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[saxydev]

Open a civil case in the court against the rock trading; the solution won't take more than 2 years with appeals included, but I don't think he may win or pay more as demages to the rock trading for the defamation.

Thank you for the suggestion. We have been asking the same for the past 4 years without any result.

Sometimes I ask myself if the Rock CFO even thinks about what he writes here. Does with the above statement he wants to convince any reader that he wants to be sue on a civil court? After all his illegal and criminal acts?

I was expecting that he would keep his posts above the bare minimum plausibility. At least to avoid damaging even more his reputation by writing absurd things.

Sometimes he seems to forget that, as he points out on another post, all his partners know this thread and soon or later will read what he posts here. Let's forget about his few real customers.

He already knows I would never waste several years on a civil suit, it's because of this that he wrote that. He is scared is from a criminal complain. And he knows very well that he has all reasons to be.

As it stands now, if you are correct by the law, you may have 6 months for first verdict and tops 2 years for final decision after 2 appeals if you win the first one. If you don't open one, I am sorry to say but I don't see any way you are entitled to any claims.. And do not judge the italian authorities for being slow, they may be slow, but they do their jobs. In the case of crowdfundings of over 100k$ they do more checks than the pope.

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[JollyGood]

Since you are familiar with the legal position in Italy it would be very difficult to argue with your comments but for clarity sake are you saying that since the incident of the OP having funds confiscated dates back to over 4 years there cannot be a claim made now?

As it stands now, if you are correct by the law, you may have 6 months for first verdict and tops 2 years for final decision after 2 appeals if you win the first one. If you don't open one, I am sorry to say but I don't see any way you are entitled to any claims.. And do not judge the italian authorities for being slow, they may be slow, but they do their jobs. In the case of crowdfundings of over 100k$ they do more checks than the pope.

[eliale]

Open a civil case in the court against the rock trading; the solution won't take more than 2 years with appeals included, but I don't think he may win or pay more as demages to the rock trading for the defamation.


As it stands now, if you are correct by the law, you may have 6 months for first verdict and tops 2 years for final decision after 2 appeals if you win the first one. If you don't open one, I am sorry to say but I don't see any way you are entitled to any claims.. And do not judge the italian authorities for being slow, they may be slow, but they do their jobs. In the case of crowdfundings of over 100k$ they do more checks than the pope.

Exactly. 

However, there is a much simpler option.  It would be enough to do a simple KYC......

[Coinfan]

As it stands now, if you are correct by the law, you may have 6 months for first verdict and tops 2 years for final decision after 2 appeals if you win the first one. If you don't open one, I am sorry to say but I don't see any way you are entitled to any claims.. And do not judge the italian authorities for being slow, they may be slow, but they do their jobs. In the case of crowdfundings of over 100k$ they do more checks than the pope.

Your 2.5 years fulfill my notion of "several years". I can recover my money with a simple criminal complain very fast. Since so many time passed without legal consequences, the Rock CFO thinks nothing is going to happen. He will be so scared that he will return the money on a few days!

He lied to criminal authorities, published documents under judicial secret, in fact reveled the identity of the prosecutor, attempted fraud with an invented arbiter, is attempting to embezzle 35500 euro for 4 years with excuses and lies and scammed 1.5 million on a crowdfunding, thanks to fraudulent volume and orderbooks. Civil court?!

JollyGood, thanks for another post.
A financial entity holds money as a trustee. There is no statutory limit for a judicial suit. Each day that he holds my money, it's another illegal act. He confessed that the money isn't his money. He even wrote that I'm still a customer and that he didn't cancelled my account.

Anyway, as a rule, the statute of limitations on Italian Law for crimes (prescrizione) is 6 years according to article 157 of the Italian criminal code: https://www.brocardi.it/codice-penale/libro-primo/titolo-vi/capo-i/art157.html (italian)

But many crimes have much more longer periods and several of his acts were committed much more recently, last year. He is in a very big trouble and will be for many years.

[JollyGood]

Is there anything the Rock Trading is doing now with regards to trying to have more fund raise rounds or something else which is in their business plans? What is the latest news with them?

