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1  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: Rollbit.com scamming $10,000 USD [Careful not to bet in their casino!] ❗ on: December 27, 2022, 07:16:47 PM
Rollbit still no answer so far. Not caring at all.

Please stay away from this site!
2  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: Rollbit.com scamming $10,000 USD [Careful not to bet in their casino!] ❗ on: December 10, 2022, 04:50:23 PM
Just a friendly reminder for everyone that those blokes still failed to respond to a single question that were asked here by multiple people + still didnt bother to post any proof of their allegations. (While being super detailed on other cases here in the forum, kinda weird..)

Please stay away from this site!
3  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: Rollbit.com scamming $10,000 USD [Careful not to bet in their casino!] ❗ on: December 01, 2022, 06:28:40 AM

I know larry, your always just interested in my wrong doing not in Rollbits Smiley. I already explained why im not disclosing this atm.
When you don't fully disclose all the details, you're putting people here at a disadvantage to be able to fully form an opinion i.e. wasting their time.
you have wasted alot of peoples time up to this point. i'll have to go search back through this thread to try and find out why you don't want to discuss how much money you made off them.

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Anyways, i flagged them now. Will proceed with further steps.
what do you mean by "flagged"? hopefully those further steps will not include you trying to impeach rollbit in this forum without having told the full story on how much money you made off of them. and how many accounts you opened, etc, etc.

Just as an example, lets say you made $20,000 off of them but then you deposited $10,000 of it back. Are you guilty then? maybe.

lets say you made $5000 off of them but then you deposited $10,000. Are you guilty then? well yeah you're still guilty but they owe you $5000.






Mate whatever is wrong with you i dont know, but im done talking to you atleast. Make whatever you want out of it. You have such a biased opinion, im not gonna bother answering to your bs anymore. Throwing accusations at me left and right while not even closely understanding whats happening here. No one cares about your personal opinion, or moral view point.

This guys have ignored their own TOS and used this as an explanation to confiscate a 6 figure sum. I have never breached anything in their TOS.
Thats a fact. And they have failed to answer anything in weeks now, even tho they are full aware whats happening.

I explained like 2 or 3 posts before why im not disclosing this. You are wasting your own time here, if you join discussions but cant sort yourself out.

Stop replying to things if you keep forgetting what has been said before, thx. I also dont think you understand how much impact your way of talking here can have on the entire case.

While you maybe think that Rollbit dosnt have to answer anything here anymore, because in your opinion they said enough, other people have a lot of questions towards them aswell.
But you are constantly shooting towards me, throwing those accusations around and putting me in a spot where it looks like im the one who hast to explain himself.
Thats the best thing you can do for them, if they dont wanna answer here anymore. So yea instead of spamming this thread with your responses because you are too lazy to scroll up 3 posts,
maybe stop wasting your time aswell. And maybe just maybe think about the impact your behavior here can have without having 100% proof of whats happening.



I have told the full story. Any further details (how many accounts and whats the PnL) i will disclose after they come forward, since its the only evidence i have to proof that they are lying. (Did you understand that now)


But yea that was my last response to you. I actually hope at this point your affiliated with Rollbit because otherwise you are seriously just a pretty weird dude.
4  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: Rollbit.com scamming $10,000 USD [Careful not to bet in their casino!] ❗ on: November 30, 2022, 06:51:11 AM


I'm more interested in how many accounts you had in total and how much money you made off of them in total. Sum up your total deposits into all your accounts with them. Sum up all your withdrawals from all your accounts with them. Subtract the deposits from the withdrawals. Tell me that number. We want to know.



I know larry, your always just interested in my wrong doing not in Rollbits Smiley. I already explained why im not disclosing this atm.

Anyways, i flagged them now. Will proceed with further steps.




5  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: Rollbit.com scamming $10,000 USD [Careful not to bet in their casino!] ❗ on: November 29, 2022, 03:12:50 PM

Extreme, unfair, unorthodox, morally wrong... call it whatever you want. TOSs are sadly there to catch you in the act of doing something you aren't supposed to do and protect the other side. That's why you shouldn't give them reasons to use any of their terms against you. Just because I am saying that, doesn't mean I like it. It's the reality.  



Its the reality, but as i said before theres no existing terms here to use against me. No court will ever ever rule in their favour. They are acting like that because im sure that most people will not seek help from a lawyer or something. But yea to answer your other question; Im gonna evaluate my options and see what my next steps are. AskGamblers is a good idea aswell, thank you. But of course i will also not shy away from getting a lawyer involved, because this is a pretty serious amount of money.

