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61  Economy / Goods / AnCap Flags for Sale at The Daily Anarchist on: September 27, 2011, 10:45:41 PM
Seth King of the Daily Anarchist is now accepting bitcoins for his flags.  Check out his website and take a look at the flags:  http://dailyanarchist.com/store/.

Note: His server-side client to receive bitcoins through the store isn't up and running yet, but if you contact him directly through email you can purchase the flags with bitcoins. 
62  Other / Politics & Society / Human Rationality on: September 24, 2011, 11:44:22 PM
Actually, I'll go ahead and make the claim that everyone is a rational actor.  Not everyone acts in their own best interest, but they always act in what they think is their own best interest.  Mises says that the incentive to act is always some uneasiness or discontent.  The problem is the lack of perfect information.
63  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Ron Paul Cheering Entrance California on: September 24, 2011, 11:27:36 PM
Just wondering what is the appeal to Ron Paul ?  He is so far out there with his thinking how could he possibly win?
I agree with him on a few fundamental issues, but I think he is absolutely nuts with 70% of the stuff he says. That being said, he is still 99% better than all of the other Republican candidates combined.

What is he nuts on?

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Edit: I am seriously about to consider switching my party affiliation just to help RP out.

Do it.  Ron Paul is waaaaayyy better than Perry or Bachmann or anyone else. 
64  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Ron Paul Gets 45% in the California Straw Poll on: September 24, 2011, 11:16:07 PM
So, rumor has it that some anti-war ex-Obama supporters registered as Republican and rigged the game or is the grass roots support stronger than ever? Is it all of the above?

Last I checked, the uncompromising doctor had an unfailing <10% of the nation; the strongest fan base of any of the candidates. Despite the corporatist quelling of the media regarding the doctor, I feel the man may have a chance as president regardless.

The American Revolution took only 13.5% of the nation to engage. Could we see a similar grass-roots revolution take place with Dr. Paul?

Probably the former, but straw polls generally mean very little. I'd expect nothing other than Romney or Perry v. Obama at this point.

Straw polls mean very little when Ron Paul does well.  If he does poorly they are an example of why he's doomed to fail. 
65  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Am I a political hypocrite? on: September 13, 2011, 10:28:12 PM

Is it weird or hypocritical that I go about my life freely without thought of governance but think it's a really good thing that others feel constrained by laws and government?

Or am I just some kind of psycho?  I really just don't trust the judgment of others.

Sorry, but if this is the case, why are you asking for our opinions?
66  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Teen calls mum as bears eat her on: September 13, 2011, 10:25:23 PM
Delicious.


Actually I've heard bears are pretty gamey.  I think it depends largely on their diet.
67  Other / Off-topic / God Doesn't Exist on: September 13, 2011, 08:13:20 AM
There is no God.

While highly likely to be true, I am curious as to what relationship you see between the (non)existence of God and bears having lunch.

I'll let you figure it out.

Haha

How could an all-powerful all-loving God let something this horrible happen?

I still think this news article is fake.
68  Other / Meta / Re: Info about the recent attack on: September 11, 2011, 06:04:51 AM
This is so irritating.  So if I have a 14 character password with lower case + numbers + symbols what are the odds it will be cracked?  I guess I should probably just change it anyway, to be safe.  Good thing I don't use it anywhere else otherwise this would be even more irritating.
69  Other / Politics & Society / Re: The last president that tried to end the FED was assassinated. on: September 09, 2011, 06:32:29 PM
Wow.  Is life in America really that bad?  Surely you are over-dramatising?

It's getting pretty bad.  Some places are worse than others.  In Illinois, a man is facing 75 years in jail for video and audio recording police officers.  It's called "eavesdropping".  I'm sure you will agree that that is ridiculous.  Where I live "eavesdropping" isn't illegal and this sort of charge would not be tolerated, but the trend is worsening. 
70  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Book request to the dwellers Politics & Society on: September 09, 2011, 06:26:51 PM
Political ideals are like a hammer without any building materials. Mostly useless. Furthermore, is your focus on building houses or blacksmithing? One would require a framing hammer, the other a ball peen hammer. Choose your vocation, then acquire the building materials, then your hammer.

Books on political ideals are like hammers as well, and the knowledge upon which to apply them are the building materials. Choose your calling, then acquire the knowledge, and then select the political ideal which furthers that calling.

Thus, recommending books whose main focus is a political ideology is like recommending a hammer in the vacuum of any knowledge about the real world. Far more constructive (the metaphorical use of the word 'constructive' works well here) is to recommend or request books on real world issues that the world faces.

There is a definite imbalance here related to the book recommendations.

To further the analogy, I suspect that many libertarians here like to call themselves libertarians the way another likes to wear a costume. You too can buy a tool belt and fit a framing hammer into its loop and walk around feeling like a can do handyman. So go arm yourself with the latest book on libertarian thought, and walk about spouting the latest libertarian values - the ultimate rebel without a cause.

