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1  Other / Off-topic / Radeon VII with Ryzen 2700X in 12 PC games at 2560x1440p on: February 10, 2019, 03:06:30 PM
For this testing, only official benchmarks produced by Game Developers will be used: only the official Game Developers tools for counting FPS will be used.

The official benchmarking tools Game Developers release will show less difference between GPUs because Game Developers include representative cross-sections of their PC game. Most PC games have entire segments of maps that are less demanding for GPUs, which wipe out a portion of the FPS differences between GPUs around similarly performance points.

At 2560x1440p official benchmark tool released by Games Developers will show lower performance differences of around 4% between GPUs at similar performance levels when compared to the using a 60 second testing of a tiny part of a game that is more demanding of a GPU. For example, Hitman 2 has 7 maps and only 2 of those maps are demanding of GPUs: a) Miami; b) Mumbai. 71% of this PC game is played on maps that will show very low differences between GPUs around a similar performance metric.

Next AMD Labs released 25 PC game benchmarks at 3840x2160p, Fallout 76 (68.35%), Doom 2016 (33.18%) Battlefield One (35.98%), Battlefield V (33.19%), The Witcher 3 (33.82%) cannot be benchmarked as they do not have official benchmark tools from their respective Games Developers, which will reduce FPS delta of the Radeon VII by 3.3% over my Red Devil Vega 64.

Therefore, do note that 5 of the biggest FPS increases to be had from buying the Radeon VII will not be included in the results for shown below for games.

Fan Noise
The Radeon VII is quieter than my Reference Blower RX Vega 56 and massively quieter than my Powercolor Red Devil Vega 64. There is nothing really to report on fan noise, other then it is much quieter than the previous generations I own.

Radeon Drivers and Windows 10 1809 Version
Nothing to report on this either, zero game crashes to report and Radeon VII was completely stable in everything I played or tested.

Esports reductions in Blurriness or Fuzziness
This has increased again, as part of AMD's sponsorship of Fnatic (a leading professional esports team) Radeon VII has another bump to sharpness and clarity of rendered frames when gaming in rapidly changing FPS scenarios. Testing in Forza Horizon 4, there was a noticeable increase in final rendered frame clarity at 2560x1440p over Red Devil Vega 64. I did, also, test in Star Wars Battlefront 2 and there was another bump in clarity in the fast-paced competitive multiplayer.

Power Consumption
Powercolor Red Devil Vega 64
Adrenalin 19.2.1 335watts Averaged Out -/+ 10watts depending PC game Engine.
105% over Reference Blower Vega 64

Sapphire Radeon VII (AMD manufactured)
Adrenalin 19.2.1 255watts Averaged Out -/+ 10watts depending PC game Engine.

Testing with a Watt-Meter from the Plug Socket
A total of 10 PC games were measured at the wall and Power Draw reductions where observed in every single PC game of around 80watts using the default Power Plans for both GPUs.

Examples:
Strange Brigade Benchmark - every option set to Ultra
Red Devil Vega 64 Total System Power Draw =501watts
Radeon VII Total System Power Draw =390watts
110watt power draw reduction during the Strange Brigade Benchmark.

Shadow of the Tomb Raider - Highest Preset.
Red Devil Vega 64 Total System Power Draw =484watts
Radeon VII Total System Power Draw =404watts
80watt power draw reduction during the Shadow of Tomb Raider Benchmark.

FPS Result Performance Increases at 2560x1440p 12 Games

Ashes of the Singularity Vulkan Crazy Preset
Red Devil Vega 64 =54.9FPS (100%)
Radeon VII =62.8FPS (114.4%)

AC Odyssey highest Preset
Red Devil Vega 64 =50FPS (100%)
Radeon VII =60FPS (120%)

Deus EX Mankind DX12 Divided Ultra
Red Devil Vega 64 =59.1FPS (100%)
Radeon VII =73.9FPS (125%)

Far Cry 5 Ultra TAA
Red Devil Vega 64 =86FPS (100%)
Radeon VII =102FPS (118.6%)

Forzia Horizon 4 Ultra
Red Devil Vega 64 =100FPS (100%)
Radeon VII =111.3FPS (111.3%)

Hitman DX12 Ultra
Red Devil Vega 64 =111.75FPS (100%)
Radeon VII =128.4FPS (115.9%)

Middle-Earth Shadow War HD Textures 8.44GBs
Red Devil Vega 64 =74FPS (100%)
Radeon VII =87FPS (117.5%)

