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Those are some of the secondary steps that a casino could take to fool you and scam your out of your own money but main priority for gamblers is that casino games should be probably fair and you can verify your bets with it as it provides some sort of guarantee that house is not cheating in any manner and result were random.But still there could be problematic situation after that like change in probably fair script or bugs that can cause breach.But most casino now prefer to have them as players want them.
It's provably fair, not probably fair. Online casinos and casinos that accept cryptocurrencies have to provide provably fair gambling and they have to write tutorial on how to verify provably fair on their casinos. You can not trust them, verify on your side. Thanks for correcting it as by mistake it was typed but if we solely rely on the house then it's our fault and that's why bets need to be verified on our end also to know the outcome were random not pre-determined as security of funds is involved in it. Exactly, when it comes to online relations and especially with the money involved, you should not trust anyone. As far as the casinos go, you should always verify your bets no matter if you win or lose. Those are some of the secondary steps that a casino could take to fool you and scam your out of your own money but main priority for gamblers is that casino games should be probably fair and you can verify your bets with it as it provides some sort of guarantee that house is not cheating in any manner and result were random.But still there could be problematic situation after that like change in probably fair script or bugs that can cause breach.But most casino now prefer to have them as players want them.
It's provably fair, not probably fair. Online casinos and casinos that accept cryptocurrencies have to provide provably fair gambling and they have to write tutorial on how to verify provably fair on their casinos. You can not trust them, verify on your side. By the looks of it we could some of them probably fair lol  . Joke aside I have to say that there are so many methods that casinos scam people that provably fair became a lot less important part of it. You deposit your money there and until you withdraw it there is a chance that they could scam you. There are ones that scam everyone and close shop and keep all the deposited money when it reaches a certain level, there are ones that block certain accounts with certain amounts in them (not cents but not huge amount, just middle) and there are many other methods that casinos scam people even while having provably fair gambling option. So it really became not the most important thing if you ask me. Fair point, casinos can so to say "annoy you" with a lot of stuff but especially with the time taken to process your withdrawals etc. Our main focus is fairness in gambling, do not get us wrong, we take many factors into consideration like if the casino is trustworthy, how long they are operating, previous reviews, complaints etc. Absolutely everything. But the main focus in fairness of their provably fair games. |
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Good job for launching this OP. However, my observation is that some of the links are actually broken. Take for example this: https://www.provablyfair.me/casino/bc-game. Don't think that there is anything loading for me when it comes to the provably fair verifier. Could you take a look? Yeah, we apologize for that. BC-game verifier is yet to be added and there are quite a bit small stuff that need to be improved as well. |
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Most gamblers don't check the provable fairness of their games especially if they are playing on a reputable site.
On another note, I was surprised, they don't have the sportsbet verifier yet, which is actually the go-to of a lot of sportsbettors here.
Because they are not developers, coders and don't learn to verify the provably fairness of casino. afaik its not that hard to verify . you can just copy and paste the characters that you see and the results will show if its fair or not . sites like this one can also be more user friendly and perfect for newbies to use if they having a hard time to use the verfiier on the gambling site that they are using . We believe that everything is simple if you decide to use our verifiers but we can consider adding some guides if you guys think it's necessary. To be honest, we didn't have any complaints or questions on how to use verifiers. OP you could create an area on your site just to talk about the dangers of scam casinos and mention scam casinos, this can bring more legitimacy to your site as you will not only be posting proven fair casinos but also alerting people whenever some casino becomes a scam, it is important that people know which casinos are scam so they don't use scam casinos.
To be honest that's not a bad idea but if we do that, our site will look more like a forum. We are working on adding Alerts section (like mentioned in the 2nd post) and hopefully, that will be useful for all of us.  |
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Excellent initiative.
I think that people these days generally tend to take what outcomes they get as granted, but you're still responsible for verifying your rolls.
