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Its 2012, It takes a week for a letter to get to pretty much any part of the world. How fast can one turn BTC into USD? 2-3 days? With the 10s of thousands that he has sold from 20%-10% off would you wait 2-3 more days for thousands of dollars more? Also is occulta located in the USA?
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Also for others that didnt know you can accept your amazon affiliates payments in either Amazon Gift cards, or as USD with a direct bank transfer.
What about out of country (USA) affiliates? Do you know how they can be paid? International affiliates can be paid with a check or gift cards. Direct deposit is not available for non us banks. |
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Also for others that didnt know you can accept your amazon affiliates payments in either Amazon Gift cards, or as USD with a direct bank transfer.
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I feel that my argument is logically thought out and can lead any rational person to a certain conclusion. Now I am not trying to persuade people to use or not use him, once again I could give a shit where he gets his cards. I am just upset that people absolutely trusted Occult's word and forced a competitor out.NO evidence, not even an argument was presented. All that was said is that how can anyone do 20% off? SCAMMER. That was his entire argument.
Who here would not have loved 20% off amazon all the time?
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And I find it suspicious that you would take 1000$ earned in USD (that could be directly deposited into your bank account +$1000) and turn this into +800$.
Try and find a whole in that argument.
Found it.  The $1000 doesn't come from him. It comes from Amazon and rather than buy amazon products, he wants to buy a Slushy at the 7/11. I didnt catch the black hole refrence but if your not joking and dont understand let me simplify. Occulta earns $1000 through amazon affiliates(You can consider this a job) He could take this money and put it into his bank account. This would result in + $1000. Instead he decides to be given his $1000 in amazon affiliate credit as a gift card. He then sells this gift card for $800. His bank now would have +800 $1000-$800= $200 more that he could have had, if he had just taken the direct deposit. Newdude earns $1000 through buying and reselling Ipads. He could take this money and put it into his bank account. This would result in + $1000. Instead he decides to take his $1000 and buy gift cards. He then sells these gift cards for $800. His bank now would have +800 $1000-$800= $200 more that he could have had, if he had just left that money in the bank. |
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I am not saying anyone will have problems with his cards.I purchased a $500 one a month or so back and have had zero issues. Here is my problem:
A new seller enters the market and offers cards at 20% off face value(which is exactly where Occulta started). A current seller who just happens to sell the same product at a lesser discount immediately claims the new person is scamming. What does he provide as evidence? Nothing, his entire argument rests on the premise that selling at such a discount is irrational. No one, not even the mighty occulta, knows the financial and social factors at play with this new seller. What appears to most as irrational could in fact be 100% rational and legitimate.
My main question to Occulta is why is his 20% so irrational when you started at this discount and now sell at 10%? There is 0 proof that newdude is scamming. There have been ZERO issues with newdudes cards, in fact there have been ZERO issues with Occultas cards. Why is there some lynch mob after newdude? It appears Occulta is just anti free market and hates the competition so he is throwing out accusations that are unfounded and frankly just lies.
If you are going to jump on the "carding" train, lets see who is really lying about how they get their amazon gift cards.
1) Amazon pays in lump sums once a month. Occulta conservatively sells 30-40 cards a month. So each card MUST be from a separate website.
2) In order to become an amazon affiliate and receive money from them you must provide your TAX ID #. So every dollar that Occulta is getting is being reported from amazon as paid to him. This means that it is being taxed the normal federal and state taxes. Then he comes on here and sells for an additional 10% off. He is essentially raising his tax rate on his alleged affiliate income by 10%, you want to talk about irrational behavior? If he wanted bitcoins he could take the direct deposit(which is offered on ALL amazon affiliate payments) and go through dwolla and mtgox which would save him more than 9%.
To me the person who is actually "carding" is rather obvious.
There have been ZERO issues with newdudes cards, in fact there have been ZERO issues with Occultas cards. Why is there some lynch mob after newdude? Kids from different play grounds often don't get along. OR Obviously they don't like competition. As far as the 'legitimacy' questions, Why not look into how McDonald's gets to sell at a discount? Cause you don't care but accept the discount. If there is a 'plausible' legitimate way for it to be done, it isn't the buyers responsibility to verify the validity of how or why. That is left up to other people who's job it is. Now, if he were selling for 50% to 80% off, then you might have a point. But even then, it could be getting rid of inventory before going out of business. Again, it's not the buyers job to determine motives. But if 'What Ifs' are what you are looking for, then the list is a mile long. What if: it is a program like the ATF selling guns (LOL), and he/they will be horribly embarrassed when it turns out to back fire on them. What If: ∞ So in the end, It comes down to, is it a good and reasonable deal on the face of it? If you like it, buy it. If you don't, don't. This is essentially my entire argument. No one cares where the cards came from. Occulta didnt want the competition so he forced a competitor out of the market by lying. Bitcoin is suppose to be the essence of a free market. This was anything but. Essentially you had a monopoly that didn't like the competition so he used his reputation to smear the new seller and force him out. |
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And I find it suspicious that you would take 1000$ earned in USD (that could be directly deposited into your bank account +$1000) and turn this into +800$.
