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1  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: July 20, 2018, 12:32:48 PM
Can someone tl;dr the post of smartassette? Im too lazy to read it.  Grin

tl;dr
taxes are ok because majorities support them so fuck minorities

Seasteading sucks because he doesn't understand that in French Polynesia you don't need A/C nor heat because the temperature fluctuates from about 20C to 27C throughout the year. Plenty of sunshine for solar and plenty of rain, humidity, salt water for fresh water. Also...people already live on these islands.

People all freak out that a floating platform in a lagoon cannot exist because "problems". The people already living on the island may beg to differ with all of the reasons that they can't live there.

As for the unlikely scenario of a floating platform being able to exist in a Tahitian lagoon...this is where I spent my Sunday last weekend:


In a Tahitian lagoon


Nice thatched raft. Where are all those people shitting?

I wasn’t referring to temperature control you dimwit: without climate control how are you managing against humidity, corrosion and mold? A dehumidifier is the exact same thing as an AC, without separating the compressor. You can’t store clothes or sensitive electronics or books there. How are you preventing salt spray from crystallizing on the solar panels?

I’ve lived for years on the equator, and sure you don’t get so many typhoons but what about the fucking annual monsoons and dry spells?

How much diesel are you using ferrying everything to and fro?

Your own environmental impact statement says it best: there remains significant risk and uncertainty. The only real mitigation you currently have is your puny ass scale of operations.
2  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: July 19, 2018, 09:40:15 PM
Sigh... There just isn't enough time in the day to address all these triggers...

Go right ahead, click Ignore/scroll on by. This is a special delivery for our tax-evading merman/pirate Elwar:

You falsely believe that I don't want to share. There's a difference between being extorted and voluntarily sharing.

Extortion is criminal and tax-funded states protect citizens against extortion.

Taxation is legal and as fair as possible by consensus in dozens of countries.

Slavery was perfectly legal for a long time. Doesn't mean it was right.

Again, your reaction to someone not wanting to be extorted is to think they are being greedy. It is more greedy to just want everything taken care of through a system of force instead of coming up with a better system that benefits society without force.

Your ideas are so good that they require the point of the gun for people to cooperate.

Yeah, so every tax day in developed nations around the world, federal tax agents go door to door pointing guns at people's heads. There's riots in the streets. Thousands of delinquents are led to prison in chain-gangs. Everything shuts down, taxes are so onerous.

What world do you live in? The vast majority pay their taxes without coercion. Hell, they even voted for them. Most offenses are negotiable civil penalties and payment plans. Even major tax evasion is usually handled in the courts without bloodshed. What are you, a syndicated crime boss to be so concerned with paying taxes?

Equating "the evils" of taxation to those of slavery is beyond irresponsible. Justified outrage over slavery caused a major fucking civil war in the US, pitting brother against brother. The effects are still rippling through society today. Taxes are a minor annoyance in comparison.

Quote from: Elwar
If you don't want to pay taxes, go ahead and renounce your citizenship, go live on a boat and see how long you survive without state assistance once pirates, typhoons and diseases show up.
I already left the country, working on that "boat"[/url] part.

So you literally want to put glorified houseboats on coral reefs? Of all the inane places to put houseboats, you couldn't pick a more sensitive, fragile ecosystem? Who the hell are your science and engineering advisers?

Tropical sun and saltwater comprise one of the most punishing, corrosive environments in the world. Even the best designed yachts require ridiculous amounts of maintenance, cleaning, and dry dock expenses. How are you managing hull buildups floating directly on the water? Only the poorest of the poor in developing countries live in miserable water villages, and even they aren't stupid enough to float; they stilt! What will people do to combat island fever, stare at the ocean, stare under the ocean, stare at the ocean again? Who are your clients, invalids?

The amount of energy required to maintain a comfortable lifestyle over tropical waters is insane. How are you managing climate control, with outdoor compressors and generators? Where is your fresh water coming from during inevitable dry spells, desalination? I can't imagine solar will be enough to power everything, so are you relying on diesel? There's hardly enough wave or tidal energy behind lagoonal reefs, nevermind the infancy in technology. How are you managing corrosion? Boat transportation involves even more diesel since you won't be tethered to dry land. So right off the bat, your energy supplies are unsustainable.

What about food? Coral reefs are hardly sustainable food sources; they are already on the brink of ecological collapse. You can't grow seaweed in such nutrient-poor waters, you can hardly even grow vegetables or raise goats on impoverished tropical soils. What kind of salt-spray-tolerant trees will you grow on a floating platform, coconut palms? They hardly provide enough shade and are a hazard to everything and everyone below.

So security will be provided by the host country? At what expense? Via taxes and import tariffs? Hahaha. Where's the sovereignty in that?

What about pollution and sanitation? Are you attempting septic wastewater treatment? Over coral reefs? Speechless.

Not a single aspect of your glorified houseboats is sustainable, much less scalable. Not energy, water, food, ecology, maintenance, sanitation, or security. It's an absolute nightmare of a money pit.

