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121  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] BlackCoin (BC) | PoS | No premine | No IPO on: May 04, 2014, 08:01:04 PM


I understand the funding is to buy certain contacts and gain exposure. but there are other ways to accomplish the same thing rather then a 90day balls out approach that will cost 30K.


Please don't take this the wrong way, but how? I am really asking. Present your ideas in a clear and concise manner and people will surely donate (if that's necessary).


Actually i don't have all the answerers m8.
But no one bothered to ask before the decision was taken about the PR company.

I like the fact there is now a thread on Reddit for input, sadly I think it should have come prior to commitment to such a large single $$ project.

I am still not convinced by the 3rd party PR company hence you have no donation from me as yet ,but we are here to be convinced and open to discuss if it IS the best option.

Sadly i feel its a little like locking the door after the horse has bolted.

122  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] BlackCoin (BC) | PoS | No premine | No IPO on: May 04, 2014, 07:55:11 PM


Thank you for the relative transparency .......................SNIP.......................

+1 i like that fact your digging for transparency also.
123  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] BlackCoin (BC) | PoS | No premine | No IPO on: May 04, 2014, 07:50:56 PM


WTF are you babbling about? I HAVE to convert it to FIAT first before I can use it. Tell me genius how do I pay for everything if it is not converted to FIAT? Are you seriously suggesting that I should keep the coins in cold storage until it is needed? Because if you are then you sir should never take donations. BTC could drop to $300 tomorrow and then the value of the donations will decrease..WOW

You didn't get the memo? "Operation Discredit" was called off...





Nothing wrong with the way you have done it - even the other fund state value in $US, so they must have converted to FIAT.

Just keep up updating us how close to the target we are in $$ terms so we can figure out if we can hit it.

BTW if we miss it due to low donations, then what ? (don't refund but maybe a time extension or a water down version??)

thanks
124  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] BlackCoin (BC) | PoS | No premine | No IPO on: May 04, 2014, 07:46:29 PM
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Your making the assumption that the PR company know about how to market a crypto coin or its concept. Again, its about having past performance to gauge them on. Since its such a secret who they are, then we can only assume.
And as i have stated several times previously - Something that has $x cost does not instantly make it worth $x, its about value.

And I think you do Professors and final graduates a great injustice. Some of the best thinking and fresh ideas comes from fresh minds -exactly what Crypto needs.
Why do you think the technology companies have such a massive presence on Universities ?

Its not a can of beans, a fizzy beverage or an imported SUV.

If PR companies cannot understand crypto, how do you expect students to be able to?
Different age, not blinded by their past techniques - exactly why technology companies recruit from universities. They then are managed. You think a PR company will have seasoned PR executives doing the donkey work or interns ?

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It's about the message, people, society, psychological trends, building business plans etc etc. These are things they deal with everyday. Furthermore do you honestly believe they will go in blind? Do you not think they will be researching every area (Or that they will not call upon an informed individual) of the subject to make sure they know both the social and political outcomes that might occur? These companies will deal with a variety of product consistently. Do you think they will know everything about the fizzy drink, or the SUV industry, or the bean industry by magic? No, they research, or they find people that know about these markets.
Do you think they would work as hard as someone who NEEDS to prove themselves to secure their future/job ?
Not when they are getting paid regardless. Zero accountability if it does not succeed for them 'hey we did what we said we would, sorry it did not work out'.
I can't say what is best - but i can sure ask the question and throw some differing ideas.

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The reason you go with proven portfolios over cheap unproven talent is because you have credibility.
I can't answer this as I am not informed about the WHO -obviously you are.

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Would you walk into a Uni and ask a medical student to give you a heart transplant because it's cheap? No, you wouldn't.
Actually, they do have medical students in surgery. But that is slightly different and a very poor analogy.


I understand the funding is to buy certain contacts and gain exposure. but there are other ways to accomplish the same thing rather then a 90day balls out approach that will cost 30K.