A question for you to extend on what Larry was also saying. When you or your friend spoke with their support, why wasn't this the question that was asked?
I have x Rollbit accounts created in the past that have in the meantime been limited. I used to bet $500 (for example) on sports, but with the limits you placed on my accounts, I can now only bet $10 max. Since Rollbit allows the creation of multiple accounts, am I allowed to create a new one so I can start betting $500 per match again?



I dont have a satisfying answer for you here. As ive said in my inital post, a lot of bettors probably raised some eyebrows when they saw that rollbit releases a sportsbook with those ToS.

In that moment i was happy that this option exists and just wanted to double down without waking a sleeping dog. So since my friend asked it in this way already, i didnt feel the need of going into more detail.

The problem here is, that i would have always respected them if they would have actually warned me as they claimed.


Another thing im wondering is, why no one asks them questions besides LoyceV.
Why do they claim they handed out warnings if this didnt happen?
Why are they not showing proof of those warnings?
Why are they showing all those things (blockchain history, account names etc.)  in the other guys thread but ignore mine since weeks?

You dont think thats shady behavior?
6  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: Rollbit.com scamming $10,000 USD [Careful not to bet in their casino!] ❗ on: November 29, 2022, 01:39:54 PM
You seem to have mixed up two different scam accusations.
You're right, I copied from multiple topics, and intended to post it here. It's fixed.

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Coming back to this one, there is no question here if OP has used different Rollbit accounts, and he admitted to have done so.
OP admitted using multiple accounts, because it's allowed. Rollbit claimed he used more accounts, but hasn't provided evidence. For more than 2 weeks, they've ignored my questions. That's not what a honest casino would do:
To me, their silence speaks volumes. If they would have satisfying answers, they would have given them by now.


Thanks for pointing this thread out, because i think that actually shows that they dont have answers to a lot of the questions here.

Notice how detailed they go into his case, linking blockchain history, account names etc.

Here they failed to even respond in 2 weeks? I can tell you why, because the accounts they can link to my other account, they have never been warned like they claimed. Nor have they ever received a message saying "we will confiscate your funds next time and you are not welcome to play here anymore."


And i have serious evidence of that, im just waiting for them to come forward to proof that, so i can show that they are lying. Thats why im holding back the Information of how many accounts i had so far.

7  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: Rollbit.com scamming $10,000 USD [Careful not to bet in their casino!] ❗ on: November 29, 2022, 01:36:44 PM
I have read the last few posts and questions larry_vw_1955 asked, and he makes some valid points.

OP keeps stating that using multiple accounts is OK, but I tried to explain that it's surely not OK for all purposes. We go back to the "nefarious purposes" that is mentioned in Rollbit's TOS. OP also says they didn't warn me, and I agree with Larry here. After you opened your first account and it got limited, you opened a second. Maybe you opened a third, fifth, tenth... you never said how many there were. If all the accounts you had got limited, is that not warning enough for you? Does that not ring any bells in your head and makes you think: Hey, I am obviously doing something wrong, otherwise I wouldn't have gotten my previous X accounts limited? 

I also agree with Larry that if you had been straight with the Rollbit team and told them clearly: I have had x accounts limited in the past. Can I open a new one to circumvent the restrictions you placed on my previous X accounts to place bigger wagers? If they said sure, go ahead, but then they confiscated your money and banned you, I would support you and consider what they did a scam.

But that didn't happen. You or your friend only asked them if players are allowed to have multiple accounts, and they said yes. You weren't even remotely specific enough to explain what you wanted or planned to do.

A real-life unrelated example:
Am I allowed to buy and legally own a gun? YES
Am I allowed to buy and legally own a gun to shoot people at my local shopping mall? NO

The second one is a very specific question that shows the intention and reason for wanting to have a gun. The first one is a generic question. You should have asked the second type of question before taking any action. But you asked a simple one and you got a simple answer. Yes, you can have multiple accounts. That doesn't mean you can do whatever you want with those accounts.   

I understand what you are saying, but your personal definition of "nefarious purposes" is not really important, neither is mine. Whats important is what is written in their rules, and they have not stated anywhere that you are not allowed to open new accounts once you got limited on sports. But on the other side, they do go very much into detail whats seen as "nefarious purposes". For example absuing their chat, bonus or reward system.

