I guess its not extortion when he is asking for what u owe him.
His 160+ btc cashout + his invested = 750 btc ?
You guess wrong. His deposit was 2 BTC, and his winnings ~170. He had zero invested. Makes sense now or shall i paint it? As for doxxing, if i was Joe i would be much more careful before jump into conclusions. I might not give a fuck, but im not sure when people find out that you are messing with their name/families out of your own conclusions will appreciate it! When you try to"doxx" someone, follow 3 rules. 1. Make sure you doxx the correct person 2. Make sure you doxx the correct person. 3. Make sure this wont backfire at you. Difference with doxxing a dude we had months ago for SEO from Greece and you, one guy who lives in Alaska, is major. For instance: a) A quick search can reveal you that Greece has no laws regarding cryptos or BitCoin in general. b) Its well known you have SHITLOADS of coins, to be able to wager with a bankroll of 1k+ coins. Is is safe for your real info to be online? Sounds dangerous to me. Imagine how many people could go after your dad(hey there Joe!), wife(how is Mia..?), family business... I think you get my point. c) You live in USA, and Im not so sure how is there law/taxes wise how you can swing so many coins Our difference here stands that, even if you tried to extort me, blackmail me or w/e you want to call it, I wouldnt reveal your ID here, even if I know who you are, 100%  You can check your PM for proof. And the reason? Because while you are an asshole with fucked up behaviour, I still think your family or wife shouldnt pay for that mistake. Hugs and kisses!  |
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Withdrawals are been processed non stop, ~650 coins left. Please login and withdraw them. Its funny how everyone starts the witch-hunting now! Someone said, we get doxxed so we decide to do refunds? And why before doing so, "invent" mateo again(that was the theory, no), have another crazy run and then decide to shut down site as well? Oh noes, you didnt think about that did you? And as an extra gift, this is what I had in my PMs (I was going though them and caught my eye) http://prntscr.com/4tueot Let me fully quote it : You been fucking busted brah
Jig is up
Shall I share the juicy details of how you got all your coin? Or would you like to do this the easy way:
750 BTC:
1J7DF4V93yBZjBZgRoW7y6cLECbABqc3F4We either send him 750 BTC OR he"goes public" with who we are? Or i didnt get that right? lol. Last time I checked that in my books, its called extortion. Just saying! Man, EVEN IF you had my real details, I would never EVER fall for extortion. And in case you think my PM is fake, feel free to ask anyone who can have access to my PMs, moderator or admin, just to validate it. Peace! |
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AK coins were sent to the address he provided. Anyone can edit/make the screenshot as he wishes. If we were to stole him, why to allow him to win 170(and up to 400 BTC at one point) to begin with? Anyway, im done with debating, this is just an announcement(and last one, from us at least) to inform people and take their coins out. Strange though huh? I still wonder why we dont simply take the coins and run! If that wouldnt be the ubber scam, with a closed site, i dont know what else it could be.
До свидания !
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Hello all! Due to the latest developments regarding bitcoin and altcoin regulations in Russia (check here), we decided that the risk factor for us is exponentially growing. Therefore we decided, effective immediately, to suspend betting and investing and put the site in a "feeze" mode, where only divestments / withdrawals are allowed. We will make transfers from cold wallet large enough so all withdrawals to be prosessed ASAP. Please if you know anyone that plays / played / invested as well, inform him about that so he can take his coins. We will also email any account that has remaining balance on site and if still until the end of the week he doesn't withdraw, we will trigger the withdraw to his emergency address. In the case he doesn't have an emergency address either and site is sold, user shall contact us via email to support@dicebitco.in with his username and proof of deposit. Both sites (dicebitco.in and diceliteco.in) are officialy under SALE now. For any offers, please send an email to support@dicebitco.in!
What the buyer will get:
The Domain, that will be transfered to his registrar of his choice (we suggest namecheap, since we have the domains there, tranfer will be instant)
Whole site code
Twitter / facebook accounts
Email addresses
Forum account
Skype support account
What the buyer will NOT get:
Support from us. The site comes as-is. We will not further develop it nor provide techical support. If you don't know how to code or you don't have anyone who you trust to code, dont bid on it.