I do have a little experience in marketing, however its mostly in Premier league Football(English), so can only base my POV from what I see there.
125  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] BlackCoin (BC) | PoS | No premine | No IPO on: May 04, 2014, 07:19:15 PM

Its not a can of beans, a fizzy beverage or an imported SUV.




The company we have selected specializes in tech PR. They provided the presentation we previously attached. The rep we went with was selected due to his familiarity with Crypto.

Again i asked this previously, what are you actually securing from them with $30K ? just a retainer of service or specific campaigns ?
126  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] BlackCoin (BC) | PoS | No premine | No IPO on: May 04, 2014, 07:17:16 PM
CAN ICONIC ANSWER HOW UCH BTC HE HAS COLLECTED? LIKE 50 PAGES AGO SOMEONE DID THE MATH AND SAYS HES OVER 12K. I HAVE SEEN 3 OTHER PEOPLE ASK HIM TO VERIFY HOW MUCH HE HAS RECEIVED AND HE HAS IGNORED THEM JUST TO FURTHER THIS STUPID FIGHT THATS GOING ON. THE BLOCKCHAIN SHOWS THAT YOU ARE MOVING OUT THE BTC AS FAST AS ITS COMING IN. SO I ASK YOU. HOW MUCH HAVE YOU MADE IN DONATIONS?

Look at my previous posts! I ANSWERED this yesterday.

I think he is possibly referring to a post I made that probably got overlooked by you in the middle of all the FUD.


I just asked for an update and if possible could we get a daily update showing where we are at with regards to the funding status, please  Smiley
127  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] BlackCoin (BC) | PoS | No premine | No IPO on: May 04, 2014, 07:14:37 PM
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Everyone is assuming that the PR company is going to incessantly spew out bastardized advertising. If it does this, then I will not agree with the initiative. I am under the impression however, that the role of the PR team is to build a tactile and developed strategy for implementing Blackcoin and helping to build it's infrastructure.

I.E If the PR team's job is to aid in getting Blackcoin adopted by traders (helping with pitches etc), identifying weaknesses with it's message and potential implementation then I am fully 100% behind it. These are the fundamentals we need to be working on right now and a plan for this is badly needed to unify the message. We need to be working out how we can actually develop a supply and demand for Blackcoin and if that is the PR teams job, which is what I imagine it to be, then great. That is a logical step right now. That is why I am not currently against it.

It is a massive amount of money for very little return.

Something that could have been taken to most universities that would have been cheaper, more pro-active and probably yielded better results.

I teach at a Uni and I have to say that there is no substitute for real project experience. Whilst you can find a lot of talented people with potential, many have not been exposed to the stresses of actually doing what they are learning under pressure and with money involved.

If you want to do things properly and want a good output, you need to pay for it, it's as simple as that. If you don't do this you not only undercut entire professions, but you devalue their experience and expertise.

I don't understand how on the one hand people want the campaigns for Blackcoin to be super professional and then expect them to be cheap, it just doesn't work like that.

TIME
COST
QUALITY

Pick two of those.



Your making the assumption that the PR company know about how to market a crypto coin or its concept. Again, its about having past performance to gauge them on. Since its such a secret who they are, then we can only assume.
And as i have stated several times previously - Something that has $x cost does not instantly make it worth $x, its about value.

And I think you do Professors and final graduates a great injustice. Some of the best thinking and fresh ideas comes from fresh minds -exactly what Crypto needs.
Why do you think the technology companies have such a massive presence on Universities ?

Its not a can of beans, a fizzy beverage or an imported SUV.


128  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] BlackCoin (BC) | PoS | No premine | No IPO on: May 04, 2014, 07:02:03 PM
STUFF........................................................

I think we are moved on m8.

Need ideas about the way forwards rather then people continuing to talk about the past. Whats done is done, what can be done is yet to be decided. Smiley
129  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] BlackCoin (BC) | PoS | No premine | No IPO on: May 04, 2014, 06:55:07 PM
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Everyone is assuming that the PR company is going to incessantly spew out bastardized advertising. If it does this, then I will not agree with the initiative. I am under the impression however, that the role of the PR team is to build a tactile and developed strategy for implementing Blackcoin and helping to build it's infrastructure.

