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I like that the small discussion in this topic has resumed and that the OP does not give up his idea about the algorithm he found and the possibility of somehow monetizing his invention.
On the other hand, look at the processes of your game, because sometimes it’s true that the thought that something is wrong in the game algorithms on the part of the casino, especially when you are experiencing a period of pathological bad luck. So checking the fairness of the game is the most important element of the psychological impact on the player. And in any case, this is aimed at acquiring a comfortable state during the game. When a player knows for sure that the game is being played fairly, then even losing a game is not as offensive as if you suspect that your opponent’s game is not fair.
However, the question arises whether checking honesty is a marketing technique. And most importantly, is it not necessary to somehow check the honesty of the new honesty verification algorithm? But this can only be done by a specialist, a very strong, trained and experienced mathematician. And among casino managers, there are hardly any such people. So it becomes a vicious circle. And therefore, you can still search for a long time and unsuccessfully for casino bosses for the potential implementation of a new algorithm and for such mathematicians too. And many casino bosses don’t need this at all, since their game algorithms themselves may not be entirely fair, and the new algorithm can expose them.
Perhaps only theoretical interest remains in the implementation of the new algorithm.
If you followed the conversation, you know that the objective of my system is to give the players that ability instead of it being just for specialists as you say. There are casino bosses who understand this. I talked to one of them, who was simply expecting me to send it to him for free with no strings attached whatsoever. But at this point no I have almost no hope for monetizing my system. I’ve tried everything I could. I’ll just keep this in mind until the day I can somehow somewhere put it in place myself. |
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For provable fairness onchain, i have been stumbling upon solutions like this one from Chainlink: https://docs.chain.link/vrfVerifiable Random Function is used by quite a few smaller onchain platforms in the meanwhile, think this is something to take a look at, especially taking into account the reputation Chainlink has build for themselves. The biggest oracle competitor, Pyth, has been developing a similar solution, Entropy, but i have not heard of projects using it yet https://pyth.network/blog/pyth-entropy-random-number-generation-for-blockchain-appsThis is very interesting, but not from the player’s point of view. The player, again, should trust the system or understand a very complex process. On the other hand, the link you provided redirects to a page for version 2 documentation, which itself contains “developer documentation” link, that redirects to the first page, that has no developer documentation whatsoever, but only on the commercial use of their services. |
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The hidden 💎 is still waiting, and it is up for a show for free  You should make public your provably fair system because even if you sell it to a casino they will make it public to let the users verify their rolls. I'm still curious about how it works. Maybe you could create a website where you explain the logic of your system and accept donations for those who decide to use it. If the conference goes public please share the link here, i would like to watch it. The conference is only to explain the provably fair system to these landbased cardroom managers, I will not expose my system, but give hints to it. Who knows, that might lead to some opportunities, or they might redirect me to other professionals… Yes I know there was also one respectable online casino executive who wanted me to show my system for free, and I accepted it, on the condition to make some agreements on some reward in case they decide to use my system, and he didn’t want to! There is zero chance I am revealing it without some sort of previous agreement. I don't get what you're going for, but this comes off pretty naive. You can't just drop vague hints about some magic provably fair system and expect investors to bite - they need details and verification. Casinos aren't about smoke and mirrors, but solid security engineering to guarantee fair games and if you've actually invented something groundbreaking, you'll need more than a sales pitch. Bring the data and engineering to prove it. The gambling industry values innovation but only if it checks out under the hood. Did I say I was expecting investment? Or that it was a sales pitch? |
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The hidden 💎 is still waiting, and it is up for a show for free You should make public your provably fair system because even if you sell it to a casino they will make it public to let the users verify their rolls. I'm still curious about how it works. Maybe you could create a website where you explain the logic of your system and accept donations for those who decide to use it. If the conference goes public please share the link here, i would like to watch it. The conference is only to explain the provably fair system to these landbased cardroom managers, I will not expose my system, but give hints to it. Who knows, that might lead to some opportunities, or they might redirect me to other professionals… Yes I know there was also one respectable online casino executive who wanted me to show my system for free, and I accepted it, on the condition to make some agreements on some reward in case they decide to use my system, and he didn’t want to! There is zero chance I am revealing it without some sort of previous agreement. |
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I am going to do a presentation in one of the medium sized clubs (medium to small size, but at least prestigious)
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The hidden 💎 is still waiting, and it is up for a show for free |
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Up. The hidden 💎 is still waiting.  |
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This sounds great, at least in theory—I mean, “provably fair play.” However, personally I would like more details. How will it be proven or disproved that the game is fair?
