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String : 24,77:rHpKPmLUFOiv194G5lMD Congratulations to poster #24 (25th reply) and #77(78th reply) ! 25th reply steveabrahams - 3LwqVeccMzACQeqsAJ76zgv9b1QDRfzeDA (Payment sent : afc363160d51e5bdb2b30bd129eebce7fb6b0a98ada36205b1bfab0eb1818dd8 ) 78th reply Coin-1 - 16gBAiUcJiYuDbgDzoYRcKS1RpLx7pcEs2 (Payment sent : eb7db6a7f4b4c4bfef9fcfa2ae4c620ca1309a3269fbd5635b2a8446f0da61d8) |
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-> We've also got an ongoing $100 BTC Twitter giveaway : https://twitter.com/heat2 Winners, $25 Bitcoin eachHow to participatePost below with the following: - Your Bitcoin address - Do you view gambling as a source of entertainment? EntryYour post count is your entry number. First poster is #1, and so forth. If a user who violates the rules is one of the winners, their entry +1 will be used instead (the adjacent poster after) RulesMust already have at least 100 posts Only 1 post per 24 hoursProvably Fair MethodologyThe string to the SHA256 hash below contains every winning entry. We will reveal it once this thread reaches 100 replies (100 max entries) and the winners will all be paid out. D346AED2011534F9442336F27A415867EEFA1D11EAF0762CBA803609EB01ADAE |
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If heat.gg is not making a provably fair one (they literally stated themselves) then there is no point on playing there, it all comes down to trusting the website and why would I, I wouldn't mind playing there with provably fair games, I have nothing against anyone in the crypto world but if it is not provably fair then I am not going to really risk it.
Also, you are definitely right if there was a way to provide hash myself I wouldn't play there neither because it is way too much work to put for just a simple RPS game, if there is a way to make RPS provably fair without too much work (basically just clicking) then I would love to play there, if there is nothing well I am not playing RPS right now so I would just continue to do that until someone figures it out.
I'd rather refrain from advertising the site on devans thread, however we do have two other modes (Jackpot & Coinflip) Which are 100% Provably fair with unmined hashes from EOS blocks determining the winner. There's a lot of complications when designing a provably fair system for RPS that's both user friendly and safe. Like I said above, there's a way to do it however it introduces a huge window for user error and user experience is thrown out, as well as the additional learning curve of the play-style. You can make RPS provably fair if it were house based i.e house creates games, however I feel this also takes away the unique feel of it as RPS traditionally is more known for not being a game of complete sheer randomness, and there's some minor strategies you can employ such as getting in your opponents head, conversely you could just randomly generate your choice. Playing against the house basically just turns it into any other dice game / coinflip, where the outcome is you either double your money, draw, or break even. |
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RPS is very easy to make provably fair. In fact I do it all the time. Here's a good example of me playing in a provably fair way (for both of us) just using this forum: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1588904.0 and includes a lot of explanation of how it works I didn't know RPS could be provably fair, that makes things a lot easier to add in a game. I would really love to make a website with provably fair RPS in it, you wouldn't need any bankroll at all, just make people gamble against each other in a provably fair method and you would make money from rake instead of spending any money yourself. However, there would be development+design+marketing costs and as a person who has less than 5k dollars in bank account all I can offer would be cheap third world development+design and wouldn't be a good job done for that amount of money and on top of that I wouldn't have enough to market it. People think when you can code a casino the job is done, that is literally just step one of creating a website bustabit didn't became bustabit in one day. We've actually got a RPS mode on our site releasing soon. However we're still considering the best way to approach it, as it's only truly Provably fair for the joiner, not the creator. In theory the casino could still know what side to chose if someone were to make a game, the only way to combat this is having the user submit the hash themselves. So you're sacrificing user experience and introducing a lot of human error into the mix, versus just having a warning that states it's only provably fair for the joiner, not the creator of the game. |
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I'd really like to stress this since a few users seem confused:
It's 1 post per 24 hours.
If you posted more then once per 24 hours, you're automatically disqualified from winning and the person after you will win instead (provided they followed the rules)
It's not 1 per day, or per 12 hours.
Thanks. Does this mean that I and wwzsocki disqualified because we posted some offtopic messages yesterday? Hope it isn't so  upd. Can somebody win more than 1 prize? If you posted more then the rules state (1 per 24 hours) then yes. To answer your second question, yes someone can win more then once if they're the winning post multiple times |
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I'd really like to stress this since a few users seem confused:
It's 1 post per 24 hours.
If you posted more then once per 24 hours, you're automatically disqualified from winning and the person after you will win instead (provided they followed the rules)
It's not 1 per day, or per 12 hours.
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...React to the message in #giveaways to enter...
I don't see any #giveaways to enter. All I can see is the VERIFICATION server, GiveawayBot, and AntiSpamBot. Where to apply? Please be more specific use screens to show how to do it.  Even when I try to message the GiveawayBot using the command "!ghelp", I got a response with an error message. 
