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1  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][SUPERCOIN]First P2p Decentralized Trustless Anonymous Wallet New Thread on: August 21, 2014, 01:15:30 PM
This is the last part of the whitepaper. Sorry for the little delay as I was focusing on code testing in the last few days.

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The last section of the whitepaper is to show you a concrete examplein SuperCoin’s real network. This is a real test with SuperSend  p2p decentralized trustless system, in SuperCoin main network. All the txids and addresses are real, and you can find them in the SuperCoin’s blockchain explorer.

First, in order to use SuperSend you need to enable the Coin Control features. This can be done from menu Setting->Options the click on Display tab. Select “Display Coin Control Features” checkbox.
 

Now you will see in the “Send Coin” tab, the Coin Control features. You will see now the checkbox “SuperSend (anonymous send)” checkbox, at the bottom of the Coin Control.

You don’t have to use Coin Control to send coins. When you want to send coins using SuperSend, just select the checkbox. It is very simple: it is based on each send.

SuperSend will charge 1% service fee (with 0.5 SUPER minimum). This service fee is to be divided by the 2 service nodes (mixer and guarantor) equally. Also it prevents scams with many small amount transfers. The fee will be added automatically to the required sent amount from Sender’s balance.

Any clients can become service node, if they satisfy some minimum requirements. At this time the requirements are set to the following:
-   Having at least 2 addresses in the client (you can create new address in “receive addresses” tab, with “new address” button.
-   Having a spendable balance of 500 coins

If your client satisfies the above conditions, it will automatically announce itself as service node. If you don’t want your client to become a service node, the put the following line in the config file:
Code:
	anonymousservice = 0

Even you don’t want to become a service node yourself (note: service nodes will receive fee at each service), you can still use SuperSend provided you have 2 or more service nodes connected.

On the lower right corner of the QT client, there is a newly added indicator for availability of the SuperSend. The SuperSend is enabled when you have connections to at least 2 of the service nodes. At this time the “S” icon displays green color. Put your mouse on top of the green “S” circle you will see how many service nodes you connected to.
 

If the “S” icon displays red, it indicates that you don’t have enough connections to service nodes, so in consequence the SuperSend feature is not available (but you can still use regular send. The regular send is available all the time).
 

If the “S” indicator displays yellow, this means a SuperSend job is currently in processing. You will have to wait it finishes before making another SuperSend. Note that the yellow status can be generated because you send something using SuperSend, or it could be that someone else send coins and your node is selected as a service node (Mixer or Guarantor). In case you perform service to others, you don’t need to do anything. The system will automatically perform the tasks. But do not exit the client when the status is in yellow. The yellow indicator will last for maximum 60-80 seconds. So it is just a transition state.
 

You send coins by selecting SuperSend, and enter the destination.


You will then need to confirm it. Remember, you must have enough fund in the account to use SuperSend. Due to its escrow requirements of SuperSend, the Sender needs to have at least double of the send amount plus the service fee. For example, in order to send 100 coins, the Sender must have at least 2x100 + 1 (1% service fee) = 201 coins in his account. Otherwise he has to use the normal send. The escrow is required so that all parties must follow the rules to complete the transaction.


Some people may ask why Sender needs to put in an escrow, since he will provide the send amount and service fee to the escrow anyway. The answer to that question is in that without the additional escrow, there is no reason or obligation for the Sender to sign off the distribution transaction when everything is completed, in which case there will be no guarantee that Mixer will receive his sent amount plus the service fee.

Once the coins are sent using SuperSend, you can use “getlastanontxinfo” command on the console to check its status. The following 4 pictures showed the progression of this test send example, it goes through different stages of the processing, as show in the “Status of last/current transaction”.

This picture shows that all public key info collected (before creating multisig address).
 

The following picture shows that multisig 2-of-3 address is created by the system, and deposits to multisig address completed.
 

The following diagram shows that the deposits are verified and then distribution multisig transaction is created.


