Where is this? US?

Still looking, if anyone has a lvl 30 EUW account they don't want any more.

Yeah, that's what I thought too, but to be honest, it isnt worth 10BTC. I could do it myself for that.

You can buy premade accounts people dont want anymore with skins and stuff for like 5BTC.

And then the cost for the completed lvl 30 acc?

Hi,

Do you mean you will start one at lvl 1 and take it to lvl 30?

How long will that take?

No one?

Level 30, EUW

No bothered about skins, just level 30.

Still for sale?

Still for sale?

Oh right ok thanks, im only talking over the last couple of days.

Maybe ill just leave it and see what it is like after a week or two.

Can anyone tell me why the mining calculators tell me that I should be mining about 0.32 BTC per day at approx 700 MHash, yet with Deepbit, I am only mining approx 0.24 BTC per day?

That is 75% of what it should be at current difficulty, so it is too much of a difference for it to be fees.

Not sure if it makes a difference, but im mining on Deepbit with 2 cards running at the same time within the same GUI miner client.

As I said, I hope bitcoin succeeds as a currency, and im playing devil's advocate a little here, but:

Do you work? Do you get paid in bitcoins?
Do you pay your taxes in bitcoins? Do you pay for your food and water and travel in bitcoins?

Or do you use £ or $ to buy bitcoins, or mine them? Do you think of items for sale in their worth in bitcoins or their worth in £ or $ converted to bitcoins? Do you sell your bitcoins for £ or $?

Im no technical expert, and no economist, but I do live in the real world and I do know that as it is right now, Bitcoin will never take off beyond a hobby for the minority. There are a number of reasons why I think this and I will list them below, in the hope that someone who knows more about all of this can answer my points:


Also, let me just say that I am in no way against the idea of bitcoins, in fact I believe something like this is what the world actually needs. Something that has the chance to take away the power the banks give themselves by being able to print money. I really despise that fact that the federal reserve is actually a group of private banks that create money to loan the government (and by government, I mean ordinary citizens), then charge them interest on that money that has to be paid back by more loans. Its the biggest con in the history of the world and is the source of so much evil. How can a system where the same people who decide policy and whether to go to war or not actually profit from war. It is and always will be corrupt and I hate it.

I would like to point out that I really like the idea of bitcoins and I want it to work - I think however, that people who use bitcoins, and people with good technical knowledge need to think seriously about some of the problems below, especially the top 2 and come up with a solution. Some sort of easy to transport, easy to understand app for PC, Mac, iphone, android etc etc that is somehow linked and can work in a way that the average joe public will understand.


- Bitcoin is not portable, people will not be able to transport it around, pay for their weekly food shopping with it, pay for their fuel etc etc. As I understand it, you need your bitcoin wallet, which is stored on a PC and cant be stored in more than one location to be used at the same time? Bitcoins as they currently are, are less convenient that standard currency.

Edit - just seen this http://forum.bitcoin.org/index.php?topic=26718.0
A step in the right direction


- Bitcoin is not easy to understand - Money is. People (in general) are stupid and if they dont understand something, wont use it or wont want to know about it.

- People actually think that money is still back by gold. They think that money has real value.

- You cant and probably will never be able to pay taxes with bitcoin. Even if you started to get paid in bitcoins for working, the government would demand taxes from you in £ or $ or whatever.

- Bitcoins can be lost too easily at the moment if you lose a wallet file. I know you can store online, but who really wants to trust their bitcoins to an online wallet.

- Eventually, at some point in the future, if/when bitcoin gains in popularity the people in power, who stand to lose out from the growth of bitcoins will ban it somehow. Although it wont stop the majority of users on here using bitcoins, it will stop any legitimate businesses accepting bitcoins in payment and crash the price.

I quite like the quote in this article: http://apenwarr.ca/log/?m=201105

Governments have big weapons and propaganda machines and actual secret agents and citizens who believe that keeping the economy under control is a good idea. If you threaten the currency, you are threatening the entire power structure of the civilized world. You are, quite literally, an enemy of the state. You are attempting to build nuclear weapons in your bedroom. Or at least they'll see it that way.

Do you think you'll get away with it because your monopoly money is made of bits instead of paper? I don't.

The only reason you'd get away with it is if you're too small to matter. Which is certainly the current situation.

I think this last point is the real killer - the people in power will not give up that power easily. They control the army, they control the mass media, they have the support of the simple minded majority who like to call themselves "patriots".

Bitcoin will be it's own downfall, it will get too big, it will get big enough that it gets noticed and then it will all come tumbling down when those in power start to pay attention.

