There should be a public general elections on the DTs

[nutildah]

If u continue with this trust, i believe more will get scammed. I can't believe that VISIN managed to scam 2 before me with just 6 transactions.

VINSIN already had a bright, deep red trust before you got scammed. So what exactly is the problem with the trust system? It warned you not to trust him, you did anyway, now you're bitching about it? Makes no sense. He's even admitted to ripping people off in the past.

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[gwsukabokepjepang]

Or keep the DT and remove the trust. the trust is ripped off.

man i'm confused by your wall of text, i'm not having a go as I want to address your issue as you feel slighted by other senior members pointing out you are wrong. I feel you as a newbie have no idea of Theymo's vision of decentralisation - no real knowledge of forum politics either.

Account selling isn't trusted here = you got ripped off buying an account.
you didn't use escrow = you got ripped off
you ignored a load of red taggs = you got ripped off.

the system isn't broken - your attitude towards it is. You cannot make a valid argument against the system as you do not know the intricacies of this place.

but let me pose this question to you - if you hadn't tried to buy an account you wouldn't of got SKAMED would you?

As i said, i only don't like how the trust works!
You cannot make a valid argument against the system as you do not know the intricacies of this place.

How is this not valid? I proved so much of my point and all DT does is to gang up against me.
That's another problem.
I'm sure lots of anti DT gang does not like how the trust system work, thats why they want to overthrow the DT.
I am just giving feedback on why the trust system is a total mess, not the DT.
Because DT are the one giving trusted feedback, then we have to overthrow them right?


He's even admitted to ripping people off in the past.
I only saw he admitted to selling accounts.
This is why he get the sales! This guy knows marketing.
I always learn something from mistakes and criticism, yes, may be hard to swallow, thats the only way i can improve.

It's up to the admin whether this system is questionable or not. I will always say that this system will continue to scam more people.
You don't realized it.

All you want to hear is nice things in front of you, of how this system works well for you. That's just all bootlicking!
I don't trust bootlickers because most of them always have hidden agenda. Just like how most DT here.
Maybe that's why they like to gang up!

Be honest, do nice things really improve you?
Or criticism improve you?

This world, no one can be trusted! So why i should trust the DT?

[TMAN]

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stop posting 40 things I cant keep up - lets keep to these points

Account selling isn't trusted here = you got ripped off buying an account.
you didn't use escrow = you got ripped off
you ignored a load of red taggs = you got ripped off.

the system isn't broken - your attitude towards it is.

[gwsukabokepjepang]

ok then means DT here admits that the trust system is corrupt!

I am a customer but my feedback showing as untrusted! Ok can!

[khaled0111]

I am a customer but my feedback showing as untrusted!

You are not a customer. You are a forum member.

[Thule]

I am a customer but my feedback showing as untrusted!

You are not a customer. You are a forum member.

It says trade with extreme caution.
And the opinion of these DT punks is irrelevant.What matters is the reality and reality is that majority of forum members instantly take you as scammer when seeing the default red trust

[TMAN]

ok then means DT here admits that the trust system is corrupt!

I am a customer but my feedback showing as untrusted! Ok can!

?? you are not trusted as you are a nobody in the grand scheme of things - if you have issues ask someone trusted on DT to tag, provide proof and it will be actioned if true.

if every newbie could tag the forum trust system would mean nothing - surely you understand this simple concept

[Thule]

ok then means DT here admits that the trust system is corrupt!

I am a customer but my feedback showing as untrusted! Ok can!

?? you are not trusted as you are a nobody in the grand scheme of things - if you have issues ask someone trusted on DT to tag, provide proof and it will be actioned if true.

if every newbie could tag the forum trust system would mean nothing - surely you understand this simple concept

I have provided proof that Lauda has been accused of extortion and it has been proofed he sent these emails.The purpose is irrelevant.
I have proofed that a legandary has recently sold high ranked account and still no DT member expect lauda has tagged him.