Otherwise what's the point of provably fair? If you are actually obsessed with fairness then you should definitely verify every roll that you do (especially the ones that cost you >$100).
That is true unfortunately. We dont think that even 1% of our players will verify their bets, which is not good. We rly do support projects like this. I might go as far as waring their signature if they have one to promote provably fairness. Hehe. Most gamblers don't check the provable fairness of their games especially if they are playing on a reputable site. It is like we already trust them enough regarding this important feature. But it is still best if you check this from time to time. Just to make sure everything is in place. And this kind of service is great as they can make our jobs much easier. On another note, I was surprised, they don't have the sportsbet verifier yet, which is actually the go-to of a lot of sportsbettors here. To be honest, we are not sure what do you mean by that. Can you please try to explain in more detail? Betting on sports is to say "fair" by itself. Yes, you can probably find that some sport matches were rigged in the past and to be honest there is really nothing that we or anybody else could do to change the fact that some minor leagues are getting rigged. Do not get us wrong, we are not saying that some minor leagues are getting rigged but we are also not saying that they aren't. There's simply no proof that can prove one or the other. But sport (any sport) like activity promotes fair play and that's why we say that betting on sports is "fair". |
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How do you take the review from the casino 5, 4, 3 stars?, I can't also click T&C Apply for every casino on site. I just want to know how to rate the list.
your social media (Telegram) only have 10 subscribers, maybe you need to do more teamwork to growing up everything.
So what do they need when casinos want to list on your Provably Fair? have they need to contact your marketing place or are you searching it manually only when they have a probably fair system?.
To be completely honest, we are rating sites based on our personal experience while we test that certain site. Our prime focus is on provably fair system and on their provably fair games but of course, we are also testing other stuff that are useful for players (deposits/ withdrawals/ API etc.). Sites usually contact us at our official email which you can find on our site under "Contact us" section. I guess you started to make this provably fair verifier website since long time ago as you still include Yolodice.
Yolodice is not operating anymore as they decided to close down since March this year, so better to remove it from your verifier website.
The other "a bit" out of date information is related to the number of games in some casinos.
In your website, Stake has 14 provably fair games and Bitsler has 5 games, in fact there are 16 provably fair games in both sites.
Thank you for your feedback. Like mentioned earlier in one of the posts, we are aware of that and we will update the whole site asap. Welcome to bitcointalk forum. Anyway, I haven't been able to gamble for quite some time but knowing that there is a verifier that you can use to determine the fairness of the gambling site helps you to know if it is fair or not. In my opinion, this is mucu useful for those who gamble decent amount of money and those who want to provide a review of different casinos and sportsbooks.
Even if we know that the gambling site is fair, it won't affect the fact that we still lose more in those sites than win. But it's not that useless of an addition, at the least we know that the sites we're playing in are fair, right? Of course, you can lose even on a provably fair site, everything depends on your luck but at least you will know that your bets are not being manipulated. ~snip
If there is a report on whether a gambling site is fair or not, then it is definitely a good way. Many times gamblers get wrong information and go to various unfair gambling websites to play and lose their money. Yes, gamblers also lose money on the fair gambling website but that is after playing the game fairly. I hope this website will help gamblers to choose the right gambling website. Let's see how they continue their activities in the coming days. That's not my point thoguh, yes it's helpful that there's a site that helps you with insuring that the gambling site your visiting is a fair one but my point which didn't get through your head in my previous post is that even if they know it's fair, it's the same thing, they will still lose more. You should gamble only for fun, gamble with what you can afford to lose. NEVER gamble to try to earn money. Every game has a house edge and that's the advantage of a casino over you. Even if we know that the gambling site is fair, it won't affect the fact that we still lose more in those sites than win. But it's not that useless of an addition, at the least we know that the sites we're playing in are fair, right?
