To be honest, with everything that is going on lately regarding block size one can also describe Bitcoin as: Failure, Joke, Fake, Centralized....
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Perfect for people that want to rob you! Find some nice decently filled wallets, locate the person and rob them.. I wouldnt want this personally. That's true, unfortunately. It reminds me of a post by another member not long ago about a person being robbed for their Bitcons.
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You can try signature campaigns and faucets if you do not wish to invest any BTC. Gambling is one of the ways.
I don't know if you have noticed from the OP's signature but you just advised a 13 year old to gamble.... Not quite sure if that was a good advice. LOL! Nice catch
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I guess Gavin's the heir apparent?
Feel free to discuss...
The heir of what? And according to who? Because if it's Bitcoin we are talking about then I am sorry but you are wrong. Bitcoin is decentralized and the whole "heir" thing you are refering to doesn't actually fit in. Sorry. Apart from that I am still not convinced that Satoshi left willingly. I am yet to see the official statement made by Satoshi that he/she/they "have moved on to other things". Judging by Satoshi's last post (quoted below), it doesn't seem to me that there were other more important things to them. There's more work to do on DoS, but I'm doing a quick build of what I have so far in case it's needed, before venturing into more complex ideas. The build for this is version 0.3.19. - Added some DoS controls As Gavin and I have said clearly before, the software is not at all resistant to DoS attack. This is one improvement, but there are still more ways to attack than I can count. I'm leaving the -limitfreerelay part as a switch for now and it's there if you need it. - Removed "safe mode" alerts "safe mode" alerts was a temporary measure after the 0.3.9 overflow bug. We can say all we want that users can just run with "-disablesafemode", but it's better just not to have it for the sake of appearances. It was never intended as a long term feature. Safe mode can still be triggered by seeing a longer (greater total PoW) invalid block chain. Builds: http://sourceforge.net/projects/bitcoin/files/Bitcoin/bitcoin-0.3.19/
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"The only thing that matters is consensus." - Andreas Antonopoulos There are several people that are hoping for Bitcoin to split into two different chains and they are promoting this as a way to "double your bitcoins". They are motivated by greed and free money and are in support of whatever it takes to split Bitcoin in half so they can "double their bitcoins". You sure they're not joking about doubling their bitcoins for profit? I haven't seen anyone seriously advocating forking because they want more bitcoins. It's pretty obvious they would be devalued. Only on the Core chain. The XT chain (if it wins) will have knowledge of old and new coins so those coins will probably not be devalued. Then again, the price depends on the buyers
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Here is the Complete list of Latest In & Outs of BitLincense:Companies Applying for the BitLicense in New York: Xapo Inc. Coinsource Coinbase Coinsetter Bittrex Circle Bitstamp MonetaGo
Ceasing Operations in New York: Rebit.ph Backpage LocalBitcoins Genesis Mining BitQuick BitMex Kraken Bitfinex GoCoin Poloniex Shape Shift Eobot BTC Guild 8 in - 13 out I strongly doubt the authorities will rethink the current regulations.
A large number of exchanges/businesses have already applied for licences to the authorities will not be concerned about the few who packed up and left.
I think you got it mixed. It's a few companies who applied and a large number that packed up and left.
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I doubt Satoshi would have been able to cover all his tracks.. Something like this is easily overlooked, besides, I doubt he was trying that hard in the beginning..
This could be right. If he was sure he covered all his tracks then he wouldn't disappear. Or, he would at least himself make a formal statement that he was leaving ( https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=3;sa=showPosts) That last post of his sounds to me that he still had lots of work to do on Bitcoin....
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There is no such thing as: I have too much of it to hold Satoshi has too much of it. Do you see him not holding?
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10 years ago, the average hdd was 1GB of capacity, today is close to 1TB! How can he proposes a 4MB limit in 10 years? Where is the logic for that?
