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2281  Bitcoin / Mining software (miners) / Re: CGMINER GPU FPGA overc monit fanspd RPC stratum linux/windws/osx/mip/r-pi 2.11.3 on: March 29, 2013, 02:14:20 AM
CGMiner has nanosleep and sleep declared, which fucks the build for x86_64-w64-mingw32. Also, pthreads are not listed in the dependencies, and there is no option in configure to specify the prefix for pthreads.
We don't support building for w64 since it serves no useful advantage over 32 bit builds.
BFGMiner has w64-related bugs fixed and officially supported.
However, please note that BFGMiner is well known to brick mining hardware. Avoid it.
As usual, this is a lie.

And just to completely and simply prove that Luke-Jr lies and knows he is lying but has no issue with posting lies on this forum as he does REGULARLY - here is a direct link and quoted copy of the post in his thread that he knows about that says it bricks, and even Luke-Jr's warning about his software possibly bricking ... which it does:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=78192.msg1689104#msg1689104
Made a BFGMiner 2.99.0 + experimental Avalon driver firmware image in case any Avalon users want to give it a try.

Be careful! If this (or anything else) bricks your Avalon's controller, you will need to attach a serial port to recover!
...

tried it, bricks avalon. failsafe works. recovered to stock firmware.
I don't lie. Anyone with a clue can clearly see that an occurance of bricking a controller with a test build clearly marked as possibly having that effect, is not remotely the same thing as "BFGMiner ... brick mining hardware", nor does one person mentioning the result as such make it "well known". Too bad you're too busy trolling to have a clue.
That is software that you posted on the public (crappy) bitcoin wiki on the avalon page for people to use ...
You have also ALREADY got in your clone miner the software for the BFL ASIC hardware that is COMPLETELY UNTESTED.
The hardware doesn't exists yet.
Everyone using your crappy clone miner has that completely UNTESTED code in it.
Your complete lack of testing your crappy code was one of the main issues that you used as an excuse to clone cgminer - when you wrote crappy untested changes to the icarus code that you NEVER tested on window - and it didn't work at all - it locked up cgminer - and you ranted about me overwriting your code that didn;t work ... then decided to clone cgminer and change the names and the donation address:
https://github.com/luke-jr/bfgminer/commit/b9df56511c7bd1a2e1f075e9c184c1a4b0f1ba20
No, you and Con decided to fork the project because he was upset over the announcement of ASICs.
Yes, clearly-labelled alpha releases might be broken! That's to be expected. That's why they're alpha.
2282  Bitcoin / Mining software (miners) / Re: CGMINER GPU FPGA overc monit fanspd RPC stratum linux/windws/osx/mip/r-pi 2.11.3 on: March 29, 2013, 01:34:41 AM
CGMiner has nanosleep and sleep declared, which fucks the build for x86_64-w64-mingw32. Also, pthreads are not listed in the dependencies, and there is no option in configure to specify the prefix for pthreads.
We don't support building for w64 since it serves no useful advantage over 32 bit builds.
BFGMiner has w64-related bugs fixed and officially supported.
However, please note that BFGMiner is well known to brick mining hardware. Avoid it.
As usual, this is a lie.

And just to completely and simply prove that Luke-Jr lies and knows he is lying but has no issue with posting lies on this forum as he does REGULARLY - here is a direct link and quoted copy of the post in his thread that he knows about that says it bricks, and even Luke-Jr's warning about his software possibly bricking ... which it does:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=78192.msg1689104#msg1689104
Made a BFGMiner 2.99.0 + experimental Avalon driver firmware image in case any Avalon users want to give it a try.