If you had put just a tiny bit more thought into this pilot plan of yours, you would have chosen a far more feasible environment with cheap, sustainable resources, like the pacific northwest. Plenty of cloud cover and rain for drinking, comfort, and corrosion control. Sheltered bays. Nutrient-rich waters for sustainable protein and seaweed harvesting. Barely a need for climate control. Minimal risk to the environment from effluent. The potential for wave and tidal energy. Hell, you'd probably even be able to draw from existing land-based hydroelectric power. And tons and tons of excursion opportunities onto continental dry land when you get island fever. You could even raise money providing tours via local tourism. Best of all, you wouldn't have to barge all your building materials and supplies to the middle of the fucking ocean. I bet you could even Amazon Prime.

And what the hell do houseboats have to do with an ICO? Seriously? The biggest red flag boondoggle of all.

You may have accidentally made a lot of money on crypto, but it just goes to show, money cannot buy you brains.

What you promise:


What you'll deliver:


/trigger

Whew.

Go Bitcoin Go.
3  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: July 18, 2018, 09:36:29 PM
Today, I pay my fair share of taxes and everyone leaves me the fuck alone.

This, my friend, is the definition of extortion. Pay or get fucked with.

I am all for funding social buildings, schools, hospitals, fire fighting, all of those things.
I also do not support extortion.
These are two different things. You seem to think that one must exist in order for the other to happen.
Why do you think you believe this? Possibly those schools funded by extortion taught that this is normal?

What are you a kindergartner?

"I'm all for sharing candy. Just not my candy. Thief!"

Extortion is criminal and tax-funded states protect citizens against extortion.

Taxation is legal and as fair as possible by consensus in dozens of countries. In the US, it's written into the fucking constitution. The vast majority of people and their elected representatives thought it in their overwhelmingly best interest for the common welfare and defense of the state. And no, the constitution was not written by state-funded, brain-washed schoolteachers, but a bunch of fucking liberal revolutionaries. The Bitcoinists of their time, sick and tired of a centralized monarchy, unfair wealth distribution, and lack of religious freedoms. Sound familiar?

If you don't want to pay taxes, go ahead and renounce your citizenship, go live on a boat and see how long you survive without state assistance once pirates, typhoons and diseases show up.

All you ignorant, juvenile libertarian, conservative, racist alt-righter fuckers can all go proper fuck yourselves.

Says the guy who probably supports the party that created the KKK.

Says the carrot-cake eating Ho-Ho -- black on the outside, white on the inside.

One party may have started the KKK but the other (yours, it seems) is overwhelmingly carrying the (tiki) torches.

Go cry Spike Lee a river, maybe he'll make you a movie of it.
4  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: July 18, 2018, 03:50:01 PM
Just take the taxes side of things. You can't own the house because of the property taxes. You can't go anywhere without paying the taxes on the gas. You can't leave the country if you owe the IRS.
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So it's fine if you're a statist cuck with no ambition. But it's no place for a sovereign individual.

Sovereign individual, ha! Since when has that ever existed?

So you speak your own language, hunt your own meat, grow your own crops, kill your own invaders, quarry your own stone, harvest your own wood, build your own house, drill your own oil, refine your own petrol, smelt your own iron, engineer your own vehicle, build your own roads, diagnose your own ailments, harvest your own herbs, extract your own medicines, and have no need for any form of money because sovereign individuals have no need for trade?

Let me guess, you even clone your own cells and incubate your own children? Or do come from a long line of immaculate conception?

Are you even born with your own innate knowledge and wisdom, an instinctual master of the world? The little prince, master of your own little planet?

Bitcoin may be trustless but is far far from being sovereign. Bitcoin is as close to socialism as money can be. It utterly depends on an egalitarian network of contributing participants.

It wasn't long ago we lived through feudalism. Your knight or earl was your lord, he had first rights to your bride-to-be, and murder was rarely an offense for insolence. You worked the land to the bone and payed most of your gains in tribute and were the first to starve when crops failed.

It wasn't too long ago we lived through human sacrifice to appease the sun, volcano, or weather gods.

It wasn't long ago we lived through slavery, where the mere color of your skin dictated your legal status.

It wasn't long ago we lived through the caste system, where how you were born is how you would die.

It wasn't long ago we lived through the wild wild west, where natives and settlers and outlaws murdered each other in their sleep with impunity.

It wasn't too long ago whether we were circumcised or not meant life or death in an oven or gas chamber.

It wasn't too long ago we were murdered for being an intellectual, midwife, healer, or believer, swept up in one cultural or social or religious revolution or another.

I guarantee, your ancestors most likely fall into one of those categories, and it's a freaking miracle your little squirt of DNA even made it to this forum.

Sovereign individual indeed.

Today, I pay my fair share of taxes and everyone leaves me the fuck alone.

It is not too high a price to pay, these tax-funded governments and social constructs of ours.

Your ancestors would spit in your face and shit on your grave if they could, to hear you trivialize how far society has come to build the states we live in now and how easy we have had it for the sacrifices they lived through.

All you ignorant, juvenile libertarian, conservative, racist alt-righter fuckers can all go proper fuck yourselves. History is not on your side. Bitcoin is not your personal savior.

You fuckers may be the most vocal, but you are not the majority by any means. Your own neuroses, insecurities and failures drive you to attack or disagree with anyone who might have a shred of thought different from your own carefully constructed house-of-cards conspiracy-theory cult bullshit.

/trigger

Go Bitcoin go.

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