I sent a PM to the CFO asking him if there was anything that could be done to help facilitate or mediate a way out of this where you would have your funds returned to you but he (eliale) did not reply.
Hello, I received your PM and replied to you but, I got the following message: User 'JollyGood' has blocked your personal message.Thank you |
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Therefore what is the best way to find a solution to settle this issue? A manner in which it can be resolved allowing the OP to have their rightly owned funds returned and for you the OP to never have anything to do with each other again? It obvious as you stated. BTW, funds are already with an arbiter and we do publish bank statements at the following link where you'll also fice copy of the defamation procedure against the OP: https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1AcIIsoWP5mcMCApKMMPtTokkXfS9eyIz?usp=sharingThe OP is arguing that we do have control of the arbiter and we proposed him to select a new one but, the new arbiter would require the OP a kyc as well...... So he refused the proposal... Again it is obvious he was capable to get access to an account which is not owned by him. Therefore, ten years from now, we will be at the same point....... It would be enough a full kyc proving to be the account owner and comply with laws and regulations. Nothing more Thank you |
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Can you help bring this whole issue to an end without further acrimony? Why not release the money back to the OP and end your vendetta? he better be prepared for a nasty surprise.
It would be a welcome surprise in order to close the issue. However, in order to do so, you will have to file a formal complaint providing to authorities your full KYC. Are you ready to do that? I hope so. Thank you Isn't it obvious? He won't do kyc. Probably he obtained the account on the way or did ml. I have never seen or heard of someone not taking the money from a business with working banking accounts in a country in EU if over 2 years passed if he had a case. At least a lock from a judge in the first court of his own assets from the company funds. In case of insolvency or bankruptcy he would've been one of the first reimbursed. It obvious as you stated. BTW, funds are already with an arbiter and we do publish bank statements at the following link where you'll also fice copy of the defamation procedure against the OP: https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1AcIIsoWP5mcMCApKMMPtTokkXfS9eyIz?usp=sharingThe OP is arguing that we do have control of the arbiter and we proposed him to select a new one but, the new arbiter would require the OP a kyc as well...... So he refused the proposal... Again it is obvious he was capable to get access to an account which is not owned by him. Therefore, ten years from now, we will be at the same point....... |
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he better be prepared for a nasty surprise.
It would be a welcome surprise in order to close the issue. However, in order to do so, you will have to file a formal complaint providing to authorities your full KYC. Are you ready to do that? I hope so. Thank you |
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Open a civil case in the court against the rock trading; the solution won't take more than 2 years with appeals included, but I don't think he may win or pay more as demages to the rock trading for the defamation.
As it stands now, if you are correct by the law, you may have 6 months for first verdict and tops 2 years for final decision after 2 appeals if you win the first one. If you don't open one, I am sorry to say but I don't see any way you are entitled to any claims.. And do not judge the italian authorities for being slow, they may be slow, but they do their jobs. In the case of crowdfundings of over 100k$ they do more checks than the pope.
Exactly. However, there is a much simpler option. It would be enough to do a simple KYC...... |
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Consob is 100% aware of their crowdfunding and if they are using any bank under ECB they will be caught.
Just for you to know. When we launched our crowdfunding campaign, Opstart, the company licensed by Consob, requested further information about this case. We provided all the information along with evidence and the case was dismissed. Also, during the past 4 years, multiple times, thanks to the OP spamming, we were asked by our partners the same question and, again, after providing them with evidence, no further consequences were taken. In conclusion, aside from a few anonymous people in this chat, which are free to express their opinion in favor of the OP, we never had someone objecting our procedures. Thank you |
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Now I understand why you always seemed to comment on the scam allegation here with much surety and confidence. As you are an Italian resident that knows various aspects of law, what is the best advice you would give to both the OP and Rock Trading to settle this issue as soon as possible? I live in Italy (Toscana and Sicily) and Malta since I was in the 4th grade (more than 12 years) and I have my master degree in economist which is more like an accountant.
Now I do only AML on crypto basis and situations like the OP's, you find at any corner. Open a civil case in the court against the rock trading; the solution won't take more than 2 years with appeals included, but I don't think he may win or pay more as demages to the rock trading for the defamation. If he is right and he wins, penal may follow for the rock trading. Thank you for the suggestion. We have been asking the same for the past 4 years without any result. |
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You keep on showing yourself and your Rock Trading exchange in a very bad light. Where is the remorse in your tone for the manner in which you and your Rock Trading exchange have confiscated funds that are owned by the OP? You should release the funds back to the rightful owner (the OP) and move on with your fund raising projects and so on... Not exactly....
the Prosecutor receipt was obtained the moment our lawyers deposited the law suit reference number Proc: 26766/2020 - N. prot. 249 DIC 20 against the OP.