Be careful! If this (or anything else) bricks your Avalon's controller, you will need to attach a serial port to recover!
...

tried it, bricks avalon. failsafe works. recovered to stock firmware.
I don't lie. Anyone with a clue can clearly see that an occurance of bricking a controller with a test build clearly marked as possibly having that effect, is not remotely the same thing as "BFGMiner ... brick mining hardware", nor does one person mentioning the result as such make it "well known". Too bad you're too busy trolling to have a clue.
2283  Bitcoin / Mining software (miners) / Re: CGMINER GPU FPGA overc monit fanspd RPC stratum linux/windws/osx/mip/r-pi 2.11.3 on: March 29, 2013, 01:24:01 AM
CGMiner has nanosleep and sleep declared, which fucks the build for x86_64-w64-mingw32. Also, pthreads are not listed in the dependencies, and there is no option in configure to specify the prefix for pthreads.
We don't support building for w64 since it serves no useful advantage over 32 bit builds.
BFGMiner has w64-related bugs fixed and officially supported.
However, please note that BFGMiner is well known to brick mining hardware. Avoid it.
As usual, this is a lie.
2284  Bitcoin / Mining software (miners) / Re: CGMINER GPU FPGA overc monit fanspd RPC stratum linux/windws/osx/mip/r-pi 2.11.3 on: March 29, 2013, 12:30:39 AM
CGMiner has nanosleep and sleep declared, which fucks the build for x86_64-w64-mingw32. Also, pthreads are not listed in the dependencies, and there is no option in configure to specify the prefix for pthreads.
We don't support building for w64 since it serves no useful advantage over 32 bit builds.
BFGMiner has w64-related bugs fixed and officially supported.
2285  Bitcoin / Mining software (miners) / Re: CGMINER GPU FPGA overc monit fanspd RPC stratum linux/windws/osx/mip/r-pi 2.11.3 on: March 28, 2013, 11:42:13 PM
Hi Kano,

I was trying to upgrade from 2.7.6 to 2.11.3

I followed your procedure to update BFL device driver to WinUSB.  Downloaded zadig (for Windows 7), run it as administrator.
I got an error installing WinUSB driver.  Here is the Zadig debug log:

http://www.petermoss.com/akbash/zadig_install_log

Can you add FTDI driver support as an option?  As it is now, I can only use 2.10.5 version.

You'll have to ask the zadig devs.

The FTDI driver blocks direct USB access with libusb, that is why WinUSB is required.
You mean libusb just requires a non-standard driver on Windows.
It does on Linux, too, but libusb has a feature to request the standard driver shutdown (which you're using).

Thankfully, people who want sane FPGA/ASIC support can continue to use BFGMiner, the original FPGA/ASIC miner.
Who knows why anyone still uses your troll fork.
2286  Bitcoin / Mining software (miners) / Re: BFGMiner: modular FPGA/GPU, clk/fans, GBT, RPC, Linux/OpenWrt/PPA/Win64 2.10.5 on: March 28, 2013, 12:08:49 AM
WR703N != Avalon

Made a BFGMiner 2.99.0 + experimental Avalon driver firmware image in case any Avalon users want to give it a try.

Be careful! If this (or anything else) bricks your Avalon's controller, you will need to attach a serial port to recover! I have no way to test this, so try it at your own risk. It should be possible to enable network recovery in U-Boot, but I cannot provide instructions for this yet. That being said, it is based very closely off the original Avalon firmware and driver code, so I don't expect any problems.

There is no web interface or init scripts for BFGMiner at this time, so you will need to use SSH to run it. It is, however, compiled with the usual Text-User-Interface (TUI) and include GNU "Screen".

