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401  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Visa and Banks After BTC on: June 23, 2011, 11:07:02 AM
This is an anonymous forum where anyone can join. We have no way of telling whether you are a troll.

FUD posts like this one should automatically be considered trolling. Until proven otherwise.

I'm am not saying that you definitely are are troll, but give us some proof, or a least plausibility, that you know those "sources", or stop polluting this forum with FUD posts.
402  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: From reddit: MtGox might have lost control to the majority of their BTC deposit on: June 22, 2011, 04:41:14 PM
There is one more plausible explanation that the author hasn't considered:

mtgox regularly moves coins from ancient mining addresses to newer ones.
403  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Curious - Bitcoin is still beta - why should I invest? on: June 22, 2011, 04:10:08 PM
Hi, I've been reading up on Bitcoin and I think it's a fantastic concept, and would love to invest a bit of money in it, but isn't it still early beta?  Why are people putting money into an early beta version of the coin network?

Yes, bitcoin is still very much experimental. Those people are taking a big risk, and hoping to pick up BTC at bargain prices, before bitcoin is more proven and institutional investors like you start to move in.

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and find the lack of security in the client disturbing (why doesn't the program require the user to encrypt critical files on first start?).

Because that doesn't achieve shit when most users are running bitcoin on leaky, malware-infested Windows machines.  Security in the client isn't the weak link that needs to be fixed. It's security in the OS, and developers have simply lacked the resources so far. Remember they are all volunteers.


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Also, in spite of the talk of 'secure' transactions, I find infinitely more security in holding dollars or stocks. It's easy to invest in dollars held at U.S. depositories because the Federal Government provides a guaranteed $100,000 safety net (I believe in the fed more than some mysterious guy who may or may not have plugged in a backdoor in the source), and if you hold securities at a U.S. brokerage protected by the SIPC you'll recover your stocks in the case of fraud.

They can promise you a lot of things. Will they actually deliver if the shit hits the fan? All you have is their word.  With bitcoin, you don't need to trust a person, because you can trust the mathematics.

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Could someone explain to me, the boneheaded noob, what separates the security of Bitcoin from an institutional fraudster like Bernie Madoff?

Nobody is promising or guaranteeing you anything. Everything is open.
404  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: What's the most important next step for a better functioning bitcoin economy? on: June 22, 2011, 03:07:18 PM
most people could care less about the underlying principle of bitcoin, 99.99% of people don't care about some tinfoil conspiracy theory about currency manipulation by the fed.

99.99% of people in the USA perhaps. Please remember that USA != World and that Americans may be a large minority, but a minority nonetheless among Bitcoin users.

Today, many countries in the world face the threat of a currency crisis, including America.  This isn't some crackhead dystopian fantasy. This is a real threat. How do I know this? Because even big corporations' CFOs are taking steps to be prepared for a possible collapse of the EUR for instance. Money doesn't lie.

I have experienced a currency crisis first hand when I was a child, where people lost more than half of their cash savings overnight.  It is a traumatic experience that scars people for life.  Those kind of people are emotionally attracted to a currency that can't be manipulated.  Currency crises happened as recently as 2001 in Argentina and 1998 in Russia. Those aren't exactly small countries.

Americans perhaps don't feel that way because they live in a bubble.  They feel that just because something has never happened it will never happen. If (when?) a currency crisis hits the US, it will take everyone by surprise, and it will be ugly, and then ordinary people will come flocking to alternative currencies.
405  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: What's the most important next step for a better functioning bitcoin economy? on: June 22, 2011, 01:29:07 PM
We need a user-friendly preconfigured live-USB Drive, and we need to make it clear to users that running bitcoin from inside their windows or mac OS is unsafe.  This liveUSB needs to be made availble right at the bitcoin.org front page.

For-profit hackers are going to find more and more sophisticated ways of getting into people's systems. The average Windows/Mac user simply does not stand a chance against an attack targeted at stealing her/his wallets, no matter how many firewalls and antiviruses she/he installs.  Also, it is unreasonable of us to expect them to be security experts.