Rise of the Tomb Raider DX12 Highest Preset
Red Devil Vega 64 =88.47FPS (100%)
Radeon VII =107.3FPS (121.3%)

Rainbow Six Seige Ultra 100% TAA and 100% Render Scaling
Red Devil Vega 64 =103.1FPS (100%)
Radeon VII =128.7FPS (124.8%)

Shadow of Tomb Raider DX12 Highest Preset
Red Devil Vega 64 =67FPS (100%)
Radeon VII =82FPS (122.4%)

Strange Brigade DX12 Ultra
Red Devil Vega 64 =106FPS (100%)
Radeon VII =138FPS (130.2%)

The Division DX12 Highest Preset
Red Devil Vega 64 =85.3FPS (100%)
Radeon VII =105.3FPS (123.4%)

The 12 game average Radeon VII offers a 20.4% performance increase over the Powercolor Red Devil Vega 64. Consequently, Radeon VII does run around 3.2% slower at 2560x1440p, when compared to its' results at 3840x2160p posted by me: https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/apgt62/radeon_vii_13_game_benchmark_result_at_3840x2160p/

At 2560x1440p Radeon VII offers a 25.4% performance increase over a Reference Blower RX Vega 64. When the 5 PC games that show the greatest performance increase deltas are added back into the figures this difference is 28.7% over the Reference Blower RX Vega 64. In the most demanding segments of a PC game, Radeon VII will offer an extra 4% performance or 32.7% more performance than a Reference Blower Vega 64.

Performance is as expected, slightly down at 2560x2160 versus 3840x2160p, but the change in performance is relatively minor. More importantly, the Esport reductions in Blurriness and Fuzziness are certainly welcomed and make the Radeon VII a much more attractive purchase for competitively orientated gamers or gamers who love car driving games.

Finally,
I've been playing The Division 2 Beta at Ultra DX12 Settings and VRAM usage is 14GBs at 2560x1440p.
I can confirm Call Of Duty Black Ops 4 Multiplayer is using 15GBs VRAM usage at 2560x1440p.
I can confirm, Apex Legends, when memory slider is moved to MAX position is using 15GBs of VRAM at 2560x1440p.

So, gamers have not had long to wait for the benefits of that 16GBs of VRAM to be seen at this resolution.

Notes:
Hitman 2 in-game benchmark throws away the first 5 seconds of the Simulation; there is an FPS cap of 45FPS at the beginning of the Simulation as the graphics engine initializes assets for Vega GPUs. However, the Radeon VII was not recognised as Vega GPU by the games engine at 2560x1440p and the Simulation did not implement the 5-second deduction. Therefore, it was excluded until a patch fixes the bug in Simulation at 2560x1440p.
2  Other / Off-topic / Radeon VII 3840x2160p 13 PC Game Benchmarks on: February 09, 2019, 12:05:47 PM
For this testing, only official PC games with in-game benchmarks will be used that I own; only official Game Developers FPS counters will be used.

The In-game benchmarks will show less difference between GPUs because Game Developers include a representative cross-sections of their PC game. Most PC games have entire segments of maps that are less demanding for GPUs, which wipe out a portion of the FPS differences between GPUs around similarly performance points compared to the most demanding parts of PC games.

For example, Hitman 2 has 7 maps and only 2 maps are demanding of GPUs: a) Miami; b) Mumbai. 71% of this game is played on maps that will show low differences between GPUs around a similar performance metric.

AMD Labs' released FPS result for 25 PC games at 3840x2160p. The average difference was 28.59% between the RX Vega 64 LC versus Radeon VII. The switch to in-game benchmarks will show around a 4% lower difference between the two GPUs.

New target Metric=24.59%

Next,  Fallout 76 (68.35%), Doom 2016 (33.18%) Battlefield One (35.98%),  Battlefield V (33.19%), The Witcher 3 (33.82%) cannot be benchmarked as they do not have the Official Benchmarks Tool provided by their Game Developers, which will reduce FPS difference by 3.3%.

New Target Metric=21.3%

Finally, my  Powercolor Red Devil Vega 64 averages out to be 2.7% slower than the RX Vega 64 LC model on the stock Power Plan used by AMD Labs.

New Target Metric=24%

Therefore, using Official Benchmarks Tools, we should expect to see around a 24% performance increase between these two GPUs:
1) Powercolor Red Devil RX Vega 64 100%
2) Radeon VII 124%

Test System
Ryzen 2700X PBO - Powerdraw allowed up to 150watts.
DDR4-3421-CL14 Low Latency Subtimings at 1.47volts.
7 PC case fans and one 240mm AIO for the CPU.
Gigabyte Auros X470 7 WiFi (BLCK 100.7) with onboard Audio used.
500GB SSD.
Corsair 850Watt Platinum PSU 94% Efficiency.