Edit: OpenWrt trunk (r35828) config used to build this

tried it, bricks avalon. failsafe works. recovered to stock firmware.
Thanks for testing! Can you elaborate on specifically how it is bricked? Were you able to communicate with it at all?
Failsafe is actually using the firmware, so if that works it suggests some kind of config conflict..
2287  Bitcoin / Mining software (miners) / Re: Mining protocol bandwidth comparison: GBT, Stratum, and getwork on: March 27, 2013, 03:07:23 PM
Lets say I have a 2 Th (2,000 Gh) rig, and I need to tell the server collocation host how much bandwidth I think I'm going to use per month, what is the extreme upper limit of the standard deviation?
I came up with 205 KB/sec, or 18 GB/day at the extreme case of difficulty 1 shares with full 1 MB block templates every 30 seconds.
In practice, 2 Th/s would probably be unusable at difficulty 1, so you would be using a variable difficulty pool which would use less bandwidth for submissions (which account for about 134 KB/sec of this estimate).
Surely you jest. Are you sure that's not 18 GB/MONTH?
No, that's the unrealistic extreme upper limit. There is no upper limit besides that.
For a datacenter, 558 GB/mo is nothing anyway. The very cheapest of dedicated servers include 2500 GB.
2288  Bitcoin / Mining software (miners) / Re: Mining protocol bandwidth comparison: GBT, Stratum, and getwork on: March 27, 2013, 11:16:08 AM
If you're looking for the absolute least amount of network traffic, CGMiner's implementation of Stratum is the best.
Not really.. you can degrade BFGMiner's stratum security with the --skip-security-checks parameter.

Yet again you fine gentlemen have overestimated my competence.

Lets say I have a 2 Th (2,000 Gh) rig, and I need to tell the server collocation host how much bandwidth I think I'm going to use per month, what is the extreme upper limit of the standard deviation?
I came up with 205 KB/sec, or 18 GB/day at the extreme case of difficulty 1 shares with full 1 MB block templates every 30 seconds.
In practice, 2 Th/s would probably be unusable at difficulty 1, so you would be using a variable difficulty pool which would use less bandwidth for submissions (which account for about 134 KB/sec of this estimate).
2289  Bitcoin / Mining software (miners) / Re: Mining protocol bandwidth comparison: GBT, Stratum, and getwork on: March 27, 2013, 05:22:06 AM
If you're looking for the absolute least amount of network traffic, CGMiner's implementation of Stratum is the best.
Not really.. you can degrade BFGMiner's stratum security with the --skip-security-checks parameter.
2290  Bitcoin / Mining software (miners) / Re: Mining protocol bandwidth comparison: GBT, Stratum, and getwork on: March 27, 2013, 04:53:40 AM
Is there a simple formula us plebs can use to calculate bandwidth given current difficulty, rig hash rate etc?
It varies by pool mainly. Pools that support variable difficulty should use approximately the same bandwidth regardless of hashrate.
Network difficulty has no effect on bandwidth.

Ignore the troll.
2291  Bitcoin / Mining software (miners) / Re: BFGMiner: modular FPGA/GPU, clk/fans, GBT, RPC, Linux/OpenWrt/PPA/Win64 2.10.5 on: March 26, 2013, 08:04:24 PM
Made a BFGMiner 2.99.0 + experimental Avalon driver firmware image in case any Avalon users want to give it a try.

Be careful! If this (or anything else) bricks your Avalon's controller, you will need to attach a serial port to recover! I have no way to test this, so try it at your own risk. It should be possible to enable network recovery in U-Boot, but I cannot provide instructions for this yet. That being said, it is based very closely off the original Avalon firmware and driver code, so I don't expect any problems.

There is no web interface or init scripts for BFGMiner at this time, so you will need to use SSH to run it. It is, however, compiled with the usual Text-User-Interface (TUI) and include GNU "Screen".

Edit: OpenWrt trunk (r35828) config used to build this

Luke, is there any way to run this without reflashing the firmware?
Not quite so easily. Due to the ridiculously small amount of flash, you can't install packages.
midnightmagic was successful at extracting the binaries/libraries and putting them in tmpfs to run, but that will be lost on reboot.

Is there a change log ( for the avalon build ) of what makes this different or better than the cgminer build in NEXT?
Not sure what "NEXT" is.. the Avalon driver in BFGMiner is basically a clean merge of xiangfu's codebase, so the differences are mostly the usual between cg and BFG: many more bugs fixed, reliable/working GBT support, more updated FPGA drivers, etc
There isn't really any good summary of these differences, but I did start a wiki page comparison of mining software that people can contribute things to.