As it stands now, if you are correct by the law, you may have 6 months for first verdict and tops 2 years for final decision after 2 appeals if you win the first one. If you don't open one, I am sorry to say but I don't see any way you are entitled to any claims.. And do not judge the italian authorities for being slow, they may be slow, but they do their jobs. In the case of crowdfundings of over 100k$ they do more checks than the pope.

Your 2.5 years fulfill my notion of "several years". I can recover my money with a simple criminal complain very fast. Since so many time passed without legal consequences, the Rock CFO thinks nothing is going to happen. He will be so scared that he will return the money on a few days!

He lied to criminal authorities, published documents under judicial secret, in fact reveled the identity of the prosecutor, attempted fraud with an invented arbiter, is attempting to embezzle 35500 euro for 4 years with excuses and lies and scammed 1.5 million on a crowdfunding, thanks to fraudulent volume and orderbooks. Civil court?!

JollyGood, thanks for another post.
A financial entity holds money as a trustee. There is no statutory limit for a judicial suit. Each day that he holds my money, it's another illegal act. He confessed that the money isn't his money. He even wrote that I'm still a customer and that he didn't cancelled my account.

Anyway, as a rule, the statute of limitations on Italian Law for crimes (prescrizione) is 6 years according to article 157 of the Italian criminal code: https://www.brocardi.it/codice-penale/libro-primo/titolo-vi/capo-i/art157.html (italian)

But many crimes have much more longer periods and several of his acts were committed much more recently, last year. He is in a very big trouble and will be for many years.

[Coinfan]

Is there anything the Rock Trading is doing now with regards to trying to have more fund raise rounds or something else which is in their business plans? What is the latest news with them?

I and other forum members are checking their sites waiting for any news about their plans to do a second round of crowdfunding scam. So far, there seems to be no information.

Will see if they dare to try to do it again.

One thing seems sure: it won't be the same same crowdfunding company. This company knows this thread and most likely read some of my posts, including the official revenues of their fake holding. They now are aware that the crowdfunding was a scam and most likely want to put as much distance as possible from the Rock Trading and their illusion holding.

And this crowdfunding company is not off the hook. This scam hasn't exploded yet. The bang will impact many people, not just the responsible and the scammed ones.

[JollyGood]

If you continue to check the statuses of what they are up to and keep advising the wider public to stay from them then that can hinder their approach o seeking investment but in the long run there needs to be a settlement to end this issue. I do not know why their forum representative is not engaging in a manner to bring this dispute to a close.

I hope he reflects on the public relations damage done to his Rock Trading brand and he will reach out to try to settle this amicably.

I and other forum members are checking their sites waiting for any news about their plans to do a second round of crowdfunding scam. So far, there seems to be no information.

Will see if they dare to try to do it again.

One thing seems sure: it won't be the same same crowdfunding company. This company knows this thread and most likely read some of my posts, including the official revenues of their fake holding. They now are aware that the crowdfunding was a scam and most likely want to put as much distance as possible from the Rock Trading and their illusion holding.

And this crowdfunding company is not off the hook. This scam hasn't exploded yet. The bang will impact many people, not just the responsible and the scammed ones.

[Coinfan]

In reality, there is nothing to settle. I'm not asking for compensation from all the criminal acts and defamation (he went as far as suggesting that the supposed real owner was dead and I had something to do with it!!). At least, I'm not asking for it here.

He will just have to convert my money to bitcoin at current international price and return it. Plain and simple. Including the small amount on XRP.

But after 4 years, I have little doubt that he won't do it until the Italian police goes knock on his door. This went too far. If he thinks he can just put a stone over it and everything will go on fine, he better be prepared for a nasty surprise.

[eliale]

he better be prepared for a nasty surprise.

It would be a welcome surprise in order to close the issue.

However, in order to do so, you will have to file a formal complaint providing to authorities your full KYC.  Are you ready to do that? I hope so.

Thank you

[JollyGood]

Can you help bring this whole issue to an end without further acrimony? Why not release the money back to the OP and end your vendetta?

he better be prepared for a nasty surprise.

It would be a welcome surprise in order to close the issue.

