#1 RATINGS and REVIEWS of SPORTS BOOKS thread. Poster input appreciated.

[Gogo ppp]

SBObitcoin opens at "A"

SBObitcoin has been in business for six months with bitcoin accounts and seven years overall. SBObitcoin states that they are one of the products of Ole Group Philippines Inc., and are licensed and regulated by the Government of the Philippines under First Cagayan Resort & Leisure Corporation.

There have been no reports of payout problems with SBObitcoin.

"SBObitcoin has been in business for six months with bitcoin accounts and seven years overall."

How did you confirm the "six months" and especially the "seven years overall"?
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"SBObitcoin states that they are one of the products of Ole Group Philippines Inc."

What is the Ole Group Philippines Inc. and why does this give credibility?
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"and regulated by the Government of the Philippines..."

Did you confirm this?

And if true, does the Government regulation mean anything realisitically? We all know how meaningless "Government regulation" of all offshore sportsbooks has been thus far, regardless of location.
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" under First Cagayan Resort & Leisure Corporation."

What is  First Cagayan Resort & Leisure Corporation, and why does this give credibility?
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Hopefully you investigated further than simply reprinting their own pr.

 I'd suggest you do your own research about the laws in jurisdictions outside of Costa Rica. Then look at the licenses that Pinnacle Sports and SBOBET hold. I'm very surprised that you have never heard of the First Cagayan Resort & Leisure Corporation.

Thanks for the non-answer to some simple questions.

It's evident that you simply reprinted their own on-site pr without investigating any of it.

You have made so many ill informed statements, I don't even know where to start. Ask a civilized question and I'll answer it but I'm not going to argue.

Of my 7 sentences, only one was a statement. For the other  6 sentences, I simply questioned whether you had uncritically copied the info from sbobit.com's website, or if you had verified the info you copied. And why the associations stated give credibility.

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[waylon james]

Gogo seems upset someone is trying to organize a credible rating system.

[Gogo ppp]

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[Rating Place]

There have been complaints of small limits with Nitrogen Sports. Since the limits are based upon individual accounts it would be appreciated if some could share their limits.

[info@anonibet.com]

Hi,

Anonibet does NOT apply individual account limits.

We have limits that can vary according to the league, match and odds. That means in some cases our customers can bet 10 BTC on a single event and in other cases their bet can be limited to 3 BTC according to the league, match and odds of the bet.

Regards,
Michael

[Gogo ppp]

Gogo seems upset someone is trying to organize a credible rating system.

Not at all.

I'd like to make sure it's being done responsibly. Part of that would be to verify claims when they are made and not simply reprinting information posted on a website, which is what Peeps Place is doing.


Re: sbobitcoin.com:

First Cagayan apparently does the licensing of gambling operators in a section of the Philippines.

They list as one of their licensed operators OLE GROUP INTERNATIONAL LIMITED / OLE GROUP PHILIPPINES INC.

Ole Group lists one email address for contact. I sent them an email to simply ask the following:


1) Is sbobitcoin.com part of your company (OLE GROUP INTERNATIONAL LTD), as they advertise?

I2) If so, does this mean that sbobitcoin.com is under the licensing of the First Cagayan Leisure and Resort Corporation?

3) Should I use sbobitcoin.com as agents and for any reason they should go out of business, disappear, go bankrupt, be slow in allowing withdrawals of deposited funds, etc. - will OLE GROUP INTERNATIONAL LTD stand behind them and make good on any financial problems such as described?


The email delivery immediately failed:

"Delivery has failed to these recipients or groups:

enquiries@oleintl.com (enquiries@oleintl.com)
Your message can't be delivered because delivery to this address is restricted."


There is no other email address listed on the site and no phone number listed anywhere on the site.


Ole Group's website lists "Featured Affiliate Link" to  7Bet-Sports.com and 7Bet-Agents.com.
Those are the only 2 listings. There is no mention of sbobitcoin.com.
Perhaps sbobitcoin.com is an affiliated sub-agent or a branch of this company (although there is no mention of them on either website).

I've made 3 email attempts to reach 7Bet asking whether sbobitcoin.com is affiliated with their company.

I've received no response.

There is only one email address listed and no phone number listed.

[Jcw188]

Gogo seems to be making some decent points.  I don't know anything about him or his motiviation.  However he's correct that you don't want to just parrot what gets said by the actual site as opposed to doing research and making sure the site is telling the truth.

