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Question: Closing BTC Price June 17:
$0 - 4 (3%)
<$6,500 - 7 (5.3%)
$6,500-$6,750 - 1 (0.8%)
$6,751-$7,000 - 2 (1.5%)
$7,001-$7,250 - 3 (2.3%)
$7,251-$7,500 - 6 (4.5%)
$7,501-$7,750 - 4 (3%)
$7,751-$8,000 - 12 (9.1%)
$8,001-$8,250 - 13 (9.8%)
$8,251-$8,500 - 7 (5.3%)
$8,501-$8,750 - 6 (4.5%)
$8,751-$9,000 - 11 (8.3%)
$9,001,$9,250 - 13 (9.8%)
$9,251-$9,500 - 17 (12.9%)
>$9,500 - 17 (12.9%)
$20,000 - 9 (6.8%)
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I was thinking about that the other day. Imagine an alien watching us humans as we travel through space gathering gold.

"Why do they expend so much time and resources to gather that metal? Is it vital to their survival? Do they need it for food or to reproduce?"

"No, they just gather it and hide it away in metal boxes so that other humans don't take it."

Isn't it the same with bitcoin?
Yeah except bitcoin actually has value and practical utility.

Originally we collected gold for the gods (or whatever they were)



Yeah... that made them realise we were stupid beyond any hope and be gone leaving us with our useless metals. Some day they will be back and take all our precious Bitcoin. THAT will hurt.
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I was thinking about that the other day. Imagine an alien watching us humans as we travel through space gathering gold.

"Why do they expend so much time and resources to gather that metal? Is it vital to their survival? Do they need it for food or to reproduce?"

"No, they just gather it and hide it away in metal boxes so that other humans don't take it."

Isn't it the same with bitcoin?
Yeah except bitcoin actually has value and practical utility.

Originally we collected gold for the gods (or whatever they were)



Yeah... that made them realise we were stupid beyond any hope and be gone leaving us with our useless metals. Some day they will be back and take all our precious Bitcoin. THAT will hurt.


You sure they want the bitcoin

The ancient gods used our female women to create the nephelim

If you believe in such Bibles


This became a commodity of very significant galactic consequences



as with human trafficking today this would be a galactic problem among any race

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July 19, 2018, 08:47:28 PM

Gold in asteroids might have other properties, due to it being in space. Maybe cosmic rays can change its characteristics. But then it will not be gold anymore, but another metal.
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July 19, 2018, 09:05:41 PM

Gold in asteroids might have other properties, due to it being in space. Maybe cosmic rays can change its characteristics. But then it will not be gold anymore, but another metal.

Um.   gold is an element is it not
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July 19, 2018, 09:17:44 PM

Gold in asteroids might have other properties, due to it being in space. Maybe cosmic rays can change its characteristics. But then it will not be gold anymore, but another metal.

Um.   gold is an element is it not

Yes, gold is an element. If a cosmic ray hit a gold atom, there is a chance that it could transmute it into another element. However, since most of the gold would be beneath the surface of an asteroid, I doubt the cosmic rays will be able to penetrate very far.
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July 19, 2018, 09:21:23 PM

All accessible gold on earth comes from meteorite bombardment 200 million years after the earth’s formation.   All of our gold comes from space.

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Sigh... There just isn't enough time in the day to address all these triggers...

Go right ahead, click Ignore/scroll on by. This is a special delivery for our tax-evading merman/pirate Elwar:

You falsely believe that I don't want to share. There's a difference between being extorted and voluntarily sharing.

Extortion is criminal and tax-funded states protect citizens against extortion.

Taxation is legal and as fair as possible by consensus in dozens of countries.

Slavery was perfectly legal for a long time. Doesn't mean it was right.

Again, your reaction to someone not wanting to be extorted is to think they are being greedy. It is more greedy to just want everything taken care of through a system of force instead of coming up with a better system that benefits society without force.

Your ideas are so good that they require the point of the gun for people to cooperate.