Of course, we all know what the term rebel without a cause means - it means you've got a political ideology, but no cause. Like I was saying, find a cause first.

Find a cause first, then selectively choose books and mold your political ideology to fit your cause regardless of the facts, logic and truth.  Sounds like a good plan.

I already have my causes.  I want to pay less taxes to useless programs (like Social Security) and offensive ones (like foreign wars of aggression), I want to be able to make liquor in my backyard without getting arrested, I want my children to be able to sell lemonade to their neighbors in the park without getting harassed by police officers, I want the public to be able to video and audio record police officers (public servants) without facing 75 years of jail time, I want the internet to remain free, I want it to be easier for companies to grow and sell organic food without having to worry about FDA raids on their stores, I want the Federal Reserve abolished and I want a return to sound money (gold or silver backed currency) in my country.
71  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Libertarian Capitalism vs Social Democracy - A metaphor on: September 08, 2011, 06:32:42 PM
Libertarian Capitalists believes that if you do not govern, if you leave to chaos - then the emergent outcome will be better than meddling; out will come greatest productivity from less government intervention.

And in a sense they are right. Competition leads to the aggressive seeking out of all niches. In a narrow sense, there is greater economic activity. And this is what it looks like:



Social Democrats advocate a mixed economy where the state is prepared to invest time and effort into planning for the future. And this is what happens when you plan and maintain:



Remember, there may be more Biomass raised by leaving entirely to nature (Biomass analogous to wealth measured by GDP) than the forced unnatural occurrence of a field of potatoes. But the latter will feed more people.


http://a-new-red-dawn.blogspot.com/2010/11/this-is-what-libertarian-capitalism.html

This is a joke, right?  You realize people and grass aren't the same things and pretty pictures don't mean your logic is correct.  Besides, I like Immanuel Go's picture better.

I've presented a metaphor which supports my views. Metaphor is a good way of making an argument when the processes are in someway similar. And I think I can argue well enough that the metaphor can be pushed far and therefore has power.

In an economy, there are many agents buying and selling, surviving either by merit or by established power. In nature it is the same, regarding survival adaptation and other matters such as diversity. Ecosystem metaphors are seen by many as a good way of looking at the economy.

The reason why libertarians and capitalists get upset about ecosystem metaphors is because it touches a very raw nerve? With a huge part of the world economy driven by ecosystem services, use of the nature metaphors reminds them that a large part of the economy does not exist to their ideology, and yet it plainly does and justifies regulation on a global scale.

And thats before you touch them with the ticklestick of global warming.

Again, if you think people are the equivalent of plants there's not much more I can say to you.  It's a terrible metaphor because humans are acting thinking beings while plants are not.  Society is composed of people, ecosystems are composed of plants and animals.  See the difference?
72  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Libertarian Capitalism vs Social Democracy - A metaphor on: September 07, 2011, 04:25:47 AM
This is a joke, right?  You realize people and grass aren't the same things and pretty pictures don't mean your logic is correct.  Besides, I like Immanuel Go's picture better.

You may like Immanuel Go's picture better, but you haven't indicated that you're interested in methods to make sure that such environments will be around much longer or in abundance given your political ideological beliefs.

My point is simply: Bad logic and pretty pictures do not an argument make.  Do you disagree?

I am still developing my political beliefs and am trying to keep an open mind which is why I actually listen to what you say and follow up on some of the resources you link, instead of blindly dismissing your viewpoints.  I simply am unconvinced that government is the only way to preserve such natural beauty. 
73  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Seriously, though, how would a libertarian society address global warming? on: September 07, 2011, 04:17:05 AM
You just said you were ok with a system of mob rule: "collective action" and "majority defined regulation".  My question was an extreme example, but you have to look at the extremes to make sense of the philosophy.  Here's a milder one: If the majority of society decided that they needed to confiscate all motor vehicles in the country to reduce carbon emissions, would that be ok?

If you aren't here to argue philosophy and philosophical positions you are in the wrong forum, or at least the wrong thread.  The topic is "how would a libertarian society address global warming?".  I'm trying to argue philosophy: libertarian vs. the current system.  You insult my philosophical question, and tell me that "If I could, I would like to be able to influence policy to get governments to enact regulation to help save the environment."  Fine.  But you're in the wrong thread.

If you wish to look at extremes, start looking at extremes with regard to libertarian policies.


I have.  One of the difficult questions I ask which I don't currently have a good answer to is: Does it make sense that someone could own the world's water supply?  Improbabilities aside, libertarianism states that a single individual could own the world's entire water supply as long as they homesteaded it properly or obtained it through voluntary exchange.  Does this make sense?  I'm not sure it does, but looking at the extremes allows an examination of the ideology. 

Regarding the confiscation of all motor vehicles, how could society agree to such a thing if, as you say, it's really extreme?

So what you are saying is society never agrees to anything that is extreme?  I'll let you think about that.