Edit - also just been thinking about the fact that bitcoin isnt a real currency is it? It is a commodity, everyone wants bitcoins to trade for their own regional currency. If you could not trade bit coins for currency, then I would bet my last penny that no one would accept bitcoins for payment when selling goods and services

Second edit - the more I think about this, the more I dont see it working long term. If you think about it, bitcoin is almost like a very early primitive currency. When people first began to record transactions on clay tablets, there was no central bank, there was no control or government inflation etc. Someone came up with the idea of a bank and then came credit. Borrowing more money than you had at that current time and paying it back over some time period, with interest.

Even if bitcoin does get big enough to be a major success, and the government cant or doesnt stop it, and lots of people in the world got paid in bitcoins and never had to think about transferring them to £ or $. Someone somewhere will have 10 bitcoins and want to spend 20. They will need a bank or someone with more bitcoins than them to loan them. That person or 'bank' will charge interest. If you follow this through to its conclusion, then we will end up in exactly the same situation we are in now. Those with money will buy enough bitcoins to be able to act as a bank. They will make money in exactly the same way as they do now, only money cant be created any more, so over time, the interest paid to the banks decreases the amount of bitcoins in circulation as more and more are sat in the accounts of the banks. 

Is it possible to purchase a gift card from you for say £100 for 10 btc for example, then buy something on Amazon using the card as part payment and adding the rest in cash?

Or is that not how it works....

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Hmm, yeah, that figure was without electricity costs, but I worked it out that it makes approx 3 to 4 btc every week. At average of 3.5 that's just over 15 btc a month. When I last checked, on britcoin, they were worth just short of £11 per btc, works out as £166 or something.

I dont know though, maybe as difficulty goes up the btc rate will go down maybe.

As I said there is one on ebay at £170, which I think is quite high, so im looking for probably about £150

Yes, and yes, I would have to get a quote for you if you wanted it shipping...

Hello...this is reposted from the newbies section now that I can post here, as this is the proper place for a forsale ad.

Im new here, have been mining for about a week now, and managed 4 bit coins as part of a pool. At today's rates that is about £40 per week, or £173 a month.

Anyway, im thinking of selling the card I have been using and upgrading to 2 x 6990's or 6970's maybe.

The card is a 5870 factory overclocked to 950Mhz.
Here is a link to show you what card it is:
http://www.powercolor.com/Global/products_features.asp?id=245

The card is in almost brand new condition, having hardly being used up till now, until I found out about bitcoin and tried it out to see how fast I could make bitcoins. The card come standard with a huge copper heat sink and copper cooling pipes, with a large fan on top, meaning that it is very quiet compared to the standard heatsinks with tiny little fans.

If you run the miner with the fan on auto, it ends up getting up to about 60% fan and about 70 deg C, so I turn the fan up to 100% manually and is stays around 58 - 62 deg C on 98% load.

At the standard overclocked speed, it runs at about 393 Mhash. I tried overclocking it more, for a short time, and took it up to 1010 at which point it was running fine at 415 Mhash. I didnt really dare take it any higher as it is running on air cooling, and didnt want to leave it running at this speed for long, so left it 10 minutes to check it was stable, then put it back to 950Mhz and left it at that.

If no one wants the card for a mining rig, then ill stick it on e-bay, so send me a message if you're interested. Im in the UK by the way, so shipping within the UK will be fairly cheap, outside the UK might be more expensive, I dont know without getting a quote.

I can happily provide any screen shots, photos, videos etc etc to provide proof of speed, noise levels, temperatures, condition of the card, whatever you like.

Yes I will accept bit coins for the card, however, like I said, I have only just started mining and learning about bit coin, so I dont know enough to tell you how many bit coins I think it is worth.

Preferably, I would prefer payment in ££ though as I will be using the cash to part fund the 2 x crossfire cards I want for playing games on. Im thinking of something to demolish BF 3 ad Rage when they are released.

Below are screen shots I took yesterday, after leaving it running all day while I was at work, and this shows the temps and hash rates etc.
You can see GPU temp at 60 deg C and max of 63 deg C - at the top it shows it has been running for over 11 hours.

Also - new the card cost £320. There is another one being sold on e-bay at the moment for £170. That one is not mine, so if someone wanted 2 of them for crossfire, there is another one to buy out there - these cards are very rare and were very limited at the time they were sold.

So make me an offer for the card. I have no set price in mind as I dont know what they are worth, im just basing any decision on the fact that I can make about £170 a month with the card.

There's a shocker!!

bitcoinbuiler will be sat there laughing at how you fell for the simplest of pyramid schemes.

Hmm yea, it does sound like a scam....

Excuse me while I correct your english:

Once some people post there testimonials on the forum..as you will see, it is
not a scam.

Should be:

Once some people post their testimonials on the forum..as you will see, it is
not a scam.


If your having any problems or if you have any questions just contact us on the
forum.

Should be:

If you're having any problems or if you have any questions just contact us on the
forum.