Yeah, so every tax day in developed nations around the world, federal tax agents go door to door pointing guns at people's heads. There's riots in the streets. Thousands of delinquents are led to prison in chain-gangs. Everything shuts down, taxes are so onerous.

What world do you live in? The vast majority pay their taxes without coercion. Hell, they even voted for them. Most offenses are negotiable civil penalties and payment plans. Even major tax evasion is usually handled in the courts without bloodshed. What are you, a syndicated crime boss to be so concerned with paying taxes?

Equating "the evils" of taxation to those of slavery is beyond irresponsible. Justified outrage over slavery caused a major fucking civil war in the US, pitting brother against brother. The effects are still rippling through society today. Taxes are a minor annoyance in comparison.

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If you don't want to pay taxes, go ahead and renounce your citizenship, go live on a boat and see how long you survive without state assistance once pirates, typhoons and diseases show up.
I already left the country, working on that "boat"[/url] part.

So you literally want to put glorified houseboats on coral reefs? Of all the inane places to put houseboats, you couldn't pick a more sensitive, fragile ecosystem? Who the hell are your science and engineering advisers?

Tropical sun and saltwater comprise one of the most punishing, corrosive environments in the world. Even the best designed yachts require ridiculous amounts of maintenance, cleaning, and dry dock expenses. How are you managing hull buildups floating directly on the water? Only the poorest of the poor in developing countries live in miserable water villages, and even they aren't stupid enough to float; they stilt! What will people do to combat island fever, stare at the ocean, stare under the ocean, stare at the ocean again? Who are your clients, invalids?

The amount of energy required to maintain a comfortable lifestyle over tropical waters is insane. How are you managing climate control, with outdoor compressors and generators? Where is your fresh water coming from during inevitable dry spells, desalination? I can't imagine solar will be enough to power everything, so are you relying on diesel? There's hardly enough wave or tidal energy behind lagoonal reefs, nevermind the infancy in technology. How are you managing corrosion? Boat transportation involves even more diesel since you won't be tethered to dry land. So right off the bat, your energy supplies are unsustainable.

What about food? Coral reefs are hardly sustainable food sources; they are already on the brink of ecological collapse. You can't grow seaweed in such nutrient-poor waters, you can hardly even grow vegetables or raise goats on impoverished tropical soils. What kind of salt-spray-tolerant trees will you grow on a floating platform, coconut palms? They hardly provide enough shade and are a hazard to everything and everyone below.

So security will be provided by the host country? At what expense? Via taxes and import tariffs? Hahaha. Where's the sovereignty in that?

What about pollution and sanitation? Are you attempting septic wastewater treatment? Over coral reefs? Speechless.

Not a single aspect of your glorified houseboats is sustainable, much less scalable. Not energy, water, food, ecology, maintenance, sanitation, or security. It's an absolute nightmare of a money pit.

If you had put just a tiny bit more thought into this pilot plan of yours, you would have chosen a far more feasible environment with cheap, sustainable resources, like the pacific northwest. Plenty of cloud cover and rain for drinking, comfort, and corrosion control. Sheltered bays. Nutrient-rich waters for sustainable protein and seaweed harvesting. Barely a need for climate control. Minimal risk to the environment from effluent. The potential for wave and tidal energy. Hell, you'd probably even be able to draw from existing land-based hydroelectric power. And tons and tons of excursion opportunities onto continental dry land when you get island fever. You could even raise money providing tours via local tourism. Best of all, you wouldn't have to barge all your building materials and supplies to the middle of the fucking ocean. I bet you could even Amazon Prime.

And what the hell do houseboats have to do with an ICO? Seriously? The biggest red flag boondoggle of all.

You may have accidentally made a lot of money on crypto, but it just goes to show, money cannot buy you brains.