Note that bfgminer does not have a web interface on OpenWrt yet, so you would be giving that up for now.
On the other hand, the build includes GNU Screen and the ncurses interfaces.
2292  Bitcoin / Mining software (miners) / Re: BFGMiner: modular ASIC/FPGA, GBT, Stratum, RPC, Avalon/Lnx/OpnWrt/PPA/W64 3.0pre on: March 26, 2013, 07:01:34 PM
USB only supports/allows chaining hubs up to 5 deep. Often, your motherboard has at least one hub builtin (so 4 left). Most "USB hub" products with more than 3-4 ports are really just multiple 4 port hubs internally - so count as 2-3 each. On top of that, "USB hub" products are 99% garbage quality. Adding unreliable USB cables on top of that doesn't help either.
Thanks for the info.  I tried using that 12 port hub on Amazon that has a ton of reviews and found it to work fine until I got rid of my x6500's and it immediately started disconnecting after ~10 minutes of running.  It's too bad that USB hubs are so unreliable.. guess it's time for another mining host. :/ (unless there's some mythical high quality usb hub that can be chained)
Sadly, even if you find a model that works well, these manufs like to swap the internals out with no model number changes, so you can't be sure you're buying the same thing Sad

Edit: With that in mind, a Satechi UH-12P I bought used has been working fine, though it's not perfect (it's missing some desirable features).
I had bought that one and it ran my BFLs for 10 minutes then they all started timing out.  I switched to different hubs and they seemed to work fine up until this new problem, so maybe I just got a defective one?
Pretty sure the guy I bought it from ran it full of X6500s. I have a wide variety of devices on it now, maybe half of which are miners.

Do you run Linux? It might be useful to post what lsusb -vv shows for yours and compare it to mine.
Oh I already returned it to amazon and got a refund, sorry. (I do run Linux on my miner but I'm at work right now either way)
I had 3 x6500's and 6 BFLs attached to the 12 port hub and it worked fine, but it started giving me problems as soon as I disconnected the x6500s which I thought was really strange.  I might try buying 4 of those and attaching them all directly to my system so I can put up to 48 devices without buying another host though, if you seem to think they work fine.
X6500 is a lot more "chatty" on USB, so maybe it's some kind of problem with power savings (X6500s preventing that from being active).

My hub has:
  • Yubikey
  • ZTEX 1.15x
  • ModMiner
  • Icarus
  • BitForce Single (FPGA)
  • (empty)
  • X6500
  • (empty)
  • eZ430-Chronos-915 wireless programmer
  • Samsung ML-2510 laser printer
  • ZTEX 1.15y

As I mentioned, USB hub companies like to swap out the internals without changing model numbers, so there's basically no way to predict if you'd be buying the same hub I have.
2293  Bitcoin / Mining software (miners) / Re: BFGMiner: modular ASIC/FPGA, GBT, Stratum, RPC, Avalon/Lnx/OpnWrt/PPA/W64 3.0pre on: March 26, 2013, 06:14:08 PM
USB only supports/allows chaining hubs up to 5 deep. Often, your motherboard has at least one hub builtin (so 4 left). Most "USB hub" products with more than 3-4 ports are really just multiple 4 port hubs internally - so count as 2-3 each. On top of that, "USB hub" products are 99% garbage quality. Adding unreliable USB cables on top of that doesn't help either.
Thanks for the info.  I tried using that 12 port hub on Amazon that has a ton of reviews and found it to work fine until I got rid of my x6500's and it immediately started disconnecting after ~10 minutes of running.  It's too bad that USB hubs are so unreliable.. guess it's time for another mining host. :/ (unless there's some mythical high quality usb hub that can be chained)
Sadly, even if you find a model that works well, these manufs like to swap the internals out with no model number changes, so you can't be sure you're buying the same thing Sad

Edit: With that in mind, a Satechi UH-12P I bought used has been working fine, though it's not perfect (it's missing some desirable features).
I had bought that one and it ran my BFLs for 10 minutes then they all started timing out.  I switched to different hubs and they seemed to work fine up until this new problem, so maybe I just got a defective one?
Pretty sure the guy I bought it from ran it full of X6500s. I have a wide variety of devices on it now, maybe half of which are miners.

