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61  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: [PULL] private key and wallet export/import on: August 25, 2011, 06:42:24 AM
This is a bit ridiculous...

The idea is obviously useful enough that dozens of people are shown their support, and only a single few expressed their discontempt with reasons like "it's not safe for stupid users".

Right, I agree that it's not safe for stupid users, and I agree that sometimes you have to protect them. But creating this artificial entry barrier just to deter developers who are not familiar with compiling and patching C code is just plain evil, and bordering stupidity.

It's obviously a needed and wanted feature, you don't want people having this feature turned on by mistake, right? how about:

Code:
$ bitcoind -server -rpcuser=... -rpcpassword=... [b]-advanced[/b]

With this small flag, -advanced, users will be able to actively activate the feature, and only those who think that they know what they're doing will be able to harm themselves.

Now please, for the love of peace, pull this patch to the main client, and make it official. I'll write the documentation if needed.
62  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Testnet coins on: August 25, 2011, 03:14:16 AM
1HeE61ce27RTUandVqSAgQKP1i7Q3qZELY

That's not a `testnet` address.
Testnet addresses start with m, and Bitcoin addresses start with 1.
63  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Testnet coins on: August 25, 2011, 03:13:03 AM
Go grab 50 at a time.
https://testnet.freebitcoins.appspot.com/
64  Bitcoin / Project Development / Re: Safebit Bitcoin Wallet - Bitcoin Evolved [UPDATE!!!] on: August 23, 2011, 01:18:39 PM

It's the changelog of the Python Web.py package. Not really relevant to the project, it's being used to serve the files on a local computer.
65  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: UPDATE: My Bitcoin Commercial on: August 20, 2011, 11:46:38 PM
I have lost contact with the main producer of the commercial. I ask him to please step forward if he sees this message. Last I checked, he had not begun full production on it just yet so if there is no claim within the following day, I will be reinstating refunds of all that have donated. Send a PM my way if you are a donor (I will verify).

Thank you!

Could you tell us what happened?
66  Bitcoin / Project Development / Re: mtgox ticker history - how do I get it :)? on: August 20, 2011, 11:43:27 PM
hey, is there a public mtgox ticker data for a few months of maximum resolution I could download?
thanks.

2 answers :

* http://bitcoincharts.com/about/markets-api/
 then ctrl +f Historic Trade Data

and

* to get all trades from the very beginning one would just call https://mtgox.com/code/data/getTrades.php?since=0
 since it returns only 100 trades, and you can call the method again by passing the latest trade you have imported in since.



It doesn't work well.

Either I'm unable to understand how this works, or this simply isn't showing any useful data.

67  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: The mysterious bitcoin flower opens once a day and reveals a free bitcoin on: August 16, 2011, 07:27:32 AM

A free bitcoin every day, thanks to the mysterious bitcoin flower!

Check out the bitcoin flower at http://www.bitcoinflower.com/. It opens once a day for 15 minutes and reveals a shiny bitcoin. Nobody knows when it opens (it's random) but if you're the first to see it you get a whole shiny bitcoin.

I just created this site and welcome your comments and suggestions.
Also, if you win a bitcoin I would be happy to read your comment here.

Have fun!





I just wanted to say that I like your idea every much and like the way #25 is going with it. It could really be something useful to all parties involved if you can overcome the bot problem without making it an annoying thing to do.

Godspeed.
68  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / False Alarm on: August 16, 2011, 06:31:19 AM
I've tried to use www.btcnow.net and received conflicting emails from Google Checkout. It now looks that my order was fully refunded and my suspicion was false.

Original post available upon request in private.
69  Bitcoin / Project Development / Re: BTC Savings Bank LTD project on: August 15, 2011, 01:52:07 AM
Do you have a working website?

How's the security of your funds? are the funds kept in Bitcoin or in USD?

Where are the funds being kept if it's bitcoin? what bank are you using if it's a fiat currency?

I guess I need to get the information kit.
70  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: A call to create a new kind of exchange on: August 12, 2011, 01:37:11 PM
You're describing Nanaimo Gold. To stay profitable, they charge a massive spread. They're currently selling Bitcoin for $11.85, but buying it for only $6. Your exchange service would have to do the same thing.


No, not exactly.
What I'm describing is something that will be fully transparent to get my trust and to win my coins (even as a loan...). Also I'm requiring some trusted 3rd party (large international law firm, for example) that would vouch for the company and the people behind the company.
Nothing like nanimogold.com.
71  Economy / Marketplace / Looking for Banners and Textual links on Bitcoin related websites on: August 12, 2011, 01:26:36 PM
I'm currently trying to get an idea what's the prices of Bitcoin related websites/services that can put banners and/or textual links.

I need to get an idea of how much traffic there is on a site considering it's the most prominent location available (not footer "link exchange" or some other type of "link exchange").