If that doesn't happen soon, there will be thousands of cases of wallet theft and even more bad press.

EDIT: Even a liveUSB is only going to hold off the hacker storm temporarily, because it doesn't protect against rootkit, MBR, and BIOS attacks.  In the long term the only satisfactory solution for the average joe user is a dedicated piece of hardware just for bitcoin (perhaps based on a cheap smartphone).
406  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: [Guide] Saving your wallet.dat to PAPER on: June 22, 2011, 01:09:49 PM
For ultimate security, you can encrypt your wallet, use paperback, then get a tattoo of the bitmap.

Bad idea. In all likelihood, Paperback will be defunct and forgotten 30-40 years from now.  Good luck retrieving the information from the bitmap then!

See:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/6265976.stm

To be safe, you would have to tattoo the entire source code (or at least pseudocode) of Paperback in addition to the bitmap. 


A much better idea is to convert the wallet keypair to a QR code and tattoo that code in UV ink.

QR codes are ISO-standardized, so even if they become obsolete, you will always be able to find the old technical papers that tell you how to convert them back to the keypair.
407  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin 2.0 - Bitcoin backed by "junk silver" - coin dealers become exchanges on: June 22, 2011, 11:38:13 AM
Your idea is nothing new. It is not bitcoin 2.0. It is e-gold 299.0
408  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Security on: June 22, 2011, 08:18:10 AM
Security must be simple

Security can't  be simple. I've never seen an online banking site that was simple to use. And for good reason.
409  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Good News: Mt.Gox has a new logo!! on: June 22, 2011, 08:00:16 AM
and it looks very nice!

Now to the bad news...

Mt. Gox got hacked!

Who cares? It's all about perception.
410  Other / Meta / Re: Kill the Politics forum on: June 22, 2011, 07:53:58 AM
2) Bitcoin is dying in front of our eyes because of people naive enough to think reality trumps perception.

You are being just as lurid about the problems facing bitcoin right now as the media you are criticizing.

Step back a little.  Tabloid journalists are going to sling mud at bitcoin, no matter what. There is little we can do about that.   Technologies that challenge people's perception of the status quo always tend to provoke that kind of reaction, initially.  

Remember all the bad press and ridicule that Wikipedia faced just after it gained mainstream attention?  

What we can do is increase the amount of positive coverage in media consumed by the decision makers in our societies.  Luckily, coverage has been more positive in those media so far (specifically The Economist and Der Spiegel)

Bitcoin is facing challenges, but it won't die if we don't let it die. It grew a little bit too fast initially.  The bare bones infrastructure (the bitcoin protocol) seems to be solid now. The next step will be to build user-friendly tools (eg. wallet security software) that will unleash the power of that infrastructure. But that takes time.
411  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Suggestions for an Orderly MT. Gox Market on: June 21, 2011, 06:44:36 PM
but trades on a given exchange should be limited to business hours in some chosen locale.

Or how about this?  Exchange opens every second Tuesday of each month between 9:15 am and 9:45 am, and every third Thursday between 4:00 pm and 4:30 pm (Tokyo time). Closed for vacation in the months of July and August.

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It is absolutely absurd that the Bitcoin price was allowed to crash from $17.50 to $0.01 on Mt. Gox.  

This was the equivalent of your local supermarket running out of beer on a Saturday evening, because somebody threw a huge party and bought up the entire stock.   That doesn't mean there won't be any beer on Monday or that you can't find beer in the neighbouring town's supermarket (for the normal market price).

If bitcoin traders are too stupid to grasp this then quite frankly I've lost faith in humanity and think that humanity doesn't deserve bitcoin.
412  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Corruption within Bitcoin community on: June 21, 2011, 03:11:31 PM
Corruption = abuse of power by an authority that has been granted this power by the people it represents.   An authority that acts in its own best interest rather than in the interest of the people it represents.

In the bitcoin community there is no authority.  There is no representation. There are no "social contracts", implicit or explicit. Nobody is in charge.

So by definition, there is no corruption.