Do you run Linux? It might be useful to post what lsusb -vv shows for yours and compare it to mine.
2294  Bitcoin / Mining software (miners) / Re: BFGMiner: modular ASIC/FPGA, GBT, Stratum, RPC, Avalon/Lnx/OpnWrt/PPA/W64 3.0pre on: March 26, 2013, 06:07:46 PM
USB only supports/allows chaining hubs up to 5 deep. Often, your motherboard has at least one hub builtin (so 4 left). Most "USB hub" products with more than 3-4 ports are really just multiple 4 port hubs internally - so count as 2-3 each. On top of that, "USB hub" products are 99% garbage quality. Adding unreliable USB cables on top of that doesn't help either.
Thanks for the info.  I tried using that 12 port hub on Amazon that has a ton of reviews and found it to work fine until I got rid of my x6500's and it immediately started disconnecting after ~10 minutes of running.  It's too bad that USB hubs are so unreliable.. guess it's time for another mining host. :/ (unless there's some mythical high quality usb hub that can be chained)
Sadly, even if you find a model that works well, these manufs like to swap the internals out with no model number changes, so you can't be sure you're buying the same thing Sad

Edit: With that in mind, a Satechi UH-12P I bought used has been working fine, though it's not perfect (it's missing some desirable features).
2295  Bitcoin / Mining software (miners) / Re: BFGMiner: modular ASIC/FPGA, GBT, Stratum, RPC, Avalon/Lnx/OpnWrt/PPA/W64 3.0pre on: March 26, 2013, 04:54:23 PM
USB only supports/allows chaining hubs up to 5 deep. Often, your motherboard has at least one hub builtin (so 4 left). Most "USB hub" products with more than 3-4 ports are really just multiple 4 port hubs internally - so count as 2-3 each. On top of that, "USB hub" products are 99% garbage quality. Adding unreliable USB cables on top of that doesn't help either.
2296  Bitcoin / Mining software (miners) / Re: BFGMiner: modular ASIC/FPGA, GBT, Stratum, RPC, Avalon/Lnx/OpnWrt/PPA/W64 3.0pre on: March 26, 2013, 04:17:36 PM
what's my problem, avg = 282.1, but u = 0, seems not mining.
thanks.
http://p13.freep.cn/p.aspx?u=v20_p13_photo_1303231936187532_0.jpg
Looks like a broken driver. If you could post the card & driver/OpenCL versions that don't work, that could help for information collecting.
2297  Bitcoin / Mining software (miners) / Re: [ANN] Eloipool - FAST Python3 pool server software - GBT/stratum/dyntarget/proxy on: March 26, 2013, 03:00:48 AM
Eloipool is only for python 3.x but the config module it requires is only for python 2.x...
I think you're confused.. the only config "module" is the config file you have to write yourself (possibly based on the included example).
2298  Economy / Games and rounds / Re: Contest: New name for BFGMiner! (0.33 - 1 BTC prize) on: March 25, 2013, 07:48:12 PM
bump, nearing the decision date and that bitcoin reward is looking a bit more valuable Wink

Any last-week submisisons?
2299  Bitcoin / Project Development / Re: Wiki governance on: March 25, 2013, 11:33:18 AM
I have tried discussing things with Luke-jr in the past, but without luck.
Please read this thread.
I am open to trying once again, but a certain set of core discussion rules must be agreed upon.
It had nothing to do with luck, and all to do with your disinterest in doing anything other than censoring important information, and not even checking the Talk page for responses.

Regarding ripper234's proposed core rules...
  • He is linking to a cleanup of the Talk page for Tonal Bitcoin, which was formerly filled with nonsensical trolling. This page was cleaned up to make room for actual discussions. Cleaning up of Talk pages is a fairly standard wiki practice. It is absurd to turn a standard practice into a rule violation.

"Cleaning up" by deleting entire discussions is not standard wiki practice.
Yes, it is. They remain archived in the Talk page history.

