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1  Economy / Reputation / Re: ▄▀▄ REMOVE LAUDA FROM DT ▄▀▄▀▄▀▄ LIST UPDATED 2/5/19 ▄▀▄▀▄▀▄▀▄▀▄▀▄▀▄▀▄▀▄π on: February 07, 2019, 07:20:36 AM
yes

I see your Negative trust.  It's wrong and i don't agree with it. Like i have said before i don't agree with some things Lauda does or says.  You have to understand most of these DT Members have ZERO life outside of BCT and want to play superhero on here...This is what they do. This is what makes them relevant iin the world.  Their red paint means they want attentiion and are screaming for help.

No person their right mind spends 8-10 hours a day on a forum judging peoples posts and leaving negative feedback is in their right minds.

They are abusive losers and it can't be fixed until theymos puts his foot down and say enough.

Tolerate it if you can uuntil the system breaks or theymos comes to his right mind and fixes it.

they are just keyboard warriors, probably those geeks...
2  Economy / Reputation / Re: ▄▀▄ REMOVE LAUDA FROM DT ▄▀▄▀▄▀▄ LIST UPDATED 2/2/19 ▄▀▄▀▄▀▄▀▄▀▄▀▄▀▄▀▄▀▄π on: February 03, 2019, 11:29:58 AM
lets throw off these clowns!

vote against them!!!
3  Economy / Reputation / Re: REMOVE LAUDA FROM DT on: February 02, 2019, 04:18:04 PM
slowly this is a revolution!!!
4  Economy / Reputation / Re: VINSIN IS A SCAMMER!! on: February 02, 2019, 07:38:38 AM
cryptohunter why are so nuts? stop pm'ing me

false accusation... mods check this out and red trust this liar. Never sent him a pm ever.

what did my pm say... post it here if it is real.

okay, i thought vinsin is referring to me.
5  Economy / Reputation / Re: There should be a public general elections on the DTs on: February 01, 2019, 07:17:13 PM
All i can say is he will continue to scam more people.
If you don't believe, come back again next month with a proof of his sally transactions.
I don't know how could you think "VINSIN" will continue his scam. But i can assure you here in the bitcointalk it will be so much tough for him mate.

Active DT team and trustworthy members are always here to keep our users safe from scammers. There's no way if you don't give him money for free.  

My post is constantly getting deleted.
6  Economy / Reputation / Re: REMOVE LAUDA FROM DT on: February 01, 2019, 06:56:47 AM
(which is what gwsukabokepjerang is advocating for, they want only "confirmed" buyers/sellers to be able to leave feedback)...

The obvious flaw in gwsukabokepjerang's argument, is that there is no facility to confirm buyers/sellers on this platform. There is nothing to stop a user from creating 100 alt accounts and leaving themselves 100 positive reviews. How would that let a user conduct due diligence? Huh This place is a discussion board first and foremost... and simply has a "marketplace" board where people can put buy/sell notices. This is not amazon, it is not ebay... yet, that seems to be what they want... BitcointalkBay or something? Huh *shrug*
see, you don't read my post, i said the trust is implemented after buying and selling.
No, you didn't read (or you didn't understand) my post... that is exactly what I said you said... you want "only confirmed buyers/sellers to be able to leave feedback". Is that not what you mean when you say "trust is implemented after buying and selling"? Huh

You still haven't addressed the fact that there is NO WAY to be able to do this on the Bitcointalk platform. As I said, this is a discussion board... it isn't geared towards online commerce. The fact that people can arrange trades does not make this a proper eCommerce platform with buyer/seller protection built in. There is a reason why everyone advocates for using trusted escrows. Without it, there is NO protection.


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i have done what i could to prevent VINSIN from scamming more people, but what's the point?
Because the trust rating you left is still there... everyone can see your feedback, if they chose to click "untrusted" feedback... and if they have you on their trust list, it'll even show up as "trusted". That's how trust works.

I always check ALL the feedback that a user has... but that's me. If people are too lazy to do that, then that's their problem.

If you have better solution for it, then you can tell the mods too.
I have said that vinsin will scam more people with this system.
7  Economy / Reputation / Re: There should be a public general elections on the DTs on: February 01, 2019, 06:53:05 AM
I am just trying to stop people like VINSIN from scamming more people.

If only we had some sort of system where users could leave ratings for other users based on their experiences in dealing with them, and then other forum members could read what they had written, and decide whether or not they wanted to trade with or trust them... Some sort of a "truster system", perhaps... Just thinking out loud.

see, i would prefer this kind of improvement feedback.
Many people, brainstorming on how to improve the system, is better.
Nothing wrong with that right?

Actually I was being sarcastic. My apologies for being too subtle about it.

