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1  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: Playbetr.com steals even the deposit. on: December 16, 2022, 11:25:14 PM
Firstly, I find it hard to believe that Russians are so oblivious to why they've been banned from most sites in 2022. If I were a Russian citizen I'd feel like I have 2 choices.
1. Use VPN and never admit that I'm Russian, play dumb if they catch me, hope that they'll let me off with a warning.
2. Not use any financial service that blocks Russian citizens.

If the casino made it clear that Russians are banned and the use of VPN is also not allowed and you broke both these rules, you can't blame them.

If I were the owner of the casino I'd resolve this but counting up all your deposits, subtract withdrawals and again subtract the remaining number from your current account balance. Therefore, the casino should send you back your deposits and keep all your wins, because you had no right to play in the first place. This is my opinion, you shouldn't be surprised if they take everything from you.

Russia itself blocks bookmakers and casinos. A lot of sites still allow players from Russia to play. But yes, it is impossible without VPN. It is extremely difficult to read the rules and changes of all offices. I was verified as a player from Russia. And it is logical that if players from Russia are forbidden to play, then my account should have been blocked long ago. But that didn't happen. Moreover, I made several deposits, about 50 bets. And everything was fine until I ordered the payment.
2  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: Playbetr.com steals even the deposit. on: December 16, 2022, 11:17:11 PM
Their Terms are clearly that they prohibit users from Russia
OP verified his KYC documents in 2019 despite being a resident of Russia. I think that Russia wasn't included in the 'restricted countries' list of Playbetr terms when he completed the KYC verification. I just found an old post of Playbetr representative about the restricted countries, Russia wasn't in the list in 2019.

Hi Guys, just please don't play from Australia, United Kingdom (and all UK dependencies and territories), and the United States of America (and all US dependencies, military bases and territories), in addition residents of Singapore.  We would love to provide our service to everyone but due to licensing restrictions and regulations we must restrict the countries above.

Perhaps, Russia and few more countries were added in the restricted countries list of Playbetr terms in 2020 or 2021. The situation is a bit complicated here for this reason. I have sent an email to Playbetr support and asked them to give some updates here.

@Virtykza, Maybe you aren't going to receive the refund of those deposits which you had lost there by placing bets. They have returned your last deposit of 0.05 BTC though. In my opinion, Playbetr team should have blocked the access of your account when they added Russia in the restricted countries list, because your account was KYC verified as a Russian resident.

Thank you very much. That's the point, Russia was not in the bloc in 2019. And I registered and played legally. And playbeat is just lying about restrictions since 2018. What everyone should think about. Yes, I was mistaken that I didn't read the new rules. But I repeat, I'm not asking for my winnings back. And I only ask you to return to me all the deposits made since my violation. Their amount is 0.2 bitcoins and not 0.049 bitcoins that were paid to me.
3  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: Playbetr.com steals even the deposit. on: December 16, 2022, 11:10:34 PM
Hurts my eye to read the latest email from Playbetr since the letters are too small even on zoom mode. Maybe take another screenshot and just crop their response part only.

I would assume that they admitted they made a mistake reactivating your account and granting you access in 2019 but they still insist their 2018 TOS then claim that your bet was still invalid.

....I want to even if I broke the rules. Then I think it's fair if all my deposits in the amount of 0.2 bitcoins are returned to me. Stealing customer deposits is a scam. My payment address is 1NRmZZbSCDewErpmgF68FLaiStaxABPmUv
You deposited a total of 0.2 BTC and they returned 0.05 BTC. Is that correct?

Did you lose the 0.15 before your last deposit? No casino would give you a refund if that's the case. Sounds unfair since they should have never allowed you to deposit in the first place but that's like the current standard.

My account balance is 0.226 Bitcoin. In total, I made deposits of 0.2 bitcoins. And only 0.049 bitcoins were returned to me. I agree that I should have re-read the rules before returning to the site . But I think it's fair to return all the deposits to me. And imagine that I never came to play again.
4  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: Playbetr.com steals even the deposit. on: December 16, 2022, 11:04:27 PM
Russia has been not been a permitted region since 2018. This is in our terms of service, and had he attempted to place bets without hiding his location, he would not have been permitted. If he snuck by our KYC team in 2019, it does not mean that play from within Russia was permitted then and certainly does not mean that it is permitted now. His account was not on our radar until recently, because he had a nearly 3 year gap without play until he returned on 23 Nov.