The last picture shows the trustless anonymous transaction is completed and all escrow refunded. This is a view from sender’s log.


From Mixer and Guarantor side, you see slightly different logs (customized to them).

In this example, 1.2345678 coins are sent using SuperSend. The Sender will see an amount of 2.96923578 coins sent to the escrow (which is a multisig address dynamically created), 2.96923578 = 1.23456789x2 + 0.5 (service fee). The multisig address is CTfgXTYHQ1Bq725qkYBFgvPRSyPXUMvwze, the transaction there can be seen at blockchain explorer:
http://chainz.cryptoid.info/super/address.dws?CTfgXTYHQ1Bq725qkYBFgvPRSyPXUMvwze.htm

Similarly, Mixer and Garantor will deposit to the escrow. Then each party will verify the deposits. Once confirmed, the multisig 2-of-3 distribution transaction will be created:
Code:
010000005134f553030cafb8d931619765b36ee7767165f0ce5dbd616faf92eb438f86286b00a4530c0100000000ffffffff00ea3421c2e665d732f6f19f2898c91a6eb42e0c23f74fd5bfe013fc58ab283c0100000000ffffffff0f2ae1d71455ff3ab175fa6d4cb3112eff6c404e8f86a3a31f453b7b3cbda1fd0100000000ffffffff0315cd5b07000000001976a9146674fb672742529a2b95e494e3dfd080b63fd8d288acc2b03410000000001976a914269771575d9dfdecb6a969e547cf10d68849c8b988acade3d808000000001976a914a744aee8f373a1d9517352a7853a61fa3f8f9f5288ac00000000

Mixer will send the coins to the destination after verifying all the deposits. He will then sign the above multisig distribution transaction. After he signed it, the transaction cannot be posted at the network as it has only one of the two required signature.
Code:
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

Now the Sender will verify that Mixer indeed send the amount to the destination. After he is satisfied with it, he will sign the multisig distribution transaction. Note that he has interests to sign it if everything is fine, as he has a fund in the escrow that he wants back. After he signs the 2-of-3 multisig transaction, now there are 2 signatures with it, and the status of the multisig transaction will become complete.

Code:
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

Anyone can post it to the network and make it official. So Sender will post it after he signs it. The multisig transaction will be executed and all parties get refund, and Mixer/Guarator will also get their service fee.

Now the anonymous p2p decentralized trustless transaction completes. The source of the transaction is not traceable as in/out transactions are done at two different addresses that are not linked.

The multisig escrow system ensures that no party can cheat in the transaction; they have to follow the rules to complete the transaction. This is a complete decentralized, peer-to-peer anonymous system. It demonstrates the power of multisig technologies.

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This completes the whitepaper, any questions/comments please post on the thread.



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2  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][SUPERCOIN]First P2p Decentralized Trustless Anonymous Wallet New Thread on: August 21, 2014, 09:12:53 AM
Perhaps I have a simple idea that doesn't require you to have 2x the amount of coins when you want to send anonymously.

Imagine you have 100 SUPER you want to send to someone. In order to do this you (at this point) need 200 coins. But if you only have 100 SUPER, perhaps the system can automatically send 50% of your total coins a couple of times. So for example if you want to send 100 SUPER anonymously, the system will first send 50 SUPER (so you have 50 SUPER left for escrow requirements). Afterwards you have sent 50 SUPER and have 50 SUPER left (i'm leaving the fees out to make it easy to understand): now, the system can send half of your coins again, so that's 25 SUPER, and again after it sends 12.5, 6.25, 3.125, ...... and will continue doing this until you have reached <0.5 SUPER or something. Eventually you will have send a total of 99.2 SUPER out of your initial 100 SUPER's (without fee).