Regarding the wrong thread, I can turn the tables on you and state that if the subject of the thread is how libertarians would handle Global Warming, then you have no business asking me how a non libertarian society handles extreme examples.
If you're so insistent on sticking to the letter of the thread's topic, then answer the question posed by the thread's title.

This is fair.  I was being somewhat of a hypocrite because I was irritated, and I can admit that.  But I still wonder why you are wasting your time on a forum dominated by libertarians trying to convince them that more government regulation is good.  Really, if you are so concerned about the environment and you believe the only way to fix that is through government action, why aren't you running for political office, starting an environmental group on a college campus, teaching grade school kids about the need for conservation, etc. etc. instead of being here on this forum?  Seriously.  Re-evaluate your strategies.  How many people have you convinced so far on this forum?
74  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Libertarian Capitalism vs Social Democracy - A metaphor on: September 07, 2011, 04:02:44 AM
Libertarian Capitalists believes that if you do not govern, if you leave to chaos - then the emergent outcome will be better than meddling; out will come greatest productivity from less government intervention.

And in a sense they are right. Competition leads to the aggressive seeking out of all niches. In a narrow sense, there is greater economic activity. And this is what it looks like:



Social Democrats advocate a mixed economy where the state is prepared to invest time and effort into planning for the future. And this is what happens when you plan and maintain:



Remember, there may be more Biomass raised by leaving entirely to nature (Biomass analogous to wealth measured by GDP) than the forced unnatural occurrence of a field of potatoes. But the latter will feed more people.


http://a-new-red-dawn.blogspot.com/2010/11/this-is-what-libertarian-capitalism.html

This is a joke, right?  You realize people and grass aren't the same things and pretty pictures don't mean your logic is correct.  Besides, I like Immanuel Go's picture better.
75  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Seriously, though, how would a libertarian society address global warming? on: September 07, 2011, 01:51:14 AM
So, to clarify, in your system if society decided that we needed to kill all Mexicans that would be ok?

Seriously, are you twelve? Sorry for the insult, but your question kind of deserves it - see below.

To begin with, it's not my system. It's called the state of the World today, and the participating governments, which do in fact apply regulation, or in your words, coercion. If I could, I would like to be able to influence policy to get governments to enact regulation to help save the environment.

As I said, I don't have a system. I'm a participant in the real world.

You just said you were ok with a system of mob rule: "collective action" and "majority defined regulation".  My question was an extreme example, but you have to look at the extremes to make sense of the philosophy.  Here's a milder one: If the majority of society decided that they needed to confiscate all motor vehicles in the country to reduce carbon emissions, would that be ok?

If you aren't here to argue philosophy and philosophical positions you are in the wrong forum, or at least the wrong thread.  The topic is "how would a libertarian society address global warming?".  I'm trying to argue philosophy: libertarian vs. the current system.  You insult my philosophical question, and tell me that "If I could, I would like to be able to influence policy to get governments to enact regulation to help save the environment."  Fine.  But you're in the wrong thread.
76  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Seriously, though, how would a libertarian society address global warming? on: September 07, 2011, 01:09:09 AM
These are all coercive by definition.  Your philosophy is a philosophy of might makes right and mob rule.

So what? Call it what you want. What needs to be done needs to be done.

So, to clarify, in your system if society decided that we needed to kill all Mexicans that would be ok?
77  Economy / Economics / Re: US is getting hit with disasters. on: September 07, 2011, 12:51:29 AM
They just used a hack to get more money one too many times... the disasters always follow that!

(how many of you played the original simcity? Smiley )

Ha ha ha, awesome.  I like the version where aliens can come down and blow up your city.  I think that was SimCity2000?
78  Economy / Economics / Re: US is getting hit with disasters. on: September 07, 2011, 12:18:42 AM
Out of curiosity, what do you think all the news agencies would talk about if there were 1) no disasters, 2) no governments?  I think that would almost completely starve them of source material.

I'm sure they've got a closet full of porn tapes and craigslist photos to keep them occupied during those rough times.



Or they'd have to find some other source material.  Like fraudulent business practices.
79  Economy / Economics / Re: US is getting hit with disasters. on: September 06, 2011, 11:03:35 PM
USA: Kyoto agreement? Well fuck that.
Earth: USA? Well fuck that.

Yes.  Gaia is angry.
80  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Seriously, though, how would a libertarian society address global warming? on: September 06, 2011, 10:57:52 PM
There is a huge incentive for those who have invested massive emotional capital in libertarianism - to subvert the science as widespread acceptance of the science tends to destroy libertarianism - why? because the libertarians have nailed their ideas to the mast of denialism.
But that's because they see denialism as a way to prevent massive increases in government power. If there was no threat of a coercive government response to global warming, why would Libertarians particularly care one way or the other?

Perhaps you should rethink your insistent use of the term 'coercive government'. There are other possibilities, such as 'collective action', or 'majority defined regulations'. Whatever the case, consistent and widespread proactively organized action is necessary to address environmental issues.

These are all coercive by definition.  Your philosophy is a philosophy of might makes right and mob rule.
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