I have solved the problem of complexity in provably fair games

[AussieMat]

The hidden 💎 is still waiting, and it is up for a show for free  

You should make public your provably fair system because even if you sell it to a casino they will make it public to let the users verify their rolls.

I'm still curious about how it works. Maybe you could create a website where you explain the logic of your system and accept donations for those who decide to use it.

If the conference goes public please share the link here, i would like to watch it.

The conference is only to explain the provably fair system to these landbased cardroom managers, I will not expose my system, but give hints to it. Who knows, that might lead to some opportunities, or they might redirect me to other professionals…

Yes I know there was also one respectable online casino executive who wanted me to show my system for free, and I accepted it, on the condition to make some agreements on some reward in case they decide to use my system, and he didn’t want to! There is zero chance I am revealing it without some sort of previous agreement.

I don't get what you're going for, but this comes off pretty naive. You can't just drop vague hints about some magic provably fair system and expect investors to bite - they need details and verification.  Casinos aren't about smoke and mirrors, but solid security engineering to guarantee fair games and  if you've actually invented something groundbreaking, you'll need more than a sales pitch.  Bring the data and engineering to prove it.  The gambling industry values innovation but only if it checks out under the hood.

Did I say I was expecting investment? Or that it was a sales pitch?

[decodx]

Did I say I was expecting investment? Or that it was a sales pitch?

Yes you did. Investment can take many forms. Even asking for someone's time, you're asking for an investment. You want their attention, and potentially, their money.  As for the "sales pitch", read the dictionary if you don't know the meaning of the term.

[ScamViruS]

Did I say I was expecting investment? Or that it was a sales pitch?

Everyone's time is valuable and as a company executive's time is very valuable, it takes a lot of effort to communicate with them and get their attention, which is very difficult, so it's also an investment because you're spending a lot of your time with that particular person to talk about your product and at that time if they like your product then you will get the most benefit, so it is an investment.

[bradBurn]

For provable fairness onchain, i have been stumbling upon solutions like this one from Chainlink:
https://docs.chain.link/vrf
Verifiable Random Function is used by quite a few smaller onchain platforms in the meanwhile, think this is something to take a look at, especially taking into account the reputation Chainlink has build for themselves.
The biggest oracle competitor, Pyth, has been developing a similar solution, Entropy, but i have not heard of projects using it yet
https://pyth.network/blog/pyth-entropy-random-number-generation-for-blockchain-apps

[ScamViruS]

Did I say I was expecting investment? Or that it was a sales pitch?

Everyone's time is valuable and as a company executive's time is very valuable, it takes a lot of effort to communicate with them and get their attention, which is very difficult, so it's also an investment because you're spending a lot of your time with that particular person to talk about your product and at that time if they like your product then you will get the most benefit, so it is an investment.

I believe all that is needed is for you both to understand each other and get the right point of view you're both emphasizing on, there's nothing much when each one of us is trying to express ourselves and prove a fact, this is not to sound as if we are raking attack on the other, but the whole idea the other party is trying to figure out is what we should get and understand from each other without picking offence

It is difficult to come up with the right idea because everyone has different perspectives, so it is better to try to learn more from each other's opinions. And this community is also created in such a way that everyone can share their opinions. I have given my opinion here which may not agree with others, but I think it feels right to me. Yes it's true sometimes it seems like someone is attacking because everyone has a different opinion, but in reality everything is different it's just that person's personal opinion.

[AussieMat]

For provable fairness onchain, i have been stumbling upon solutions like this one from Chainlink:
https://docs.chain.link/vrf
Verifiable Random Function is used by quite a few smaller onchain platforms in the meanwhile, think this is something to take a look at, especially taking into account the reputation Chainlink has build for themselves.
The biggest oracle competitor, Pyth, has been developing a similar solution, Entropy, but i have not heard of projects using it yet
https://pyth.network/blog/pyth-entropy-random-number-generation-for-blockchain-apps

This is very interesting, but not from the player’s point of view. The player, again, should trust the system or understand a very complex process.

On the other hand, the link you provided redirects to a page for version 2 documentation, which itself contains “developer documentation” link, that redirects to the first page, that has no developer documentation whatsoever, but only on the commercial use of their services.

[delfastTions]

I like that the small discussion in this topic has resumed and that the OP does not give up his idea about the algorithm he found and the possibility of somehow monetizing his invention. 
On the other hand, look at the processes of your game, because sometimes it’s true that the thought that something is wrong in the game algorithms on the part of the casino, especially when you are experiencing a period of pathological bad luck.  So checking the fairness of the game is the most important element of the psychological impact on the player.  And in any case, this is aimed at acquiring a comfortable state during the game.  When a player knows for sure that the game is being played fairly, then even losing a game is not as offensive as if you suspect that your opponent’s game is not fair.
 However, the question arises whether checking honesty is a marketing technique.  And most importantly, is it not necessary to somehow check the honesty of the new honesty verification algorithm?  But this can only be done by a specialist, a very strong, trained and experienced mathematician.  And among casino managers, there are hardly any such people.  So it becomes a vicious circle.  And therefore, you can still search for a long time and unsuccessfully for casino bosses for the potential implementation of a new algorithm and for such mathematicians too.  And many casino bosses don’t need this at all, since their game algorithms themselves may not be entirely fair, and the new algorithm can expose them. 
Perhaps only theoretical interest remains in the implementation of the new algorithm.