If there is a report on whether a gambling site is fair or not, then it is definitely a good way. Many times gamblers get wrong information and go to various unfair gambling websites to play and lose their money. Yes, gamblers also lose money on the fair gambling website but that is after playing the game fairly. I hope this website will help gamblers to choose the right gambling website. Let's see how they continue their activities in the coming days. Fairness is something that is important for every gambler, it may not increase the chance of winning but at least you have a confident that you are playing on a good site. Yes, there's a lot of dishonest gambling site that put gamblers on a bigger risk, fortunately there's a good gambling site reviews site available to read any time just go on a trusted site. This can be a good one, I'm also hoping for their consistency on giving good reviews. We will do our best to keep the site updated and get more reviews and verifiers. Hopefully, more sites as well. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- |
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^ What could be a possible partnership if there is? They had the same line of business and I think there is no need to have a partnership. Both projects have probably a different provably fair verifier tool that they use, but one thing they are aiming the same, earning through affiliation. As long as they are reliable sources of reviews that could help to a newcomers of gambling activity will be so much helpful. You are right, we don't need a partnership with that platform. And yes, we do use affiliate commission to fund our project but our goal is much bigger than that. Like we've mentioned it several times, we just want fair gambling and the community that values provably fair gambling. With that, we truly believe that we can achieve higher goals like push more and more providers to work on provably fair games. |
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We understand what you're trying to say but just because we are using the same theme, that doesn't mean that we are identical. They promote casinos with bonuses, free spins, faucet bonuses and how to start gambling with Bitcoin. Their prime focus is on that while we, on the other hand, promote fairness and that's the huge difference between our platforms.
On that note, as we expand, we will do our best to make the whole site from scratch. We've planned that for quite some time now but never got the time to actually do it.
You got the point though but it would be better if you do at least make out some differences because people on this community is really a bit keen nor minding off about templates,designs and UI and if they do find out something similar then it do end up on being an issue.So its not bad to have some bit changes towards it but if not then its up to your choice. Im bit impressed on sites been listed which i do recognize all of them. Like mentioned before, we will be working on the whole new look. It's on our to do list for some time now. Welcome to the forum,
I like their selection of casinos, although there are some that I do not really know and my curiosity bee has stung me, however the project does represent the future and I think they have everything required to succeed, there are many casinos that are just starting and that they can easily be your clients, if they offer a good service and if they have already had some experience it would be excellent if they could also show much more to have exposure
Thank you for your kind words. That's definitely one of our goals as well, even if a casino is new, they have a chance to be featured on our site. Depending on their service of course. |
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No, we are not affiliated with any other site and we are not familiar with the mention platform. To be honest, we are not sure how our sites are identical    https://www.provablyfair.me/ https://www.bitcasinorank.com/Both of this websites are using identical template or theme, and only a blind man could not see that. I am not claiming that owners are same, I just asked a question, but menus, search box, footer and website structures are identical, it's easy to see this. You are both using same Mercury Casino Affiliate WordPress Theme by space-themes: https://space-themes.com/item/mercury/We understand what you're trying to say but just because we are using the same theme, that doesn't mean that we are identical. They promote casinos with bonuses, free spins, faucet bonuses and how to start gambling with Bitcoin. Their prime focus is on that while we, on the other hand, promote fairness and that's the huge difference between our platforms. On that note, as we expand, we will do our best to make the whole site from scratch. We've planned that for quite some time now but never got the time to actually do it. |
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You guys are amazing. Thank you all for your feedback, we truly appreciate that. We want to apologize in advance for the long post as we want to reply to as many posts as possible. But on your website, I can only see Dice, Cara Y Cruz, Multicolor and Roulette.