I realize that not every Bitcoin site/service these days has a lot of traffic, but those are still interesting to me, as well as high-volume traffic sites.

I'm not a marketing/media buyer, so I'm not really familiar with all the terms except the most basic of them (PPC, PPM, etc').

Private messages are obviously welcome as not everyone want their information to be out there for everyone to see. If you decide to PM me, I promise that I won't disclose the information directly (i.e. saying this and that offered me this). At this point I really need to understand what are the general costs and what would a bitcoin related campaign would cost.

I'm able to pay in USD and BTC.
72  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin Cash machine? on: August 11, 2011, 07:27:21 PM
It's been discussed before, and I think someone is working on one. Search for "Bitcoin ATM".

Searching that only brings up this post.
73  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / A call to create a new kind of exchange on: August 11, 2011, 06:47:37 PM
Without going into too much details discussed in other thread, there is a very serious problem with Bitcoins these days and that's the simple fact that it's hard as hell to get a hold of Bitcoins initially.

You can read a discussion I'm having on Reddit in this matter, and I've came to a realization that Bitcoin needs a new type of an exchange, and the current ones are hampering the progress of Bitcoin not because they exist, but rather because they are practically the only gateway to Bitcoin.

The largest exchanges that exists today are operated as Stock Exchange, while we all know that real-life exchanges are either small privately owned brick and mortar shops that you can come in and buy/sell currencies, or banks that people trade currency with the bank and not with other traders.

What I'm proposing is an exchange that will have it's own supply of money, and instead of trading against/with other traders, users will buy coins/dollars directly from the exchange (as long it has the currency in stock). Very much like the brick and mortar exchanges we all have down the street (well, some of us have them down the street, depending where you live).

In order for this exchange to operate, it will need to rely on the exchange rate to provide it with the actual exchange rates that Bitcoin is being traded on those stock markets.

One other thing that is important to understand is that these exchanges are not ment to be used by day traders, but instead to provide an entry for regular users who only want to acquire Bitcoins to use them or to sell Bitcoins that they have in order to get fiat money to pay bills and rent. It could be used by day traders, but in my opinion the exchange would have to protect itself by increasing the cut it takes from users (day traders) in order to stay profitable and avoid an exchange being used as a stock market.



Creating such an exchange (not a stock market) requires the exchange owner having a lot of currency being held in stock for people to buy and sell the currencies he buys and sells.

This looks like a problem because not money people are interested in dropping the necessary funds for such an exchange.

If we consider that there are approximately 7 million coins in existence (neglecting the fact that there are a lot of "lost coins"), and at the current exchange rate that means around $70,000,000 worth of coins out there.

The average amount of coins that a regular user needs is around $100 - $5,000 worth of coins (my own assumption and numbers, they don't mean anything, and are just used for the sake of this explanation), that means that there are at most 14,000 people with $5,000 worth of bitcoins, and at most 70,000 people with $100 worth of bitcoins. In any case this is a worth while business as long as bitcoin does not completely collapses it's has a lot of money in it, and it's clearly needed and used by people around the world.

There are around $500,000 - $1,500,000 bitcoins traded daily on all the stock markets (MtGox, TradeHill, etc'), most of these exchanges are probably day traders who try to profit from the high volatility of Bitcoin.

Let's assume that the day traders are responsible for 60% of all the traffic in the stock markets, and let's assume that the average volume traded is $1,000,000 - a nice round number.

So from those assumptions we conclude that there are $400,000 worth of coins exchanging hands every day by people who are not day traders, and are actually helping the bitcoin economy because they buy stuff and services and sell them.

So if we want to create a true exchange service (not another stock market) we need a lot of money, at least $400,000 to start with in Bitcoins and USD. This is just to buy Bitcoin to keep them for customers when they are interested in buying Bitcoins, and having some USD in order to buy bitcoins from customers who want USD.

On top of that, a good exchange would provide easy ways of getting money to them. Eventually these exchange are for-profit, and the more traffic they have within them the better it's for them, and the more profitable they are. So providing good, easy, and fast methods of converting Bitcoin to USD (and other currencies in the future) will need at least $30,000 - $50,000 (wages, salaries, bank/visa fees, etc') to operate.

$50,000 monthly is not sounding so bad when considering a market that grows at a rate of 577% on average every month for Bitcoin exchanges.

Let's assume that a good, easy, fast Bitcoin exchange will have a daily traffic of $400,000, so monthly it means $12 million. In order for the exchange to be profitable, or at least maintaining a break even stability, it needs $50,000 monthly, that means 0.41666% is needed to be taken by the exchange in order to cover its expenses. Obviously not including rise and fall in bitcoin-to-usd value which can sometimes dramatically change the bottom lines.