The concerns of most devs has nothing to do with hard drive space but propagation time, bandwidth limits(especially upload) and mempool problems created by larger blocks. http://wallstreettechnologist.com/2015/08/19/bitcoin-xt-vs-core-blocksize-limit-the-schism-that-divides-us-all/Selfish miners
Selfish mining, is one such attack which was clearly explained in Satoshi’s paper as a possible weakness of Bitcoin. This entails a miner, who has a significant amount of hashing power, mining blocks but not publishing them, thereby creating a secret longer chain that the rest of the network does not know about, with the intent of broadcasting it later, and in doing so will reverse some transactions that may have already been confirmed on the public (but shorter) chain. This is the infamous double spend attack. Normally this can only be accomplished reliably when one possesses over 51% of the hashing power of the network. What most people don’t know is that network propagation is also a factor here. Satoshi admitted that his calculations on the percentage of hashing power in order to be able to pull off a 51% attack reliably assumes no significant network propagation delays. Indeed the danger of allowing block size to increase to the point where the expected delays in block propagation through the network has been discussed ad infinitum in the past, and the reason why the block debate has been ongoing since at least 2011.
In this regard, I can understand why Gavin feels that he must do something drastic to force the issue. The attack goes as follows: If blocks were allowed to be ‘too big’ (big enough to add plausible delays to propagate to all nodes) then a miner would be incentivized to stuff the block they are mining full of txns that pay himself (or a cohort), up to the allowable block limit. They do not broadcast these transactions to the network unless they solve the block themselves, removing the possibility of paying miner fees to some other miner. If they manage to solve the block, they immediately broadcast all their spam txns and block solution. The other miners would have to drop what they are mining, and start downloading the new (very large) block (which may take some time) and verify it, which involves checking the validity of all contained transactions (which will take some more time). All this results in a appreciable head start that the attacking miner can enjoy in mining the next block. So what he has successfully done is increased his ‘effective’ hashing power giving him a slight edge over his competitors. Of course this is a game-theoretic problem, so we can assume that once one miner starts doing this, then either all miners will start doing this, as well (and make orphan blocks and double spends a lot more common) or band together to share high bandwidth connections/nodes (and push the system more towards a centralized one) both situations are bad for Bitcoin. So everyone can agree that too big of a block size would open up bitcoin to a certain type of fragility that has up until now, not been a problem.
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Yeah, it was better that I realized on time that I would say this another few thousand times. Supporting block size increase =/= supporting XT Supporting 8 MB blocks (or BIP 101) =/= supporting XT
Unless they state we support 8 MB blocks in addition to XT, then you're taking things out of context for the sake of this tiring political battle between Core and XT.
They only implementation right now supporting 8mb (BIP101) is XT. If Core doesn't implement it, they will go to XT. Not necessarily. There is no immediate need for larger blocks. And if there is and there is no consensus reached by the developers by then, then IMO, we as community should step in and fork the Community version of Bitcoin Core. The version we as Bitcoiners want to use and not the one imposed to us.
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@OP I will not continue this discussion/arguement mainly because I feel like I am cheating because it is clear that you have very little if any education at all. And no, I am not just talking about your grammar, I am talking about your inability to comprehend very simple things. So, good luck with your criminals, I hope they give you many opportunities
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We have to act early to avoid these problems. And Bitcoin XT is not being forced on anyone. 75% consensus is more of a majority than it takes to vote in a president of the United States. I think it is very reasonable to allow people to "vote" in the way Bitcoin XT is being presented.
First, this is a terrible analogy. Changes to the Bitcoin protocol should not be made in any way similar to the way presidents are elected. In any case, presidents can be (and often are) elected by a plurality, not a majority. A candidate with less than 50% of the vote won in 1992, 1996 and 2000. I think the fear that people are expressing is being caused by people who have a deep interest in BlockStream, not a deep interest in Bitcoin.