Furthermore i notice how a lot of you guys in this thread seem to look at being limited on a sportsbook as a "warning" or "you did something wrong". But thats not really the case. And does not allow you to confiscate funds of someone. If you want to do that, you have to state that in your ToS.

Ill give you an example aswell.

Your an advantage player on blackjack and play at a casino.

They can ask you to stop playing and back you off, but they cant confiscate your funds/winnings. You dont even have to show them your ID. Do you know why? Because its not written in their rules.





8  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: Rollbit.com scamming $10,000 USD [Careful not to bet in their casino!] ❗ on: November 27, 2022, 01:19:54 PM
it's funny how you want rollbit to answer all of YOUR questions but you won't answer any of mine. kind of strange huh?
Are you a representative of Rollbit? If so, I am more than happy to answer anything you want me to. Otherwise, you're just flooding the whole topic with your troll posts.
In addition, I have answered every "question" from you, even though most of your "questions" were out of context or subjective towards supporting Rollbit.

you've continually failed to answer the question of how many previous accounts you had opened up and had limited although at least rollbit clarified that in their single reply so i guess i'll just go with what they said on that which is that it was MORE THAN ONE. now does that make any sense why if you had had more than one previous account limited for making bets that you would just go and dump in a possibly even bigger amount of money into a new account to try and do the same exact thing you got limited for in the previous ones? NO it doesn't make sense at all. anyone that would do that is lacking in a bit of common sense and apparently that is you. have a nice day.
As I've said many times, I did use multiple accounts. I've never denied it, brother.

Nevertheless, you're way too invested in this thread - take a chill pill and wait for the outcome. It has nothing to do with you nor do you have a reason to be so emotional and defensive of Rollbit.
It is between Rollbit and me as their customer.
Have a nice day too, Sir.

I will just flag Rollbit as the next step and when nothing changes there's a long journey ahead of us. They picked the wrong person to do their shady stuff with.
9  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: Rollbit.com scamming $10,000 USD [Careful not to bet in their casino!] ❗ on: November 26, 2022, 11:28:38 AM

so you expect people to remember every little thing you said throughout your many postings here when a single initial posting could have sufficed had you been organized and put all the information in its full completeness right in that one posting. i did my best to try and understand your situation but you still left some questions unanswered primarily why you would not have talked to them yourself first and explained why you were opening another account after your other one(s) got limited. to me that seems like a prudent thing to do so that you don't end up well, in the situation you are now! Sad


Well yea thats what i expect from someone who is so engaged in a discussion.



i have no idea how their site works i thought maybe you can be anonymous and use their services. give me a break. not everyone can read your mind.


You dont have to read my mind, just the thread... But yea as you just said, i shouldnt expect this from you. Much better to just throw random questions out in an attempt to make someone look sus, instead of reading the thread carefully.  Smiley


10  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: Rollbit.com scamming $10,000 USD [Careful not to bet in their casino!] ❗ on: November 26, 2022, 03:54:07 AM
You are just trying to turn and twist everything against me. Plus you just completely ignore things already discussed in this thread, but im really done having this nonsense conversations with you, because you are not even trying or have a rational view point on things.

(For example i stated multiple times that this is the first account i had to KYC on, so god knows how you come up with "or maybe you used a fake ID".)


Either you are shilling/affiliated with them or you just have some other problem i dont know. Also weird how you are the only person in this thread agreeing with their behavior / thinking their response was enough


But that right here was all i needed. ->




the accusations you make are unfounded and it doesn't surprise me though. seeing how you are so offbase in this one how you could be offbase in another one...


Woops. Gotcha!

Imagine someone making unfounded accusations without any sort of proof. This is what you are doing since you joined this thread.

Take a look in the mirror my friend.