You don't do your duty as DT member.You are clearly not able to hold that position

[actmyname]

So let me get this straight, you are saying that DT members (or anyone else) can't tag scammers unless they actually got scammed by them?

yes! that's how business work.
I didn't use escrow, that's my fault. Just like any business, there is escrow too.

I don't see why you think that it's proper to wait for a victim to send a user negative trust.

Do we wait for thieves to steal before we convict them of their crimes, despite knowing their intent?

How about ponzi schemes? If we wait until they collapse to warn people that it's a scam then there will be literally no consequence to someone starting a ponzi.

[TMAN]

I have provided proof that Lauda has been accused of extortion and it has been proofed he sent these emails.The purpose is irrelevant.
I have proofed that a legandary has recently sold high ranked account and still no DT member expect lauda has tagged him.

You don't do your duty as DT member.You are clearly not able to hold that position

highlighted 2 things

Accused - go read a dictionary
Emails - You are a lying cunt you ain't seen shit on email you twat

[gwsukabokepjepang]

So let me get this straight, you are saying that DT members (or anyone else) can't tag scammers unless they actually got scammed by them?

yes! that's how business work.
I didn't use escrow, that's my fault. Just like any business, there is escrow too.

I don't see why you think that it's proper to wait for a victim to send a user negative trust.

Do we wait for thieves to steal before we convict them of their crimes, despite knowing their intent?

How about ponzi schemes? If we wait until they collapse to warn people that it's a scam then there will be literally no consequence to someone starting a ponzi.

firstly, don't judge a book by its cover!
ponzi is already illegal from start. That one we know. And should be deleted.
simple.

as i said,

I am a customer but my feedback showing as untrusted!

You are not a customer. You are a forum member.

It says trade with extreme caution.
And the opinion of these DT punks is irrelevant.What matters is the reality and reality is that majority of forum members instantly take you as scammer when seeing the default red trust

See, the problem is this, not all are scammers!
By creating this, u make the illusion that that guy instantly is a scammer without transacting with him?

If i have successful trade with escrow, and i posted here? a good feedback? what will you do?

I can't believe you are still defending the trust system?

[actmyname]

I am a customer but my feedback showing as untrusted!

You are not a customer. You are a forum member.

when you buy something, that's called a customers right?

And we are talking about marketplace first, buying and selling,
about ponzi, step by step the mods can figure out!

The trust system is not based on whether you have made a transaction or not. Trusted feedback is based on your personal trust list. Anyone outside of your DefaultTrust depth settings have their feedback shown as untrusted.

Therefore it is not a matter of whether you are a customer or not.

[gwsukabokepjepang]

I am a customer but my feedback showing as untrusted!

You are not a customer. You are a forum member.

when you buy something, that's called a customers right?

And we are talking about marketplace first, buying and selling,
about ponzi, step by step the mods can figure out!

The trust system is not based on whether you have made a transaction or not. Trusted feedback is based on your personal trust list. Anyone outside of your DefaultTrust depth settings have their feedback shown as untrusted.

Therefore it is not a matter of whether you are a customer or not.

If i am buying something from store, i can just see the store seller as scammer even if i have not purchased anything from him?
Where is the logic?

Thats why it's ripped off!
It's all about the inner circle gang up and bullies us!

Thats why VINSIN is able to scam so many people!
It's not about the same people anymore!

[actmyname]

If i am buying something from store, i can just see the store seller as scammer even if i have not purchased anything from him?
Where is the logic?

Suppose someone is selling a gambling script that they claim to guarantee winnings. This is a clear scam.

Suppose someone is selling a stolen item.

Suppose someone is opening an ICO with a fake team and whitepaper.

Thats why it's ripped off!
It's all about the inner circle gang up and bullies us!

I'm still wondering why you blame the DefaultTrust negative feedback for VINSIN's scamming of you.