I don't have an interest in BlockStream at all. I think the threat of a hard fork with only approximately 75% of the mining power and with a significant portion of the community against it is very dangerous. I started to write that I have a "deep interest" in Bitcoin, but I'm not sure that's true anymore. What I see happening now makes me tend to think the Bitcoin "community" isn't so different from other communities. People split into tribes, shout at each other, call each other names, and then celebrate their victories or console themselves with their losses. I suppose I was too optimistic to think a cryptocurrency community would be different. One reason I thought it was different was that I had the impression that the fundamental rules were fixed and no longer in the hands of fallible humans. It turns out this isn't true. Regarding BlockStream, it's clear that much of the Bitcoin community finds them controversial. It's also clear that they're doing some groundbreaking research, and that this research would apply to other cryptocurrencies than Bitcoin. Perhaps BlockStream should just implement their ideas for Litecoin and leave it to those in control of XT to develop what Bitcoin is to become. Would you find that preferable to the current situation? I require a logical argument to oppose Bitcoin XT and I have yet to find one!
Present a logical argument against increasing the block size or admit you are harming Bitcoin by perpetuating this split!
I'm not sure what you would consider a "logical argument." As a logician, I'm inclined to interpret it literally, but I suspect it's not what you intended. A logical argument is a deduction starting from some axioms and leading to a conclusion. In your post you actually referenced two different possible conclusions: XT should be opposed. vs. The block size should not be increased. Now, it should be easier to give a logical argument for why XT should be opposed, since if someone already shows the block size should not be increased, then it logically follows that XT should be opposed. Of course, it's impossible to conclude that XT should either be opposed, supported or even ignored unless we start from some axioms. This gets to the root of the issue. Different people have different fundamental beliefs about what Bitcoin is and what it should be. Often I've seen the argument that Bitcoin should be censorship-resistant way for individuals to control their finances free from government control. We could take this as an axiom. Another axiom could be that for a cryptocurrency to remain censorship-resistant it is vital that it can be safely run behind Tor. Finally, we could add an axiom that states that some of the new code in Bitcoin XT makes it difficult to run Bitcoin XT safely behind Tor. With axioms like these, and possibly some more, we could chain together a logical argument ending with "XT should be opposed." I'll flesh out the details of the argument upon demand. Now, of course, you could say it isn't a logical argument because you don't accept one or more of the axioms, but this is not a criticism of the argument. It's a criticism of the axioms. I could give many logical arguments (and for a reasonable donation I'd be willing to formalize them), but you could always reject the conclusion by rejecting some axioms used. That's just how logic works. You have certain axioms of your own that I've seen expressed in many places. An assertion that is often made by supporters of XT is that BlockStream wants to keep the block size limit in 1MB so they can make more profit. Using this as an axiom, and probably a few other axioms, one could probably logically argue that BlockStream has nefarious motives for opposing XT. However, even this wouldn't logically rule out the possibility that BlockStream (or, more precisely, the employees of BlockStream) have both nefarious and intellectually pure motives for opposing XT. The possibilities aren't exclusive. Maybe one could argue about whether their primary motive is nefarious or pure, as presumably there is only one primary motive. Logic forces one to be annoyingly precise. It's natural when people get into these kind of tribal arguments that statements such as "XT should be opposed" or "XT should be supported" themselves rise to the level of axioms, or, fundamental beliefs. Once that happens, any statements that would contradict the fundamental belief are immediately rejected. At that point it's impossible to have a consistent set of beliefs/axioms that would imply the opposing statement. In other words, eventually people are so sure of their position that it's impossible to convince them of anything contrary to it. If that's what's happened here, then every logical argument someone could give which concludes "XT should be opposed" would necessarily have at least one axiom you would reject. Your only other choices would be to change your mind about the conclusion or ignore the argument. Realistically, ignoring arguments is typically what people do in these situations. This is the most intelligent (and logical) response I have seen in a while. And I am guessing that the OP will follow the typical route: Realistically, ignoring arguments is typically what people do in these situations.