This document is available to the OP upon request by his lawyer.
Thank you
I'll gladly do so when the real owner or her heirs will show up. Thank you |
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Not exactly....
the Prosecutor receipt was obtained the moment our lawyers deposited the law suit reference number Proc: 26766/2020 - N. prot. 249 DIC 20 against the OP.
This document is available to the OP upon request by his lawyer.
Thank you
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I'm sorry to be the first one to tell you in this thread, but this is a matter for the civil court. And you have done nothing in 4 years. I don't see any reason why I would believe what you are saying.
Go to the court and fix it within 6 months to 1 year. You are the one losing money here.
Maybe you are right, they have fake order books, but how that helps your case? If your afirmation is not right, they can in the same way attack you and you may lose all your money and maybe way more.
As a matter of fact, there is a legal procedure against the OP for defamation. You could find the official docs at the following link: https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1AcIIsoWP5mcMCApKMMPtTokkXfS9eyIz?usp=sharingThank you |
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But how it's possible Coinfan that in 4 years the authorities to do nothing about your case?
Why not opening a civil law attack against their company? I know in Italy things are slow in justice, but not 4 years slow..
That's the point. He cannot follow your suggestion because, even though he had access to the account, he is not the owner...... |
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Jollygood and Trading, thank you again for your support.
And also many thanks for Halab for his merits to my last post: I'm honored from having the support of a Bitcointalk moderator/Je suis honoré d'avoir le soutien d'un modérateur de bitcointalk.
You are right! My apologies. Link is now up to date.
How nice, the Rock CFO apologized for "forgetting" to repost the balance of the account of his fake arbitrator. The true reason is that his scam of inventing a fake arbitrator to whom he sent money that he claims is mine and claiming he had sent the money to a independent third party failed completely. He still keeps the identity of the arbitrator anonymous as it would be easy to find out that he controls it.
As said, please feel free to appoint a new licensed arbitrator and I'll gladly accept it. Thank you! |
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I cannot fault you for any of this and am laying all the blame at the Rock Trading CFO (eliale). He could have cleared up this mess a long time ago but seems to have been out to carrying out his vendetta against you. He can still fix this situation fast but is refusing to.
We need to add the 35500 euro that he already thinks is money on his pocket. He said he would post scans of the balance to where he sent money that he claims is my money every few months. But he never did this again.
You are right! My apologies. Link is now up to date. Please, if you don't mind, next October remind me to update it Thank you!! Bank link: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Y9XrYsU0EmDVSUIZ0OlCrkDcnEh7X5Vf/view?usp=sharingLegal procedure against Coinfan link: https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1AcIIsoWP5mcMCApKMMPtTokkXfS9eyIz?usp=sharing |
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Sorry I do not accept you jumping from alleging the OP is an imposter to the whole arbiter drama. Who is the arbiter? Can you provide the name of the arbiter and also state what your relationship on a personal and business level has been with this arbiter? Can you also explain what it was that made you choose this arbiter over others? Also, why did you appoint an external 3rd party (arbiter) unilaterally without even discussing it as an option with the OP? It is mandatory to do a full KYC regardless the currency. At least in Italy but, as far as I can see, even major off shore exchanges such as Binance. are requiring a full KYC now.
We are positive about this because, not only our lawyers told us wht to do but, during a routine inspection by the financial authorities, they confirmed the procedures.
I wish I could send out crypto without KYC but, I cant't.
Also, there is another problem. I'm not positive the OP, even though he had access to the account, is the real owner. How would you solve this problem??
This is why a qualified third party such an arbiter, could explain to the OP what he/she has to do (for us is a SHE).
Thank you
Sorry, but these are privileged information available to the OP only which is also allow to change the arbiter. Thank you |
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If the BTC was returned to the OP then there is no need to send any KYC therefore what is stopping you from doing that When this issue started I was one of the users that advised the OP to never send you any KYC because no matter what was sent you would claim it was doctored or suspicious and would reject it. I reiterate that sentiment, the OP should never send any documents to you. If you want to send the 35,000+ EUR to the OP bank account you might need KYC but to send the BTC back you do not need any KYC. Just do it and get it over and done with. You will have some chance to at least salvage some reputation. Because an Arbiter would have to comply with laws and release information to us unless, a Judge would say the Countrary. Any of the 2 solutions would be suitable.