I.E If the PR team's job is to aid in getting Blackcoin adopted by traders (helping with pitches etc), identifying weaknesses with it's message and potential implementation then I am fully 100% behind it. These are the fundamentals we need to be working on right now and a plan for this is badly needed to unify the message. We need to be working out how we can actually develop a supply and demand for Blackcoin and if that is the PR teams job, which is what I imagine it to be, then great. That is a logical step right now. That is why I am not currently against it.

It is a massive amount of money for very little return.

Something that could have been taken to most universities that would have been cheaper, more pro-active and probably yielded better results.
130  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] BlackCoin (BC) | PoS | No premine | No IPO on: May 04, 2014, 04:42:55 PM
just a little fyi

I sent 20 btc to mintpal on friday to buy more blackcoins.
but all this squabbling is making me hold back pulling the trigger.

I hold a lot of blackcoins, and i was thinking that the drive to a dollar was just around the corner, I still think it may be but all this foundation bashing and iconic slamming has to stop.  unlike iconic who has to much to lose to actually sell out, us small, do nothing investers will take profits and hold if we see things going south

cheers and hope

bitcoin carpenter

Still a massive amount of day traders in BC.
Those can't be considered do nothing as they keep the activity and volume buoyant.

I tend to day trade other coins and throw my profit( little) into BC or to any development/PR fund i feel has answered my basic criteria.
131  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] BlackCoin (BC) | PoS | No premine | No IPO on: May 04, 2014, 04:13:35 PM
Without picking one above the other, IF and it is a massive contentious point for me, IF the PR projects will be open and transparent to the use of funds freely given by the community I do not see an issue with anyone's PR projects no matter how crazy they might seem.

However, if there is profit to be made for their time, then state this.
I do not think the majority of us care to much if the Dev, promoter etc gets paid for his time so long as it is fair, reasonable and proportional.


But big $$ projects need to be in some logical order.


PR needs to learn to walk before Run and it honestly do not consider $30K for just securing a PR companies support a good use of funds.

There is no way in a million years that a PR company can force news to happen.
The reason why (cheesy maybe) public stunts work is that they do get maximum coverage for the money involved.


I am sure we all have some ideas for PR, hell why don't you have a competition to pony up $10K funding to the best voted idea.

have a little trust in the community's ability to decide







In a way we are asking the community to decide this... with insight from an established PR firm. See here: http://www.reddit.com/r/blackcoin/comments/24p7i5/pr_firm_transparency_and_please_list_your_ideas/


not really, you have asked for donations and have just decided you will engaging the unknown PR company without any information about what they will actually do.
No information certainly means blindly following the PR team, and even though you might be nice guys - after that blackcast some need a few basic lessons in PR and image.


Throwing $10K of paper wallets (with say $25ea) off the top of some building in NY would probable yield more publicity.
Speak with Edu91 about securing his wallets - load them with $25 and get going Smiley




132  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] BlackCoin (BC) | PoS | No premine | No IPO on: May 04, 2014, 03:47:02 PM
Without picking one above the other, IF and it is a massive contentious point for me, IF the PR projects will be open and transparent to the use of funds freely given by the community I do not see an issue with anyone's PR projects no matter how crazy they might seem.

However, if there is profit to be made for their time, then state this.
I do not think the majority of us care to much if the Dev, promoter etc gets paid for his time so long as it is fair, reasonable and proportional.


But big $$ projects need to be in some logical order.


PR needs to learn to walk before Run and it honestly do not consider $30K for just securing a PR companies support a good use of funds.

There is no way in a million years that a PR company can force news to happen.
The reason why (cheesy maybe) public stunts work is that they do get maximum coverage for the money involved.


I am sure we all have some ideas for PR, hell why don't you have a competition to pony up $10K funding to the best voted idea.

have a little trust in the community's ability to decide





133  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] BlackCoin (BC) | PoS | No premine | No IPO on: May 04, 2014, 03:06:58 PM
So, on the plus side, who is really forward to the next BlackCast? Tongue
won't watch it and won't recommend it to anyone as long as pool boy is in it.