After a while, I found that after registration to the Heat.GG server I have to go the server avatar, right-click on it, choose PRIVACY tab and click again, to be able to see this setting:  So now I can see and write messages to bots and other server members but still haven't found this giveaway  I think you should add such information in your first post for members who are not so familiar with Discord. It would save a lot of time an nerves.  I am waiting for your help OP because I did all I could and still haven't found this giveaway  . Sorry for the confusion. Please change your Discord privacy settings to allow messages from server members. Then leave and rejoin our server. You'll now get a DM from the Antispam bot, with a captcha to fill out. Then you'll be auto approved and able to join the giveaway by reacting to the message in #Giveaways Hope this cleared it up! Let me know any further questions |
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https://discord.gg/UAZJNQeWe're doing a $50 Bitcoin giveaway in our server! Two winners ($25 Each) React to the message in #giveaways to enter We'll be giving away a lot more as we approach the launch of our site.
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Introduction :
Recently a lot of new Player vs Player sites have been opening up in the Bitcoin gambling scene.
Which is great, I've personally been a huge advocate for PvP to come into popularity with Bitcoin gambling, however it's still important to be cautious.
Many sites claim to have a provably fair system, when in fact they don't. Provably fair implies the user's bets are backed by math, not the casinos word to be fair.
Problem :
We'll start with a very basic coinflip between two users example.
False provable fairness PvP :
> User Satoshi creates his game for 1BTC
> Server displays hash beneath the users game which contains {Winner,RandomString}
> User Nakamoto joins the game for 1BTC
> Server reveals RandomString + Winner
Everything may seem to check out here, the hash was displayed at the start meaning it can't be manipulated, right?
Correct, however it's not manipulation that's the point of failure here, it's the casinos knowledge.
The casino generated the winner themselves, meaning in theory they could know if the game Satoshi created would be a win for whoever joined, or a loss.
The casino could also generate their own name under a different pseudonym, and create one in which is a win for themselves while still providing the hash in the beginning.
Solution :
External source of random of which is determined beforehand but not known by the user or the casino.
For sake of simplicity, I'll illustrate an easy way to implement this.
>User Satoshi creates his game for 1BTC
>User Nakamoto joins the game for 1BTC
>Server gets the current highest bitcoin block + 1 and displays this block to both users to verify its unmined
>Once the block is mined, the server uses the binary of the blocks hash to determine the winnner (i.e 0 = Heads 1 = Tails)
This ensures several things :
1. Transparent and verifiable still by both parties
2. Impossible for casino to manipulate results
3. Predetermined games with still and unknown result by both the player and casino
This may seem very trivial and obvious to a lot of you, however I've seen far too many people confusing fancy hashing and the term
provably fair being thrown around, when in fact the PvP site is not provably fair and essentially has a useless system in place for it.
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I've gone ahead and read into your provably fair methodology.
There's a problem here which immediately stands out to me, you're not using an external source of randomness to pull the results.
Ontop of an external random source, it needs to be unknown untill both players are in the match as well, and verifiable beforehand that it wasn't changed.
Like I said earlier this can be accomplished by either using random.org's ticket API OR using something such as the hash of an unmined bitcoin block.
The reason you generating a random winner and hashing it with a salt beforehand and displaying the hash to the user, isn't random, is due to the fact the house could know who wins in this case.
Ontop of the house being able to know who the winner or loser is, they can purposely make games under their own accounts as well in which are wins for them and still seem "provably fair"
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Few pointers that are purely objective,
If you're doing PvP you need a viable provably fair system in place with an external source of random.
This can be accomplished by drawing the winners either from random.org tickets, or unmined bitcoin / a different blockchains block.
You'd have to show proof of using X random source when a player joins, i.e creating a random.org ticket beforehand or using a chosen unmined block's hash to draw the result.
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There's a few things here that stick out to me I'd like to address.
JackBit.io seems to claim provable fairness, but after a further chat with the owner it seems otherwise. Typically using an onsite source of random wouldn't be an issue with traditional Provably fair methodology.
However, since they're mainly based off Player vs player, this creates a unique case.
In theory they are able to know the outcome of a game a player creates, and join if it results in a win for them.
In order to be truly provably fair as a PvP casino, Jackbit needs to be using an external source of random which can't be manipulated by the house.
Ontop of this it needs to be transparent and verifiable on that external source to determine the outcome for any player.
Why don't you show the whole correspondence? https://imgur.com/a/IsuGCaRYou wrote that this is only possible in theory, also we have no reason to do it, In the message below I wrote to you that we will use external source (Random.org API) or other RNG verifier. Yes, so why should the players trust your word? When they can trust math instead and verify themselves? You're asking players to trust that you won't do that and join winning games, instead of like a typical provably fair casino which uses math to back it up. |
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There's a few things here that stick out to me I'd like to address.
JackBit.io seems to claim provable fairness, but after a further chat with the owner it seems otherwise.Typically using an onsite source of random wouldn't be an issue with traditional Provably fair methodology.
However, since they're mainly based off Player vs player, this creates a unique case.
In theory they are able to know the outcome of a game a player creates, and join if it results in a win for them.
In order to be truly provably fair as a PvP casino, Jackbit needs to be using an external source of random which can't be manipulated by the house.