[Gogo ppp]

There are a number of obvious red flags here:

1) Ole Group, a gambling licensee, is unreachable.
A legitimate licensee would have a way to reach them.
Having a website with no phone number and a "restricted" email (i.e., useless email) is not a good sign.

Suffice to say, in case of a conflict with sbobitcoin.com - or with Ole Group themselves - there is no way to reach them.

2) Sbobitcoin.com is not listed on Ole Group's website. Why not?

3) The "Featured Affiliate" who they do list, 7Bet, does not respond to email. It has now been several days since I first tried.
Also, if sbobitcoin.com is an affiliate of this affiliate, why are they not listed on the 2 7Bet websites?


As far as this thread goes, this group is listed as an "A" book, yet Peeps Place clearly did no due diligence, or he would've found what I did.

Apparently he used them once, got paid, and then simply did a copy and paste of the info on their website.

[Rating Place]

SBObitcoin.com opens at an “A” rating surpassing Bitbook as the top rated place to play using bitcoins. SBObitcoin is an agent of the top sports books in the world in PinnacleSports, SBOBET and IBCBET. Players deposit bitcoins with SBObitcoin and they are then exchanged for your choice of Hong Kong dollars or Singapore dollars. The Asian dollars are then deposited into the sports book. The exchange rate of your deposits and withdraws will stay the same and not fluctuate. It takes 3-5 minutes for withdraws and six confirmations are needed for deposits. Live chat is open 24/7.

SBObitcoin has been in business for six months with bitcoin accounts and seven years overall. SBObitcoin states that they are one of the products of Ole Group Philippines Inc., and are licensed and regulated by the Government of the Philippines under First Cagayan Resort & Leisure Corporation.

There have been no reports of payout problems with SBObitcoin. Both Pinnacle Sports and SBOBET are top rated sports books in the world taking the highest wagers. Pinnacle takes the largest wagers on American sports while SBOBET takes the largest wagers in soccer. The book hold at Pinnacle is the lowest in the industry and SBOBET is not far behind.

I agree that SBObitcoin is unique in that it is an agent. Because SBObitcoin has been so prevalent on the forums without any negative criticisms coming from either PinnacleSports or SBOBET, it leads one to believe that the ties are very strong. There are players that cannot play with the above mentioned books unless using bitcoins. SBObitcoin is a gateway using an exchange to allow players to play at PinnacleSports, SBOBET and IBCBET.

[Rating Place]

As explained in the review for SBOBitcoin, they are an agent that is closely tied with SBOBET. All the licensing information for SBOBET and PinnacleSports is available. As with any agent, as well as most pure Bitcoin books, they want to give out as little as possible. We do our homework. Gogo couldn't be more wrong with his assertions.

[Rating Place]

As you will notice in my quote, I said that SBOBitcoin "states". This means that those are their words.

SBObitcoin states that they are one of the products of Ole Group Philippines Inc., and are licensed and regulated by the Government of the Philippines under First Cagayan Resort & Leisure Corporation.

This is the reason why I didn't want to get into it with Gogo. Most of what he says is untrue including licensing laws and requirements.

[nscala1]

Gogo seems to be making some decent points.  I don't know anything about him or his motiviation.  However he's correct that you don't want to just parrot what gets said by the actual site as opposed to doing research and making sure the site is telling the truth.

Seems as if Gogo is making quality points. There is no point of writing information on here unless it is validated. If we wanted to read what the site is saying we could just see that directly on the site. This thread should only be for accurate and confirmed information. Having unconfirmed information on this thread can only be misleading for people trying to find a book.

[Rating Place]

Gogo seems to be making some decent points.  I don't know anything about him or his motiviation.  However he's correct that you don't want to just parrot what gets said by the actual site as opposed to doing research and making sure the site is telling the truth.

Seems as if Gogo is making quality points. There is no point of writing information on here unless it is validated. If we wanted to read what the site is saying we could just see that directly on the site. This thread should only be for accurate and confirmed information. Having unconfirmed information on this thread can only be misleading for people trying to find a book.

Once again, when you say "states", that means that you are quoting their words. What is misleading? Their ties are close to SBOBET and they have all of the qualifications. Gogo is confusing everyone since he is misquoting my statements.