GPUs
Powercolor Red Devil Vega 64
Adrenalin 19.2.1 335watts Averaged Out -/+ 10watts depending on the PC game Engine.
Performance 106.3% over Reference Blower Vega 64

Sapphire Radeon VII (AMD manufactured)
Adrenalin 19.2.1 255watts Averaged Out -/+ 10watts depending on the PC game Engine.

Testing with a Watt-Meter from the Plug Socket
Default Power Plans for both GPUs.

Strange Brigade Benchmark - every option set to Ultra
Red Devil Vega 64 Total System Power Draw =501watts
Radeon VII Total System Power Draw =390watts
110watt power draw reduction during the Strange Brigade Benchmark.

Shadow of the Tomb Raider - Highest Preset.
Red Devil Vega 64 Total System Power Draw =484watts
Radeon VII Total System Power Draw =404watts
80watt power draw reduction during the Shadow of Tomb Raider Benchmark.

A  total of 10 PC games were measured at the wall and Power Draw reductions where observed in every single PC game and average out around 80watts amount.

FPS Result Performance Increase at 3840x2160p 13 Games

Ashes of the Singularity Vulkan Crazy Preset
Red Devil Vega 64 =49FPS (100%)
Radeon VII =58.3FPS (119%)

AC Odyssey highest Preset (Cloudless Day)
Red Devil Vega 64 =34FPS (100%)
Radeon VII =41FPS (120.5%)

Deus EX Mankind DX12 Divided Ultra
Red Devil Vega 64 =31.3FPS (100%)
Radeon VII =39.6FPS (126.5%)

Far Cry 5 Ultra TAA
Red Devil Vega 64 =47FPS (100%)
Radeon VII =60FPS (127.5%)

Forzia Horizon 4 Ultra
Red Devil Vega 64 =66.7FPS (100%)
Radeon VII =75.9FPS (114%)

Hitman DX12 Ultra
Red Devil Vega 64 =64.30FPS (100%)
Radeon VII =78.15FPS (121.5%)

Hitman 2 Ultra Mumbia Benchmark
Red Devil Vega 64 =50.5FPS (100%)
Radeon VII =62.47FPS (124%)

Middle-Earth Shadow War HD Textures 8.8GBs
Red Devil Vega 64 =43FPS (100%)
Radeon VII =53FPS (123%)

Rise of the Tomb Raider DX12 Highest Preset
Red Devil Vega 64 =49.95FPS (100%)
Radeon VII =58.88FPS (118%)

Rainbow Six Seige Ultra 100% TAA and 100% Render Scaling
Red Devil Vega 64 =51FPS (100%)
Radeon VII =65FPS (127.5%)

Shadow of Tomb Raider DX12 Highest Preset
Red Devil Vega 64 =36FPS (100%)
Radeon VII =45FPS (125%)

Strange Brigade DX12 Ultra
Red Devil Vega 64 =64FPS (100%)
Radeon VII =87FPS (136%)

The Division DX12 Highest Preset
Red Devil Vega 64 =48.1FPS (100%)
Radeon VII =59.9FPS (124.5%)

The Performance Increase over the 13 games is 23.6%. Therefore, no real surprise in the performance delta for the Radeon VII, but a big surprise in power consumption.

Returning to power consumption, Radeon VII draws identical power to a GTX 1080TI Founders Edition for PC gaming and about 30watts more than the RTX 2080 Founders Edition.

The 300watt TDP rating appears to be Compute or OpenCL productivity watt limit for things like Blender, Luxmark, etc.

Ryzen 2700X plus Radeon VII Comparative analysis

Far Cry Ultra TAA (RTX 2080 FE with I9 7920 X @4.4 GHZ All Core)
RTX 2080 FE =56FPS
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b03PqtYUp-0
Far Cry Ultra TAA (Ryzen 2700X PBO)
Radeon VII =60FPS
The performance increase is 7.1% in the Official Benchmark for Far Cry 5.

Forza Horizon 4 Ultra (Intel I7 6700K at 4.7GHz with RTX 2080 OC)
RTX 2080 OC =69.9FPS
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CDoepsPwFlA
Forza Horizon 4 Ultra (Ryzen 2700X PBO)
Radeon VII =75.9FPS
The performance increase is 8.6% in the Official Benchmark for Forza Horizon 4.