I am not whining, but trust me even though i got -10, VINSIN will continue to scam more people!
I just want to prevent that from happening even further, but you DT gang up against me,
what can i do?

There's a few things you can do:

1. Start over with a brand new account.
2. Don't trade with somebody who has a deep red trust rating.
3. Use a bit more discretion if you do proceed in future trades, or better yet: don't trade at all, especially when it comes to accounts.


All i can say is he will continue to scam more people.
If you don't believe, come back again next month with a proof of his sally transactions.
8  Economy / Reputation / Re: There should be a public general elections on the DTs on: February 01, 2019, 06:20:27 AM
I am just trying to stop people like VINSIN from scamming more people.

If only we had some sort of system where users could leave ratings for other users based on their experiences in dealing with them, and then other forum members could read what they had written, and decide whether or not they wanted to trade with or trust them... Some sort of a "truster system", perhaps... Just thinking out loud.

see, i would prefer this kind of improvement feedback.
Many people, brainstorming on how to improve the system, is better.
Nothing wrong with that right?

I am not whining, but trust me even though i got -10, VINSIN will continue to scam more people!
I just want to prevent that from happening even further, but you DT gang up against me,
what can i do?

9  Economy / Reputation / Re: There should be a public general elections on the DTs on: February 01, 2019, 06:01:56 AM
Its okay, i am just saying that lots of people will get scammed if you continue with this trust system.
You can continue to defend it. I am just trying to stop people like VINSIN from scamming more people.
Why do you think that other people would do the same as you and ignore all of those (Default) Trust ratings that indicate that VINSIN is not to be trusted? Huh

This is something that still confuses me... he had MULTIPLE red trust ratings... and you still went ahead and traded with them... WHY? Huh Huh Huh

you can ask 2 others before me, with just 6 sally transactions, why they traded with him too. It's not about the red trust.
I feel there is something genuine with him that's why.
He will continue to scam with this method. He is smart!

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No point, i wasted lots of my time giving feedback and this is what i get.
I will remove my "untrusted" feedback.
Why would you do that? That is probably the worst thing you could do. Undecided

Why should i help? I already waste my time trying to prove a point, but you guys ignore me.

And even my feedback got deleted.

And my genuine feedback is placed on untrusted section.
10  Economy / Reputation / Re: REMOVE LAUDA FROM DT on: February 01, 2019, 02:19:56 AM
Thats called baby sitting what you want to explain with that.You are trying to make the lender sheep like.
You want to protect each dumb lender who isn't able to make his own due dilligance and risk calculation by taking freedom out of the forum ?
No, it isn't babysitting... it is enabling users to make informed and considered decisions.

If DT were not able to tag an obviously sold/bought account (which is what gwsukabokepjerang is advocating for, they want only "confirmed" buyers/sellers to be able to leave feedback)... how exactly is a "dumb lender" supposed to conduct "due diligence and risk calculation"? How would the "dumb lender" even know that the account was sold? Huh

The obvious flaw in gwsukabokepjerang's argument, is that there is no facility to confirm buyers/sellers on this platform. There is nothing to stop a user from creating 100 alt accounts and leaving themselves 100 positive reviews. How would that let a user conduct due diligence? Huh This place is a discussion board first and foremost... and simply has a "marketplace" board where people can put buy/sell notices. This is not amazon, it is not ebay... yet, that seems to be what they want... BitcointalkBay or something? Huh *shrug*

Anyway, personally, I'm more for tagging bought/sold accounts as "neutral", as opposed to insta-tagging them red... This would then flag the account as bought/sold, so users know that previous trade history and feedback is no longer valid. If users are not checking the complete trust history (trusted AND untrusted) of anyone they conduct business with, then that is their problem. I'm a big fan of personal responsibility... just like "be your own bank"... you need to "be your own security department"!  Wink

If a neutral tagged account then does something stupid like scam or spam for sig etc... then sure, go and tag them red.



see, you don't read my post, i said the trust is implemented after buying and selling.
i have done what i could to prevent VINSIN from scamming more people, but what's the point?

All my posts just get deleted.
11  Economy / Reputation / Re: There should be a public general elections on the DTs on: February 01, 2019, 02:13:45 AM
the forum did not owe me anything, yes.

And i find it suspicious that the admin starts to delete some of my feedback.
http://prntscr.com/mf15mp
http://prntscr.com/mf15s8
http://prntscr.com/mf15wo

Its okay, i am just saying that lots of people will get scammed if you continue with this trust system.
You can continue to defend it. I am just trying to stop people like VINSIN from scamming more people.

No point, i wasted lots of my time giving feedback and this is what i get.
I will remove my "untrusted" feedback.