What you promise:
https://www.seasteading.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/NBC-floating-island.jpg

What you'll deliver:
https://lh4.ggpht.com/-WoCCo4Bdhmk/U06Lgla3GPI/AAAAAAAAxiw/YhU1Qe8D9n8/makoko-12%25255B5%25255D.jpg

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French or English, I cannot understand your point.
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July 19, 2018, 09:42:03 PM

what did i saids one year ago ?

its a scam

in thz mentaime gzt 100x - think about it, theymos lose our time I don't

je te la refais en fr :

qu'est bcxe que j'ai dis il ya an ?

que vous<alliez percre te que mou je gangerai... vous êtes vraiment des connards


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July 19, 2018, 09:53:07 PM

Let the price of BTC pump cause This fucker is Going full madness tomorrow -This weekend-next weekend on tomorrow land wheeeee pump and let iT be a double party  Grin Grin
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4000 years ago I believe gold did serve a purpose other than storage of wealth.  Gold was used to cap the great pyramids for reasons we still struggle to understand today.  
I once saw a strange meteorite piece under a microscope at the Tucson Gem show which had many perfect 4 sided pyramids each capped with a small dot of 24k gold.   Completely natural.  That experience bent my mind.  
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Why didn't he buy gold and bury it? Gold is wormproof.
Gold in the 1980's was still expensive, in relative price terms it was more expensive in 80's then it is now after all the destruction to dollar value somehow.   But gold spiked when rates were 15%   which is quite ironic and still now people dont get that gold will rise fastest also when rates are rising (but lagging inflation hence actually negative).  Its because the situation is slipping in some way and gold is an easy self adjusting measure unreliant on any artificial demand  (long term)

Escobar wasnt smart, he was just a crook and terrorist.   He should have invested in many alternatives but he stacked it high I guess.   All the same the USD bond appreciation or reduction in rates happened from that point, the smart buy is recognising that trend I guess.    
So price is inverse to rates:

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This is what I was thinking the other day, BTC ascended in 2017 when Dollar declined quite alot from a peak.   Start '17 was a bullish sentiment high for Dollar, 'it can only go up' moment if you get what I mean for that crowd effect.   Dollar fell its most for decades in the start of this year on other hand.   Its come back but still there is doubts.   Right now CNY is falling on this idea of sanctions but imo its the market miscomprehending, USD is benefiting for now.
I think Bitcoin relative to that Dollar doing better in 2018 vs 2017 fall, will not have the tailwind to help gains that it did have in 2017.  So BTC is more challenged, it does seem to relate somehow to this global usage of dollar as BTC is very much internationally useful in its mobility.



Short term I would say BTC looks to be acting bullish and continually trying to challenge resistance above.   Ignoring other views it could just be taken as acting above this support as a base for moves upwards


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July 19, 2018, 10:03:12 PM

what did i saids one year ago ?

its a scam

in thz mentaime gzt 100x - think about it, theymos lose our time I don't

je te la refais en fr :

qu'est bcxe que j'ai dis il ya an ?

que vous<alliez percre te que mou je gangerai... vous êtes vraiment des connards


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CHINA BAN WHEN?  Cheesy Grin Kiss LOLLLL
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July 19, 2018, 10:08:34 PM

We are creeping back up to the resistance line.  I doubt we will make it through if we have another attempt now, but each attempt on a resistance or support line makes that line weaker.  If we break resistance or support in either direction, expect a corresponding jump / crash in price. 

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Can someone tl;dr the post of smartassette? Im too lazy to read it.  Grin
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One of my best friends is also deep in crypto .... I saw his older brother joining crypto late 2017 , he went to all possible crypto conventions , invested very much of his savings , after 2 months later he was educating my friend: telling which shitcoins to buy and knew everything there is to know , today while eating with my friend he told me again his brother and father lost all of their believes in crypto. They didn’t saw there accounts or any news for over 2 months and are not Going to conventions anymore.... So Many noobs getting closely depressed by over investing .... He didn’t sell his holdings but I think its a Guy with No btc but mostly crap alts.... What to say how to help these Guy’s they don’t mean iT bad but Just want to get rich on a few days, weeks maybe months but we all know iT doesn’t work that way :-)
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July 19, 2018, 10:46:08 PM

Sigh... There just isn't enough time in the day to address all these triggers...

