I tend to find Risto's targets shaded just a bit pessimistic, but my ears always perk up when I see his name because he has snapped  me out of a daze more than once. I want to catch what Risto is thinking, but definitely don't throw your wad off a cliff based on any one person's guess. If you do it's your own fault unfortunately.

still here ...   .. . 

Would have to be guv, they'd assign two half-autistic-genuis new kids that would map it out in 5 days and be bored the whole time.

If you stress the world 'publicly' then yeah, your neighbor cant see you bought porn with dash. I figure most people interested in anonymous currency would want a higher degree of privacy. And just because your nieghbor cant see what you did with dash, paralell case construction and information leaks happen.

Yes yes and yes. When considering this, concentration of money supply matters a WHOLE lot. Which is why bytecoin is a nogo and makes drk launch a little more painful.

*BUT, that other currency doesn't have the early adopters attaching ID to server company connection, which i see as the big one.


You make up jibber jabber and pass it off as fact...

"Anonymous is the adjective form of anonymity, the state of an individual's personal identity, or personally identifiable information, being publicly unknown."

source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anonymous

Then you go on to jabber about your ideas about currency, none of the rules or principles you state does that other currency, whose name I have not mentioned, violate in any way.


Verification of transaction is easily possible witht this other currency you keep comparing yourself to. Just dont enter the wrong address dummy.


It's called fungibility. And your ideal currency requires it as law. And your transparent part of block chain that you hold so dear violates this principle, and makes switching to the non-transparent part of the blockchain an offense, accounts frozen, etc, happening now with btc. Fucking look up "fungible". Your "ideal" currency is not fact, is confusing, and seems to just suit your needs rather than make any sense. If you want to talk about crypto in terms of legitimate currency, then use largely accepted conecepts to back your arguments, not just your day dream bs, which you seem to be the only one talking about, and on top of that passing it off as fact.

Well, being a lowly crypto nerd without the resources to either backdoor or subpoena the top three server providers for masternodes, unfortunately you are correct. However, the word "anonymous" does not come with the stipulation that you must be a lowly crypto nerd without those resources, it means untraceable. Considering the fact that the majority of masternodes are being run with unmixed coins, sending subpoenas to just a few server providers and perhaps backdooring a few other ones would paint a rather clear picture of a large number of individuals who are involved in this project (i.e. the ones who are mixing). Get your hands on that info, create db of all transactions related to those address.. and you start to have quite a bit of the people "mixing" exposed, which in some cases would completely expose your "mixing attempt" and in other cases just eliminate possiblities, identify new parties, narrowing down possiblities. Let a guv bot run through all that info and the word "anonymous" is not much of a proper fit.

* Throw in subpoenas to 3 or 4 US internet providers (bc you all set up your MNs all over the globe but almost all of you live in the US) as well as timing attacks.... that's all without owning any any coins. Throw in 17 nodes trying to mix and acting as sybil....

Masternodes were live and being paid before mixing was particularly functional on any level. From when there were 40mns to about 1000mns mixing was pretty much unusable, and almost everyone used Amazon AWS, for which you must provide your identity.