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Dear SFR10, https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=521899I am owner of MinersMall and my worker just let me know that you have placed negative feedback in our profile without single reason or being our customer at all. We like to inform you that we work with top 25 Chinese company and everyone can confirm partnership with us. We offer proof of ownership for our miners, we also offer secure way thru Alibaba and etc if the buyer needs buyer protection. May we know the reason of your trust abuse? Because there is nothing else than trust abuse for this negative feedback. If its because our topic is closed, this topic is not for negotiation, posts and etc. We are using it to update daily prices, miners and stock. We don't need any posts on it, we don't deal in the forum directly, only if customer needs it. We are not here for feedback also, we already have big feedback from most of the biggest sellers in Alibaba. So, kindly explain us the reason of your trust abuse please. Thank you. YCT Matt You are a user looking to do business on a bitcoin forum, but not willing to do business the way that the users of this forum are used to doing business. You want users to blindly trust you, but you yourself are not trying to blindly trust an escrow provider from this forum who likely has hundreds if not thousands of successful transactions done. This to me screams scammer. You also have a complaint against you which doesn't make your story believable. Then on top of that, you make a thread and lock it, which is typical scammer activity. I suggest you quit while you made your $4k and leave the forum. Of course i am not willing to use forum well known for its scamming and non-moderated scams with previous history of 4+ scamming escrows. Positive or negative feedback on this forum means nothing to us, we already have strong business with big re-sellers and this only prove google reviews and everything said to this forum. We tried to do business here and give people opportunity to buy miners at little bit better price, but we still like how people buying it from our re-sellers which is also okay with us. It doesn't really matter any opinions from people who never bought from us directly ( but from our re-sellers ). All we see here is competition push, but sadly, nothing can push us in thru legit websites with legit escrow system. People place false feedback, attacking for no reason, and other newbies claiming to paid us thousands dollars just like that. Funny thing is this forum, no wonder there is only very few from thousands active thru the years. Since we don't care about any feedback or reviews on here, we will continue giving the opportunity to new buyers to buy miners at better price. |
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None of my Alibaba partners would risk steal 4000$ consider all of us handle more than 20-40k as orders per day. You don't have to believe me, simply check the Alibaba feedback system. Now, if we follow the logic, and not some good paint.exe skills it is obvious that no one with his mind would trust new seller like us in this forum without protection. You claim that this brand new member (like me) trusted another brain new member with 4000$+ without using security? Also the very same person have buying topic saying he would only deal thru escrow: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5410812 Correct me if i am wrong but, it seems like some unsatisfied "customer" which low ball offer was rejected trying to ruin something we don't even have here (reputation) with "trade" that never happened. We have many people like this one contact us everyday, that don't surprise me at all. I just like the power they put in once their lowball offers get rejected. |
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Automated system would be ALWAYS more trusted than any human being.
As i said above, statistics shows that people scam quit for many reasons, system cannot scam quit.
