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I see your point of view and you are right, I totally agree. But your answer has nothing to do with the original question.
I asked that why do we need bitcoin mixers, if there is Monero. We can change BTC to XMR and vica versa on no-KYC exchanges, and make an XMR to XMR transaction between the changes. This is a theoretical question.
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Now, that the mixers are banned from this forum, I wonder, why do we even need BTC mixers.
A non-KYC exchange solves the mixer problem where Bitcoin and Monero are available too.
1. If you have bitcoin which is connected to you and you want an untraceable one, you should:
i) Go to an (even KYC) exchange, where you change your BTC to XMR.
ii) Send the XMR to 'monero_address_1'.
iii) Send the XMR from 'monero_address_1' to 'monero_address_2' outside of the exchange.
iiii) Send XMR from 'monero_address_2' to a non/KYC exchange and change your XMR to BTC.
2. If you have 'dirty' bitcoin and you want a clear one, you should:
i) Go to a non-KYC exchange, where you change your BTC to XMR.
ii) Send the XMR to 'monero_address_1'.
iii) Send the XMR from 'monero_address_1' to 'monero_address_2' outside of the exchange.
iiii) Send XMR from 'monero_address_2'q to an (even KYC) exchange and change it to BTC.
As I see it, there are non-KYC services where you can change BTC to XMR or XMR to BTC.
According to my research, e.g. changenow.io seems a KYC exchange, but they don't ask your documents, only in case of suspicious transactions. Or do you know surely non-KYC echanges with BTC <-> XMR change possibility?
What do i miss?
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Chipmixer have Tor link, so they wouldn't know your real IP. Converting Bitcoin to Monero is another option, but which exchanges you'll use? This will have concern about your privacy too. If you use centralized exchanges, they will store your data even worst ask your KYC. Bisq is fully decentralized and you can use Tor when set up the software. Yes, there is something like this that I think about. Could you please give examples for such a services?
The one zillion dollar question: "Who let the dogs out?".
Have a great day.
PS. Wraps and bridges for the BTC. Possible. fBTC, TRC20 BTC. You name it. Don't get painted up the corner.
Some of the wraps are self compounding. Get on it. Come and get your love.
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Chipmixer have Tor link, so they wouldn't know your real IP. Converting Bitcoin to Monero is another option, but which exchanges you'll use? This will have concern about your privacy too. If you use centralized exchanges, they will store your data even worst ask your KYC. Bisq is fully decentralized and you can use Tor when set up the software. My original BTC address is connected to me, and if they store the data, de mixed addressess will be connected also. Doesn`t matter if the ChipMixer works through TOR network. In my first comment I wrote, that I want to use an exchange without KYC. |
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@jackg
I don't want to help them because I am not so brave. It is easier to recognise my face by the government. But I want the change in my country so I try to support them other ways.
Now back to the question:
I see that everyone is very confident about chipmixer, but how can you trust they really doesn't store the data? There is a chance to store the data to save their ass in the future, if it would help them during an FBI investigation or something.
So I will send the money through the Wasabi wallet and ChipMixer also.
Could you give me one more trustable mixer solution?
Is it ok, if the ChipMixer is the last one in the mixing chain?
Do you think that it increases the anonimity if I change BTC to Monero, send to another address and then back to BTC?
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Hi everyone,
I need your help. I live in a country where the current government dominates everything and suppresses the other parties, the media and everything. There is part of the people, who try to fight against the government and I want to support them. I want to send them money. They accept bitcoin also. I decided to spend 0.3 BTC of my crypto. I know that this is not too much but this is the amount I can afford myself and help our country to be better.
I know that bitcoin is not anonym, my current address can be connected to my personal data because I bought it in a KYC site years ago. Because the government controls everything strongly, I really afraid that they will find me and have to go to prison.
What is the best way to clear this 0.3 BTC to not be connected to me?
I know that there is Chipmixer which sends me chips that was created in the past. I like the principle of this site, but how can I be sure, that they really don`t save the data, and if the site will be hacked and everything revealed, the chips can be connected to me? Or shall I use three different mixer services, and hopefully, one of them will never be hacked? I know that the mixing has costs, especially if I use three mixers. But I pay the price, if they save me.
Which are the best mixers? (Coinjoin, Chipmixer, ...?)
Or is there any exchange, which has no KYC, and I can change the BTC to Monero, send to another address, and then change back to BTC and make it not connected to me?
(I am very careful, I write this message through the TOR network also.)
Thank all of you for the help!
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