Ofcourse with current fees you would have to pay 3.5 SUPER (since it's 7 times 0.5 SUPER as fee for the 7 transactions in this example) but perhaps you can think of something here ? I don't really know whether it's possible to implement this too, I can't do all the maths since i'm leaving to New York City in 2 days and have a lot of stuff to do before I leave. Maybe this is too much work for the system to handle. But I thought I'd just share my thoughts. Perhaps the dev could create a working idea out of it.
3  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][SUPERCOIN]First P2p Decentralized Trustless Anonymous Wallet New Thread on: August 20, 2014, 10:02:24 PM
Let me get this straight, Supercoin is a full working trustless + anon coin.

How come we are not at the moon as of now? Are there so many people unaware that there is a coin out there who has accomplish it? Because everybody is saying there isn't a coin that is full working trustless + anon coin as of yet.  

What is everybody's thoughts on this?


That is a very fair and good question. If I may give my opinion on this, I see Supercoin as a rough diamond. In order to have its maximum value, it first needs to be cutted into a nice and shiny stone. And even though it's still a rough one at this point, it's still a diamond nonetheless . It won't lose that property.

Bitcoin didn't start with a high value either. Remember (one of the) first things bought with bitcoins were 2 pizza's for 10,000 BTC ? That's 5 million dollars as of today. People needed some time to see the potential it had a few years ago, but look at it now. Other altcoins that hold a high value from start is mainly because the coin is being hyped by investors with big money. They pump the price themselves but that creates a bubble that can pop once 1 big investor leaves the coin. Look what happened with Cloak when 1 investor (won't call names) admitted he was responsible for its big price increase and left the community. The big difference here in Super is that it has a genuine increase in price that's actually created by interest of our whole community and other investors that buy the coin for its great features, and not because of investors that are looking to pump it, create a bubble on the market and move on to another coin.


I think the promo is the problem. Apparently super does not have a big team. Some other coins used plain tech but have tons people to fud and promo. They describe their own very common tech in a obscure and twisted way, making many non-tech people think they ar from another planet from the galaxy. This is how they promo and then cheat.

And i'm glad that's not the road Super is taking. Many other coins use their promo as a cover-up to why the market value of their coin is increasing, while the price is being pumped artificially in reality (and only the down-to-earth investors realize this). This is the way of the game in altcoin market nowadays it seems, and the pumpers aren't even shy of telling this openly anymore lately. I'm glad this is not (yet) happening with Super. Our price will increase slower than these coins, but eventually it will lead to a strong position on the market with a good value.
4  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][SUPERCOIN]First P2p Decentralized Trustless Anonymous Wallet New Thread on: August 20, 2014, 09:41:59 PM
Let me get this straight, Supercoin is a full working trustless + anon coin.

How come we are not at the moon as of now? Are there so many people unaware that there is a coin out there who has accomplish it? Because everybody is saying there isn't a coin that is full working trustless + anon coin as of yet.  

What is everybody's thoughts on this?


That is a very fair and good question. If I may give my opinion on this, I see Supercoin as a rough diamond. In order to have its maximum value, it first needs to be cutted into a nice and shiny stone. And even though it's still a rough one at this point, it's still a diamond nonetheless . It won't lose that property.

Bitcoin didn't start with a high value either. Remember (one of the) first things bought with bitcoins were 2 pizza's for 10,000 BTC ? That's 5 million dollars as of today. People needed some time to see the potential it had a few years ago, but look at it now. Other altcoins that hold a high value from start is mainly because the coin is being hyped by investors with big money. They pump the price themselves but that creates a bubble that can pop once 1 big investor leaves the coin. Look what happened with Cloak when 1 investor (won't call names) admitted he was responsible for its big price increase and left the community. The big difference here in Super is that it has a genuine increase in price that's actually created by interest of our whole community and other investors that buy the coin for its great features, and not because of investors that are looking to pump it, create a bubble on the market and move on to another coin.
5  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][SUPERCOIN]First P2p Decentralized Trustless Anonymous Wallet New Thread on: August 19, 2014, 08:55:42 PM
I added some Q&As in the Dev's Corner (2nd post after OP). As I heard there are some fuds on the Supercoin recently, some people who have no knowledge at all on multisig are attacking Supercoin's multisig technology.