11  Other / Off-topic / Re: Ever been to Thailand? on: November 26, 2022, 12:45:01 AM
The culture is really friendly. You'll learn your way once you're there. Also depends on where you are going and what's the purpose. Bangkok and Phuket for example are totally different things. But yeah, go for it. It's gonna be an epic journey. Just make sure you'll stay there long enough to experience the different sides of Thailand.
12  Other / Off-topic / Re: Do you prefer the city or the village? on: November 26, 2022, 12:42:58 AM
I prefer the village. Mainly because I was born in one and it's really calm here. Especially in the winter. Closer to nature as well and the air is way purer.
13  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: Rollbit.com scamming $10,000 USD [Careful not to bet in their casino!] ❗ on: November 25, 2022, 08:13:36 AM


You claim you went on their chat and asked if it was ok to do "multi account" and even showed us a screenshot of that chat. But in your screenshot you didn't explain to them why you would be using that feature.  And how come you even took a screenshot of that innocent chat in the first place? Most people don't do that you know? Unless they have a plan in place that they might need to use it as "evidence" later on in case something goes wrong Shocked


Let me correct you here, since once again you seem to not really read carefully whats happening.
The provided screenshot is from a friend of mine as i stated before already. And yes, i did take safety measurements, because while you are talking like bookies/casinos are the poor victims, in reality its often them who try to do shady stuff. But i guess you never heared of such cases? Thats why im protecting myself beforehand, which i would advice everyone who plays with significant amounts of money. Such a weird thing to do right?



It's not ok to use a vpn to circumvent this type of message:

Rollbit.com is unavailable in your country.
For any questions, please contact support@rollbit.com

Were you using a vpn to bypass that message or for some other reason?



Once again - you probably didnt read what was being said before - i did KYC on the account. If i would be a citizen of a blocked country i think we would have a different case on our hands and they probably would have mentioned something in their previous "statement".




Sorry you don't like the scrutiny but you came here with your story and you put it out there. this is a discussion forum where people discuss things other people post. if you don't like that, then you could have posted your review of rollbit on trustpilot where only they can reply.


I dont have a problem with critical voices, but i did my best here to provide what i can. At the moment, ive been sharing what i can while Rollbit released a very very vague statement and since than has failed to follow up on it. You are the only person here trying to frame me in that way, without any proof. And yea its pretty weird to me, how personally attacked you seem aswell.

Checking your history in this forum and everything, i wouldnt be surprised if you are somewhat related to rollbit Smiley. A dev maybe?
14  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: Rollbit.com scamming $10,000 USD [Careful not to bet in their casino!] ❗ on: November 24, 2022, 09:06:58 AM

I think there are PLENTY other cases here, where its obvious that those dudes are doing it on other platforms. I think i broke down my reasoning why i behaved the way i behaved often enough.

Still weird, that there you dont feel the need to be sarcastic and get involved on those other threads. Shilling is a thing i heared Smiley.

if you look at their trustpilot, do you see other people complaining that they had a large deposit confiscated and the company just told them they wouldn't give it back to them? Is that a pattern we see on all the hundreds of trustpilot reviews? Do we even see that at all?

you gonna leave that trustpilot review and give them a chance to reply on there? seems like they used to reply to people back in 2020 maybe part of 2021. not sure if they do now...


Good job on dodging everything else i said. Pretty obvious to me what you are doing here.

Anyways, they are aware of this post and know where to answer. Why would i open a new discussion on trustpilot, your logic makes no sense.

IF id post that on trustpilot its just to flag them on multiple platforms.


And no i dont see that on trustpilot, which still makes absolutely no sense to even bring up. This is a very unique situation & im asking them to provide proof of what they are claiming here.

Maybe you can just accept that and move on instead of trolling here and being sarcastic + not providing anything productive. Im sure that should be no problem.


Unless.... shilling Smiley
15  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: Rollbit.com scamming $10,000 USD [Careful not to bet in their casino!] ❗ on: November 24, 2022, 04:18:49 AM


Also its pretty odd to me that the only time you have ever answered to a scam accusation is this thread  Huh And additionally you are so invested aswell...

as well it seems odd to me that this is the fist time you ever got into trouble with a sportsbook/casino behaving the way you did with rollbit. did you leave your trustpilot review?

I think there are PLENTY other cases here, where its obvious that those dudes are doing it on other platforms. I think i broke down my reasoning why i behaved the way i behaved often enough.

Still weird, that there you dont feel the need to be sarcastic and get involved on those other threads. Shilling is a thing i heared Smiley.

16  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: Rollbit.com scamming $10,000 USD [Careful not to bet in their casino!] ❗ on: November 24, 2022, 03:07:46 AM
Another 10 days have passed.
Once again I'm asking Rollbit to please come forward with proof of their claims!
If you have such strong evidence of banned and warned accounts, I don't think it should be a problem providing this here & answer the other questions that came up since you posted your very short and vague statement.

https://www.trustpilot.com/review/www.rollbit.com

just imagine. you could ding their 4.5 out of 5 star rating if you left them a negative review. it might go down to 4 stars for a while. Lips sealed




Also its pretty odd to me that the only time you have ever answered to a scam accusation is this thread  Huh And additionally you are so invested aswell...
17  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: Rollbit.com scamming $10,000 USD [Careful not to bet in their casino!] ❗ on: November 24, 2022, 02:18:14 AM
Posting a summary here again, so it is easier for Razer/Rollbit to answer.