Go right ahead, click Ignore/scroll on by. This is a special delivery for our tax-evading merman/pirate Elwar:

You falsely believe that I don't want to share. There's a difference between being extorted and voluntarily sharing.

Extortion is criminal and tax-funded states protect citizens against extortion.

Taxation is legal and as fair as possible by consensus in dozens of countries.

Slavery was perfectly legal for a long time. Doesn't mean it was right.

Again, your reaction to someone not wanting to be extorted is to think they are being greedy. It is more greedy to just want everything taken care of through a system of force instead of coming up with a better system that benefits society without force.

Your ideas are so good that they require the point of the gun for people to cooperate.

Yeah, so every tax day in developed nations around the world, federal tax agents go door to door pointing guns at people's heads. There's riots in the streets. Thousands of delinquents are led to prison in chain-gangs. Everything shuts down, taxes are so onerous.

What world do you live in? The vast majority pay their taxes without coercion. Hell, they even voted for them. Most offenses are negotiable civil penalties and payment plans. Even major tax evasion is usually handled in the courts without bloodshed. What are you, a syndicated crime boss to be so concerned with paying taxes?

Equating "the evils" of taxation to those of slavery is beyond irresponsible. Justified outrage over slavery caused a major fucking civil war in the US, pitting brother against brother. The effects are still rippling through society today. Taxes are a minor annoyance in comparison.

Quote from: Elwar
If you don't want to pay taxes, go ahead and renounce your citizenship, go live on a boat and see how long you survive without state assistance once pirates, typhoons and diseases show up.
I already left the country, working on that "boat"[/url] part.

So you literally want to put glorified houseboats on coral reefs? Of all the inane places to put houseboats, you couldn't pick a more sensitive, fragile ecosystem? Who the hell are your science and engineering advisers?

Tropical sun and saltwater comprise one of the most punishing, corrosive environments in the world. Even the best designed yachts require ridiculous amounts of maintenance, cleaning, and dry dock expenses. How are you managing hull buildups floating directly on the water? Only the poorest of the poor in developing countries live in miserable water villages, and even they aren't stupid enough to float; they stilt! What will people do to combat island fever, stare at the ocean, stare under the ocean, stare at the ocean again? Who are your clients, invalids?

The amount of energy required to maintain a comfortable lifestyle over tropical waters is insane. How are you managing climate control, with outdoor compressors and generators? Where is your fresh water coming from during inevitable dry spells, desalination? I can't imagine solar will be enough to power everything, so are you relying on diesel? There's hardly enough wave or tidal energy behind lagoonal reefs, nevermind the infancy in technology. How are you managing corrosion? Boat transportation involves even more diesel since you won't be tethered to dry land. So right off the bat, your energy supplies are unsustainable.

What about food? Coral reefs are hardly sustainable food sources; they are already on the brink of ecological collapse. You can't grow seaweed in such nutrient-poor waters, you can hardly even grow vegetables or raise goats on impoverished tropical soils. What kind of salt-spray-tolerant trees will you grow on a floating platform, coconut palms? They hardly provide enough shade and are a hazard to everything and everyone below.

So security will be provided by the host country? At what expense? Via taxes and import tariffs? Hahaha. Where's the sovereignty in that?

What about pollution and sanitation? Are you attempting septic wastewater treatment? Over coral reefs? Speechless.

Not a single aspect of your glorified houseboats is sustainable, much less scalable. Not energy, water, food, ecology, maintenance, sanitation, or security. It's an absolute nightmare of a money pit.

If you had put just a tiny bit more thought into this pilot plan of yours, you would have chosen a far more feasible environment with cheap, sustainable resources, like the pacific northwest. Plenty of cloud cover and rain for drinking, comfort, and corrosion control. Sheltered bays. Nutrient-rich waters for sustainable protein and seaweed harvesting. Barely a need for climate control. Minimal risk to the environment from effluent. The potential for wave and tidal energy. Hell, you'd probably even be able to draw from existing land-based hydroelectric power. And tons and tons of excursion opportunities onto continental dry land when you get island fever. You could even raise money providing tours via local tourism. Best of all, you wouldn't have to barge all your building materials and supplies to the middle of the fucking ocean. I bet you could even Amazon Prime.