Many of these BitCoin books are one and two man shops. Poster feedback and payment information is the best criteria for ratings. Of the 6 books that we promote on our forum with banners, SBOBitcoin isn't one of them.

[Gogo ppp]

As explained in the review for SBOBitcoin, they are an agent that is closely tied with SBOBET. All the licensing information for SBOBET and PinnacleSports is available. As with any agent, as well as most pure Bitcoin books, they want to give out as little as possible. We do our homework. Gogo couldn't be more wrong with his assertions.

"All the licensing information for SBOBET and PinnacleSports is available."

I have no fears of SBOBET or Pinnacle stiffing a customer. But I would not be depositing my money directly with either book.
I do have fears of someone I don't know holding my money.
That increases when they state connections with other companies, and it's impossible to verify, and the other companies they state they have ties with are sketchy themselves.

"As with any agent, as well as most pure Bitcoin books, they want to give out as little as possible."

I wasn't trying to verify anything they had not stated themselves. I was not trying to have them give out anything.

"We do our homework."

Obviously you've done none.


"Gogo couldn't be more wrong with his assertions."

The only thing I've asserted is that thus far there are several red flags.

Rather than answer any of the issues I've raised, you double talk and/or try to change the subject.

As I asked in my first post about them - can you verify their ties to these companies?
If they are tied to these companies, why aren't they mentioned on their websites?

[Rating Place]

Future upgrade and downgrades of ratings will be in the hands of the posters.

[Rating Place]

As explained in the review for SBOBitcoin, they are an agent that is closely tied with SBOBET. All the licensing information for SBOBET and PinnacleSports is available. As with any agent, as well as most pure Bitcoin books, they want to give out as little as possible. We do our homework. Gogo couldn't be more wrong with his assertions.

"All the licensing information for SBOBET and PinnacleSports is available."

I have no fears of SBOBET or Pinnacle stiffing a customer. But I would not be depositing my money directly with either book.
I do have fears of someone I don't know holding my money.
That increases when they state connections with other companies, and it's impossible to verify, and the other companies they state they have ties with are sketchy themselves.

"As with any agent, as well as most pure Bitcoin books, they want to give out as little as possible."

I wasn't trying to verify anything they had not stated themselves. I was not trying to have them give out anything.

"We do our homework."

Obviously you've done none.


"Gogo couldn't be more wrong with his assertions."

The only thing I've asserted is that thus far there are several red flags.

Rather than answer any of the issues I've raised, you double talk and/or try to change the subject.

As I asked in my first post about them - can you verify their ties to these companies?
If they are tied to these companies, why aren't they mentioned on their websites?

Of course you cannot verify any agent or pure bitcoin book. If you read my review I said because SBOBitcoin is so prevalent on the forums without backlash from either PinnacleSports or SBOBET, it leads one to believe that the ties are close. My opinion was stated. The ratings will now be changed upon opinions of those playing with the books.

[Gogo ppp]

Peeps Place - "Because SBObitcoin has been so prevalent on the forums without any negative criticisms coming from either PinnacleSports or SBOBET..."

It's conceivable that PinnacleSports and/or SBOBET may not know of the existence of sbobitcoin.com.
Sbobitcoin.com does have the ability to establish accounts at those books.
However, this could be because one agent is allowing them to be a sub-agent.
There is one well known case in Las Vegas of a "super agent" making someone a sub-agent and the sub-agent developed a large following and then stiffed all.



"...without any negative criticisms coming from either PinnacleSports or SBOBET.."

They've been in business a few months.
Also, you have no idea what Pinnacle or SBO thinks of them or even knows they exist.

Once again -

As I asked in my first post about them - can you verify their ties to these companies?
If they are tied to these companies, why aren't they mentioned on their websites?

[Rating Place]

If someone has a negative experience with SBOBitcoin as far as a payout or grading issue, then we will try to validate the complaint.

[Rating Place]

Gogo- All the Bitcoin books are new. There is very little regulation if any. A rating is just an opinion that will be changed by fact and opinions of others.

[Gogo ppp]

If someone has a negative experience with SBOBitcoin as far as a payout or grading issue, then we will try to validate the complaint.

A responsible list of the books would attempt due diligence BEFORE there is a problem, not after.
This is something you refuse to do, and instead keep attempting to obfuscate.