This player's most recent deposit was returned on 13 Dec
https://www.blockchain.com/explorer/transactions/btc/5bb0f91443671a91e6b481d05c2e12550d801c3fc3660d84cb9792555deb0808

We do not refund previously lost deposits, which is standard procedure among all operators, and the recommended action of all mediators. The reason for this is if losses were returned, any player who lost could just come back and break a rule to get their losses back. Additionally, the player was up over 3 BTC from his play in 2019, so he should consider himself fortunate to have received anything back, as we had no obligation to do so.

Unfortunately, I can't see my account and payments on it in 2019. But I can say for sure that I didn't win any 3 bitcoins back then. That's a lot of money. And I did not bypass your verification rules in any way in 2019. I verified as a Russian citizen, playing from Russia, and then your site was not blocked in Russia. Everything you wrote is a lie. As for the payment of 0.049 bitcoin to me, I have made a total of 0.2 bitcoin deposits since November 23. My account balance is 0.226 Bitcoin. You haven't even refunded me all my deposits.
5  Economy / Scam Accusations / Playbetr.com steals even the deposit. on: December 16, 2022, 02:48:36 AM
Good afternoon. My story is like this. In 2019, I registered with this office. After a while, my account was suspended. I have been verified as a player from Russia. I showed them my passport, my place of residence. They unblocked my account and allowed me to play. I didn't use vpn then. Then in Russia their website was not blocked. My betting limits have been cut. That's why I haven't played for several years. Now I found out that my limits have been increased by accidentally visiting the site. I started playing again. I've been playing for over 10 days. Yes, I used vpn. But now in Russia all foreign bookmakers are blocked. While I was making deposits, there were no problems. While I was losing everything was fine. But as soon as I won a little and asked for a payout, my account was blocked. They asked me where I live. I honestly wrote that in Russia. Then all my money was stolen. I made deposits in the amount of 0.2 bitcoins, my account balance is 0.226 bitcoins. But even all my deposits were not returned to me. And only the last one in the amount of 0.05 bitcoin. Which is totally unfair. Next, I will attach my transaction deposits. There are different addresses because they have a denominational one.
Here are my deposits. TxIDcaf2250e965ff5bfe33a9f3c442716a3eaaa3c766d020722a2bc6eedb942781b  TxID 7843e3b246a03f599f652b90fd2481f4a39c1da2c75b55558bb222d3704aa7ff  TxID adfdba8da474391013240482311ad9d3d81acc1ad8dcc49fe7703fdea7233829 TxID 7f9245b9545bc22862b5c84a16b51302a9dd400f111e357ab788f959eeac3ef6
TxID 547426771775d2028dba66d0eb438f75bcb71e0d26623977ddf931ea953b7ac0 .

Here is a screenshot of the letter dated September 27, 2019 about blocking the account.
https://imgur.com/a/eZ4GjNp

And here is a screen of a letter dated September 28, 2019 about unblocking the account.
https://imgur.com/a/ONyjOKT

And here they lie that players from Russia have been blocked from them since 2018.
https://imgur.com/a/AgZXCNt

I want to even if I broke the rules. Then I think it's fair if all my deposits in the amount of 0.2 bitcoins are returned to me. Stealing customer deposits is a scam. My payment address is 1NRmZZbSCDewErpmgF68FLaiStaxABPmUv
6  Economy / Gambling / Re: 🔥Playbetr.com-$10k Casino/Sports ROI Leaderboard Promo🎰BTC ETH LTC XRP DOGE on: December 16, 2022, 02:23:31 AM
~snip~
Previously they had suspected you as multiple account user and blocked your account. What is the new reason for blocking your account? You have posted five transactions link above, all those contain multiple recipients. Therefore, it isn’t easy for the forum member to determine your each deposit.

BTW, I'm wondering why they allowed you to play at Playbetr even though you had verified your identity as a Russian residence! OP isn't active here since last few days. Try to create a scam accusation thread with more evidence and inform Playbetr support team about that. You will get better engagement from the forum members in it.

As per Virtykza , he told that he used to play at Playbetr previously as they had not blocked gamblers from Russia but now since they have blocked the gamblers from Russia, they have blocked his account which contains amount over 0.2 bitcoins which is a big account.
If he is saying right, then it is his right that he gets his money withdrawal and then he may leave the site.

Also, we need to know from when he is playing using VPN ?