I don't mean the practice of match fixing, I mean the many practices of bookmakers. We know that bookmakers don't like profitable players at a distance. And in many cases, they can perform not entirely legal or fair manipulations: reduce odds, cut maximums, block accounts. Can all these activities be tracked or moved to the web3 realm? In any case, I associate progress in the field of betting with a further increase in the transparency of bookmaker organizations.
This is an example of people interested in “provably fair” games. They’ll find their answer easily in my system. This hidden gem 💎 is still waiting for its future owner to shine. The 💎 will reveal itself free of charge. Of course, prior agreements should take place just in case (and in reality when) the casino executive decides to use it for his company, but that is not much to ask and really a minimum for anyone coming up with such an idea. Up. Lots of out of subject spams here. Just don’t want my message to get lost. |
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This sounds great, at least in theory—I mean, “provably fair play.” However, personally I would like more details. How will it be proven or disproved that the game is fair?
I don't mean the practice of match fixing, I mean the many practices of bookmakers. We know that bookmakers don't like profitable players at a distance. And in many cases, they can perform not entirely legal or fair manipulations: reduce odds, cut maximums, block accounts. Can all these activities be tracked or moved to the web3 realm? In any case, I associate progress in the field of betting with a further increase in the transparency of bookmaker organizations.
This is an example of people interested in “provably fair” games. They’ll find their answer easily in my system. This hidden gem 💎 is still waiting for its future owner to shine. The 💎 will reveal itself free of charge. Of course, prior agreements should take place just in case (and in reality when) the casino executive decides to use it for his company, but that is not much to ask and really a minimum for anyone coming up with such an idea. |
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That is the reason why it seems to sound as if no one can have such a working system that works with you all the time and let's see if you can prove that further convincingly.
Don't mind him mate, everyone has the freedom of saying whatever thing they like for the reasons best known to them, it's just as if someone should come here now to tell us that he has a solution to how we cannot miss a gambling bet any longer again by giving a trick, of it had been working then he would have been the first person to benefits from it and also that he wouldn't have wanted to give it out. These 2 accounts must be flagged for shitposting. Completely out of subject. |
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I did. No answer whatsoever. Only one executive here on forum contacted me, a very respected person, and a member of the crypto gambling foundation. After some emails, it looked clear he wanted me to share my system without expecting anything in return. I made a very reasonable offer and he stopped responding (as I said, prevealing my system is free of charge. They’re only charged if they decide to implement it!!). Big upset.
For casinos, it’s almost over. But it’s a good idea to research people who develop casinos.
Casino owner's plays a vital rule in the overall reality of the casinos and how it functions on the long run, this is very much important because when you talk about the system that makes up for the casino, it will be hard to deviate from the actual fact and figure of what really transpired behind the scenes, and this is very important to note at all time, when it comes to gambling operation. So for that, we may have to take the time to reflect on the basic content of the team at least we should know their gambling background and how their meet up with the market demands and also carry themselves along the way. Yeah I think that’s the truth. But to be honest with you, I can’t hide the fact that I’m angry about the outcome. I mean I am REALLY CERTAIN that this system works WAY MUCH BETTER than the current system. NO ONE wants to even take a FREE look at it. And those who took a little interest want a free look at my system, that’s fine with me, but without any further engagement in case they decide to use my system for their casino…. I mean come on. In any case, casino executives, your messages are always welcome. That’s all I can say for the time being. That being said, I wish you all the best of luck, in business and personal life. |
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provably fair games are okay as it is. They don't need to be improved upon or whatever.