And what the hell do houseboats have to do with an ICO? Seriously? The biggest red flag boondoggle of all.

You may have accidentally made a lot of money on crypto, but it just goes to show, money cannot buy you brains.

What you promise:

What you'll deliver:

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Whew.

Go Bitcoin Go.


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What if I told you that the reason we don't have to fear pirates is...we are the pirates you fear.

They paint the world full of shadows... and then tell their children to stay close to the light. Their light. Their reasons, their judgments. Because in the darkness, there be dragons. But it isn't true. We can prove that it isn't true. In the dark, there is discovery, there is possibility, there is freedom in the dark once someone has illuminated it.


I usually push seasteading to libertarians because there are far too many environmentalists involved already and I'd rather have neighbors that understand that we don't need to centrally control every aspect of our lives. So I do not want to change your mind on the ridiculousness of seasteads. Just accept that taxes are good. Seasteads are bad. And stay on land. Where you are safe from burglars...terrorists...pirates.
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Can someone tl;dr the post of smartassette? Im too lazy to read it.  Grin

tl;dr: 𝗙𝗹𝗼𝗮𝘁𝗶𝗻𝗴 𝗰𝗶𝘁𝗶𝗲𝘀 𝗮𝘁𝘁𝗮𝗰𝗵𝗲𝗱 𝘁𝗼 𝗰𝗼𝗿𝗮𝗹 𝗿𝗲𝗲𝗳𝘀 𝘄𝗶𝗹𝗹 𝗻𝗲𝘃𝗲𝗿 𝘄𝗼𝗿𝗸. 𝗔𝗹𝘀𝗼, 𝘀𝗮𝗹𝘁 𝘄𝗮𝘁𝗲𝗿 𝗶𝘀 𝘃𝗲𝗿𝘆 𝗯𝗮𝗱 𝗳𝗼𝗿 𝗲𝘃𝗲𝗿𝘆𝘁𝗵𝗶𝗻𝗴.
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Can someone tl;dr the post of smartassette? Im too lazy to read it.  Grin

tl;dr
taxes are ok because majorities support them so fuck minorities

Seasteading sucks because he doesn't understand that in French Polynesia you don't need A/C nor heat because the temperature fluctuates from about 20C to 27C throughout the year. Plenty of sunshine for solar and plenty of rain, humidity, salt water for fresh water. Also...people already live on these islands.

People all freak out that a floating platform in a lagoon cannot exist because "problems". The people already living on the island may beg to differ with all of the reasons that they can't live there.

As for the unlikely scenario of a floating platform being able to exist in a Tahitian lagoon...this is where I spent my Sunday last weekend:


In a Tahitian lagoon
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Can someone tl;dr the post of smartassette? Im too lazy to read it.  Grin

tl;dr: 𝗙𝗹𝗼𝗮𝘁𝗶𝗻𝗴 𝗰𝗶𝘁𝗶𝗲𝘀 𝗮𝘁𝘁𝗮𝗰𝗵𝗲𝗱 𝘁𝗼 𝗰𝗼𝗿𝗮𝗹 𝗿𝗲𝗲𝗳𝘀 𝘄𝗶𝗹𝗹 𝗻𝗲𝘃𝗲𝗿 𝘄𝗼𝗿𝗸. 𝗔𝗹𝘀𝗼, 𝘀𝗮𝗹𝘁 𝘄𝗮𝘁𝗲𝗿 𝗶𝘀 𝘃𝗲𝗿𝘆 𝗯𝗮𝗱 𝗳𝗼𝗿 𝗲𝘃𝗲𝗿𝘆𝘁𝗵𝗶𝗻𝗴.


Thanks.

But if a ship can use a anchor to stay stationary, a city can do the same, using thousand anchors. And you can desalinate the water using graphene.
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