Try and find a whole in that argument.
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They are 100% the same here is why:
You earn $1000 from your supposed amazon affiliates account. You then take this 1000$ in USD and convert it into Amazon gift cards. You sell it at a 20% discount you get $800/$1000.
Newdude earns $1000 from selling Ipads.He then converts it into $1000 in amazon gift cards. He sells it at a 20% discount he gets 800/1000.
You are both taking 1000$ earned and turning it into 800$.
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Someone PM'ed me linking me to this thread, i will probably read it in more detail tomorrow but for now i cant be bothered to give a real lengthy reply to these claims. All i want to say is this user must be: gamer4156 Newdude BTC guy purely based on the latest replies in this thread https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=74747.0;allseems he is angry and trying to tarnish me here  --------- gamer4156 if you are not newdude, you have gone off on a crazy tangent here. He is selling cards at -20% profit, originally here i sold (and still do sell with large buys) at +80% profit. I do own many high traffic websites, but this really isnt any of your business, or anything to do with people being scammed on this forum First of all I called it, that someone would assume I am him since I stood up for him. But exactly it is NOT my business to know where you get your cards. No one asked you when you first started. But why did a new seller have to prove where his cards came from? If he was in fact scamming he would have been weeded out like all the rest, thats what the market does. He was not given a chance, because you automatically called him a scammer with no proof and people took your word for it. It is not a couple websites you own but 40+. If you are able to do this all the power to you, but using your argument one comes to the same conclusion about you as newdude. |
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sure, that is unfair but it's just his opinion and I'm sure newdude can defend himself. I have to be honest though, after reading through that thread, I would never do business with newdude - and it's not because of occulta calling scam, it's his reaction that I don't like. The fact that he is withholding paying a debt because of the harsh reception he recieved at this forum makes me question his character even more.
The big thing for me is that I can verify occulta has had successful transactions over on otc but I can't with newdude.
Also, can you explain to me something: Are you calling occulta's deals to good to be true?
His opinion was taken as fact, no one gave newdude a chance to build rep. If you look at the orginial thread you will see 10 minutes after he posted he was called a scammer(I dont know if the timestamp is from edits or what so take this with a grain of salt) But still the FIRST post in this thread was from occulta accusing him. Now occulta does have great rep and has done tons of transactions, but why did everyone take his opinion as an absolute? I do agree with you, I dont like the way he dealt with the situation. I would have loved for him to stay and give us amazon codes for 20% off. Some people can take criticism better than others. I am not saying whether his deal is to good to be true, I do not know all the economic and social factors that allow him to sell at this rate. All I am saying is that if he gets his money from amazon affiliates(and is being taxed on it) to turn around and sell it for 10% off makes 0 sense to me. If we follow Occulta's reasoning then yes Occulta must in fact be "carding" like newdude. |
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I want codes so after thinking about it i decided to call him. He sounds just as lovely on the phone as he does in the forum. I told him it was BTC guy and i was looking for codes. He was quick to say he doesnt mess with this forum no more and he hung up. I sent him a text saying fuck the forum i want codes. He responded saying he will sell me a $1000 code for $700 and i have to go first. He had told me in PM he will go first since i have rep. Now he says i go first or no sale. After hearing him speak i would not bet he will come back or repay haploid.
Would you want anything to do with these forums after what people have said and done? He tried to bring a legitimate business and was chased away by a jealous competitor. I do hope he does payback what he owes. |
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hey gamer, has newdude paid back the 600 dollars he owes to a member yet?
and why have you chosen this particular issue for a crusade?