Not sure why different people repeat same questions which were already answered
How we can know that these users are your partners and you're providing to them miners? I mean you're a newbie without a website, without alibaba, just a telegram account... I am not accusing you but for sure it's a bit strange that a big suppliers has nothing then a ... telegram account ... BTW the choice of escrow is a critical aspect, that's why people are asking several times.... and until now what you have always repeated is that "you will only rely on ALIBABA automatic system". Ok I understand that "human beings" can make mistakes. You can explain an issue to human... and of course if they make a mistake they lose trust, it's their main interest avoid any issue .... and for sure escrows (reputable/bigger ones here on forum) doesn't need to SCAM ANYONE  An automatic system can be very well defrauded (example how does the automatic system check that they have sent to the correct address a WORKING miner? ehehehhe ) I think you need to evaluate the chance to have also 1/2 of escrows from forum. People will be assured to made this kind of transactions. You asking me how you should ask Alibaba seller anything ? They have WhatsApp numbers  Feel free to contact them and ask for YCT Matt Also, i am not aware why that is so important consider the buyer will use shop from Alibaba with thousands of feedback and escrow system? You saying automatic system can be very well defrauded ? Then defraud it and get paid for your knowledge so they can make it better, that's what big company doing for people who can defraud their security systems. If you are such a genius who can defraud Alibaba escrow service, i admire you and i believe you should be paid for that knowledge. P.S: I am not interested to use escrow from the forum. Sadly it is known as paradise of scammers way better than Telegram because of the non-moderated scams. Before we register, we read a lot for this forum. I will repeat once again myself, we respect each and any escrow that is legit here from years, and we can only be happy that kind of people exists, but we trust more systems than humans. Because humans are greedy, scamming and they may have serious reasons to scam quit. Nothing against bitcointalk escrows, for sure those who operate from years are proven legit, and we don't say they are not. We are saying that no one ever can know when a individual can be forced by bad situations in their life to do something that can affect both us as sellers and our buyers such as scamming. |
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We supply the sellers on Alibaba, we don't need Alibaba profile. If someone wants to buy the miners we provide, we redirect the buyers to our Alibaba partners. Whoever offer better price for the seller, he get recommended. I should ask our 20+ partners should i post their Alibaba profiles here or not. If that's allowed here and they have no problems with that, i will be more than happy to make free advertise. So buying from me, or from my partners that using Alibaba is the very same. I will share those who won't mind giving them free advertise: https://cooldragon.en.alibaba.com/https://pmglobal.alibaba.comhttps://www.alibaba.com/premiumsupplier/shenzhen_apexto_electronic.html....
no you haven't replied before to that question but you have always mentioned that you want to offer you rely in Alibaba. this forum has some escrows really experts in this field (mining) and many others that has offered their service for thousands of dollars... they are acting with large sums of money.... I don't know why an automated trusted system from a third part site (!) should be more effective than a reputable escrow from the forum but thank you for your answer Automated system would be ALWAYS more trusted than any human being. As i said above, statistics shows that people scam quit for many reasons, system cannot scam quit. Not sure why different people repeat same questions which were already answered |
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If i unlock my topic, which we don't need any posts on it than only ours for stock and prices, people like this one who post non-proof based non-sense will spam on it.
That may be true, but in normal circumstances newbies posting unproven accusations will largely go ignored, especially if the organization in question has a good reputation. If the service provider is new, or otherwise unproven, then it's their obligation to put others' minds at ease. Post links to your reviews or other references. It's one thing to come here and claim that you're legit, and then there're actions you can take to prove it. So far, you've only made the claims. Canaan, Creative Zhensen and many many more all using Telegram.
Just because many scammers using it, that doesn't mean everyone using Telegram is scam.
We, the suppliers most of the time using WhatsApp, which is also known as "scammers paradise".
But we want or no, we have to use instant-chat programs to communicate.
You should not put everyone in same shoe just because some instant-chat app have bad reputation-
Deflection is not a professional way to deal with criticism. All of us who use Telegram are aware of it's legitimate uses, there's no need to remind us. We're also aware of how simple it is for people to completely disappear from Telegram.