[AussieMat]

I like that the small discussion in this topic has resumed and that the OP does not give up his idea about the algorithm he found and the possibility of somehow monetizing his invention. 
On the other hand, look at the processes of your game, because sometimes it’s true that the thought that something is wrong in the game algorithms on the part of the casino, especially when you are experiencing a period of pathological bad luck.  So checking the fairness of the game is the most important element of the psychological impact on the player.  And in any case, this is aimed at acquiring a comfortable state during the game.  When a player knows for sure that the game is being played fairly, then even losing a game is not as offensive as if you suspect that your opponent’s game is not fair.
 However, the question arises whether checking honesty is a marketing technique.  And most importantly, is it not necessary to somehow check the honesty of the new honesty verification algorithm?  But this can only be done by a specialist, a very strong, trained and experienced mathematician.  And among casino managers, there are hardly any such people.  So it becomes a vicious circle.  And therefore, you can still search for a long time and unsuccessfully for casino bosses for the potential implementation of a new algorithm and for such mathematicians too.  And many casino bosses don’t need this at all, since their game algorithms themselves may not be entirely fair, and the new algorithm can expose them. 
Perhaps only theoretical interest remains in the implementation of the new algorithm.

If you followed the conversation, you know that the objective of my system is to give the players that ability instead of it being just for specialists as you say.

There are casino bosses who understand this. I talked to one of them, who was simply expecting me to send it to him for free with no strings attached whatsoever. But at this point no I have almost no hope for monetizing my system. I’ve tried everything I could. I’ll just keep this in mind until the day I can somehow somewhere put it in place myself.

[Dunamisx]

Sometimes we may not be able to achieve to a certain extent what we have intend to do because we have no strong financial background to pursuing after the target we have set, as long as we have something to offer to the community or general public as a whole and we have no buoyancy in finances or have some kind of dependencies in other to achieve such as a target, we may not got tied to some certain limit on how far we can go.

[delfastTions]

If you followed the conversation, you know that the objective of my system is to give the players that ability instead of it being just for specialists as you say.

There are casino bosses who understand this. I talked to one of them, who was simply expecting me to send it to him for free with no strings attached whatsoever. But at this point no I have almost no hope for monetizing my system. I’ve tried everything I could. I’ll just keep this in mind until the day I can somehow somewhere put it in place myself.

Honestly, you deserve my respect more and more!
 I think many users of our forum will agree with me if they read what is written in this topic.  I understand perfectly well that just giving someone your invention and not getting anything from it, as for example the casino boss offers you, is the most wrong and stupid action.  But your decision to wait for the best moment to implement the invention is the right decision.  In addition, over time, it is quite possible that you will have new thoughts and you will be able to somehow refine or improve your algorithm.
Overall, I wish you good luck and patience.
 Perhaps a year or two will pass and this invention will suddenly become in demand.

[danadc]

If you followed the conversation, you know that the objective of my system is to give the players that ability instead of it being just for specialists as you say.

There are casino bosses who understand this. I talked to one of them, who was simply expecting me to send it to him for free with no strings attached whatsoever. But at this point no I have almost no hope for monetizing my system. I’ve tried everything I could. I’ll just keep this in mind until the day I can somehow somewhere put it in place myself.

Honestly, you deserve my respect more and more!
 I think many users of our forum will agree with me if they read what is written in this topic.  I understand perfectly well that just giving someone your invention and not getting anything from it, as for example the casino boss offers you, is the most wrong and stupid action.  But your decision to wait for the best moment to implement the invention is the right decision.  In addition, over time, it is quite possible that you will have new thoughts and you will be able to somehow refine or improve your algorithm.
Overall, I wish you good luck and patience.
 Perhaps a year or two will pass and this invention will suddenly become in demand.

So what OP means is that he analyzed and read the Provably Fair algorithm well, but what does OP want? If it's not to monetize your product, what do you Want ? I see this like this, if I go in to play, and I know that I have a viable reading of the algorithm that the OP made , that means that before playing I must make a move to know if it works or not, that means that it is an algorithm movie prediction, if I make a very big bet, does the reading algorithm tell me if I win or not? Because that's how I see it, I don't know the technical part of these things Very Well , but I Understand that it can be Put into clear terms like this, right?

[Hamphser]

If you followed the conversation, you know that the objective of my system is to give the players that ability instead of it being just for specialists as you say.

