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1  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: bip 39 mnemonic pass phrase on: March 16, 2022, 11:51:17 PM
Even if that ever happens, don't worry -- you won't lose access to your funds. As long as there are no hard forks in the bitcoin network, which could make things that work today unfunctional in the future, your private keys will still be able to unlock the coins you have obtained in the past. Your private keys are derived deterministically from your seed phrase; the process of derivation is described in certain standards. Everything about these standards is completely transparent, and all the code is free to download and implement into any wallet. Most wallets have already adopted these standards, it is extremely unlikely they will switch to something else in the foreseeable future. Even if they find a better way to organize wallets, the old code won't suddenly disappear, be forgotten, or be destroyed. You will always be able to find old versions of software that use BIP39 standards, and therefore you can always recreate your keys from your initial seed phrase.

OK, that is very reassuring and what I was trying to get at in the OP. So the only thing I should conceivably worry about is a hard-fork of bitcoin which deprecates entirely the version compatible with BIP39 (admittedly a very, very unlikely, bordering on impossible, thought admittedly we can never say anything to 100%, scenario)?

Charles-Tim: Is there any value in writing down the name and firmware version of the wallet used to generate the keys from the seed words along side the seed or is that just overkill?


Edit: In all this I am thinking of the scenario of bequeathing my bitcoin to my grandchildren (not that I have any, just a scenario) many decades from now. If I leave them only my seed is this likely to be enough for them to recover my/their bitcoin whenever they desired? How much information would they likely need at a minimum?
2  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: bip 39 mnemonic pass phrase on: March 15, 2022, 04:03:34 AM
If I use a Trezor One AFAIK the derivational path from the link at the bottom of my previous post is:

BIP44: m/44'/0'/0'/0/0

So I just write this below my seed words in my seed note?
3  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: bip 39 mnemonic pass phrase on: March 13, 2022, 08:57:20 PM

If you have the seed phrase but don't know the derivation path, you can probably look it up if you know the name of the wallet software, or perhaps you can even run the old wallet and see what it uses. Or, as a last resort you can use software that will search for any derivation paths that have coins on them.

https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/BIP_0032
https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/BIP_0044




Derivation path = BIP number?

BIP32: m/0'/0/0 for hierarchical deterministic (old)
BIP44: m/44'/0'/0'/0/0 for legacy
BIP49: m/49'/0'/0'/0/0 for nested segwit
BIP84: m/84'/0'/0'/0/0  for native segwit

Or should I just write which of these is applicable below my seed?


For example, which of the below should I add to my "seed card":

https://wiki.trezor.io/Standard_derivation_paths
4  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: bip 39 mnemonic pass phrase on: March 13, 2022, 12:42:11 AM
In addition to the phrase, you need the derivation paths of all of your accounts. Typically, you can look up the derivation paths that the wallet uses, so you don't absolutely need to record them. The derivation paths are important because different wallets may use different derivation paths. So, if you move to another wallet you may need to enter custom derivation paths instead of the default paths used by the wallet.

In what way would knowledge of which wallet a seed was generated on would effect recovery of the keys from the seed on another wallet? Say in 30 years time or some other long time period the wallet I generated my keys on was no longer available and all I kept was the seed. How recoverable are my keys? This thread began from me thinking about long-term storage of bitcoin without having to keep current on developments in the field. "Just keep your seed and forget about it" sort of thing.

Also what do you mean by "derivation paths?" How would that effect the recovery of keys from a seed?
5  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / bip 39 mnemonic pass phrase on: March 12, 2022, 01:24:32 AM
Hi all. I have one question (well two actually) that I think I know the answer to but want to be 100% on and cannot find a precise answer to. If I keep secure only my BIP 39 seed pass phrase is this all I will ever need to recover my private keys? Do I need to keep additional information as well? I have heard you should keep such things as the wallet you generated the keys on, the date you generated the seed etc. Is this really necessary? Is there a chance in future the bitcoin standard could evolve away from the 24-word BIP39 standard and my seed phrase could become inoperable to regenerate my private keys?

My second question is what coins are not covered by the BIP39 pass phrase? I heard etherum isn't but uses another standard. Any others? Do most coins do so? Thanks in advance!
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