Everything can be improved, no matter how good it may seem now. Maybe you may not see it but if someone else sees it and tries to make it better, then I don't see anything wrong with that. People are constantly trying to improve a lot of things that are "okay as it is" and they should be encouraged to do so. If their innovations are better than the previous ones, then they should be adopted, but if it's not, they should be discarded. Still open for suggestions on whom I might contact.
Why not contact the casinos directly through email? I don't know who to contact for stuff like this, but I feel the best way to contact them is through email. I'm not saying it guarantees you a positive outcome but it's worth the shot. Also, research people trying to develop a casino and reach out to them. If you truly believe you have something great to offer and if you believe it's something they'll like to have don't stop. Know that you'll most definitely get some rejections, but that should teach you and you should learn from it. I did. No answer whatsoever. Only one executive here on forum contacted me, a very respected person, and a member of the crypto gambling foundation. After some emails, it looked clear he wanted me to share my system without expecting anything in return. I made a very reasonable offer and he stopped responding (as I said, revealing my system is free of charge. They’re only charged if they decide to implement it!!). Big upset. For casinos, it’s almost over. But it’s a good idea to research people who develop casinos. |
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Crypto gambling website representatives: please DM so that I can send you my CV. I am only responding to respected crypto gambling representatives here. I have many remarkable academic accomplishments, and looking to make a deal in exchange for my provably fair system. Depending on the size and the reputation of your casino, I won’t ask for escrow and you’ll get to see my system before any payment is made. This is what I have to offer: I have a unique approach to implementing provably fair games. Unlike current methods, my approach significantly simplifies the implementation process. This results in a game system that requires minimal cryptography understanding from players, almost no coding skills, and only a brief time to comprehend and verify game outcomes. This approach can be applied to most provably fair games at this stage. Presently, average crypto users interested in playing provably fair games are required to navigate through approximately four pages of information https://stake.com/provably-fair/overview, possess a deep understanding of coding, and dedicate substantial effort to comprehending and validating the fairness of results. My proposed approach addresses these challenges and offers, as well, the following advantages: - Equally robust provably fair gameplay, ensuring the impossibility of cheating and enabling verification, with no trust required. -The explanations provided to players are presented in a half-page format, yet deliver the same value as the current four-page requirement. Other people who have useful comments might do so, but please refrain from trying to know how I get to implement the provably fair games this way because I am not saying anything nor giving any hints. Stories about people who passed through similar situations as mine are appreciated. Thank you! Edit 26/08/23: It is so hard to get to know legitimate emails where I can send my CV and a letter. If you know any, please post them below. Edited on 25/10/2023: I am only looking to make a deal for my system. I have previously stated that prior I should be hired as an advisor but I now think that’s irrelevant for the service I can offer. What makes you think you have solved the problem ? You need to broaden your horizons and by this setting boundaries to making sure every steps is taken into input will help you achieve a great deal . Looking at your set up,i would preferably say you have come along way but it didn't go down to eliminating or solving the complexity in fair games.. We all know gambling is a game of tactics,IQ and lots more but you need to breakdown the parts you have tremendously tackled. My system eliminates most of the complexity linked to verifying provably fair games. What does that mean? It means you don’t have to be a developer nor you have to learn coding, nor install any coding software to verify the outcomes (nor any other software or plugin). The steps are basic and simple. Now of course, since we’re talking about verifying outcomes, a bit of effort is needed, but is nothing compared to the effort needed for the current system. |
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Still open for suggestions on whom I might contact.