12  Economy / Reputation / Re: There should be a public general elections on the DTs on: January 31, 2019, 07:41:44 PM
And not to read DT's trusted feedback, just like how they gang up on me.
How is that fair?
I don't understand this statement. Can you reword it or clarify what you mean by this?

DT trusted feedback is like a gang! Once have 1 red, all red will come.

Ok, i will repeat and will repeat many times, there is no such thing in this world as customers giving feedback without buying items.
And continue doing this, more will get scammed.
Proactive feedback prevents scams from taking place in the first place. Meaning: instead of a scammer being ousted after they take (arbitrary)  1 BTC, they can be ousted after they take 0 BTC.

Proactive feedback, you have not been in buyer shoes when buying accounts. Because all account sellers have red trust no matter what.



What did i do wrong?
I can't participate in signature campaigns?
And build some trust for some deals to earn side income?
Everyone needs money!
Ok even that i said i want buy accounts that have trust if can, no trust is okay,
so that at least i can participate in signature campaigns.
You can absolutely participate in signature campaigns. When you earn the privilege.

Generally, the post quality of users increases with time and experience. Spam is a cancer upon the forum.
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how do you know i will spam?
i thought there is already a time limit in place?

And thats the problem, by the time i get to certain rank, bounty is already over!
13  Economy / Reputation / Re: There should be a public general elections on the DTs on: January 31, 2019, 07:29:37 PM
omg, i said that the DT feedback can't be trusted. Default escrow should be in place.

I am not blaming the DT, i am not a fan of the trust system that's all.
Why can DT feedback not be trusted? If there are obvious signs of a scam, shouldn't that be publicized accordingly?

Moreover, there are escrows in place if people look for them. However, centralization of escrow services isn't exactly what you want.

how is account selling a scam? I read that it's legal.
This thread is about preventing more after me to always use escrow!

And not to read DT's trusted feedback, just like how they gang up on me.
How is that fair?

Ok, i will repeat and will repeat many times, there is no such thing in this world as customers giving feedback without buying items.
And continue doing this, more will get scammed.
It will always create the illusion that this person is unfairly treated by DT.

TRUST ME!
i got red trust because you all gang on me, just like how VINSIN got red trust when all DT gang on him!

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why this thread only DT members are replying? Where are the members and newbies?
Hi!

You are full member with 200+ merits.

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As i said, how can i trust you guys, did you buy the item? simple answer.

If not, then there is no such business in the world that allow customers to anyhow give feedback without buying items!
Obviously you are confusing rating/reviews with the trust system.
DTs tag members based on many factors. Feedbacks left from "customers" is one of these factors.
DTs identify scammers and tag them as a preventive mesure.
Though, positive trust should be given to a member after he makes successful deals.


same mate. how is this different?
Feedbacks left from "customers" is one of these factors. As far as i can see, there are no customers feedback till me.

+ some even don't want to give positive trust after successful deal.

Any reason why i am the only newbie in this thread when most are DT?

Reputation section isn't really popular, most members only visit Bitcoin Discussion, Economics & Alternate cryptocurrencies sections. Besides, i doubt newbies are familiar with this forum systems (DT, merit, unique rules, etc.)

That means the forum must be turned into marketplace where the forum have full information (such as buyer, seller, escrow, data, sold item/service, price, etc.) and it's tall-order. You need to convince theymos to add such huge feature.

It's the only way! I know it's not easy and takes time, but well, he can always ask for public donations and i will donate.
theymos can keep certain information.
I do hope he can consider.

Money isn't problem as this forum have lots of money, but the real problem is theymos manage this forum system/feature mostly by himself and AFAIK don't really trust others for this matter.

thats the problem, i thought DT can be trusted? Forum this big requires a lot manpower, why binance have lots of employees?
Even Binance, i believe, hold billions of dollars. I salute CZ that he can handle this trust.
14  Economy / Reputation / Re: There should be a public general elections on the DTs on: January 31, 2019, 07:12:25 PM
Just explain why you think that users should lose money to scams and then provide feedback when they can be protected with proactive feedback.

omg, i said that the DT feedback can't be trusted. Default escrow should be in place to prevent scams.

I am not blaming the DT, i am not a fan of the trust system that's all.
15  Economy / Reputation / Re: REMOVE LAUDA FROM DT on: January 31, 2019, 07:10:29 PM
I have never seen anything like this before in Reputation.

Account Deena woke up after 5 months, and from where are all these newbie accounts coming from... Roll Eyes


After Lauda got off DT things were quiet and peaceful around here and I was sleeping the sleep of the innocent. Then Theymos decided to shake things up again, rather rudely. That's what woke me up. I had preferred to stay asleep.  Roll Eyes

the trust system has to be called off!
It's really not good.
16  Economy / Reputation / Re: There should be a public general elections on the DTs on: January 31, 2019, 07:06:35 PM
why this thread only DT members are replying? Where are the members and newbies?