By looking at all questions, I found some are good questions (like some from fluffypony), so while ignoring all fuds, I try to answer these questions in Q&A, and we welcome all reasonable questions and I am willing to discuss all details with other qualified devs.

The multisig tech we are using is 100% sound. Other projects such as Open Bazaar (creating a p2p decentralized trustless marketplace) uses the same tech. Unfortunately I see some attacks on Supercoin are completely out of rack. These people with zero knowledge on multisig better find some basic tutorials to understand it before posting nonsense in some threads.

Our purpose is to advance the technologies for cryptocoin. The cryptocoin domain is very new, there will be inevitably mistakes here and there. Our goal is not to say our coin is the best, but to do our best with best technologies and advance our understanding onthe cryptocoin.

With this, here are the Q&As (I added it to Dev's Corner too).


Q1: Since in normal case, Guarantor does not participate in transaction, why we still need it?
A: Guarantor is needed in case of dispute. For example, Mixer claims he sent the coins to destination, while Sender claims he does not see it. At this time, Guarantor is the one to decide whether to distribute the escrow fund as if the transaction completed, or the transaction cancelled.

Q2: Is Supersend with trustless system going to be slower than SuperSend Mixer (phase-1)?
A: In our testing it is pretty fast, the anonymous p2p trustless transaction usually takes 20-40 seconds to complete. But since there are several transactions during the process, it will be a little slower than the SuperSend with centralized mixers.

Q3: Is there a fee to use trustless anonymous system?
A: Yes. The service fee is 1% or 0.5 SUPER, whichever is bigger. The service fee will be shared equally by Mixer and Guarantor.

Q4: If you only use 1 mixer and 1 guarantor, what if I have so many nodes that I can send you a modified multisig transactions that actually sends the coin to another address instead?  
A: First of all, another node will have no idea on what is the escrow multisig address. It is not a public address. It is created on the fly with randomly selected public keys from each of the participating nodes. Other nodes will not receive any info on the public keys. Also, the system does broadcast any messages. Messages are point-2-point and not broadcasted.
Second, all communicated private messages are signed with each party's private key, and verified on arriving by the public key of that party. So another node can not forge a message from a participating party, not to say he has any way to get the message and know the id of transactions etc at all. So other nodes can can not forge messages.

Q5: If sender is only sending it to the mixer and then to the receiver, I can just analyze within X blocks for the same amount of coins and I will have a pretty high confidence level that the transaction belongs to the sender/receiver, especially if the amount is pretty unique?
A: You can't analysis these for sure. The first step we send as one amount, the amount can easily be splitted into multiple amounts as we did in our phase-1 mixer scenario (amount splitted into random 2-4 parts). Moreover, there are many similar amount sent around. All escrow amounts are similar amounts, all you see is that 3-4 similar amounts sent around and you can't trace them as in/out addresses are not linked at all. It is also easy to split the sending amount (and all fund transfer in the transaction) into "canonical" values (meaning standard like 100, 50, 25, 10, 5, 2, 1 etc). These enhancements are very easy to do and we probably will do it in the next few releases.

Q6: The Guarantor is being trusted to do arbitration between the Sender and the Mixer. Therefore, given the nature of 2-of-3 multisig transactions, the Guarantor and the Mixer can sign the transaction, and then refuse to sign the cancellation transaction, leaving the Sender out of luck and out of funds?
A: Yes this is true. However, the system assumes most people are good people. In any system, if majority are bad, then you can't do much, except to have a centralized trust system. This is similar to cryptocoin, if >50% are bad, then they will take over.
This is the same as in trustless distributed marketplace OpenBazaar (https://openbazaar.org/) did. In this system, there are Buyer, Seller and Arbitrator. If both Buyer and Arbitrator are bad (and coordinated), then you can't do much. They published a nice paper to describe this system (https://gist.github.com/dionyziz/e3b296861175e0ebea4b)