When I registered in 2019, I did not use vpn. Back then, bookmakers were not blocked in Russia. I have been verified as a player from Russia. Then I didn't play for several years. Yes, now I've been playing for about 10 days, making deposits. Yes, I used vpn. Now all foreign betting sites are blocked in Russia. I didn't know the rules had changed. The bookmaker saw perfectly well that I was using VPN, but while I was making deposits, everything was fine. As soon as I requested a payout, I got blocked and all my money was taken away. I was paid only the last deposit of 0.05 bitcoin, although the amount of all deposits was 0.2 bitcoin.
7  Economy / Gambling / Re: 🔥Playbetr.com-$10k Casino/Sports ROI Leaderboard Promo🎰BTC ETH LTC XRP DOGE on: December 16, 2022, 02:15:30 AM
~snip~
Previously they had suspected you as multiple account user and blocked your account. What is the new reason for blocking your account? You have posted five transactions link above, all those contain multiple recipients. Therefore, it isn’t easy for the forum member to determine your each deposit.

BTW, I'm wondering why they allowed you to play at Playbetr even though you had verified your identity as a Russian residence! OP isn't active here since last few days. Try to create a scam accusation thread with more evidence and inform Playbetr support team about that. You will get better engagement from the forum members in it.

Hello. I do not know why in 2019 I was suspected of multiaccounting. I passed the check and the account was exposed. Then I didn't use vpn. I provided the documents that I am from Russia and there were no questions for me. Now I decided to play again and played for 10 days and no one blocked me while I was making deposits. Deposits in total were 0.2 btc. the deposit address changed in playbetr because it is different. As soon as I ordered the payment, my account was blocked without explanation. They started asking where I was. Which I answered honestly. Then they didn't even check my money, but just stole everything. By returning not all deposits, but only the last one in 0.05 bitcoin. Well, even if I broke the rules by playing from the wrong location, I should get all the deposits back, not just one.
I reported to the playbetr service. But they lie that they have banned players from Russia since 2018. In September 2019, I was tested as a player from Russia. In Russia, all bookmakers are blocked except those that are registered in Russia, I can't get to their website without VPN. I didn't know the rules had changed. But even so, I think it's fair that all deposits in the amount of 0.2 bitcoins are returned to me. And not just the last one.
8  Economy / Gambling / Re: 🔥Playbetr.com-$10k Casino/Sports ROI Leaderboard Promo🎰BTC ETH LTC XRP DOGE on: December 13, 2022, 02:32:11 AM
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5100533.msg52577694#msg52577694

Even in this thread there are my posts from 2019. When I first got tested. And I passed it as a player from Russia without any vpn and other things. And there were no restrictions for me. In addition to reducing the limit on bets, which was then increased.
9  Economy / Gambling / Re: 🔥Playbetr.com-$10k Casino/Sports ROI Leaderboard Promo🎰BTC ETH LTC XRP DOGE on: December 13, 2022, 02:24:17 AM
Hello. My login is Virtykza. I have been betting with you for over 3 years. Previously, my account has already been verified and everything was fine. Yes, I really played from Russia, but I didn’t hide behind vpn. It's just that gambling sites are blocked in Russia. You write a lie that since 2018 you do not accept players from Russia. I have been betting with you since 2019 from Russia and passed all the verifications and had no questions for me. Further, the sum of all my deposits is 0.2 bitcoins and my account balance is 0.226 bitcoins. I won a tiny amount of 0.026 BTC. And you say that I put something dishonestly, it's just ridiculous. I ask you to honestly understand the situation and either return the amount of all my deposits to me, which is 0.2 bitcoins, or return my account balance to me in full 0.226 bitcoins. To the address 1NRmZZbSCDewErpmgF68FLaiStaxABPmUv .

Here are my deposits. TxIDcaf2250e965ff5bfe33a9f3c442716a3eaaa3c766d020722a2bc6eedb942781b  TxID 7843e3b246a03f599f652b90fd2481f4a39c1da2c75b55558bb222d3704aa7ff  TxID adfdba8da474391013240482311ad9d3d81acc1ad8dcc49fe7703fdea7233829 TxID 7f9245b9545bc22862b5c84a16b51302a9dd400f111e357ab788f959eeac3ef6
TxID 547426771775d2028dba66d0eb438f75bcb71e0d26623977ddf931ea953b7ac0 .
Also in personal correspondence, I can show the correspondence with your support service from 2019, where my documents and me as a player from Russia are confirmed and there are no problems.
10  Economy / Gambling / Re: 🔥Playbetr.com🔥The Crypto Casino Sportsbook LIVE Dice 15 Coins-BTC ETH XMR+🔥 on: October 09, 2019, 03:00:28 AM
Hi, your account is under review and we hope to have the review completed shortly, but as you already know, your account is open.  It was suspended and passed to management for the review at which point it was opened while the review continued.  We will follow up with you via email shortly. 

Why some accounts are getting suspended on your website?
Are some rules getting broken or what, and what is not allowed?