It was just like watching an episode from Jerry Springer for me.

I have seen more professional MMO game casts.

You want to portray a certain image, then there are certain does and don't s.
Lets face it - image is everything when there is nothing physical to sell.
134  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] BlackCoin (BC) | PoS | No premine | No IPO on: May 04, 2014, 03:02:20 PM
and still you fucking idiots throw shit about knowing all the time that you are helping to destroy this great coin. idiots and iconic??? where is my response?Huh

What do you want me to respond with? I know it is hard to keep track with all this FUD, but please look at my recent posts. This morning I attempted to take the high ground and laughed off the juvenile video made of me. I then called for everyone to get back to the business of making money. Now we are back to the antics of yesterday. All you have to do is follow my posts....

This can easily be resolved...the Devs, the Foundation, and the rest of the people who support them go to Reddit and BlackCoinTalk. The rest of us stay here and get back to business. I will not post anything negative about them, and they refrain from posting anything negative about me. I do not understand why this is so hard....

The problem is, even if you and say a (just for an example) TheBlackDogeOfWallStreet came to an agreement about a particular topic - there are so many others Egos within their group (clearly) that there is no one singular voice or direction for them.

Obviously, you can please some people some of the time, but not all people all of the time.

135  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] BlackCoin (BC) | PoS | No premine | No IPO on: May 04, 2014, 02:49:49 PM



LOL


now is that IE or WIZ ?   Grin
136  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] BlackCoin (BC) | PoS | No premine | No IPO on: May 04, 2014, 02:48:55 PM
and still you fucking idiots throw shit about knowing all the time that you are helping to destroy this great coin. idiots and iconic??? where is my response?Huh

by the nature of your post , you are taking part in, (and therfore promoting), the the very thing your supposedly complaining about/against - idiot?

 just fucking stop,thats it, thats all there is to it. get over your selves and grow up


 Shocked Huh Grin

137  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] BlackCoin (BC) | PoS | No premine | No IPO on: May 04, 2014, 02:46:27 PM
IE - can we get a funds update on the project as it stands ?


maybe you could do a daily target post with just where we are up to from the total ?
138  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] BlackCoin (BC) | PoS | No premine | No IPO on: May 04, 2014, 02:42:46 PM
and still you fucking idiots throw shit about knowing all the time that you are helping to destroy this great coin. idiots and iconic??? where is my response?Huh

by the nature of your post , you are taking part in, (and therfore promoting), the the very thing your supposedly complaining about/against - idiot?
139  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] BlackCoin (BC) | PoS | No premine | No IPO on: May 04, 2014, 02:39:41 PM
These are the people you want to trust with your money??? WOW....

IE you blackmailed the devs, along with the entire BC community about dumping your stash (and crashing the BC). You're not exactly the shining knight here. That is inexcusable and you owe the entire BC community an apology for that alone.

And you've done that before too. The difference is, this time the devs said, "go ahead and do it".

Might be semantics, but I don't recall reading ' I AM DUMPING MY COINS'

Similar things have been said by IE and some from the 'foundation', so you all owe us an apology, especially considering you all acted like dicks.


Oh and no one has yet answered my question point about TRANSPARENCY - (as expected).
140  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] BlackCoin (BC) | PoS | No premine | No IPO on: May 04, 2014, 02:32:46 PM
A spam campaign is underway from (IRC i guess) to spam the 'MOVE message'

usual posters, usual posters 2nd/3rd accounts all spamming.


I can't wait for them to never return and this thread return to constructive posts/link tyvm off you go.

And what have you done for this coin?

Except buy it? Smiley Thanks for that ^^

Honestly. Good posts getting burried in this thread because some crazy flamewar started..

We need a channel where we can ALL talk and get on one line..

And I dont know how/ where. Suggestions?

ironic post is ironic I guess Wink
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