Strange Brigade all settings at Ultra (Intel Core i7 8700K at 5GHz)
Asus Strix RTX 2080 O8G Gaming =67FPS
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EIeFoG4k_IY
Strange Brigade all settings at Ultra (Ryzen 2700X PBO)
Radeon VII =87FPS
The performance increase is 29.8% n the Official Benchmark for Strange Brigade.

As can be seen, for owners of Ryzen CPUs, buying the Radeon VII is a bit of a no-brainer decision, as expected the Radeon Drivers perform better with a Ryzen CPUs installed than there Intel CPU counterparts at 3840x2160p.

Notes on testing:
Hitman 2 in-game benchmark throws away the first 5 seconds of the Simulation; there is an FPS cap of 45FPS at the beginning of the Simulation as the graphics engine initializes assets for Vega GPUs. However, the graphics engine can take up to 8 seconds to initialize the assets with the 45FPS framecap in place for Vega GPUs. Therefore, the Game Developers should increase the starting dustbin on FPS results to 10 seconds in the Simulation to give the final pop up result reading more consistency between runs of the Simulation.
3  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] Ethereum: Welcome to the Beginning on: August 10, 2018, 07:21:06 PM
Ethereum Core Devs Meeting #44 [08/10/18]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Lyn5OryooA
4  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] Ethereum: Welcome to the Beginning on: July 27, 2018, 05:26:17 PM
Ethereum Core Devs Meeting #43 [07/27/18]:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6I7SRa58-9M
5  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] Ethereum: Welcome to the Beginning on: July 13, 2018, 04:14:59 PM
Ethereum Core Devs Meeting #42 [07/13/18]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TWL6QaCsl1I
6  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] Ethereum: Welcome to the Beginning on: June 15, 2018, 05:24:04 PM
Ethereum Core Devs Meeting #40 [06/15/18]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8-AZys80RrU
7  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] Ethereum: Welcome to the Beginning on: June 01, 2018, 05:01:50 PM
Ethereum Core Devs Meeting #39 [06/01/18] upload on Youtube

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7FNRWEQ_H7w
8  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] Ethereum: Welcome to the Beginning on: May 18, 2018, 03:22:57 PM
Ethereum Core Devs Meeting #38 [05/18/18]

Is live streaming currently, on Youtube. A recording will be available afterwards on Ethereum Foundation Youtube Channel.

Highlights - EIP 1057 ProgPOW

Presentation to the Core Developers by Ms.If, Mr Else and Mr Def team of the increased ASIC resistant ProgPOW implementation and increased safety to benefit the future Casper POS-POW Hybrid Model.

The first Core Developer has expressed support for EIP 1057 ProgPOW - due to the technical introduction of new cutting-edge improvements to Ethash security against censorship attack vectors and separated development.

ProgPOW will eliminate the theoretical 2X (hash increase) potential of ASICs. By utilizing current GPUs more fully.

It will make Ethash, the Ultimate ASIC Resistant Algorithm seen in crypto-currency history.
9  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: CCminer(SP-MOD) Modded NVIDIA Maxwell / Pascal kernels. on: April 27, 2018, 06:49:41 PM
Does anyone know if this legit or scam - doing the rounds on Youtube.

Nvidia GPUs using GDDR5X only - boosted Dagger hashrate by 50% when running in conjunction with Claymore.

https://github.com/OhGodACompany/OhGodAnETHlargementPill
10  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] Ethereum: Welcome to the Beginning on: April 20, 2018, 04:50:43 PM
Ethereum Core Devs Meeting #37 [04/20/18] finished and uploaded on Youtube:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vKumx5CIA-k

EIP 969 - some discussion on adding some anti-ASIC changes to the next general Hard Fork.

Currently, EIP 969 needs to be "Championed" at Core Devs Meeting. No-one was willing to "Champion" it at this meeting.
11  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] Ethereum: Welcome to the Beginning on: April 16, 2018, 06:44:00 PM
There were some news now from Barclays and they said they believe that the last peak of Bitcoin was the final peak we will ever see. Let's prove them wrong!
We always hear from the Banks, the Tycoon that Bitcoin is bubble, cryptocurrencies are scam. But for me if bitcoin or blockchain become the future, It will have a tremendous impact on them.
I think this market will recovery soon.

Banks are always react like that because they are afraid of this revolution this gonna be huge and soon that old system will get replaced with that super fast system. Let them talk like out of mind people and we should keep supporting this revolutionary system.