I’m asking simply out of curiosity and so that other forum users would think about the fact that alternative algorithms for checking provable honesty could indeed be invented. This is a rather important direction for the development of the entire gambling industry in general, it seems to me. So, OP, please respond, has anything changed in your search for those casino executives who would agree to use this innovative invention of yours. Or is it still just polite or even not polite refusals to cooperate? Actually, since this looks like some kind of mathematical algorithm, maybe it’s still worth starting to discuss it in the scientific community of mathematicians, maybe even in some kind of disguised, hidden form (so that no one steals the invention)? Unfortunately, there might be no future (for me) in regards to this. Until someone from within the casino industry figures it out. It’s a good idea though to continue talking about it, maybe outside of a strict gambling enterprise environment, like you said. |
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Still open for suggestions on whom I might contact.
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If you created a new and better provably fair engine that's cool, but once a casino hire you to implement it then it will become public because the casino has to explain to the users how it works.
And i don't see the current provably fair engines as complex as you mention, they have logic and they already let the users verify their rolls.
A provably fair engine must have 3 elements:
-Server Seed.
-User Seed.
-Nonce.
If you skip any of those inputs then your engine isn't provably fair, that why it would be nice to know your system to be able to compare it with the current ones the casinos have and decide if it's better or not.
You don’t see it as complex? Are you a developer? How do you verify your bets? Yes that is correct about what you mention for the 3 elements. Yes, I'm a developer, the way I verify my bets is almost the same in all the provably fair engines. 1.-You make a string with the SSeed, USeed and the Nonce. then get the sha256 from that string. 2.-take the last 4 digits from the sha256 change from hex to Dec for dice and to binary for plinko. Those 3 elements are necessary for the next reason: -Server Seed: To avoid the user predicting the next roll (That's why it comes hashed and user can see it after getting new seed.) -User Seed: To avoid the house manipulate the bet result. -Nonce: To have a different result in the next bet with the same seeds. So, I'm really curious about your method, if you don't have one of these elements then the bet can be rigged from the user or house side. I know you must be really curious, and I also can’t wait to share my system, but unfortunately I haven’t had the opportunity yet. Yes I was pretty sure you were a developer, if you don’t find understanding and verifying the provably fair games a difficult task (at least in the beginning). My system is destined to non developers, who know a little bit about crypto and computers to be able to use a crypto casino. |
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Isn't it more better that we allow everybody to claim what they want or they are into, why i say this is for them to be able to get their own satisfaction well enough beyond their conviction and then they get contempted, then they will be able to know their own limit for whatever they are bringing to others as if it could always be the solution to other's people's problem, gambling is far beto what we think we can on our own self solve the problem, even the gambling casinos couldn't, how much us.
Spamming to meet post requirements should be severely punished. This account should be tagged. |
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I agree. They would get customers to register while other platforms are busy implementing my system of provably fair games.
I really don't know if you may have been hired by any casino here on this forum, but if not, then I think they are yet to be convinced by this service which you offer, which is also a sign that you actually need to step up your marketing strategy to convince the over 20+ casinos we have here on this forum. But however, there is a statement highlighted bold above which you just said which caught my attention (i.e while other platforms are busy implementing my system of provably fair games. ), which implies that there are many casinos out there which you were able to help implement this strategy of provably fair games, right? So if so, why not give an example of some of the casinos you were able to help implement this method so that casino representatives here could go examine the previous work you did, and if they are satisfied with it, they could likely hire you to come duplicate same on there casino. That's just my simple suggestion. Thank you What you put in bold means that once a single casino implements it, everyone will see it and follow steps, no doubt about it. It will take some time though, and during that time it would be my client Casino who will get the players. The other casinos don’t need any permission because systems, ways of doing things or algorithms can’t be patented. |
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Math algorithms and methods cannot be registered, do not ask me why, but there is certainly an edge on a first implementation if you move it fast enough.
I agree. They would get customers to register while other platforms are busy implementing my system of provably fair games. It will take some time for them to know about it, make a plan, talk with the developers and then implement it and release it. In the meanwhile, the platform who implemented it first will get many new customers. |
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