Account passwords. All user passwords on site are encrypted, there is no way around that (so no need to bid with the hope you will be able to hack into other casino sites)
We are sorry to have it ended this way. Thank you all!
P.S. AK, seriously, you are after people I hired over PeoplePerHour for SEO now? lol. By all means feel free to do so! P.S.2 Reloading cold wallet as we speak.
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Payout was carried as always. We never missed a single payout, and payout was on the address he provided. What i dont get is why AK would want to play at DB anyways when all those days he would just trash-talk DB with every chance, on every other site. Why the fuck to "steal" his payout, when we could"steal" the bankroll, based on your theory? Dotn even bother to answer, i really dont care at this point. Some others even connected the address to a recent exploit found on a PrimeDice deposit, where 100 BTCs also dissapeared. I have no clue. Thats the address that it was in the withdrawal field, and thats the one we executed(it didnt went automatically just because hot wallet didnt have that much as he requested, the second we refilled it it went through). Also, i got a PM yesterday, i dont know if that has anything to do with it? --> http://prntscr.com/4st3mxAs for people who simply do deposits of 0.0001 and put usernames as SCAMSCAMSCAM etc etc, im sorry, I renamed you once, twice, three times. You dont get the hint, and i dont have time for that kind of games. I will do zero accounts like this from now on. Feel free to trashtalk me all you wish here and on any other site, thats up to you. Regards I don't give a fuck attitude doesn't rly explains anything . If u want to be like that , and don't give a fuck for ur players u should close the website. Btw im not trash talking u on other sites, i will just post link to this thread for people to drawn theirs own conclusions. By all means, please do that..! BTW i never said that you trash-talked us on any site, i was reffering to AK. Also, I never said i dont give a fuck about our players(or please point me where i said so..?). My"i dont give a fuck anymore is on theories. I am sorry if you took it personal, but i was really not reffering to you. Nonetheless, i totally understand your saying and respect it. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, that doesnt mean i have to embrace it though! Thats what i meant. As for this i will just post link to this thread for people to drawn theirs own conclusions. I am 10000% behind you on this one. Regards and have a good night |
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Payout was carried as always. We never missed a single payout, and payout was on the address he provided. What i dont get is why AK would want to play at DB anyways when all those days he would just trash-talk DB with every chance, on every other site. Why the fuck to "steal" his payout, when we could"steal" the bankroll, based on your theory? Dotn even bother to answer, i really dont care at this point. Some others even connected the address to a recent exploit found on a PrimeDice deposit, where 100 BTCs also dissapeared. I have no clue. Thats the address that it was in the withdrawal field, and thats the one we executed(it didnt went automatically just because hot wallet didnt have that much as he requested, the second we refilled it it went through). Also, i got a PM yesterday, i dont know if that has anything to do with it? --> http://prntscr.com/4st3mxAs for people who simply do deposits of 0.0001 and put usernames as SCAMSCAMSCAM etc etc, im sorry, I renamed you once, twice, three times. You dont get the hint, and i dont have time for that kind of games. I will do zero accounts like this from now on. Feel free to trashtalk me all you wish here and on any other site, thats up to you. Regards |
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Regarding the apparent max profit mismatch we have changed the max profit percentage to 1% in the database but we forgot to change it on the UI. This is why there are bets with higher profit than the displayed max. This can only happen though if one is using a bot to submit bets because the UI prevents the submission of such bets. After latest big win though, we are decreasing the max bet to 0.2% of BR. We cant take that variance anymore. Payment is sent. https://blockchain.info/tx/42e448116787a3a9c38eedfb76f73d42f95d85de281cee5abd9b055d647dce6fEnjoy your profits. As for people who keep screaming scam scam scam, why you bother playing at us then? There are so many other dice sites,and respectable like dice.ninja, feel free and go play there. Depositing and playing on a "scammy" site, makes no sense to me. Im tired of arguments. I beg you, dont play here! Regards |
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All payments sent! Thank you all for participating. Sadly, we will not continue our signature campaign!
Regards
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Just finished payments now.
Thank you all for participating. As said, we will not continue our signature campaign.
Regards!