However, in order to do so, you will have to file a formal complaint providing to authorities your full KYC.  Are you ready to do that? I hope so.

Thank you

[saxydev]

Can you help bring this whole issue to an end without further acrimony? Why not release the money back to the OP and end your vendetta?

he better be prepared for a nasty surprise.

It would be a welcome surprise in order to close the issue.

However, in order to do so, you will have to file a formal complaint providing to authorities your full KYC.  Are you ready to do that? I hope so.

Thank you

Isn't it obvious? He won't do kyc. Probably he obtained the account on the way or did ml. I have never seen or heard of someone not taking the money from a business with working banking accounts in a country in EU if over 2 years passed if he had a case. At least a lock from a judge in the first court of his own assets from the company funds. In case of insolvency or bankruptcy he would've been one of the first reimbursed.

[eliale]

Can you help bring this whole issue to an end without further acrimony? Why not release the money back to the OP and end your vendetta?

he better be prepared for a nasty surprise.

It would be a welcome surprise in order to close the issue.

However, in order to do so, you will have to file a formal complaint providing to authorities your full KYC.  Are you ready to do that? I hope so.

Thank you

Isn't it obvious? He won't do kyc. Probably he obtained the account on the way or did ml. I have never seen or heard of someone not taking the money from a business with working banking accounts in a country in EU if over 2 years passed if he had a case. At least a lock from a judge in the first court of his own assets from the company funds. In case of insolvency or bankruptcy he would've been one of the first reimbursed.

It obvious as you stated.

BTW, funds are already with an arbiter and we do publish bank statements at the following link where you'll also fice copy of the defamation procedure against the OP:

https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1AcIIsoWP5mcMCApKMMPtTokkXfS9eyIz?usp=sharing

The OP is arguing that we do have control of the arbiter and we proposed him to select a new one but, the new arbiter would require the OP a kyc as well......  So he refused the proposal...

Again it is obvious he was capable to get access to an account which is not owned by him. Therefore, ten years from now, we will be at the same point.......

[JollyGood]

Therefore what is the best way to find a solution to settle this issue? A manner in which it can be resolved allowing the OP to have their rightly owned funds returned and for you the OP to never have anything to do with each other again?

It obvious as you stated.

BTW, funds are already with an arbiter and we do publish bank statements at the following link where you'll also fice copy of the defamation procedure against the OP:

https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1AcIIsoWP5mcMCApKMMPtTokkXfS9eyIz?usp=sharing

The OP is arguing that we do have control of the arbiter and we proposed him to select a new one but, the new arbiter would require the OP a kyc as well......  So he refused the proposal...

Again it is obvious he was capable to get access to an account which is not owned by him. Therefore, ten years from now, we will be at the same point.......

[Coinfan]

Therefore what is the best way to find a solution to settle this issue? A manner in which it can be resolved allowing the OP to have her rightly owned funds returned and for you the OP to never have anything to do with each other again?

JollyGood, thank you for the usual support.

But don't lose your precious time. The CFO won't do anything until the police knocks on his door.

He keeps insisting on their "arbiter" that he already confessed that is just a misleading segregated account from the Rock Trading. Being a Rock banking account, he clearly has full control over it.

I already posted his confession many times, I won't repost it now again, just check here:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4975753.msg60495406#msg60495406

Isn't it obvious? He won't do kyc. Probably he obtained the account on the way or did ml. I

You are looking more and more as the Rock CFO defender, that he quotes with pleasure.

[eliale]

Therefore what is the best way to find a solution to settle this issue? A manner in which it can be resolved allowing the OP to have their rightly owned funds returned and for you the OP to never have anything to do with each other again?

It obvious as you stated.

BTW, funds are already with an arbiter and we do publish bank statements at the following link where you'll also fice copy of the defamation procedure against the OP:

https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1AcIIsoWP5mcMCApKMMPtTokkXfS9eyIz?usp=sharing

The OP is arguing that we do have control of the arbiter and we proposed him to select a new one but, the new arbiter would require the OP a kyc as well......  So he refused the proposal...