Yes, those verifiers were added when only those games were available. No worries, more verifiers coming soon. No, we are not affiliated with any other site and we are not familiar with the mention platform. To be honest, we are not sure how our sites are identical you might want to update the list of gambling sites on your website. I still see YOLOdice on your list. YOLOdice has been closed for six months now, you can check their ANN for more details 🔶 YOLOdice.com 🔶 suspended on 16st Mar 2021. also, I am always, doubtful of a 5-star rating. a 5-star rating would mean that the gambling site is flawless, which stake.com is not. just so we're clear, I am not hating on stake.com Yes, you are right and there's really no excuse for not updating our site for some time except that we are working on more verifiers and like mentioned earlier "Alerts" which will be a huge addition not only to our site but to the whole crypto gambling community. As far as Stake.com goes, we think that it is the best site out there and we took everything in account. They have more provably fair games than any other site, best promotions and an awesome sportsbook. But once again, the most important thing are those Stake originals which are provably fair games. Not to mention the design, animation and a low house edge which are also important. Yes, they had some issues like DDoS attacks but that's nothing compared to the other sites that take ages to process withdrawals for instance. I like the website design.It looks clean and fresh.It would be nice if you add more casinos to the list.
To honest,I've never really cared about the fairness of the gambling games.A crypto casino can still scam it's customers,even if the games are "probably fair",like having blocked withdrawals,accounts banned for no reason,"hacked" accounts,problems with the website,while the players are placing their bets,etc.
Gambling is just for fun,not for making money.
Yes, we couldn't agree more. Gambling should be just for fun and you should definitely stop when the fun stops. We understand that there are a lot of people that don't care about fairness in gambling and that's why we are here, to promote provably fair gambling and why it is important. While we want to have fun, we also do not want our bets manipulated, right. you might want to update the list of gambling sites on your website. I still see YOLOdice on your list. YOLOdice has been closed for six months now, you can check their ANN for more details 🔶 YOLOdice.com 🔶 suspended on 16st Mar 2021. also, I am always, doubtful of a 5-star rating. a 5-star rating would mean that the gambling site is flawless, which stake.com is not. just so we're clear, I am not hating on stake.com ^ That is right, it needs to update the site because there is Yolodice which is it was officially close about months ago. I also being curious why Stake.com is on the top, what is category OP used as the best provably fair game, and why the Bustabit and Bustadice were not there since as far as I know they had a provably fair system which is very fair to the users. However, the website is useful but I think it has lacked information, there are too many gambling casinos here that has provably fair and I hope the rating is not about the self-rate made by the OP. Bustabit and Bustadice are there of course, we have verifiers for them. They are just not on the leaderboard because they each have 1 game only and there are better (1 game) sites out there. This site is amazing for verifying bets. We feature it on stake.com for a while now as the best verifier out there.
Hopefully it will bring provably fairness closer to as many people as possible.
that explains a lot. I am not disproving stake.com's fairness nor saying that the website should not be trusted but, after knowing this, I feel like this cleared up why stake.com has a 5-star rating on the website. that being said, I might be wrong about my assumption though. Yeah its pretty obvious why stake has 5 stars haha, because its the best! Joking aside, us deciding to feature this third party website on stake probably had some effect on the rating. Im not sure how much but we are for sure pusing some traffic their way atleast from people wanting to verify their bets which unfortunately its not huge percent of people. We would like more and more people to want to verify their bets and learn what provably fair means and eventually even stop playing on any game that is not provably fair. I believe all casinos and all games should be provably fair eventually. To be honest, that's one of many reasons why you guys are at the top, because you've supported our platform as a third- party verifier. By doing that, you showed that you guys have nothing to hide and that you are open towards provably fair gambling. As far as we know from our players, your support team even refers players towards our verifiers. The reviews are alright, but could have been more detailed(Fees, Pros and Cons etc) in my opinion. Also, Stake deserves a 4 and a 1/2 rating max.
Thank you, we will be looking to add something like that as well. |
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Coming soon:
"Alerts": In a huge gambling industry where there are a lot of non-provably fair providers and games, there is also a lot of abuse of those games. By cooperation with multiple different gambling platforms and game providers, we will be among the first ones to know if/ when a certain game gets abused.
By promoting provably-fairness, we want everything to be fair for players and also for a casino.
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