FYI, i'm not DT member. Additionally, i'm not fan of DT system, but your idea isn't practical and will bring new weakness to the system.

Any reason why i am the only newbie in this thread when most are DT?

have u read previous posts? i already said to implement the trust after buying and selling.

That means the forum must be turned into marketplace where the forum have full information (such as buyer, seller, escrow, data, sold item/service, price, etc.) and it's tall-order. You need to convince theymos to add such huge feature.

It's the only way! I know it's not easy and takes time, but well, he can always ask for public donations and i will donate.
theymos can keep certain information.
I do hope he can consider.
17  Economy / Reputation / Re: There should be a public general elections on the DTs on: January 31, 2019, 06:54:34 PM
why this thread only DT members are replying? Where are the members and newbies?
another problem of this system.
To be clear, i'm not on either side, but since this system is corrupt, then i sided more with anti DT.

Thats why it's ripped off!
It's all about the inner circle gang up and bullies us!
I'm still wondering why you blame the DefaultTrust negative feedback for VINSIN's scamming of you.
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you all gang up against us.

There is no fair reviews at all!
DT defending their positions,
anti DT gang also defending their positions

you did not read previous post seriously!
As i said, how can i trust you guys, did you buy the item? simple answer.

If not, then there is no such business in the world that allow customers to anyhow give feedback without buying items!

If i am buying something from store, i can just see the store seller as scammer even if i have not purchased anything from him?

Where is the logic?

Suppose someone is selling a gambling script that they claim to guarantee winnings. This is a clear scam.
Suppose someone is selling a stolen item.
both of the above can use default escrow right?

Suppose someone is opening an ICO with a fake team and whitepaper.
did you not read the previous posts? i have given answer on this!

It's amazing i'm the only newbie here.

I'm still wondering why you blame the DefaultTrust negative feedback for VINSIN's scamming of you.

because he didn't do full DD and check the un trusted feedback as well - so its the forums fault - all this fucking fuss for $40!

untrusted feedback all i see is account selling and some honest black reviews.

You see, that's the problem, those before me don't want to waste their time on $40.
How many people have been scammed by him until i showed up?


you can keep on defending this system, but more will get scammed.
i should have just ask VINSIN to give me money to delete the untrusted feedback.
No point!
I highlight clearly the problem but you guys brushed me off!
18  Economy / Reputation / Re: There should be a public general elections on the DTs on: January 31, 2019, 05:09:31 PM
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I am a customer but my feedback showing as untrusted!
You are not a customer. You are a forum member.
when you buy something, that's called a customers right?

And we are talking about marketplace first, buying and selling,
about ponzi, step by step the mods can figure out!
The trust system is not based on whether you have made a transaction or not. Trusted feedback is based on your personal trust list. Anyone outside of your DefaultTrust depth settings have their feedback shown as untrusted.

Therefore it is not a matter of whether you are a customer or not.

If i am buying something from store, i can just see the store seller as scammer even if i have not purchased anything from him?
Where is the logic?

Thats why it's ripped off!
It's all about the inner circle gang up and bullies us!

Thats why VINSIN is able to scam so many people!
It's not about the same people anymore!
19  Economy / Reputation / Re: REMOVE LAUDA FROM DT on: January 31, 2019, 05:05:40 PM
Request sent to theymos.
Will start bidding after receiving his reply

do send this thread too!
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5104397.0

problem is that the trust system is abused by same people.

20  Economy / Reputation / Re: There should be a public general elections on the DTs on: January 31, 2019, 04:58:14 PM
So let me get this straight, you are saying that DT members (or anyone else) can't tag scammers unless they actually got scammed by them?
yes! that's how business work.
I didn't use escrow, that's my fault. Just like any business, there is escrow too.
I don't see why you think that it's proper to wait for a victim to send a user negative trust.

Do we wait for thieves to steal before we convict them of their crimes, despite knowing their intent?

How about ponzi schemes? If we wait until they collapse to warn people that it's a scam then there will be literally no consequence to someone starting a ponzi.

firstly, don't judge a book by its cover!
ponzi is already illegal from start. That one we know. And should be deleted.
simple.

as i said,
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I am a customer but my feedback showing as untrusted!

You are not a customer. You are a forum member.

It says trade with extreme caution.
And the opinion of these DT punks is irrelevant.What matters is the reality and reality is that majority of forum members instantly take you as scammer when seeing the default red trust

See, the problem is this, not all are scammers!
By creating this, u make the illusion that that guy instantly is a scammer without transacting with him?

If i have successful trade with escrow, and i posted here? a good feedback? what will you do?

I can't believe you are still defending the trust system?
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