Please answer when you can, before I create account.
Thanks

How many accounts are suspended, so you can say "some"? Even if there are some accounts are suspended then there must be at least a valid reason to do it and they may not reveal it publicly. You can create your own account, no need to worry if you just want to create an account unless you are planning to do something against the rules of playbetr.
My account is still find here, I created it long time ago just after they created this ANN thread. As long as you follow the rules, I'm sure no sites will suspend your account. If there is a site do such thing (suspend an account) with no valid reason then the site must be a scam site.

Yes, if You do not plan to win. Your account will always be fine.  Yes and wanted to would add no bonuses I not routinely received and I first time registered on this site.

Your account was blocked due to do suspected multi-accounting as was discussed, however once the review was complete it was immediately opened.  Regarding the max wager amounts it should vary depending on the event, type of wager and overall action on a particular wager.  Max's for popular games are as high as 5,000 chips however with higher VIP levels the max wager can go higher. 

Regarding your bonus, we are preparing a very exciting sports bonus, however at this time due not have a sports bonus program.

We do have a casino bonus which is in your account and you can access by logging in and clicking the casino bonus tab.  Thank you and good luck.

That's not true. You know perfectly well that My account was blocked due to the fact that I was lucky and I won. Who prevents you from pursuing a policy know your client before betting if you are afraid of multi-accounting. Yes, because You do not care who Your client is, and multiaccounting is also not important, as long as the client does not win consistently.  About maximum rates is also false. If at first I could bet on basketball for $ 500 or more, then after winning I could not bet on similar events more than $ 50. You cut the betting limit for successful players. However, so do a lot of bookmakers there is nothing to be ashamed of. You can just admit it.
11  Economy / Gambling / Re: 🔥Playbetr.com🔥The Crypto Casino Sportsbook LIVE Dice 15 Coins-BTC ETH XMR+🔥 on: October 08, 2019, 09:27:28 PM
Hi, your account is under review and we hope to have the review completed shortly, but as you already know, your account is open.  It was suspended and passed to management for the review at which point it was opened while the review continued.  We will follow up with you via email shortly. 

Why some accounts are getting suspended on your website?
Are some rules getting broken or what, and what is not allowed?

Please answer when you can, before I create account.
Thanks

How many accounts are suspended, so you can say "some"? Even if there are some accounts are suspended then there must be at least a valid reason to do it and they may not reveal it publicly. You can create your own account, no need to worry if you just want to create an account unless you are planning to do something against the rules of playbetr.
My account is still find here, I created it long time ago just after they created this ANN thread. As long as you follow the rules, I'm sure no sites will suspend your account. If there is a site do such thing (suspend an account) with no valid reason then the site must be a scam site.

Yes, if You do not plan to win. Your account will always be fine.  Yes and wanted to would add no bonuses I not routinely received and I first time registered on this site.
12  Economy / Gambling / Re: 🔥Playbetr.com🔥The Crypto Casino Sportsbook LIVE Dice 15 Coins-BTC ETH XMR+🔥 on: October 08, 2019, 09:20:12 PM
Hi, your account is under review and we hope to have the review completed shortly, but as you already know, your account is open.  It was suspended and passed to management for the review at which point it was opened while the review continued.  We will follow up with you via email shortly. 

Why some accounts are getting suspended on your website?
Are some rules getting broken or what, and what is not allowed?

Please answer when you can, before I create account.
Thanks

Hello. Yes my account was blocked for a few days. I was asked for photos of documents plus asked a lot of questions about my rates. I didn't do anything special or suspicious. I made bets on basketball in the range of 300-500 dollars, on top Championships, Spain, Italy, etc. I was lucky I made 500 dollars to the account, and won more than 3000 dollars. And then my account was blocked. I'm sure if I lost there would be no blocking. As a result, I was paid the winnings and the account was unlocked but the maximum bet was reduced to 50 dollars for almost any event. The next play made no sense.
13  Economy / Gambling / Re: 🔥Playbetr.com🔥The Crypto Casino Sportsbook LIVE Dice 15 Coins-BTC ETH XMR+🔥 on: September 27, 2019, 04:06:44 PM
Website is undergoing maintenance and will be fully available in 1 hour.  We apologize for any inconvenience. 

Back up and running in full at www.Playbetr.com.  Thank you.

Hello. I registered on Your site a few days ago. My username Virtykza. My account was suspended yesterday. It is not clear why. I sent You in support support@playbetr.com photos of their documents. I bet on a large number of leagues online, this is the Spanish, Italian, German, Russian VTB basketball League. Rates were not very big on my view 300-500 dollars. It so happened that almost all the bets won. I guess that's why I got the account suspended. Am asking You deal in situation and unlock my expense. I didn't break any rules.
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