So in order to provide a worth while exchange for people to have as a good, fast, reliable gate into and out of bitcoins, we need $400,000 in cash, and initially $200,000 to support 4 months of operation assuming loss, and assuming that by the 4th month the exchange can at least break even.

For this we also need to add the cost of setting up such an operation, that would require to open bank account in at least 4-5 desirable locations (USA, UK, Central Europe, Middle East, far east is not included in this list as I'm not familiar with them or their methods of operations as of now), this would cost an additional $20,000 - $50,000 before the exchange start operations.

All in all, we need around $650,000 in initial investment to create such an exchange. Or 70,000 Bitcoins.



I have a hard time imagining anyone dropping more almost a million dollars in advance in to Bitcoin today, but an investment of $250,000 is something that some investors would take seriously if proposed with the right business idea and plan.

So, we can assume to find an entrepreneur that would be willing to devote his time to such a project, and we can assume to find an investor that will be willing to invest the initial funding needed ($250,000) when there is a sound business plan and the right people behind it.

Where to get the missing $400,000? The users.

As explained earlier, such an exchange would need to have $400,000 in Bitcoins and USD to operate on a daily basis without "currency out of stock" error messages. So that means the exchange will need around $200,000 in USD and $200,000 in Bitcoins, or 10,000 bitcoins.

If such an exchange would rise today, to could take 2-4% from every exchange made on it, creating a profit margin of ~1.5-3.5%. This high % is high indeed, but considering that it suppose to be a business, and considering that it's the only one, it needs that kind of profit margins to be profitable and to exist. I'm paying a lot more when I'm getting a bank check or a wire transfer any way, and PayPal and services like it take those kind of percentages anyway.
An unlike PayPal, once you got Bitcoins, you are no longer paying transaction fees like you have to with fiat currency and services like PayPal and Dwolla, so this fees should not scare anyone or seem outrageous. And when Bitcoin evolves and becomes the next best things as we all hope and dream, than exchanges like that will be a regular business type in the Bitcoin landscape, so you can expect fees to get lower and lower to levels of below 0.41666% as the game progresses.



The users I mentioned earlier - The only way to get the funding the initial funding needed for such an exchange is from us, the early adopters of Bitcoin, people who already have coins lying around in our offline wallets or sitting on a stock exchange like MtGox.

The fact that you have coins in MtGox or your offline wallet means only one thing - it's locked away from the rest of the users, and no one, including yourself is not profiting from the existence of the coins.

In the world we so oftentimes criticize we have banks that pay us interest for any excess money we have. This works pretty good (except that we have a centralized bank...) for all the parties involved - The bank gets to have your money and make even more money by lending or buying stocks with it, and you get to have interest on any excess money (or other types of property/tangibles) that we may have.

So in order for the exchange to operate, and for us the users to have interest in helping it operate, the exchange needs to promise us that it will include us, the bitcoin holders, in the profits it makes. Bitcoins that will be deposited into such an exchange will have interest rate to them, and your money will start working for you, with the help of the exchange.



It may sound like a bank, and it may sound like we are going to trust some unknown entity to safegaurd our cash, and it sounds correct, but it's necessary for Bitcoin to become a widespread tool used by many people around the world, and in general advancing the bitcoin economy. And in any case that's what happens in our real life today, so at least we could opt to move to Bitcoins like Rick Falkvinge did a while ago.

What is really needed for this to become a reality is a few of us that have in total enough bitcoins to create the initial liquidity that such an exchange needs, and we need a trustworthy entity that is willing to take all the necessary regulatory steps to be liable for the cash that people invest in it.

Such an exchange needs to be entirely transparent, all of the code used to manage the exchange and all of the banking information needs to be reviewable by attorneys and people who just want to take a peek into the books.

I would be willing to put $1,000 worth of bitcoins on a very risky business like that that has the potential to get me a high return on investment even if bitcoin remains in $10 or even goes down to $1, I won't really care, because my money will generate interest just because it exists, and not because some speculations are moving the exchange rate up or down.

I'm not a financialist or an attorney, I don't fully understand what is needed to create such an entity, but I do understand that if it's done right, it's something that I will fully support with my hard earned cash in order to push Bitcoin to where it needs to be, even if that investment can very risky.

I'm pledging 16.8295 Bitcoins as an investment (loan for the initial liquidity) for any business that comes along and can stand to the rigorous expectation that I have and will be written if this gets the support it needs from the community.

Let me know if this makes any sense...
74  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ixcoin - a new Bitcoin fork on: August 11, 2011, 01:28:49 AM
I point 1.4 GH at it earlier today for 30 minutes and generated 2000 IXC.

I think it' a waste of time personally. I'm still waiting for the reason why this is a good idea.
I don't see the valued added by this fork and believe me I'm trying....

Will you sell those 2000 IXC? If so, for how many DeVCoin? Or, how many GRouPcoin?