This is why I suggested this core rule - discussions (that aren't complete gibrish or spam) should never be deleted / edited away
Yet the example you gave is actually pretty much a good example of gibberish.

This is not Wikipedia. Citations may be preferrable for readers, but are not necessary ordinarily. Original research/creation is also common and necessary practice on this wiki. Points of view are subjective, and are effectively citations in and of themselves - it is absurd to censor a point of view simply because anyone disagrees with it.

I am not claiming that we should reach Wikipedia levels of fanaticism in requiring citations everywhere.
On the other hand, the wiki can't be home to every opinion someone has on a Bitcoin related topic.

Suppose I convinced a group of my friends that satoshi has a secret backdoor through which he can make 100,000,000 bitcoin. Would it be ok to put this under "criticism" section of the main Bitcoin article: "According to some, satoshi can create 100,000,000 bitcoins by using a secret backdoor"?

It would not be ok, and this opinion would be promptly deleted.

Your accusations of Litecoin being a pump & dump are not of the same caliber of "wrongness", but it's still beyond the threshold of what I believe is valid as an opinion that should not be represented in the article. I don't want to turn this thread into a specific discussion of Litecoin, but rather stick to the general rule - when an editor's opinion is disputed, he should bring forth citations to support the claim, and sometimes (after proper discussion) he should conceded that this bit of information is too subjective/POV to be included. As I said, let's conduct the specific discussion of Litecoin on a separate thread.
Litecoin is in fact a pump and dump. Your desire to censor that does not change that.

Finally, the wiki should not depend on this majority-rule-by-trolls forum. As long as bans are kept temporary, there shouldn't often be need of appeals; perhaps a special wiki page can be setup where banned users can post a request should there prove to be a need.

In an ideal world, the wiki should reflect "everyone's" opinions. However, "everyone" is sometimes too inclusive, and some opinions are best left out of the wiki.
I don't know of another way to resolve such conflicts except agree to abide by majority rule.
Without this basic agreement, the wiki will continue to be the battlefield for edit wars, which are just not constructive.
The point I meant to make is that this forum (BitcoinTalk) is basically 99% trolls, and productive community members avoid it for that reason.
It is not overly useful for real discussions.
2300  Bitcoin / Project Development / Re: Wiki governance on: March 25, 2013, 02:43:24 AM
First of all, it is not correct to say none of the current admins do anything. At least nanotube and sgornick have been proactive in managing the wiki recently.

It seems (from the Bitcoin Foundation thread) that the decision to make ripper234 an admin was done without any background check, and his self-nomination made with the intent to abuse power, an intention he has recently made explicit on reddit. Therefore, regardless of whether the Foundation is to manage the wiki or not (it currently does not), ripper234 should probably not be made an admin at this time.

Both proposals under "Future" are probably unnecessary. While certain people occasionally wage edit wars, usually to troll or censor others, the current wiki management seems to be working just fine for the most part. Perhaps a warning/ban rule should be established for the users who vandalise the wiki for trolling and/or censorship to avoid edit wars, but that seems to be the only real problem.

Regarding ripper234's proposed core rules...
  • He is linking to a cleanup of the Talk page for Tonal Bitcoin, which was formerly filled with nonsensical trolling. This page was cleaned up to make room for actual discussions. Cleaning up of Talk pages is a fairly standard wiki practice. It is absurd to turn a standard practice into a rule violation.
  • This is not Wikipedia. Citations may be preferrable for readers, but are not necessary ordinarily. Original research/creation is also common and necessary practice on this wiki. Points of view are subjective, and are effectively citations in and of themselves - it is absurd to censor a point of view simply because anyone disagrees with it.
  • Edit wars are a symptom of trolls/censors getting away with their vandalism. Outright forbidding of them effectively only stops wiki correction (half the "edit war"), making the problem worse. If anything, the root cause should be addressed.

Finally, the wiki should not depend on this majority-rule-by-trolls forum. As long as bans are kept temporary, there shouldn't often be need of appeals; perhaps a special wiki page can be setup where banned users can post a request should there prove to be a need.
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