Again it is obvious he was capable to get access to an account which is not owned by him. Therefore, ten years from now, we will be at the same point.......

It would be enough a full kyc proving to be the account owner and comply with laws and regulations.   

Nothing more

Thank you

[Coinfan]

Again it is obvious he was capable to get access to an account which is not owned by him. Therefore, ten years from now, we will be at the same point.......

The Rock CFO keeps insisting on this nonsense declaration. He never clarifies what he means by "capable to get access", but obviously he doesn't mean I had access by hacking or anything illegal or he wouldn't recognize it.

But he keeps posting the same absurd lie that I'm not the owner, after 4 years without anyone logging on my account or claiming the account.

I have evidence of ownership of the banking account used to withdraw EURO from the Rock (when that was legal on 2013, according to their TOS) and posted a signed message with the bitcoin account used to make the deposit that made the 35500 USD once sold.

Lies, excuses, the usual.

[Coinfan]

Therefore what is the best way to find a solution to settle this issue? A manner in which it can be resolved allowing the OP to have their rightly owned funds returned and for you the OP to never have anything to do with each other again?

Thanks for your post and time, JollyGood, but after 4 years the Rock CFO already sees my money as his, with just an annoyance to solve. He is very wrong. He destroyed his life, he just don't feel it yet!

His absurd insistence on the same lies and excuses after all this time just confirms what kind of person he is.

It would be enough a full kyc proving to be the account owner and comply with laws and regulations.  

4 year old excuse to steal my money. He just insists on it because he knows I won't ever send him my documents.

Remember, this person even posted here on this forum almost all the personal details he had from my account, including first name, gender, nationality and even a reference to financial relations as a petty vengeance. Anyone would have to be crazy to trust him any other personal information.

PS. This post was delayed by some issues.

[JollyGood]

I sent a PM to the CFO asking him if there was anything that could be done to help facilitate or mediate a way out of this where you would have your funds returned to you but he (eliale) did not reply.

I confused as to how much longer the Rock Trading CFO will try to hold on to your funds. I could be wrong but suspect the so-called arbiter he allegedly transferred your money to was a way out of paying you because those funds no longer exist. Maybe the Rock Trading are no longer solvent, who knows?

If the CFO has carried on this vendetta against you for over 4 years because you exposed them, maybe he is not fit to continue in the role and a new CFO should be appointed.

As saxydev seems to have a lot of knowledge about this issue, maybe he would be a better choice unless of-course he is an alt-account of the CFO.

[saxydev]

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JollyGood   2022-10-28   Reference   Probably an alt-account of the Rock Trading CFO (eliale https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=35172)

wow, ok.

now I get through what the rock trading is going, fking hell.

Why it's so hard to do kyc? If you don't want to do with rock trading, just check out with them if they accept a third party company who does kyc.. It's bloody kyc, you saw it coming, laws are changing since 2016 towards it. If you never wanted to kyc, why you have used a centralised exchange? Right to privacy? We don't have anything as such..

Alt of eliale, wow. Ok. This is fun

[Coinfan]

I sent a PM to the CFO asking him if there was anything that could be done to help facilitate or mediate a way out of this where you would have your funds returned to you but he (eliale) did not reply.

I confused as to how much longer the Rock Trading CFO will try to hold on to your funds. I could be wrong but suspect the so-called arbiter he allegedly transferred your money to was a way out of paying you because those funds no longer exist. Maybe the Rock Trading are no longer solvent, who knows?

If the CFO has carried on this vendetta against you for over 4 years because you exposed them, maybe he is not fit to continue in the role and a new CFO should be appointed.

As saxydev seems to have a lot of knowledge about this issue, maybe he would be a better choice unless of-course he is an alt-account of the CFO.

Thanks for another thoughtful post, JollyGood.

They are spending money much higher than what they earn, according to their published numbers. They are using money they received on the crowdfunding to finance daily expenses of their fake Holding. Their investors will be confronted with very bad news.

They have a limited number of customers, perhaps their deposits aren't in danger as the investors money will have to answer for customers deposits. Only them know the financial hole they have in hands.

I'm still on any details about their planned second crowdfunding scam.