However the main threat to Ethereum comes not from banks but new crypto platforms which poach ICOs but I believe ETH is capable to withstand this pressure.

Just to name a few, ark, eos, waves, neo and ada. All of them are way more scalable then Ethereum but all them but Neo are still in development, they don't have smart contracts yet

Doesn't Ethereum have SHARDING in development, well it's gone beyond the development point now!

They're currently going around and explaining the technology to all the parties involved with the Ethereum Network.

Scalability is not something you should factor in as a valuation issue, because after SHARDING is implemented later this year the issue will be dead until the network add-on considerably more transaction volumes and considerably more addresses.
12  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] Ethereum: Welcome to the Beginning on: April 15, 2018, 05:04:28 AM
When does ETH will switch to POS with Casper ?

when is the POS?and my 3gb mining card will end in what month?


There is no official ETA at the moment for POS consensus implementation in the ETH blockchain.
As for 3GB DAG limit. I'm afraid it's very near now. Like a month if you're using Linux. People mining using 3GB GPUs are already facing issues with DAG file limit in Windows.

You don't guess on Ethereum Network - run the software in benchmark mode and set it to Epochs for later this year.

It will tell you at what Epoch, the Dag file is more than 3GB of VRAM on Linux.
13  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: CCminer(SP-MOD) Modded NVIDIA Maxwell / Pascal kernels. on: April 14, 2018, 08:49:55 PM
Can someone verify this new private miner for Equihash is clean of viruses?

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3321259.new#new

750 sols/s на GTX 1080
630 sols/s на GTX 1070
500 на GTX 1060 6 Gb

No topic

It has been deleted - guess that answer some questions!

It's from a post on the EWBF's CUDA Zcash ANN by ztaz:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1707546.5880

Perhaps, I should have downloaded whilst the links were still up?



Thanks, glad I didn't get drawn into checking it out now!
14  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: CCminer(SP-MOD) Modded NVIDIA Maxwell / Pascal kernels. on: April 14, 2018, 08:22:07 PM
Can someone verify this new private miner for Equihash is clean of viruses?

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3321259.new#new

750 sols/s на GTX 1080
630 sols/s на GTX 1070
500 на GTX 1060 6 Gb

No topic

It has been deleted - guess that answer some questions!

It's from a post on the EWBF's CUDA Zcash ANN by ztaz:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1707546.5880

Perhaps, I should have downloaded whilst the links were still up?
15  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Claymore's Dual Ethereum AMD+NVIDIA GPU Miner v11.6 (Windows/Linux) on: April 14, 2018, 07:41:51 PM
The victimof:  Since people do their power calculations in different ways, to compare apples and apples, it's preferable to just report power at the wall divided by total number of cards.  That's all that matters anyway for determining efficiency.  By that measure, I've never seen a rig that pulls less than ~120W/card at a decent hash rate.  Za1n's 714W result is impressive, well done.  I find that believable, but I suspect Za1n is at the outer limit of reducing power without a substantial reduction in hashrate.

And none of this actually addresses the substantive point I made, i.e. that at a given power draw (say 1440W for a typical 110V circuit), it's more profitable to mine monero than eth.

Have you plugged your numbers into http://whattomine.com/ to see if that statement holds true ?


You can get the power down further if you get an Intel Low Power CPU, 35watt TDP and a mobo which has better efficiency. And do remember, you can undervolt your CPU as well or lower clocks as well. Even, using one stick of DDR4, instead of 2 is around a 2.58watts saving.

Harder to do on the Intel CPU platform, very easy too on AMD CPU platforms.

I reckon, with that tinkering on the CPU system with a Platinum PSU, his rig would be around 660watts to 670watts.

And, Za1N could choose to lower the settings from 900mv and 1125mhz on the GPUs, for more power savings.

So, he could get him down to 650watts to 660watts

And, that system draw divided by the number of GPUs the motherboard can support - 6-18 GPU variation currently.



Thanks for the info, maybe I'll look into a low power cpu, maybe that can get a rig down to 700W.

660 for a 580 rig?  Any actual evidence of that?

Give up - you're the one who wants to mix up the CPU/RAM/MOBO/SSD into GPU power draw!

NOT SOMETHING THAT ANYONE ELSE ON THIS FORUM WOULD SAY THAT MAKES ANY SENSE.

6 RX 580 Ethereum (900mv at 1125 GPU speed)rigs (including the CPU/SSD/RAM/MOBO) are using 714watts with Gold certified PSU.

