Hello Biege,

Thanks for jumping in to help out the community. I'm afraid you are going to be in the hot seat for a while! I can understand the frustration of trying to keep a business afloat and concentrating on what is important. I usually find my hindsight is much better later, than when I make a decision in an emotional state, just ask my wife. I hope the team, and everyone here takes some time to step back and  try to see things from the other side's point of view. I hope we can cut some of the emotion out and try to work out an understanding. I want Margin to succeed. I like the software interface, Bollinger Bands bot, and looking forward to improvements. If they can't succeed, we will not see any of this.

Please let them know that this should be a respite, and not an insularly move. We are stronger working together.

I can see frustration on both sides. Lifetime means what it says. We can talk semantics all day and never get anywhere. I can also see that having a viable business means the software will continue. I also don’t like heated exchanges, where someone is called a troll for voicing their opinions, and where someone says the company is unethical. There has to be a willingness to talk things through and come to a reasonable compromise of sorts. With any software purchase, there is a company that wants to do what they love and make money to keep doing it, and a customer that wants use out of it. If those two things benefit each other, everyone is happy. When the equation becomes imbalanced, there is friction and one side has to make a change. Software doesn’t do what the customer expected, refund or change the software. Business has to decide what they can do. Business can’t stay afloat with current software licensing model to stay in business. Have to change or go under, not good for anyone.

Extremes:
1.   Business changes licensing model, leaving current customers in the dust.
2.   Business marks all current customers as lifetime paid and changes model for new customers.

My guess is that option 2 is what most customers would want, unless they have other reasons motivating them such as fear of the business going under and losing access to software they love. Number one was probably the best bet to keep the business afloat at the risk of alienating customers.

Seems a compromise was put forth in between the extremes by providing a free period and by reducing fees to try to create a win for all. Some like it, some do not for whatever reasons. The choices are to continue to try to reach a consensus, or a higher percentage of agreement, or just see what survives the fallout of the current offer.

1.   In an effort to offer other options for discussion, which may be impossible, it there a way to turn over the API portion of the code for community updates, or charge for API updates.
2.   Maybe you get a percentage of trades like an exchange. I’d give you .1% of all trades. I give Bittrex .25% on each.
3.   Another thought would be to continue to support API changes for free, and entice people away from the old software with great new features with Margin. This would only work if there was an agreement on what current feature sets or performance criteria for Leonardo it should end with. I know there are challenges with this as have been mentioned.

I think entertaining a frank discussion with customers, without everyone getting bent out of shape, is beneficial for everyone. It may not change the current offer, but it could change opinions to be a little more positive and receptive to changes that must happen for us to continue our relationship. I think everyone wants this to succeed or we wouldn't be here.

Not #78, probably closer to #31. , and no I would like to continue discussing tone.

#32: It's almost like mind control, I will bait you with how you should be acting to prove your point to my satisfaction.   My point, and then I will let you discuss however you want without me interfering, is that we all have this area of interest, Crypto, and we generally look very unprofessional in our dealings with each other. I believe that if we want to raise the level of acceptance, we need to be tolerable to other viewpoints and interact as if we learned something in the third grade. Off soapbox, you guys hash it out however you need to. It may be a few weeks before I check back in. Everyone be safe!

I am not focusing and insisting it is anything, except that they consider taking a step back from insulting each other. We can communicate without that and all be better off. Serious? I had lots of smiley faces.

So glad my wife doesn't have all my stuff written down forever....but wait her memory is pretty good...   Any chance of you guys burying the hatchet, and not in each other's heads? 

More concerned with the big mining players having more influence than was originally intended. I do enjoy our conversations, more so when cheap digs are left out.

I agree in part to the principal idea of decentralization. We are a long way from the idea that a decentralized BTC client will be run on every person's computer. The consolidation of mining power is a huge concern, as well as the power requirements from an ecological point of view. I believe that some of those concerns are leading people to seek other solutions, which is good for us all. In regards to the current favorite, XRP, other equally concerning factors come to light. A lot of the press regarding adoption of Ripple's technology goes over the head of most people just getting into this. Ripple's technology is not XRP. There seems to be a disconnect between the relationship of the technological solution they sell to entities and the coin. Since it has become popular, they are trying to dangle a carrot that future solutions will use XRP.