[TMAN]

I'm still wondering why you blame the DefaultTrust negative feedback for VINSIN's scamming of you.

because he didn't do full DD and check the un trusted feedback as well - so its the forums fault - all this fucking fuss for $40!

[tmfp]

I'm still wondering why you blame the DefaultTrust negative feedback for VINSIN's scamming of you.

because he didn't do full DD and check the un trusted feedback as well - so its the forums fault - all this fucking fuss for $40!

People who fuck up on a regular basis usually find someone else to blame

i have been scammed countless times in my life, from MLM to this...

[The Sceptical Chymist]

Merit already is hard to earned. For every 100 newbies, maybe only 5 can rank up.

You're either a complete idiot or an alt account, and I'm 90% sure it's the latter. *Edit: could also be both* In any case, the above quote is probably correct and that's the way it's supposed to be, since only 5% or so of newbies aren't bounty spammers.  If you're somehow not an alt account, you may not be familiar with why the merit system was created in the first place.  I'll leave it to you to search through Meta to find the answer to that--but since you can't write English properly, you probably can't read it well either and wouldn't be able to distinguish a good post from a shitpost.

I'm puzzled as to OP's gripe.  He claims to have gotten scammed by VINSIN, and even though VINSIN was extensively tagged by DT members, OP is blaming DT members....because VINSIN's other victims (not sure who they are) didn't tag him?  And thus the trust system is so broken that OP is joining the moron brigade in order to overthrow the default trust system?  Have I interpreted this correctly?

Makes zero sense.  

[gwsukabokepjepang]

why this thread only DT members are replying? Where are the members and newbies?
another problem of this system.
To be clear, i'm not on either side, but since this system is corrupt, then i sided more with anti DT.

Thats why it's ripped off!
It's all about the inner circle gang up and bullies us!

I'm still wondering why you blame the DefaultTrust negative feedback for VINSIN's scamming of you.
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you all gang up against us.

There is no fair reviews at all!
DT defending their positions,
anti DT gang also defending their positions

you did not read previous post seriously!
As i said, how can i trust you guys, did you buy the item? simple answer.

If not, then there is no such business in the world that allow customers to anyhow give feedback without buying items!

If i am buying something from store, i can just see the store seller as scammer even if i have not purchased anything from him?

Where is the logic?

Suppose someone is selling a gambling script that they claim to guarantee winnings. This is a clear scam.
Suppose someone is selling a stolen item.
both of the above can use default escrow right?

Suppose someone is opening an ICO with a fake team and whitepaper.
did you not read the previous posts? i have given answer on this!

It's amazing i'm the only newbie here.

I'm still wondering why you blame the DefaultTrust negative feedback for VINSIN's scamming of you.

because he didn't do full DD and check the un trusted feedback as well - so its the forums fault - all this fucking fuss for $40!

untrusted feedback all i see is account selling and some honest black reviews.

You see, that's the problem, those before me don't want to waste their time on $40.
How many people have been scammed by him until i showed up?


you can keep on defending this system, but more will get scammed.
i should have just ask VINSIN to give me money to delete the untrusted feedback.
No point!
I highlight clearly the problem but you guys brushed me off!

[gwsukabokepjepang]

why this thread only DT members are replying? Where are the members and newbies?

FYI, i'm not DT member. Additionally, i'm not fan of DT system, but your idea isn't practical and will bring new weakness to the system.

Any reason why i am the only newbie in this thread when most are DT?

have u read previous posts? i already said to implement the trust after buying and selling.

That means the forum must be turned into marketplace where the forum have full information (such as buyer, seller, escrow, data, sold item/service, price, etc.) and it's tall-order. You need to convince theymos to add such huge feature.

It's the only way! I know it's not easy and takes time, but well, he can always ask for public donations and i will donate.
theymos can keep certain information.
I do hope he can consider.

[actmyname]

Just explain why you think that users should lose money to scams and then provide feedback when they can be protected with proactive feedback.