Q7: SuperSend Tustless uses TxIDs? With malleability what if the TxID changed?
A: Malleability mainly caused by multiple possible signature format that is in the TxID. This issue mostly fixed in Bitcoin 0.9.0 by restrict to one "standard" format and not replaying any mutated transactions. This basically fixed the problem.
Moreover, we don't need to transfer TxID per se. Our purpose in the algorithm is to verify whether all deposits made correctly, and whether Mixer actually sent the amount to the distinations. There are ways to do this without using TxIDs. strasboug in this thread proposed some solutions:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=734578.0
Since escrow is on the multisig address, and multisig address is broadcasted to all the related parties. Each party can verify the deposits by looking at the input on that address. For Mixer's sent tx it is also easy to verify based on the transaction after a given timestamp, and with Mixer's send wallet address. The solution is does not depend on TxIDs.
Last point I want to make on this is, even if in some very rare case (0.1%?, 0.01%? 0.001%?) the TxID changed, the worst is that the send transaction fails, all fund will be refunded to each party, there will be nothing lost.

Q8: Not all possible malleability vectors are "fixed" in 0.9.0, so transactions are still quite malleable and the transaction ID can still change. What do you do?
A: As said above, TxIDs are not mandatory in the solution. There are other ways to do it. In the first release we use TxIDs, we will possibly switch to non-TxID solutions.
BTW, if you are telling me that Bitcoin is still very vulnerable, I agree. However, we here do not try to beat Bitcoin. If people can still steal Bitcoin with malleability, then they can steal any cryptocoins, SUPER included. I won't feel bad on that at all. This is not related to trustless system, even with rare malleability not yet fixed by Bitcoin, all parties participating trustless transaction will not lose anything.



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6  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Supercoin is fundamentally broken - read why inside and save yourself money on: August 19, 2014, 02:01:03 AM
Are you all afraid that supercoin could kill 99% of altcoins and make a new standar in crypto world or what?

You're a denigrating a coin where price is between 1-3k and market volume is one of the lowest ever regarding anon coin.
So, why all this posts again a coin that is at bottom of most altcoin?

There are coins on bittrex like Eutopium,solecoin,quantum2,shadowcoin etc etc that got 20 times more value and volume market that supercoin, and all is focusing only on supercoin.

So,you're fudding a coin at 2k. I can understand if this coin were quoted 80k-140k....but at this prices...this really make no sense at all.

Supercoin got a daily volume of about 0.8btc a day x exchange(pump and dump period apart).
So,why posting all this stuff about a little coin as supercoin?










this thread was started because you have idiots in your community that picked a stupid fight against the XC community (which is 10x larger than Super's) and spread FUD about our coin and  this thread was more of a retaliation. Our community is usually very good and for such a large community, we have relatively few people that like to go around and stir the pot. However, the self-moderated thread about XC made by a Supercoin investor was pathetic with most of XC's posts being deleted only leaving FUD comments for the entire community to see. On top of that,  the MAMM dev accused our dev of cheating, we had Supercoin investors come in and call XC a scam, a cheat, liars....pretty much anything to defame XC. After a few days of arguing, and dealing with constant bullshit in the self moderated thread (and it was obvious Supercoin investors was trying to skew the story by looking like we didn't have any legitimate responses to their inquiries, however we did and they were constantly deleted), many XC investors were aggravated beyond belief and one opened this thread, just to sort of 'balance the bullshit'.

Well some individuals deserved this, I must say. It's unfortunate it got an impact on the whole SUPER community while only few persons fudded (and honestly I believe it was mainly people from mammoth and no 'real' community members of SUPER). Supercointeam, me and others asked these people to stop the fud several times because it was basically immature the way they did this, and they were damaging our reputation aswell. None of us ever supported them, let that be clear. But since no community is able to decide who invests in its coin we can not have full control over them.