But don't worry, the OP cannot provide his KYC to anyone because he is not the account owner. I wish to be wrong but, I have to assume we will stay here for another few years.......
Thank you
It is mandatory to do a full KYC regardless the currency. At least in Italy but, as far as I can see, even major off shore exchanges such as Binance. are requiring a full KYC now. We are positive about this because, not only our lawyers told us wht to do but, during a routine inspection by the financial authorities, they confirmed the procedures. I wish I could send out crypto without KYC but, I cant't. Also, there is another problem. I'm not positive the OP, even though he had access to the account, is the real owner. How would you solve this problem?? This is why a qualified third party such an arbiter, could explain to the OP what he/she has to do (for us is a SHE). Thank you |
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Well this is a new development. Since when would you accept the OP sending KYC documents to an arbiter of their choice without you being sent copies of the same documents. Would you accept the arbiter simply saying they have received the documents and have verified them or would you want a copy of the documents sent to you? A simple kyc with us or with an arbiter of his choice would solve the issue. Nothing more nothing less.
Thank you Because an Arbiter would have to comply with laws and release information to us unless, a Judge would say the Countrary. Any of the 2 solutions would be suitable. But don't worry, the OP cannot provide his KYC to anyone because he is not the account owner. I wish to be wrong but, I have to assume we will stay here for another few years....... Thank you |
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He certainly comes across as a vengeful person that holds grudges. He seems to have set out to cause you maximum suffering by withholding your funds and shows no sign of accepting how wrong he was to do it. In the process he destroyed his reputation and that of his Rock Trading exchange. One way this will hopefully come back to haunt him will be when those innocent investors that funded his recent fundraise realise they were scammed because they were given overinflated trading figures therefore were lied to. I hope they get together and take their own legal action against Rock Trading and their CFO. What cannot be denied is that Rock Trading are refusing to release your funds because they have a vendetta against you. That is obvious. Yes the Rock CFO showed many times that he is a vengeful person. Just check the way he posted here almost all the private information on my account. For nothing. Just to show that he had obtained this information. Not on his own merits because he received an email with it. But as you also mention, greediness is a prevalent reason. If it wasn't 35500 euro in question, the issue would be long solved. He already thinks that my money counts as his money and he see its devolution has a serious loss. This value amounts for several years of the real profits of the Rock Trading. A simple kyc with us or with an arbiter of his choice would solve the issue. Nothing more nothing less. Thank you |
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You had no right to transfer the money belonging to the victim to your associate that you claim is an arbiter. On paper you have handed over the funds to a third-party but in reality you are playing a game.
Once in a while it would be good to read our TOS: 11. DORMANT ACCOUNT 1. In the event that the User's account is dormant for a period of at least 12 months and Assets are available on the account, TRT will require the User to communicate the bank account details in the User's name to which the Assets are to be transferred, once converted, should they not be, into legal tender currency. If the User has not provided TRT with the destination details of the assets, which may have been converted into legal tender currency, despite TRT's reminders and after 30 days from the first notification, TRT shall arrange for the transfer of the available assets by means of the so-called "Real offer". In this case, TRT shall convert the virtual currencies into legal tender currencies independently, if necessary, and in accordance with the terms and conditions set out in the relevant legislation, shall formalize the offer of the sums to the User through a notary public or other public official, and shall then, in the event of failure to accept the offer, deposit the amounts with another bank and notify the User of the deposit at the same time. In cases where this solution is difficult to apply, TRT will seek alternative solutions to establish contact with the User and transfer the sums to the latter. All costs related to these activities are borne by the User.https://www.therocktrading.com/en/pages/terms-and-conditionsWe have been trying to contact the account owner without success and, of course, an anonymous claim on a private chat is not a valid request.. Thank you! |
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The best thing you can do to win the moral high ground and start the process of repairing the damage to the brand name is to return the money to the OP. Exactly the contrary. The case has not been dismissed and you may verify by yourselves. I'll be more than happy to do so as soon as the OP will comply with AML requests and proving she is the owner of the account. In order to solve it, I'm even propose her to come to Italy at our expenses and close the issue in front of a notary. I know she is not going to accept it because he cannot comply but, a try is worth it..... |
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In other words, the Rock CFO confirmed that the case was dismissed/archived and just posted something that might be understood as a rebuttal but simply doesn't mean anything. It's just another of his ways to avoid to post another of his blatant lies. Exactly the contrary. The case has not been dismissed and you may verify by yourselves. |
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