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Hello We will count posts and finalize payments within 24h. As for upgrades, please check OP : https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=758854.0b. Will I get paid at the high or low activity level? -- In case your level changes during the payment period, you will be paid the rates you had when you enrolled. |
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List updated, payment will be done in less than 24h! Thank you all for participating(currently we will NOT renew the signature campaign!)
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Martijnvdc your account has not been deleted. It is there under the username MVDC. If you had any problems with your login you should've opened a support ticket. Do you want me to reset the password and send you an email at the email registered to this account? It is super easy to do.
Yes, MVDC is indeed my username. How come my password has changed? Please email me to reset my password. I would like to finally get this support ticket over with... I do not know what is the issue with your password. I cannot know what password you have put because we keep them encrypted in the database. I have emailed you the link to your account. Please add a password that you will remember. |
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Because all of a sudden my username/password don't match anymore. Even though i have been doing this daily for weeks now. And you are 100% sure it's correct? If so, damn. I feel sorry for you man. Yes, very sure. I don't think there was much left on the account balance, so i'm not worried about that. It's just very strange all of a sudden my account doesn't work anymore, even though i had an open ticket about the investment issue. I strongly suggest other people with open tickets to take screenshots of their tickets and account balances, etc. Because right now i don't have any proof of being owed 0.251 BTC....... Martijnvdc your account has not been deleted. It is there under the username MVDC. If you had any problems with your login you should've opened a support ticket. Do you want me to reset the password and send you an email at the email registered to this account? It is super easy to do. I have been trying to get an answer for some time now, is this site still functioning and all that? It is so confusing what actually is going on
Yes it is functioning properly. I think what Martjnvdc is saying is true. Some accounts on this list are not real as well https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=716312.msg8900650#msg8900650I was able to sign up as the user Degenerate. I did not know what coupons were so never tried redeeming. I even opened a ticket to dicebitco that they should stop lying as this account was never created. And the very next day the account was disabled and I couldn't log in. Are you serious?? You were able to sign up using an account name on that list? All of the things going on here just seem to point to him being a scammer... And yet he threatens to give me "bad feedback" on here, if i continue to claim he's a scammer. This is funny. The only way for you to have registered under the userame "Degenerate" is if the actual user that used this username changed it (BTW he hasn't). User Degenerate is registered since 4th of September 2014. We use a unique index on the username so no way two users to have the same username. As for the vouchers on that list, again username is mutable. The only immutable thing (which every voucher is bound to) is the user ID and it is listed right next to each voucher so even if you had been able to register under the username Degenerate that doesn't mean that you could claim the voucher. |
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I did a profile on Manl over multiple accounts when Dicebitcoin started, and he exhibits signs of a classic con man.
The senarios below sum up the testing I did on Dicebitcoin (I also did these same tests on Dooglus, Dean and Stunna. These 3 passed the test)
1. account has over 20btc deposited, manl is very freindly. Even when I ask stupid questions
2. Account has a flakes deposited, manl is very rude, even when I ask legit questions
3. Account has nothing in it. Manl is trolling me hard.
Con men will always get their victims through gaining trust. They gain trust in 3 ways:
1. trust by association
2. trust by acting like a trustworthy figure. Like dressing like a pilot or doctor etc (not possible online)
3. trust by explaining what great deeds they did in the past. <-- this is the biggest sign of a conman.
Dicebitcoin is guilty of 1 & 3. By gaining Dooglus's trust in the beginning they obtained trust by association. This was massive for them and gained the entire community trust which meant they now had everyone's trust (except mine). Doog is not to blame here, he trusted them and they used that to gain more trust in the community.
Dicebitcoin then proceeded to do the long con. They know, gamblers don't usually verify, because most gamblers believe that because it is verifiable then they wont be cheated. Investors trust the owners and cannot verify if they are being cheated. So a dice site like dicebitcoin would play on their own accounts to get income from investors. They would then reduce the payout amount on the player accounts by skipping a few bets here and there to make up for it. It seemed that the amount of this reducing player accounts was indeed buggy, as finnile's account would never have been intended for a setting of 90% bets losing. Then use trust to create a story, since now you got caught stealing.