Platinum PSU gets you 698watts. Low power CPU gets you to 673 watts. And, 850mv and 1100GPU speed will get the watts down to 660 watts.

Stop trying to make out it's difficult to do.


I've just never seen it.  Throwing out hypothetical calculations or extrapolating is all well and good, and maybe it's possible in principle.

Is there evidence of a stable 6 card 580 rig hashing above 170 on eth drawing 660 at the wall?  One that exists physically, not just on paper.

Metroid and xxcsu both seem to think that 120 to 130 at the wall is about right:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2238455.0

I just checked my g3900 cpu, it uses 8W max while mining.  Not a lot of savings there.

I have tested a lot of CPUs!
 
For example, Pentium G4560 - loaded up with CPU miner to max it's power draw out, had an 11watt increase in power consumption when compared to not using the CPU miner whilst mining Ethereum with GPUs (measured at the wall).

THIS IS THE ONLY WAY TO KNOW WHAT WATTS A CPU IS DOING WHEN MINING - MAX OUT THE CPU POWER DRAW AND MEASURE THE DIFFERENCES AT THE WALL.

Pentium G4560 (Max TDP is 54watts) - it uses 43watts when just handling the GPU mining throughputs for Ethereum.

Not sure, how you can imagine a Celeron 3900 is doing 8watts when mining Ethereum with GPUs, when the Pentium G4560 I tested used 43watts.

Turning to the thread you cited - there are people on that ANN disputing the author's skills and findings.

Kronos21 "You show the results of the GPU with the original BIOS. I have all the GPU is a modified BIOS. The speed of mining Ethereum 29 Mh/s. The maximum consumption I have 110 watts. This is when dual mining ETH+DCR. If only mine ETH the energy consumption drops to 88 watts. My rig is a 6 GPU and I use a 1000 watt power supply."

16  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: CCminer(SP-MOD) Modded NVIDIA Maxwell / Pascal kernels. on: April 14, 2018, 07:23:15 PM
Can someone verify this new private miner for Equihash is clean of viruses?

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3321259.new#new

750 sols/s на GTX 1080
630 sols/s на GTX 1070
500 на GTX 1060 6 Gb
17  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Claymore's Dual Ethereum AMD+NVIDIA GPU Miner v11.6 (Windows/Linux) on: April 13, 2018, 11:18:00 PM
The victimof:  Since people do their power calculations in different ways, to compare apples and apples, it's preferable to just report power at the wall divided by total number of cards.  That's all that matters anyway for determining efficiency.  By that measure, I've never seen a rig that pulls less than ~120W/card at a decent hash rate.  Za1n's 714W result is impressive, well done.  I find that believable, but I suspect Za1n is at the outer limit of reducing power without a substantial reduction in hashrate.

And none of this actually addresses the substantive point I made, i.e. that at a given power draw (say 1440W for a typical 110V circuit), it's more profitable to mine monero than eth.

Have you plugged your numbers into http://whattomine.com/ to see if that statement holds true ?


You can get the power down further if you get an Intel Low Power CPU, 35watt TDP and a mobo which has better efficiency. And do remember, you can undervolt your CPU as well or lower clocks as well. Even, using one stick of DDR4, instead of 2 is around a 2.58watts saving.

Harder to do on the Intel CPU platform, very easy too on AMD CPU platforms.

I reckon, with that tinkering on the CPU system with a Platinum PSU, his rig would be around 660watts to 670watts.

And, Za1N could choose to lower the settings from 900mv and 1125mhz on the GPUs, for more power savings.

So, he could get him down to 650watts to 660watts

And, that system draw divided by the number of GPUs the motherboard can support - 6-18 GPU variation currently.



Thanks for the info, maybe I'll look into a low power cpu, maybe that can get a rig down to 700W.

660 for a 580 rig?  Any actual evidence of that?

Give up - you're the one who wants to mix up the CPU/RAM/MOBO/SSD into GPU power draw!

NOT SOMETHING THAT ANYONE ELSE ON THIS FORUM WOULD SAY THAT MAKES ANY SENSE.

6 RX 580 Ethereum (900mv at 1125 GPU speed)rigs (including the CPU/SSD/RAM/MOBO) are using 714watts with Gold certified PSU.

Platinum PSU gets you 698watts. Low power CPU gets you to 673 watts. And, 850mv and 1100GPU speed will get the watts down to 660 watts.