Again, if you want to put an end to these allegations the ball is in your court. If you were to post links to your reviews and partner referrals, I'm sure SFR10 will remove his negative review, and most likely this thread will wither away. Isn't that what you want? Once again, we do not expect people to pay us upfront based on any reputation. Our reputation can be easy proven with simple phone call or different method with many of the Alibaba suppliers. Yes it is new here, not new in the selling mining scene. Our claims can be easy proven or they can be ignored and escrow service such as Alibaba could be used, that depends on the buyer. We do not refuse buyer security, so our claims doesn't even affect or matter here. You cannot be sure will other person remove any review because it was placed without any proof, so if the very same user care about proofs, he would never post anything like that. I am not aware why should i repeat myself about the escrow service and proof of ownership. Both of them are provided, both of them can be used by the buyer by any way he desire. What someone claim without proofs should be considered as trash talk. P.S: We only want reputation no matter good or bad based on proofs. We will go thru our way to be known here also And if its proof based, it will be positive for sure. |
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I think negative feedback is too strong if it's based on only this post: Hi Guys,
Be very careful of a new forum member on here named "YCTMatt". He has photos of some friend he has in China with miners, but is a scam. Several folks have sent him BTC for miners and got nothing in return except for fake tracking numbers. Mods need to do something about this ASAP. He also locks the thread so no one can respond in his thread. Buyer beware guys! Buyer Beware Neutral feedback should be more than enough to point any potential buyer towards that post, so they can make their own decision. I kinda expect people who pay thousands of dollars for hardware to take their own precautions anyway, and not just trust anything they see online. Newbie whitepunk has a point about the locked thread though. @YCTMatt: it's better if you unlock your topic, instead of asking people to contact you on (scammers' paradise) Telegram. Thanks for your opinion Loyce! All instant chat programs should be called "Scammers paradise" based on the things i read so far in many topics how people react on outside forum deals. If i unlock my topic, which we don't need any posts on it than only ours for stock and prices, people like this one who post non-proof based non-sense will spam on it. Canaan, Creative Zhensen and many many more all using Telegram. Just because many scammers using it, that doesn't mean everyone using Telegram is scam. We, the suppliers most of the time using WhatsApp, which is also known as "scammers paradise". But we want or no, we have to use instant-chat programs to communicate. You should not put everyone in same shoe just because some instant-chat app have bad reputation-
I have a curiosity @YCTMatt ... this for me is a kind of red flag or at least a bit suspicious in the end you accept or do not accept the use of an escrow here from the forum? I saw in the reference topic that you did not answer this question! https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5410523.msg60799151#msg60799151for example I have never used alibaba as a service (and I don't know how it can really be helpful since I am based in another continent and resolve an issue it's clear impossible). So did you accept forum escrow? Thank you in advance We are not forced to use bitcointalk escrow. We can use Alibaba escrow, Aliexpress escrow and so. Don't get me wrong, people scam quit, automated escrow service cannot scam quit. I already answer the part with the "escrow" but seems like no one reading. Trust me, we don't expect people to send us blindly thousands of usd on this forum. We are open to any non-human based escrow service. Once again, full respect on each escrow here but people scam and automated escrow systems don't [moderator's note: consecutive posts merged] |
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I am not looking to force anyone paying us upfront by showing any feedback.
Alibaba have escrow system and it is secure for the buyer if he needs escrow.
We haven't done deal so far in this forum for this "several people send him bitcoin and they were scammed" to be true.
Users always can upfront if they want, but if they need protection, it always be used.
I am not aware of what we are defending here consider we don't violate any written or non written rule as we provided proof for our miners as we already stated, and we provide security for the buyer.
If someone like to abuse his powers to kick the competition that's different thing.
Otherwise, who said what without proofs is just trash talk and should not be considered.
YCT Matt
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There is nothing to be resolved.
We provide proof of ownership, we provide secure payment method such as Alibaba escrow if buyer require it.
This topic is needed only to post our new arrivals and prices and that's why it is locked.
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Dear SFR10, https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=521899I am owner of MinersMall and my worker just let me know that you have placed negative feedback in our profile without single reason or being our customer at all. We like to inform you that we work with top 25 Chinese company and everyone can confirm partnership with us. We offer proof of ownership for our miners, we also offer secure way thru Alibaba and etc if the buyer needs buyer protection. May we know the reason of your trust abuse? Because there is nothing else than trust abuse for this negative feedback. If its because our topic is closed, this topic is not for negotiation, posts and etc. We are using it to update daily prices, miners and stock. We don't need any posts on it, we don't deal in the forum directly, only if customer needs it. We are not here for feedback also, we already have big feedback from most of the biggest sellers in Alibaba. So, kindly explain us the reason of your trust abuse please. Thank you. YCT Matt |
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Do you offer this through alibaba don’t the guy can get some insurance?Or would you use reputable escrow here from the forum?
Hello dear! We offer many ways with insurance for buyer. We provide legal invoice, contract and everything needed. Feel free to check the companies we are partner with, we are on the market from long time in China. All process is transparent and secure for buyer |
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