No he has not, and if he decides not to, then YES he is a scammer.He entered into a contractual agreement for a trade, if he doesn't follow through on his end that is scamming. I am arguing that what he is doing is no different that Occulta. My crusade is against the ignorance of people. When Occulta showed up at 20% no one accused him of being a scammer, and we all just started buying for 20% off. No questions asked. A new seller shows up and a witch hunt lead by his COMPETITOR ensues. How do people not see the conflict of interest. If newdude was infact scamming why were no customers complaining. Read the thread and notice how adamantly occulta is trying to get him banned so he has no customers. Occulta is in NO WAY a scammer. I have personally done THOUSANDS of $$$ in purchases with him.
I am not saying that he is scamming cards, and that they are by any means fake. All I am saying is that the means to which he gets them is not how he says. But newdudes cards were not fake either and everyone called him a scammer, and chased him from the boards. He was going to sell at 20% off all the time. I just find it funny that a competitor is the one who lead the witch hunt. |
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have to log in to use your link.
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I am not saying anyone will have problems with his cards.I purchased a $500 one a month or so back and have had zero issues. Here is my problem:
A new seller enters the market and offers cards at 20% off face value(which is exactly where Occulta started). A current seller who just happens to sell the same product at a lesser discount immediately claims the new person is scamming. What does he provide as evidence? Nothing, his entire argument rests on the premise that selling at such a discount is irrational. No one, not even the mighty occulta, knows the financial and social factors at play with this new seller. What appears to most as irrational could in fact be 100% rational and legitimate.
My main question to Occulta is why is his 20% so irrational when you started at this discount and now sell at 10%? There is 0 proof that newdude is scamming. There have been ZERO issues with newdudes cards, in fact there have been ZERO issues with Occultas cards. Why is there some lynch mob after newdude? It appears Occulta is just anti free market and hates the competition so he is throwing out accusations that are unfounded and frankly just lies.
If you are going to jump on the "carding" train, lets see who is really lying about how they get their amazon gift cards.
1) Amazon pays in lump sums once a month. Occulta conservatively sells 30-40 cards a month. So each card MUST be from a separate website.
2) In order to become an amazon affiliate and receive money from them you must provide your TAX ID #. So every dollar that Occulta is getting is being reported from amazon as paid to him. This means that it is being taxed the normal federal and state taxes. Then he comes on here and sells for an additional 10% off. He is essentially raising his tax rate on his alleged affiliate income by 10%, you want to talk about irrational behavior? If he wanted bitcoins he could take the direct deposit(which is offered on ALL amazon affiliate payments) and go through dwolla and mtgox which would save him more than 9%.
To me the person who is actually "carding" is rather obvious.
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I talked to newdude on the phone for about an hour yesterday, and he has full intentions of paying you back. He is just upset because he comes here with a service that everyone makes money on and People just jumped on the "scammer" bandwagon with zero proof, that would tick me off as well.
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Net 60 means they pay you for the past 2 months. So if he is receiving 40ish cards a month, he has to be running 40 websites. Maybe he is. I bring up the bank deposit because he is crying when another member offers a 20% discount and automatically screams scammer. So if he has the ability to get 100% of his money, where is the incentive to sell here at 10% off? If he wants bitcoins he could just take the direct deposit and go the route of dwolla-->mtgox and take the .5% fee with the $.25 for dwolla.
Plus in order to set up a amazon affiliate program you have to provide a TAX id #. This means that the money he is getting is taxed as income and he is taking a 10% hit by selling it here. I may have a BS in Bio but this doesn't sound like a good business practice.
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1) Amazon Affiliates pays a net 60, at the end of the month. So why does Occulta receive multiple gift cards when he should be receiving a lump sum?
2) They pay out in multiple forms. One form is a direct bank deposit. This method would result in 100% less a $15 fee. So why is he selling for a 10% discount?
3) Has he provided proof of the alleged website he owns that generates 1000's a month in affilate commissions?
If this is the wrong place for this thread please move.
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I live in CO and played at a couple different fields back in the day.
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They didnt say that it was 100% fraudulent. All they said is that they have presented this information to the appropriate figures. Now if people start showing up saying they are in trouble with purchased codes, then yes lock this shit down. But we still havent seen 1 person actually provide proof that the codes are bad. Not paying that guy back is an entirely different matter.
Edit: The fact that you are the number one person screaming for a ban and he is your competition does not look good. To me it seems like you are just mad that he is here. Also if we want to get into this whole legitimacy question, have you ever proved yours? Why would someone take 10% off of money earned for an "affiliate program", when you can have 100% in a direct deposit. So you must be up to something as well. Either tax evasion or you are in fact getting yours illegitimately.
Edit: Last edit before someone puts 2 and 2 together.
New Dude= BTC Guy= Gamer4156
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