Not sure why some XC investors took the same path as them and started a counter-fud, instead of just opening a thread of their own with answers. But I truely hope 'our' fudders learned their lesson.
7  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][SUPERCOIN]First P2p Decentralized Trustless Anonymous Wallet New Thread on: August 18, 2014, 01:06:52 AM
To point something out, the guy who started that fud thread wrote this before (in another thread)

I would try to defend against those fudsters but I don't have the technical knowledge, like most people here.

A troll with technical knowledge is really the worst kind of troll since it normally takes statements from the dev to put them in place.


Oh and he's a XC supporter.

Funny how you can influence a market that easy. The issue that claims to be the reason it's 'fundamentally broken' is an issue all devs are aware of and (as stated before) is something impossible for a dev (especially ours) to just have forgotten to think about. It's ridiculous these statements are made without looking at the coding. They stated themselves that "you can't claim to have trustless anon with a whitepaper that has no codes explanation" but somehow they have the ability to tell it's broken ? Come on...
8  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][SUPERCOIN]First P2p Decentralized Trustless Anonymous Wallet New Thread on: August 17, 2014, 10:24:22 PM
Wow... looks like this pump is over....   There's no buy support till like 2.2k.. wtf is going on?!?!
Clearly whales trying to manipulate, they could have sold on MP instead of Bittrex and get more BTC so that's pretty obvious. Anyways, good news is there are big investors coming up for the coming days i suppose
9  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][SUPERCOIN]First P2p Decentralized Trustless Anonymous Wallet New Thread on: August 17, 2014, 09:48:39 PM
This is a quick update showing you that dev team is testing on SuperCoin real network.

Below is a screenshot showing successful transaction log for the sender and guarantor. The SuperCoin multisig address created in this transaction is CNixhRT4Jwg92SBLfBAhL4Q9b3sv8Wja4p, note that multisig addresses in SuperCoin starts with "C", not "S" (multisig address never starts with the same letter as normal address, like BTC normal address starts with "1" while multisig address starts with "3" etc). The transactions of it (escrow part) can be seen in the block explorer:
http://chainz.cryptoid.info/super/address.dws?CNixhRT4Jwg92SBLfBAhL4Q9b3sv8Wja4p.htm

This is one of the real network tests we did. Remember we will start beta tests in SuperCoin main network on August 20.



+1
10  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][SUPERCOIN]First P2p Decentralized Trustless Anonymous Wallet New Thread on: August 17, 2014, 07:15:20 PM
what happened with price?
 Huh

There is almost no buy support. So it takes a little to drop the price, doesn't say a lot. See it as an opportunity to buy some more.

I sure am enjoying the cheap coins  Grin  to be honest i was expecting a dump way sooner, they usually happen like every 100% rise in price for other coins but it took a while for SUPER.
11  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][SUPERCOIN]First P2p Decentralized Trustless Anonymous Wallet New Thread on: August 17, 2014, 07:09:52 PM
Been checking the market since the dump and well it's clearly manipulator. He always puts low sell offers of 2.6 SUPER on MP (which is the minimal) probably to mess up the chart. He does this on the other exchanges too, like on bittrex. We should all eat those small offers and make his effort useless. He dumped most of his coins at around 3500 sat so is most likely to buy back below 3k sat. Let's not give him that chance  Smiley We have a strong community we can beat this
12  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][SUPERCOIN]First P2p Decentralized Trustless Anonymous Wallet New Thread on: August 17, 2014, 06:59:53 PM
Hmm price is being manipulated, it seems to be the guy who just dumped. He seems to be suppressing the price to re-invest cheap again. Don't follow the trend he's trying to make, I'd say get some cheap coins out of him
13  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][SUPERCOIN]First P2p Decentralized Trustless Anonymous Wallet New Thread on: August 17, 2014, 06:12:32 PM
Schedule of today, August 17

-Completion of white paper + release
-Alpha test decentralized P2P anon on SUPER's real network



BIG BIG NEWS !!!