Sure, the distribution of power is not equal among community members, and some powerful members may be acting in their own best interest rather than in the interest of the community at large. But that isn't corruption.

And there certainly is equal opportunity for power.
413  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Who has the authority? on: June 21, 2011, 02:58:03 PM
Everybody, please realize this important truth about Bitcoin:

You only own what you control.  You lose ownership of your Bitcoins the minute you cede control over them to somebody else.  Simple as that.

I'm not saying this is a good thing or bad thing. I'm not saying that this is how it should be. All I'm saying is that this is how it is.  That is the way bitcoin is designed to work.  Don't treat them like credit or physical property because they are not.
414  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: When they roll-back the trades, where will the missing coins come from? on: June 21, 2011, 11:43:30 AM
From nowhere. We have just witnessed the unintentional creation of the first fractional reserve bitcoin bank.  Wink
415  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: EFF donations and the Bitcoin Faucet on: June 21, 2011, 10:18:17 AM
If you donated bitcoins to the EFF, you gave them to the EFF to do with as they wish. Asking for them back is not reasonable.

Asking for them back is reasonable, considering they don't want them.

What is not reasonable is expecting to get them back. But asking never hurts.
416  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Are 24/hr Trades Really That Good Of An Idea? on: June 21, 2011, 09:54:53 AM
There are other solutions apart from shutting down the market, which can't be done anyhow. If one exchange closes during the weekend a competitor will happily step in and grab the customers who do want to trade while the other exchange is closed.

The most obvious solution is to hire a professional team of traders to do the trading for you while you are sleeping.
So investors who want to invest any serious amount of money, have to hire professional teams to manage their money 24/7 ? How can you consider this a serious option Huh

Obviously you don't hire a team just for yourself.  You join a managed investment fund.

This is what most investors are already doing for almost any commodity apart from bitcoin.
417  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Are 24/hr Trades Really That Good Of An Idea? on: June 21, 2011, 09:46:11 AM
There are other solutions apart from shutting down the market, which can't be done anyhow. If one exchange closes during the weekend a competitor will happily step in and grab the customers who do want to trade while the other exchange is closed.

The most obvious solution is to hire a professional team of traders to do the trading for you while you are sleeping
418  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Place your bets: the price of bitcoin after Mt.gox opens on: June 21, 2011, 09:05:00 AM
Immediate collapse to almost zero, followed by a bubble up to $30 again as buyers get excited.

That would be a lottery. I bet that as soon as it reopens the site will be overwhelmed and the majority of orders will end up in the queue for at least 10 minutes before being executed.

The few people who actually manage to buy BTC for almost zero will be the ones who placed the order just in the right microsecond. 

I for one, am going to be clicking the refresh button like mad starting from 3 minutes before opening time.
419  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Is it a Bitcoin web developer's goal to create ugly website? on: June 21, 2011, 08:35:07 AM
Let's see your site then?

You can see my portfolio. Tongue

http://bit.ly/kBsL7I

No offense, but your web design looks sooooo 2000's.
420  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: EFF donations and the Bitcoin Faucet on: June 21, 2011, 08:07:10 AM
RE: refunding donations by proving you own one of the private keys that donated:  interesting idea!  Anybody willing to write code to do that?  Could be a fun project... (find all the transactions that donated to EFF, dig out the public keys, come up with a way to sign/verify a message with private key proving you own a public key, then keep track of which donation transactions have already been refunded)


After thinking about this a little bit more, I have reconsidered ... this is a very bad idea.

During bitcoin's more innocent times, I kept my wallet.dat files unencrypted on my main laptop. I use this laptop to try out new stuff and browse the web with plugins activated, so it has a huge attack surface.

I have long since moved all my bitcoins to offline savings wallets and a spending wallet on a dedicated netbook.

But those old wallet files with zero balance in them should be considered tainted.  Even if I move them offline and format my HD it's too late.  I am making the assumption that they have been harvested by hackers already.  The problem is, my EFF donation happened such a long time ago that it came from one of those wallets.

The last thing we need right now is EFF donations being reclaimed by hackers!
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