Stop trying to make out it's difficult to do.
18  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Claymore's Dual Ethereum AMD+NVIDIA GPU Miner v11.6 (Windows/Linux) on: April 13, 2018, 07:57:42 PM
The victimof:  Since people do their power calculations in different ways, to compare apples and apples, it's preferable to just report power at the wall divided by total number of cards.  That's all that matters anyway for determining efficiency.  By that measure, I've never seen a rig that pulls less than ~120W/card at a decent hash rate.  Za1n's 714W result is impressive, well done.  I find that believable, but I suspect Za1n is at the outer limit of reducing power without a substantial reduction in hashrate.

And none of this actually addresses the substantive point I made, i.e. that at a given power draw (say 1440W for a typical 110V circuit), it's more profitable to mine monero than eth.

Have you plugged your numbers into http://whattomine.com/ to see if that statement holds true ?


You can get the power down further if you get an Intel Low Power CPU, 35watt TDP and a mobo which has better efficiency. And do remember, you can undervolt your CPU as well or lower clocks as well. Even, using one stick of DDR4, instead of 2 is around a 2.58watts saving.

Harder to do on the Intel CPU platform, very easy too on AMD CPU platforms.

I reckon, with that tinkering on the CPU system with a Platinum PSU, his rig would be around 660watts to 670watts.

And, Za1N could choose to lower the settings from 900mv and 1125mhz on the GPUs, for more power savings.

So, he could get him down to 650watts to 660watts

And, that system draw divided by the number of GPUs the motherboard can support - 6-18 GPU variation currently.

19  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Claymore's Dual Ethereum AMD+NVIDIA GPU Miner v11.6 (Windows/Linux) on: April 13, 2018, 04:10:36 PM
So 825 h/sec on monero earns about as much as 29 mh/sec on eth, but monero draws 3/4 the power.  Monero seems like a no brainer for Polaris.

RX 580 is around 98 watts for 29.5mhs on Ethereum with an undervolt to around 895mv.

RX 580 is around 122 watts for 30.0mhs on Ethereum with an undervolt to around 950mv.

RX 480 can get a much lower power draw with undervolting, than the RX 580.

You would be wrong about the power draws for Ethereum.

Maybe you have some exceptional silicon?  Most of the numbers I've seen on these boards are closer to 120W at the wall for rx580, i.e.  about 750W for an ordinary 6-card rig.  Seen plenty of people pulling 800-900 watts, probably bc they're not undervolting enough.  My 580s are undervolted to around 850-860 and they pull about 115-120 from the wall while doing 29-29.5 on eth.  They only pull about 90W on monero while doing 825-850 h/sec.

In any event, even if the magnitude is off, what matters is the relative power draw between eth and xmr.  Even if the 580 is 98W for 29.5 mh/sec, xmr is better to mine at 75W for 850 h/sec.

RX 580 8GB review at 950mv undervolt - 121.8 watts for 30.05mhs

https://cryptoyeti.com/msi-rx580-armor-8g-review-and-bios-mod-guide/3/

Use, HWINFO to verify that you GPUs are accepting those undervolts.

https://www.hwinfo.com/

Because on RX Vega 56 - you cannot set an undervolt below 900mv via Adrenalin drivers.


I've confirmed that the undervolts are being accepted.

I find 659W for a 5-card rig doing 150 MH/sec believable.  I get 174 MH/sec for about 750W.

My point is that the same 5-card rig would probably do at least 4,250 h/sec on monero and pull only about 500W.

The value of the eth mined is about the same as the value of the xmr mined.

I find 98W a bit hard to believe.  I know some well optimized/tuned 470/480 rigs with good silicon can achieve something close to this, but I'm skeptical it can be done with a 580.  Maybe a freak card here or there.



Well,

That is one opinion, the record claimed by a Bitcointalk forum member is 29.3mhs for 77.5watts (Apneal) using Sapphire Nitro+ RX580 Limited Edition.

Check out his thread:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1881008.0

As a tip: the key is to lower the memory voltage and the GPU speed down.

He has a graph of his results, with GPU core voltages, memory voltages, memory strap used, GPU speeds and memory speeds.




Umm, that 77.5 number is the chip power, and not from the wall.  Total power is roughly two parts chip and 1 part VRM.  That's at least 115W consumed by the card.  Depending on efficiency of the PSU used, that's 120-130 watts from the wall, which is about right from my experience.

Just add on 25watts to his figures.

Za1n, on that ANN is saying he is doing, 102watts at 30mhs (down from 108watts after tinkering) with 92% efficient power supply measured at the wall.

