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301  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: How can Bitsler and Primedice cheat players? on: December 29, 2018, 02:03:55 PM
thanks for such a valuable information.
302  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: How can Bitsler and Primedice cheat players? on: December 29, 2018, 11:18:43 AM
Did you even read the description on just-dice? It literally specifies *exactly* how this is done:

Quote from: justdice
We then take the first 5 characters of that hex string and convert them to a decimal integer (that will be in the range 0 through 1048575 (16^5-1)).

If it is less than 1 million, we divide it by 10,000 and use it as your dice roll. That is the case 96% of the time.

Otherwise we use the next five characters of the 128 character hex string, and repeat.

You will notice all the verifiers follow that exact procedure, to all arrive at the exact same rolls.

Going to ignore the first half of your message because its just you being smug and contradicting the lower half of your message.
(Seriously how are you still trying to argue about provably fair while I never said it was the problem?)

But yes! Perfect justdice quote, now we're getting somewhere!

So let me recapitulate, you're telling me that after all the security and provably fair mishmash, in the end, justdice uses the last 3 bytes of the hmac output, creates a number, and divides it by 10k? This part right here buddy, that you need to verify every time you want to trust a website.

Sure, im very sure justdice are legit. But you could EASILY, for example instead of divide by 10k and get the dice roll, you divide and substract 5 every time. Or use modulo to turn every nth number into a 0 bet... Oh and flash news, YOU WOULD GET THE SAME RIGGED OUTCOME EVERY TIME. So where can you check that they dont do this? You need to read the verifier source code.

If the verifier isnt open sourced, you cannot prove that the website isnt scalping the house edge. Even if it is open source, you need to verify that the part where the hex output becomes a bet roll is uniformly distributed on the target interval.


Please tell me if bitsler and primedice have open source code?

303  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: How can Bitsler and Primedice cheat players? on: December 28, 2018, 07:19:07 PM
Bitsler and Primedice can cheat you with false and misleading claiming that you breached their terms and conditions and confiscate your account balance, like it happened thousands of times in the online gaming history!

Thanks for your reply, ya this can also be one of the cheating method but I am more interested in the technical type of cheating behind the curtain. It might be possible that they have designed the software to payout 50% of all player deposit with in 24 hours and no matter how you play you can not suck out more than the previously fixed amount.
Please give your thought on that.
304  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: How can Bitsler and Primedice cheat players? on: December 28, 2018, 07:03:51 PM
I am not an expert but I consider that this fact lies in the differentiation between private and public hash. If you don't use your private HASH then when placing the bet you will get a random public HASH. Given that, I understand that when in a private hash there is a possibility of getting the same number 1/101 in a public hash this probability is different and eventually it may lead you to a loss (talking about Dice).

I repeat that I am not an expert it is just my own assumption.

Please elaborate further about this afaik both sites only allow to change seed not hashes.
305  Economy / Gambling discussion / How can Bitsler and Primedice cheat players? on: December 28, 2018, 04:21:13 PM
I have a simple question in my mind. What are the possible ways in which any provably fair dice gambling website like Bitsler and Primedice can cheat players. Is there any logically possible (doable) loophole in provably fair system that they implement. I am also looking for an answer from technical point of view. Any member who understand provably system in deep please answer this query.
I know lots of members here are paid by bitsler and primedice and other gambling sites for promotion purposes and they will jump here claiming the reputation of the site. I know that there are various dice roll versifiers out there through which you can verify you dice roll but still my question remains the same, is there any doable way to cheat players in spite of having all these so called provably fair mechanisms in place.

Eagerly waiting for an answer from an member who knows deeply about provably fair system.
Thanks in advance.
     
306  Economy / Gambling / Re: Sportsbet.io banned me for no reason on: December 12, 2018, 10:35:59 PM
I saw the website and was interested because I was planning to make a Youtube video going all in on live roulette, and I did, I deposited 350 and played I won almost 600 dollars, then I withdrew my balance, I decided later in the day that I was going to go all in with the 600 dollars so I did I played and won double ( was feeling super lucky), so basically now I got 1200$ of balance so I decided to withdraw, my withdrawal was denied so I talked to support and they told me to email the security email, they asked for id proof and address proof, which I provided, and it was accepted, after that they asked for KYC procedure, so I did that and it was also accepted but they sent me this in email:
(Hi hitthejackpot,
 
Thank you kindly for completing the verification process.
 
Please be informed that this user account is hereby terminated and all funds remain frozen in accordance with our Terms and Conditions:
 
Under the rule 5.6.
If we determine, in our sole discretion, that you are using the “Double Spend“ methodology, Sportsbet.io shall void all bets and winnings. Specifically, if you win, then confirm your deposit on the Blockchain and attempt to withdraw, all winnings will be confiscated and your account will be closed permanently. We shall also exercise this right where similar activities are attempted from any connected accounts.
 
We appreciate your time and understanding regarding this matter.
 
Kind Regards,
Sportsbet.io Player Safety and Assurance Department)

I have no idea why this happened, it's honestly very unprofessional and a complete scam from my perspective, I have done nothing to violate the terms and conditions, yet I get banned for some random shit I have no clue about, this does not make any sense and very unfair.

Please post your deposit transaction ID. If you can share you betting details with time that will be great. I am eagerly waiting for your reply because this case looks very interesting to me since double spending is not that easy now a days with lightning network at place, unless of course you own 51% of mining power which I am pretty sure you do not.   
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