Or, if you can come up with a worthwhile quantity of them, I might even consider buying with BiTCoin. Though I dunno, the fees are scary high with Bitcoin because it is such a vastly valuable precious high powered currency more suitable for international balances of payments than having fun. Do you have any +3 or better magic swords? If so, in which server of which game? I might be interested in those too if they are P2P (I can take them to some other server of some other game)...

-MarkM-


I like your style.
75  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin Comic: Bank Scam, 2 versions of the same story on: August 11, 2011, 01:14:53 AM
Any resemblance to real persons or events is purely coincidental.

Props. I feel the same.
76  Economy / Marketplace / Re: Safebit is looking for investments... on: August 10, 2011, 04:37:02 PM
I think it would have to be hard coded into Safebit.

I soo want this sort of interface to be in it. I would definitely use it.

Not mentioned here, but this is also a reply to your recommendations/wish list.

Safebit is designed to be extendable, meaning that people will be able to create add-ons to the application without me (or whoever eventually running Safebit) needing to be involved.

Like TTBit suggested, it will be something like browser addons. And technically it would be done in the same way, using Javascript and HTML5 (the most popular languages used by developers to date).

I'm happy to hear that you guys are waiting for these kind of features, and these features are planned to be implemented inside Safebit when it launches.
77  Bitcoin / Project Development / Re: Safebit Bitcoin Wallet - Bitcoin Evolved [UPDATE!!!] on: August 10, 2011, 01:22:29 PM

I'll say it again: You can modify it anyway you like, the only thing you can't do is post the code or your modified code under a different name or distribute it any other way than the main distribution channel for the project.

Uhmm, but that means we can't fork your project on github and how is we then going to send you pull requests?

Join the dev team. Developers interested in contributing to the project will get pushing rights to the original repository.

If you are interested send me your github username and I'll add you to the project.
78  Economy / Marketplace / Re: Safebit is looking for investments... on: August 08, 2011, 02:06:33 PM
Always supported you with this...until I saw that you are going to charge :\ I still support you but I would seriously think about the charging part...I could just put all my funds on a wallet that isn't connected to the internet at all and never on an OS easily to secure my stuff.

Charging will be only for additional services that are not necessary for regular day-to-day use by regular users.

Additionally, most of the services will have a free version that will be enough for regular users, it's called freemium business model, think Dropbox that provides 2gb for free, and if you need more than that you need to start paying.

Again: Safebit is and always will be free and open-source. Users will not be required to pay for anything just to use the software (sending/receiving and securing their coins). Ever.

Safebit is FREE.
79  Bitcoin / Project Development / Re: Safebit Bitcoin Wallet - Bitcoin Evolved [UPDATE!!!] on: August 08, 2011, 12:06:07 PM
It's not really open source in the normal sense of open source software unless you allow modification and re-distribution. The additional services can still be provided if people were to modify the software, right? And if people wanted to sue your additional services they'd use your version. I see no reason why you can't make this modifiable.

From Wikipedia.org:
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The term open source describes practices in production and development that promote access to the end product's source materials.

It saddens me to see that people demand more when already given a lot.
Safebit is open-source so that people could validate that the code that powers the client is not harming them in any way. The reason that at this moment the license does not allow redistribution of the code is because I'm devoting a 6-8 hours a day on top of my regular day job in this project, and I don't have the resources or the manpower to launch this project properly before it is ready.
If the license would allow redistribution than someone else could use the code and invest the funds and resources that I cannot at the moment, and simply build a product out of something that I have started and trying to make a living off.

Open Source means only one thing - that the source is open for review and to play around, it doesn't mean that I should or must allow anyone to do what ever they want with it.

The other major reason why I don't think this project should have distribution rights to anyone but the main developers is the issue of fragmentation of software. I'm strongly against the notion of design-by-committee which in my eyes hurts the project in both the short and long terms.

The Safebit project is and will always remain open-source and free to use, if you really want to contribute to the project, and what you want is to make this project work, you can right now, without redistributing it. The only problem that people tell me about the license is that they can't create a new project using this code, and this is exactly what the license prevents.


I see no reason why you can't make this modifiable.

I'll say it again: You can modify it anyway you like, the only thing you can't do is post the code or your modified code under a different name or distribute it any other way than the main distribution channel for the project.
80  Economy / Marketplace / Re: Safebit is looking for investments... on: August 07, 2011, 03:25:56 PM
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and I would really like to have a full time Python developer, that would be around $50-$60k for 6 months as well.
In Latvia you can hire full time professional Python programmer with good English for about $800-$1000/month, for 6 month it would cost not more than $6k.

Do you have access to such developers?
If I can get 1-2 guys that will be accessible to start development, I could ask for a lot less in the initial investment.

If that's true, I'd be more than willing to hire them when the time comes.
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