Spread the word
14  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][SUPERCOIN]First P2p Decentralized Trustless Anonymous Wallet New Thread on: August 17, 2014, 05:21:18 PM
Well, i hope that all who dumped for profit ended that trend.

Phase II is at our doorsteps, and I think they'll regret it 'cause sold at this time.

Expecting huge uptrend.
There's always some people in need of cash who have to stop investing, it's more coins for others. Our phase 2 hasn't even been officially started, it's his loss (and our gain)
15  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][SUPERCOIN]First P2p Decentralized Trustless Anonymous Wallet New Thread on: August 17, 2014, 05:09:34 PM
Who was with me to catch lots of cheap coins on the market ?
16  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][SUPERCOIN]First P2p Decentralized Trustless Anonymous Wallet New Thread on: August 17, 2014, 01:31:24 PM
when do we get some buying pressure, its very weak now...
It's only weak because the buy orders just got sold, someone did a dump (not too big though). People need some time to put new buy orders
17  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][SUPERCOIN]First P2p Decentralized Trustless Anonymous Wallet New Thread on: August 17, 2014, 12:47:25 PM
Schedule of today, August 17

-Completion of white paper + release
-Alpha test decentralized P2P anon on SUPER's real network



BIG BIG NEWS !!!

Spread the word
18  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][SUPERCOIN]First P2p Decentralized Trustless Anonymous Wallet New Thread on: August 17, 2014, 11:09:51 AM


We're slowly making progress on our historic price chart people, let's show to those who couldn't believe in "phase 2" that they were wrong. Today will be the day SUPER gets in touch with our decentralized anon feature (phase 2) for the first time. Time to go beyond our historic peaks on the market when we used to anticipate phase 2.
19  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][SUPERCOIN]First P2p Decentralized Trustless Anonymous Wallet New Thread on: August 17, 2014, 08:38:44 AM


We're slowly making progress on our historic price chart people, let's show to those who couldn't believe in "phase 2" that they were wrong. Today will be the day SUPER gets in touch with our decentralized anon feature (phase 2) for the first time. Time to go beyond our historic peaks on the market when we used to anticipate phase 2.
20  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][SUPERCOIN]First P2p Decentralized Trustless Anonymous Wallet New Thread on: August 17, 2014, 08:17:41 AM
I want to give a quick update on our status.

We have started alpha testing with Mammothcoin main network 2 days ago, we had 2 sessions, most trustless anonymous tx worked fine, we also have identified some bugs and are in the process of fixing them. Alpha test will last a few more days. Then we will switch to Supercoin's main network for beta testing. Dev team sync'd the code with SuperCoin codebase, and is in the process of testing with SuperCoin. In beta tests, we will invite community members to participate. Stay tuned.

The multisig addresses for SuperCoin starts with "C" as opposed to the normal SuperCoin address which starts with "S" (the multisig address of MammothCoin starts with "b"), you can easily identify them in the blockchain explorer. I will post some screenshots later for the SuperCoin real network testing.

Please post any questions you may have, we'll try our best to answer them. Wink

Great news, is whitepaper still going to be released today aswell ?



Looking good !
we will do alpha tests in about 12 hours later. We are quite busy. Everything how multisig technology should be used explained mostly and already and the first time ever in supercoindev post here https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=736705.msg8324932#msg8324932 It's also proven that system actually works in he alpha test yesterday.

This is multisig based innovator crypto, truly trustless and it works see: http://screencast-o-matic.com/watch/c2j2lynsM2

We plan to make today supercoin alpha tests. As superdev explained https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=736705.msg8390411#msg8390411

keep up good work, we are getting hot.






I was upset that SUPER didn't get to alpha test it, so I think it is great news we can participate it aswell now !
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