One would pay out the people who lost because you need to keep the trust levels up. You would then proceed to do the impossible with mateo account (I watched it live for hours). Then to con people into false trust again, you lose all the gains to the bank once everyone has already divested. You then try for new trust by saying it was variance and mateo just got lucky. We actually talked about this while it was happening. We predicted Mateo would lose to the bank at some point to show the betting was legit. And that's what happened.. Mateo's winning was impossible in terms of variance, and hit just so happened that the worlds luckiest guy was around on Dicebitcoin when they got caught stealing.
The entire thing is classic con man. You couldn't write a better psychological example of how con men operate.
The argument of "I didn't run with 7000 btc so i must be trusted" is not a good one, because most con men will run a long term con to make the most profit and keep trust in the community. No good con men works like a petty thief, they are sophisticated in the art of social engineering.
Also, keep in mind we do not know who dicebitcoin are. Whois lookup is false, your names are fake... there is nothing tracing you back to who you are. Dooglus is traceable, and when I tested his character on JD, a year go, he didn't change his personality if i had no money or a lot of money.
Casino investors and players, please do not fall for social engineered scams. People question Stunna at PD all the time, but the fact is, he can't scam investors, because he has none. and he can't scam players, because he has a provably fair algorithm. If you don't like his algorithm, then don't play there. And always verify your bets on all sites!
You sir are the king of suckpuppets The senarios below sum up the testing I did on Dicebitcoin (I also did these same tests on Dooglus, Dean and Stunna. These 3 passed the test)
1. account has over 20btc deposited, manl is very freindly. Even when I ask stupid questions
2. Account has a flakes deposited, manl is very rude, even when I ask legit questions
3. Account has nothing in it. Manl is trolling me hard. We were ALWAYs friendly, and helpful, WITH EVERYONE. If you have evidence of the opposite, i ask you kindly to provide it here Doog is not to blame here, he trusted them and they used that to gain more trust in the community. We already had 2k BTCs invested, before dooglus starts playing/investing/showing his support. The argument of "I didn't run with 7000 btc so i must be trusted" is not a good one, because most con men will run a long term con to make the most profit and keep trust in the community That is beyond stupid. We never expect the BR to reach those numbers again, tbh im quite suprized it even stayed around 2k. They know, gamblers don't usually verify, because most gamblers believe that because it is verifiable then they wont be cheated That is SO WRONG. If i was a gambler, and i lost, FIRST thing i would do is VERIFY my rolls. Simple as that. Also, if you really were in chat(that i highly doubt), you would see, everytime some big bust was going on, we and mods would say everytime: VERIFY YOUR ROLLS. You then try for new trust by saying it was variance and mateo just got lucky. We actually talked about this while it was happening. We predicted Mateo would lose to the bank at some point to show the betting was legit. And that's what happened.. Mateo's winning was impossible in terms of variance, and hit just so happened that the worlds luckiest guy was around on Dicebitcoin when they got caught stealing. There is NO IMPOSSIBLE in variance. Highly unlikely yes, impossible no. So, you predicted that mateo will lose? Then you should invest when profit was -330 BTC! Imagine how much coins you would have made! If mateo lost --> you predicted it --> scam. If mateo didnt lose --> we stole them --> scam. I like your logic Also, keep in mind we do not know who dicebitcoin are. Whois lookup is false, your names are fake... there is nothing tracing you back to who you are. Dooglus is traceable, and when I tested his character on JD, a year go, he didn't change his personality if i had no money or a lot of money. Dooglus is not traceable. Wake up. Please give me example of how you"tested" my character, im really curious on your claims! Oh yes, its been a long time/you didnt save the logs/you lost your screenshot? People question Stunna at PD all the time, but the fact is, he can't scam investors, because he has none. and he can't scam players, because he has a provably fair algorithm. Our algorithm is a provably fair as well, and ANYONE can verify it. Check your facts, and come again. Very good analysis bodgybrothers. Time to find the man(L)Gerr and their families, and offer them a one way ticket to ISIS-recreation park. As for you, i put you a negative trust, because i had enough of your shit. You can leave me back, as you could possibly check, the trust system is not my no1 priority. Regards |
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Thanks. I'm surprised how small it is. All it does it changes a couple of <title> tags and adds the cheat code. I was thinking the cheat code would be buried deep among a bunch of complex unrelated changes but apparently not. 12 hours later, and a thought popped unbidden into my head: "Hey, I know why I thought the changes would be bigger... because manl SAID they were bigger! Remember this? How sure can you be that this malicious ex-employee isn't currently draining the bankroll by playing with a leaked seed?