And, 120/125 watts in dualmining Ethereum and Decred.

And, as Kilo7 says on that ANN: there are lots of RX 480 sub-100watt roms available for just mining Ethereum.

That 108 (later 102) is the power consumed by the card, not at the wall.  His 6-card rig pulls 760 from the wall, mine did 750.

760 from the wall means his cards are pulling about 120 each from the wall.  Again, that's about right.

Za1n:
"My raw power usage data is:
Total rig draw: 760W (kill-a-watt reading)
PSU 92% efficient (8% inefficient):  760 - 60.8 = 699.2W (or just 760*0.92).
System idle draw (50 watts): 700 - 50 = 650W
Draw per card: 650 / 6 = ~108W"

Above are the raw stats from Za1n, before he fine-tuned his rig.

After fine tuning, Za1n drew 714watts from the wall.

On a Platinum PSU, 94% he would be at 698watts.

His system idle draw is 50 watts - when you are running mining software the system will consume more power - around 80watts from my experience.

This puts, his GPUs power draw around 105watts on his Gold certified PSU or 103 watts on a Platinium certified PSU at the wall.

Za1n, is not trying to set the lowest power consumption, he is using 900mv and 1125 GPU speed. He has headroom to reduce voltages and GPU speeds.
20  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Claymore's Dual Ethereum AMD+NVIDIA GPU Miner v11.6 (Windows/Linux) on: April 12, 2018, 11:57:00 PM
So 825 h/sec on monero earns about as much as 29 mh/sec on eth, but monero draws 3/4 the power.  Monero seems like a no brainer for Polaris.

RX 580 is around 98 watts for 29.5mhs on Ethereum with an undervolt to around 895mv.

RX 580 is around 122 watts for 30.0mhs on Ethereum with an undervolt to around 950mv.

RX 480 can get a much lower power draw with undervolting, than the RX 580.

You would be wrong about the power draws for Ethereum.

Maybe you have some exceptional silicon?  Most of the numbers I've seen on these boards are closer to 120W at the wall for rx580, i.e.  about 750W for an ordinary 6-card rig.  Seen plenty of people pulling 800-900 watts, probably bc they're not undervolting enough.  My 580s are undervolted to around 850-860 and they pull about 115-120 from the wall while doing 29-29.5 on eth.  They only pull about 90W on monero while doing 825-850 h/sec.

In any event, even if the magnitude is off, what matters is the relative power draw between eth and xmr.  Even if the 580 is 98W for 29.5 mh/sec, xmr is better to mine at 75W for 850 h/sec.

RX 580 8GB review at 950mv undervolt - 121.8 watts for 30.05mhs

https://cryptoyeti.com/msi-rx580-armor-8g-review-and-bios-mod-guide/3/

Use, HWINFO to verify that you GPUs are accepting those undervolts.

https://www.hwinfo.com/

Because on RX Vega 56 - you cannot set an undervolt below 900mv via Adrenalin drivers.


I've confirmed that the undervolts are being accepted.

I find 659W for a 5-card rig doing 150 MH/sec believable.  I get 174 MH/sec for about 750W.

My point is that the same 5-card rig would probably do at least 4,250 h/sec on monero and pull only about 500W.

The value of the eth mined is about the same as the value of the xmr mined.

I find 98W a bit hard to believe.  I know some well optimized/tuned 470/480 rigs with good silicon can achieve something close to this, but I'm skeptical it can be done with a 580.  Maybe a freak card here or there.



Well,

That is one opinion, the record claimed by a Bitcointalk forum member is 29.3mhs for 77.5watts (Apneal) using Sapphire Nitro+ RX580 Limited Edition.

Check out his thread:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1881008.0

As a tip: the key is to lower the memory voltage and the GPU speed down.

He has a graph of his results, with GPU core voltages, memory voltages, memory strap used, GPU speeds and memory speeds.




Umm, that 77.5 number is the chip power, and not from the wall.  Total power is roughly two parts chip and 1 part VRM.  That's at least 115W consumed by the card.  Depending on efficiency of the PSU used, that's 120-130 watts from the wall, which is about right from my experience.

Just add on 25watts to his figures.

Za1n, on that ANN is saying he is doing, 102watts at 30mhs (down from 108watts after tinkering) with 92% efficient power supply measured at the wall.

And, 120/125 watts in dualmining Ethereum and Decred.

And, as Kilo7 says on that ANN: there are lots of RX 480 sub-100watt roms available for just mining Ethereum.
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