This was not your first account on Rollbit, you've had numerous accounts limited & banned.
Partially correct. This was not my first account on Rollbit. Previous accounts were limited, and none of them were banned.

Each time, sufficient warnings were given to ensure you understood that future accounts would be actioned and we'd seek to recoup loses from such abuse.
No warnings were given. Please back your claims, Razer.

As you correctly identified, we're generally fine with folks having alternative accounts as long as they're not being utilised for nefarious purposes.
There was nothing nefarious about my behavior. I never abused any bonuses, coupons, or chat features.

This was not the case here, you opened multiple accounts with the sole purpose of abusing our sportsbook, something you were warned previously for.
Following previous warnings, you were permitted or already did withdraw all of your funds.
Incorrect, no warnings were given. Again, please provide us the proof.

It's worth noting for the other participants of this thread, this is most definitely not an action we profit from. It's more recouping losses, as we've already lost a significant amount of value through this type of abuse.
Recouping losses, as a bookmaker by seizing deposits? Furthermore, please back your claims with evidence.

TLDR: Razer is either lying or confusing someone else's accounts with mine.




https://www.trustpilot.com/review/www.rollbit.com

just imagine. you could ding their 4.5 out of 5 star rating if you left them a negative review. it might go down to 4 stars for a while. Lips sealed
Thanks for the link. Will do!
18  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: Rollbit.com scamming $10,000 USD [Careful not to bet in their casino!] ❗ on: November 23, 2022, 09:01:20 PM
Another 10 days have passed.
Once again I'm asking Rollbit to please come forward with proof of their claims!
If you have such strong evidence of banned and warned accounts, I don't think it should be a problem providing this here & answer the other questions that came up since you posted your very short and vague statement.
19  Other / Off-topic / Re: Do you drink alcohol? on: November 23, 2022, 08:34:32 PM
A lot, almost every day. Keeps the cogs running.
20  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: Rollbit.com scamming $10,000 USD [Careful not to bet in their casino!] ❗ on: November 20, 2022, 02:41:04 PM
Since the op said 10 grand was alot for him then we can assume maybe that the amount in total he won from them is in the 5 figure range. Not 6. So not a huge amount of money for a business but still probably a bit outside of the norm for what they want in a typical gambling customer that uses their website. maybe that's why he's no longer welcome there.
Please focus and read the whole thread and include all the information that both sides have provided you. You're blindly talking outside of the scope here and not taking the most important bits of information into account here.

if that's true then the op has no leg to stand on.
What do you mean? I never said I didn't use multiple accounts - it is clear as a day that I did. The whole core of this topic here is that I opened up multiple accounts because their ToS allowed it and the website itself promoted it.

if thats true then he doesn't have a leg to stand on.
Again, no warnings were given. Please read the thread again before you post anything here without understanding the context.

sounds like something people would try and do. i'm sure it's happened to you guys alot.
Again, as I told you, no warnings were given.

and then he put in 10 grand into another account and that's when he got his funds frozen after all of that. if that's the case then he got treated pretty well i would say.
Read the whole thread again - in what universe is it fair to steal $10k when I've been following all the terms & conditions on their website and confirmed that it was fine to use multiple accounts?


It's worth noting for the other participants of this thread, this is most definitely not an action we profit from. It's more recouping losses, as we've already lost a significant amount of value through this type of abuse.

I bet so. you have to hammer those nails when they come out of the woodwork.

I would think it is very nice of a sportsbook/casino to actually warn someone not to do something before they resorted to more extreme measures. I mean how much nicer can you be than that?

Like I said, 2 sides to every story. Then the truth...
Please stop trolling. There are plenty of other threads where you can state such vague statements. You're literally not giving any important input here.
"How much nicer can you be than that" - So you just accept everything Razer told as truth, without any proof? Fine by me, but that's not the reason I've created this thread. I want to know why I've been treated the way I was, fair and square. I want them to work it out with me as their customer, not just drop a few sentences and think that's sufficient. Rollbit owes me $10k and they know it.
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