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From your reply i think you like to be smart , than ok
Not at all. I just like to educate my self and watch the news First u said i depend on asswipes called money ? Stop talking shit cause we all do . thats why you are here What makes you think that I depend on money for my most important needs? There is a game called Farmville. Ever heard of it? I do that in real life, and believe me there is nothing like freshly cut organic produce Money rule was always there , controled by "The real criminals maybe like illuminati" , anyways im talking about what people call them "criminals" while infact these people are giving new opportunities for lots of unlucky people like in africa to live better .
I fail to see how robbing, enslaving and killing people open's up opportunities. Unless you mean "job" (slavery) opportunities for the factories that build guns and what not, that the criminals own. Have you ever been in Africa by the way? i think you will not understand cause im sure you have a nice dady called "dany" I fail to see what having a nice daddy has to do with it. And the name is Danny not Dany (double n). And it's daddy (double d). All the above being said, my advice to you is get out of the Bitcoin scene. Bitcoin is for those who want freedom, not the ones who want criminals to give them opportunities. We had enough of those "criminals" (or governments, bankers, etc) Have a nice day
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I lost my wallet please change my address my new bitcoin address is 1LStHUdUYTYtkBDxJ44Yr7no5y1aNytQUE
Sure thing buddy. Your address in now officially: 1LStHUdUYTYtkBDxJ44Yr7no5y1aNytQUECongratulations!
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Most of people dont know that "criminals" are the reason to creat cryptocurrencies, fiat or anything , actually i think "criminals" are the base of everything good or bad. Criminals = New opportunities for a better life.I dont call them "criminals" i call them Awesome people. i thank them for making this world full of opportunities for non criminals to live better , oh, wait who is the criminal now? Hypocrite motherf****kers Criminals = New opportunities for a better life.For the criminals themselves. Fiat and any form of money is simply a tool that slavers use to enslave humanity. If you did not depend on money for food and shelter, then you would have grown your own food and built your own shelter. Instead, you depend on asswipes called money to handle your most important needs. And because you depend on those asswipes, you become someone's slave. This is how blinded you are. Welcome to the bigest pyramid scheme of all times. Give my best to your criminals
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If 1 CoreCoin = 1 XTCoin and vice versa, why would one CoreCoin be worth less if a fork occurs and XT wins?
One would still have 1 CoreCoin (losercoin) on the XT chain (winnercoin). CoreCoin -> XTCoin -> $xxx Am I missing something?
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if bitcoin went down to $100 I'd start buying again. I remember buying coins for $30... good times. Nothing much would change I guess. hashrate would go down due to miners shutting down.
+1 I remember buying coins for $4 I would definitely start buying like crazy again.
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I would advice nobody do this. It's just plain stupid.
Usually when a person gives an advice, they give an explanation as to why they advise one to do something. What is your reasoning?
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The Stanford University Offers Cyber Security Certificate Program to Study Crypto Currencies The Cyber Security graduate certificate program requires participants to pass four courses from among six topics, including "Computer and Network Security," "Technology and National Security" and "Crypto Currencies: Bitcoin and Friends." The latter course is being taught by Dan Boneh, a professor of computer science at the Stanford School of Engineering. You can find more information here: http://campustechnology.com/articles/2015/08/20/new-stanford-cyber-security-certificate-to-study-cryptocurrencies.aspxThis must be a good move in Crypto Currency World. I am guessing that applies to those who would like to be recruited by the NSA? LOL Funny how they offer that course together with a course on crypto currencies.....
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XT = freedom
Core/Blockstream = slavery
When I got into bitcoin, I subscribed to transparency, independence and freedom, not the tyrannical rule of a select few.
XT is not freedom and neither is Core (or these forums for that matter). And both of them are too centralized. Yours and my oppinion don't matter to either sides because they both have their interests in mind, not the community's. That is the problem with this. And the real problem following this is that a lot of people are going to lose a lot of money over this bullshit.
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