We rolled back the admin update that it was deployed with the buggy code with an older version(lesser features and more PITA for us to do things but works and its made by us). Rolling back the update resulted in "lesser features and more PITA for us to do things". But the patch that was presented here did nothing other than change the <title> tags and make the site skip some winning nonces. Funny how the brain works isn't it? Sorry I had to be clearer about the diff. This diff is from the commit that introduced the malicious code. It was part of a feature branch ( https://www.atlassian.com/git/tutorials/comparing-workflows/feature-branch-workflow) that he was working on about some frontend and SEO stuff. Actually the changes that the whole branch introduced are a lot more than the changes depicted in this diff. |
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There is one aspect of that story that's still bothering me (well there is more than one TBH, but I'm trying to pretend now that it's true). They said the the rogue employee "had to chose manually which player to ‘cheat’". How did he do that if he didn't have access to the production database? Some kind of a backdoor in the UI? All we've seen was two or three lines of code that don't really explain much. I think at the very least DB should have published the whole commit. This is one of those things that would have gone a long way towards credibility.
Good point. The three line screenshot didn't really show anything. Could we see the whole diff he submitted? The condition for when to apply the nonce-skip would be interesting. I too wonder how the rogue employee was able to chose manually which players to cheat when he didn't have access to the db. To answer your question there was no backdoor on the UI. Besides the "main" website we also have an application in place that we use to do simple day-to-day operations (such as reseting users password, process manual withdraws etc), an 'admin' application if you like. In this application the are only stuff that anyone can view (no secret stuff lying around) and do. One of those is that one could view / edit a JSON field on the user that we use primarily for storing meta information (for you techies take a look here: http://www.postgresql.org/docs/9.4/static/datatype-json.html) such as last-login, how much time he is active etc, nothing important. He used this schemaless column to store the data he wanted in order to persist the conditions that when met the skipping happened. Doog, as for the diff I will post it later Here is the diff for the malicious code commit, for what it's worth http://pastebin.com/anXZmNM6 |
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There is one aspect of that story that's still bothering me (well there is more than one TBH, but I'm trying to pretend now that it's true). They said the the rogue employee "had to chose manually which player to ‘cheat’". How did he do that if he didn't have access to the production database? Some kind of a backdoor in the UI? All we've seen was two or three lines of code that don't really explain much. I think at the very least DB should have published the whole commit. This is one of those things that would have gone a long way towards credibility.
Good point. The three line screenshot didn't really show anything. Could we see the whole diff he submitted? The condition for when to apply the nonce-skip would be interesting. I too wonder how the rogue employee was able to chose manually which players to cheat when he didn't have access to the db. To answer your question there was no backdoor on the UI. Besides the "main" website we also have an application in place that we use to do simple day-to-day operations (such as reseting users password, process manual withdraws etc), an 'admin' application if you like. In this application the are only stuff that anyone can view (no secret stuff lying around) and do. One of those is that one could view / edit a JSON field on the user that we use primarily for storing meta information (for you techies take a look here: http://www.postgresql.org/docs/9.4/static/datatype-json.html) such as last-login, how much time he is active etc, nothing important. He used this schemaless column to store the data he wanted in order to persist the conditions that when met the skipping happened. Doog, as for the diff I will post it later |
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YOU ARE LYING.
He won almost all his bets... Against a negative bankroll... This site is STILL RIGGED.
You should have halted the gambling and sent the investor's money to their emergency address once a security issue was found. Instead, you let the gambling continue, and even THEN you still let Mateo withdraw his money. You continued the gambling without a deep inspection into your source code.
How can you lie about what happened when there were so many people watching it all happen??
Also, i believe it would be your moral obligation to halt the gambling until all investors could at least be given the time to log into their accounts. I wasn't even given a chance or even a warning email of what happened. A gambler won UNFAIRLY against my investment, and somehow it's my fault for not divesting WHILE he was cheating??
Your actions show nothing but the intent to steal money from the investors and get away with it.