Ontop of this it needs to be transparent and verifiable on that external source to determine the outcome for any player.
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-> We've also got an ongoing Twitter giveaway : https://twitter.com/Heat_GG/status/11842057149165527055 Winners, $20 Bitcoin eachHow to participatePost below with the following: - Your Bitcoin address - What does provable fairness mean to you? EntryYour post count is your entry number. First poster is #1, and so forth. If a user who violates the rules is one of the winners, his entry +1 will be used instead (the adjacent poster after) RulesMust already have at least 100 posts Only 1 post per 24 hours Provably Fair MethodologyThe string to the SHA256 hash below contains every winning entry. We will reveal it once this thread reaches 100 replies (100 max entries) and the winners will all be paid out. 354E12CF2A9DACEEDE03B49616B6A6C4193C0171573F4E7CF918157121B48DDE WinnersString to the hash : [Winning entries : 37,43,48,10,92] Thank you for participating! Winner (Reply #38) https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=994309Winner (Reply #44) https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=134382Winner (Reply #49 +1) https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=994309 (Should've been 'wwzsocki' however he violated the 1 per 24 hour rules, so poster after him won) Winner (Reply #11) https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=959294Winner (Reply #93) https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=732010Payments sent : Poster #38 - https://www.blockchain.com/btc/tx/d504771227d7ae1d292bc26b4fd0f3acd0929269ddd70c6184594129032d45e7Poster #44 - Pending BTC Address (Ineligible for payment after 24 hours, was supposed to include address in post) Poster #50 - https://www.blockchain.com/btc/tx/ad135df5a3a57e2b8d465557e13e115a12aed6773778a21779176a83a83820efPoster #11 - https://www.blockchain.com/btc/tx/d36204d970927db6940c3ed6c240fcbd51b14c51630991c351ceae83d606f06bPoster #93 - https://www.blockchain.com/btc/tx/00bc17657351fe983744b990a04cc54ec4a2bc4a8dd1145cca8e8849555d0ffd |
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Hi! What news? Good luck to all.
No news! OP is last active since March 12,2019 and the site shows this one. - The launching of his site has been taking so long. Introduced last year and up until now, you can't get a glimpse of it. I hope the team has added some new games aside from those 2 mentioned. Hey, we're actively working on the site still and launching very soon. Completely redone back-end and front end which is why the delay took so long. We want to make sure the site is up to the community standards, as well as our own internally. Thanks! |
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It is great to hear you guys coming back, I hope you will have a long and lasting business with this that will eventually enable us to play pvp games all the time, not just one or two but eventually reach to hundreds of games we can play against each other.
Do not really worry about the time because ETA is as important as your marketing budget, you can be gone for years and as soon as you return back and give people some money to play (as in faucet) or signature campaigns or marketing in a different way and spend money to be on public's eye again, all of those people who left will comeback and some more.
Hence, ETA could be years and you will still be fine, do not try to rush these things since rushing and making a half product is worse than slow but steady development. Slow could be fixed with marketing but half product can't. Which we can clearly see you already know since you are taking your time and doing best you can.
That's the goal. At launch we'll have 3 game-modes : - Jackpot - Coinflip - Rock Paper Scissors I'm currently testing the waters for other PVP game modes, however these seem to be what most are familiar with, and relatively non linguistic . Will keep everyone updated when we're ready for official launch. Suggestions are always welcome and appreciated! |
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https://discord.gg/pWvQcxb3 Winners React to the message in #giveaway to enter! 30,000 Bits is being given away / 0.03 BTC We do daily + weekly giveaways often. For some reason the invite's not adding me to the channel - is this something anyone else is facing?Nevermind, I got in, react made. ID : legendster#1960 Glad you didn't run into any issues. I'll do much more closer to launch |
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https://discord.gg/pWvQcxb3 Winners React to the message in #giveaway to enter! 30,000 Bits is being given away / 0.03 BTC We do daily + weekly giveaways often.
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(CLOSED REPLY)
Thread has been closed.
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Is there a certainty that it will come back ? The last message seems a bit pessimistic and confused me a bit and I am sure it confused a lot of others as well. It sounded like maybe it could be gone for good, the way it is worded like its unknown for now. Is it unknown for the ETA to comeback or is it unknown for a comeback at all ?
This website was one of the leading casinos for pvp play and I was hoping you guys would add more pvp games into the roster making it a pvp gambling haven for all of us so it would be sad to see it going. Would love to get a clear answer about if its gone for now and need to wait until it relaunches or should we give up hope on a return forever ?
I hope you guys figure out the coding issue and comeback quickly because you are sorely missed and I wanted to let you know that.
We're definitely still actively pursuing this and the main goal is to launch a well tested and polished product. At the moment there's been a few delays as it's not up to par with what we're ready to release. The launch has been delayed longer then we'd all like, however I can assure you the final delivered product will be worth it Better do the necessary things before launching again. Are you going to test your platform internally? Or are you open for test bugs from the community? We're doing both. At the moment internal tests are being done, among a smaller QA testing group for such. Bug bounty will be public and ongoing for as long as we are up. |
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