Pointing this out because it seems that to cater to the unknowing masses, some centralization and ease of entry is required to be successful. I am technologically capable of running an ION masternode, my sons that laughed at me in 2012 about Bitcoin, are not. It was far easier on everyone involved to hook them up with a centralized provider. It may seem like forever, but our journey to find the best crypto solution(s) has really only just begun. I tell my kids it is the Wild Wild West. You can get robbed in an instant, gun downed in the street, find gold and have it taken from you, etc. We waste too much energy fighting among our selves. Let's explore, create, fail, learn rinse and repeat until we get it right.  All of this soap boxing and I haven't even had a beer today! 

As Suchmoon has suffered though my failed and wrongful attempts to impose a personal communication style on people, I can't help but wonder who the people are, when the meeting was held and vote cast to have you speak for them?   Just humor. No malice intended, I assure you. All joking aside, I wish I could, but I can't help you with your questions. I hope you get a chuckle out of this and have a good day!

I wonder how much of the BTC exchange preference is due to KYC and anti-money-laundering measures? I assume Coinbase and the like that have somewhat successfully navigated these issues, have incurred, and are still incurring, a few additional expenses and red tape along the way. Exchanges use local currency for stocks, why would they not? My understanding is that FOREX trading outpaces all stock markets combined. Purchasing assets or exchanging currency in relation to crypto? I'm not sure if collectively we know. Maybe Crypto to Crypto is the stock market, and Crypto to FIAT is the Forex component? It seems that most broad comparisons are with total crypto market capitalization, in USD. We are so convoluted it seems, or is it fake news.

From my understanding, any comparisons to FIAT, instead of the current bellweather cryptocurrency, are irrelevant. I am curious if the comparison will change with BTC's continued relative decline in market percentage? Could be Ripple or Ethereum with the red arrow in the future? Of course, market capitalization dominance may not directly translate to higher performance in all cases. Curious if efforts will be made to group Cryptocurrencies into Large, Mid and Small cap markets? Could help to illustrate potential investment risks, relative to a currencies market share with like sized peers, and the market as a whole?

Thank you xyj. There is room on the train.   I probably need to work out a referral deal with stke.io, but I use them for my extra ION. 

I think it worth investing in. The Masternode counts I have started logging: 10/2 448, 11/2 482, 12/6 486, 12/17 463, 12/27 471, 1/4 484. The block reward will drop in 115 days. ION has shown some resistance to following BTC dips. A Masternode right now will run you $68,000. Not many MN owners are going to break them down, since reentry would probably be too expensive. Ionomy and STKE.io offer services to get better stake rates than doing it alone in your wallet, unless you get a large number.  As the block reward size decreases, I believe the price will go up. Just my two cents worth, please base any investment decisions on your own research.

I find this chart a little easier to understand than others:
https://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/ion/

Just to be safe, Suchmoon may not have been serious about putting that big of an investment into ION or any cryptocurrency, but I don't want to put words in someone's mouth.   There are a lot of coins to invest in, I chose this one. My situation may be different, since I have been around since the start. I gave my two son's some ION for Christmas and helped them create an account at STKE.io. It is run by a few members of our community. It provides a service where lots of people buy shares of a Masternode and share the payouts, minus any fees.  Not that you should trust me, you don't know me, but I have been using them since they started the first spreadsheet based Community Masternode service. They have come a long way. Take a look and if I can't feel confident in answering your questions, I will see if I can get someone from Ionomy to help.  Thanks for stopping by and taking a look!

Thanks for letting me know. I will mention it to the Ionomy team. I don't think you can be fooled.

Please review the information at https://ionomy.com/

Thank you!