Get your facts right. He didnt win almost all his bets, plus he ended up busting big time(lost all he won + more). Against a negative bankroll..? What is negative bankroll? mateos' first withdrawal wasnt done automatically. We went though all his bets and they were legit. He also had randomzied his server seed, so it was impossible for him to cheat. Simple as that. As far as the"continued gambling" we did only after we inspected the code, isolated the malicious code and made 1000% sure it works as it should. Calling the site STILL RIGGED will just get you a negative trust next time you post, without facts. And thats the last time i answer to you. I am sorry you divested when in loss, but the gambler did NOT win unfairly against your investment, since he had no access to server seeds. You miss the point that from this whole fiasco, the OJLY people that had a profit out of this were investors. Neither we or users with known server seeds. |
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Here is the updated list as promised, including original stake!
The list with affected users and vouchers follows:
ID USERNAME TOTAL AFFECTED ALREADY REFUNDED WE OWE VOUCHER EXTRA REFUND(with base bet returned as well)
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861 cuwirebeard 7.1556 5.90107777 1.25452223 DICE-OOMZ-RHAO-VVJM-NADM-VPID 0.804 DICE-OJZO-PEUN-KQLY-WDGR-KADQ
4153 chris.jakubowski 0.17653184 0 0.17653184 DICE-WRER-RGQN-WBQK-SAKG-YVCY 0.17653184 DICE-PYDZ-XJJD-INOK-VCMX-REWX
4433 presto 0.92611544 0 0.92611544 DICE-SGXP-HDOH-NQIJ-OBHR-BSNH 0.22145 DICE-MNRT-AOJT-XSCZ-BXVV-UMLE
12599 RNG 6.93989901 2.62806461 4.3118344 DICE-IQPB-VQHY-KRQN-NJLW-LLRQ 1.0451 DICE-EYQD-SCYQ-XLBB-JBTA-PEOH
13835 Altitude 0.51368555 0 0.51368555 DICE-YVKB-WGVS-LROH-QUHU-QKNT 0.51368555 DICE-CWFF-VJDM-SYEV-KIYS-ZRBW
16189 andyazz 1.49798912 0 1.49798912 DICE-KTAW-CVNY-QCTR-BSBT-POYV 0.8192 DICE-RQGL-HIXB-AOOE-WDVV-KWBK
16511 marcellus_hand 1.23665803 0 1.23665803 DICE-GLXJ-BGHY-DNHT-JPXB-UKCD 2.54803968 DICE-TVMN-LBFF-VXFN-QOMJ-YVTV
16657 kinki 1.234375 0 1.234375 DICE-POMK-UXEH-EACC-IYDC-YHHK 0.3125 DICE-MCON-KPUZ-CIOT-NHIH-WBVR
18541 coty_predovic 27.64702008 20 7.64702008 DICE-IEZN-HFKV-OEUX-RTXE-WPBD 1.03255611 DICE-ZCVC-TOUX-YDZB-HXXF-ICLV
18544 Degenerate 0.4 0 0.4 DICE-RVYD-WUQQ-NTPH-YIEJ-TJKH 0.4 DICE-TLEA-XXQN-NCSZ-RGMW-JFVZ
19864 marie_lemke 55.18 35.1 20.08 DICE-WFQT-YWBJ-JFSC-KLLM-LROU 6.2 DICE-NHLI-XYNK-YUYW-JXWK-GDFX
19914 lewis.aufderhar 1.781328 0 1.781328 DICE-CIFJ-FTUE-OSIP-MYIU-RPWD 1.20768 DICE-YTKK-HMUJ-OSDU-BIEB-OOFO
20178 esperanza.ritchie 1.74797619 0 1.74797619 DICE-HHWZ-LVKF-ZVMM-HRLK-UJQD 1.36994048 DICE-QYGY-QTJD-DADC-ULKF-HMDD
10637 themikego 1.50665557 2.85665558 0
18165 Focus 7.5 8.00258683 0
6769 finnile 2.80773526 2 0.80773526 DICE-XVHT-HNEV-UTNG-TNCL-ZVZG
16416 James 7 14.3792809 0
Note vouchers are bind to account, meaning only the spesific userid/username can claim it!
I will be afk almost whole day due to some family situations. I will try to get back to any replies/conserns later at night.
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