You are right, shouldn't have tried to understand your motives, and I apologize if I insinuated a conspiracy. I never considered you an opponent. Still nothing on my humor? Strictly ION speak from now on, with jokes if I can? I like to have fun most of the time. Please let me know if I drift out of context.

I am a long time member of the community. Grateful to be here. I believe with the development completed, and that which is planned, that we will have a great solution for game developers to use. There are currently 495 Masternodes. Average monthly generated IONS at this MN level is 698.5. Current price of ION is $3.34 which equates to $2,332.98 per month. A Masternode requires 20,000 ION. If you believe in the team, the direction of development, and believe gaming is in need of this solution, please give us a look.  Remember to never take anyone's advice at face value, do your own research, listen to other opinions, and make your own decision. Happy to discuss ION to the best of my ability. I am not an official spokesperson for ION, so they will probably be here any minute to gag me, tie me up, and shove me into a dark closet. More information can be found at: https://ionomy.com/

Deflective, and antagonistic, (Garza comment did not fit the DaZuru response guidelines, unless you were drinking.) I knew it couldn't be as simple as you have been at it so long you can't stop, or that you would lose credibility, or waiting for a big "told you so." I understand that you are flaming the discussion because you disagree with the accuracy and misinformation of posts from people with direct experience with ION and the community. I do appreciate what information you have shared that was not antagonistic. Probably going to take a step back from talking to you if you don't mind? I understand you feel you are right, and I feel that I am optimistically right. Butting heads isn't going to change either of our minds. It also hurts a little that you didn't make a comment about "Krypto INcome Kost Yearnings", I mean I put in a lot of effort (had to change C's to K's and such) and thought it was pretty darn funny.    I wish you good health and happiness for the New Year.

The only way FIAT comparisons don't matter is if you never intend to cash out. I mean you can buy a lot of stuff with BTC, but I sure would compare the BTC/USD at the time of purchase. What do you mean I didn't purchase it with USD? Are we talking about me taking my USD, buying BTC, then turning right around (well maybe an hour for it to confirm) and purchasing ION is not ultimately purchased with USD? This is using BTC as a currency, not as an investment. If I had used a cow instead of BTC as the intermediary currency, would I have to look at cattle prices for the rest of my life to know if I made a good deal? If I had only kept that cow...could have staked milk out of it and made millions.

I get it. You don't like ION since it can't beat BTC. I assume there are quite a few that you do not like due to this comparison? If so, do they get as much attention on their forums as ION does? I really do not understand why this is such a dedicated campaign of yours? I don't want to read this whole thread to try and read between the lines to figure it out, so can you just tell me what motivates you to work so hard against ION? I can see someone posting their dislike and moving on, but this is really dedicated. Must have a real reason deep down, and not some glib response please?

I think a great number of coins underperformed BTC, doesn't mean they are worthless.

Just because the math gets wonky doesn't mean the math doesn't work out, just harder to prove without putting private specifics on a public forum. I purchased one third of my coins (vague I know) on 2-16-2017 for .05 average cost. Sitting at $3.25 now. Can't see that as being a loss no matter how I try to spin it.

I think the risk is there for any coin, setting a risk factor score would be an interesting idea for a startup?  Kind of like FICO, but we call it KINKY. Krypto INcome Kost Yearnings. What is your KINKY score Mr. ICO? 

Now Suchmoon, don't do what you accused me of doing, picking data points to make your argument look good.    I think our disconnect is the relationship between ION and BTC and the USD. I am not sure of your exact date range, so I think August 20 to December 24 is close to what you have depicted here. BTC went through a huge upward price movement as we all know. The price of ION to BTC went down, but the USD value went up. I did not check, but I imagine this happened to a large number of coins.  I took just the two dates, August 20 and December 24, and entered their prices (from https://coinmarketcap.com historical prices) and show that both BTC and ION went up compared to the USD. It is only natural that ION went down compared to BTC due to BTCs huge increase. So to be fair and accurate, I think your chart needs to point out this information don't you?