There are casino bosses who understand this. I talked to one of them, who was simply expecting me to send it to him for free with no strings attached whatsoever. But at this point no I have almost no hope for monetizing my system. I’ve tried everything I could. I’ll just keep this in mind until the day I can somehow somewhere put it in place myself.

Honestly, you deserve my respect more and more!
 I think many users of our forum will agree with me if they read what is written in this topic.  I understand perfectly well that just giving someone your invention and not getting anything from it, as for example the casino boss offers you, is the most wrong and stupid action.  But your decision to wait for the best moment to implement the invention is the right decision.  In addition, over time, it is quite possible that you will have new thoughts and you will be able to somehow refine or improve your algorithm.
Overall, I wish you good luck and patience.
 Perhaps a year or two will pass and this invention will suddenly become in demand.

So what OP means is that he analyzed and read the Provably Fair algorithm well, but what does OP want? If it's not to monetize your product, what do you Want ? I see this like this, if I go in to play, and I know that I have a viable reading of the algorithm that the OP made , that means that before playing I must make a move to know if it works or not, that means that it is an algorithm movie prediction, if I make a very big bet, does the reading algorithm tell me if I win or not? Because that's how I see it, I don't know the technical part of these things Very Well , but I Understand that it can be Put into clear terms like this, right?

There's no such thing about algorithm.   specially on dealing up with gambling games specially on luck based and also there's no problem to that. yes its complex but as long it would be something fair
and not rigged then it should be fine. I dont know on what OP does really wants considering that he would be needing to be that contacted on his mediums.

If you followed the conversation, you know that the objective of my system is to give the players that ability instead of it being just for specialists as you say.

There are casino bosses who understand this. I talked to one of them, who was simply expecting me to send it to him for free with no strings attached whatsoever. But at this point no I have almost no hope for monetizing my system. I’ve tried everything I could. I’ll just keep this in mind until the day I can somehow somewhere put it in place myself.

Dont expect that you could be able to make money easily on whatever you plans but since you do look that you do persevere and having those hopes, then good luck into your endeavor.

[delfastTions]

If you followed the conversation, you know that the objective of my system is to give the players that ability instead of it being just for specialists as you say.

There are casino bosses who understand this. I talked to one of them, who was simply expecting me to send it to him for free with no strings attached whatsoever. But at this point no I have almost no hope for monetizing my system. I’ve tried everything I could. I’ll just keep this in mind until the day I can somehow somewhere put it in place myself.

Honestly, you deserve my respect more and more!
 I think many users of our forum will agree with me if they read what is written in this topic.  I understand perfectly well that just giving someone your invention and not getting anything from it, as for example the casino boss offers you, is the most wrong and stupid action.  But your decision to wait for the best moment to implement the invention is the right decision.  In addition, over time, it is quite possible that you will have new thoughts and you will be able to somehow refine or improve your algorithm.
Overall, I wish you good luck and patience.
 Perhaps a year or two will pass and this invention will suddenly become in demand.

So what OP means is that he analyzed and read the Provably Fair algorithm well, but what does OP want? If it's not to monetize your product, what do you Want ? I see this like this, if I go in to play, and I know that I have a viable reading of the algorithm that the OP made , that means that before playing I must make a move to know if it works or not, that means that it is an algorithm movie prediction, if I make a very big bet, does the reading algorithm tell me if I win or not? Because that's how I see it, I don't know the technical part of these things Very Well , but I Understand that it can be Put into clear terms like this, right?

There's no such thing about algorithm.   specially on dealing up with gambling games specially on luck based and also there's no problem to that. yes its complex but as long it would be something fair
and not rigged then it should be fine. I dont know on what OP does really wants considering that he would be needing to be that contacted on his mediums.

But on the other hand, if you start playing some kind of gambling game and make, for example, large bets, of course you need to be sure that the game is being played fairly. 
Simply because on your part these bets are made based on your capabilities and your game moves.  And your gaming behavior is 100% fair. 
But is this the case on the part of your opponent in the form of an online casino?  How can you be sure of this?  Not at all.  If you don't have any tool to check. 

Here OP claims that he invented such a tool. 
However, the question remains open that at the time the casino is checked by this tool, they will turn out to be fair, but the casino algorithm may also contain dishonest elements and games that appear in individual rounds of the game in a random order.  How to catch such manifestations of dishonesty on the part of the casino is probably quite difficult.
 And even an extremely powerful verification tool may not be able to cope if such bursts of “luck on the casino’s side” are programmed quite rarely.

[AussieMat]

I come back to this thread after a while. I am still available.

I think the only reason casino executives have either decided to not proceed with me after some discussion or not to answer me altogether, is that they’re afraid to look like fools when finally I reveal my system it would be flawed.

That’s because I am willing to reveal it 100% free, except with some commitments if the casino was to use it. They don’t want to look like fools taking the time to make those commitments and then at last it’s not what they expected.

Anyway, if you’re reading this, don’t hesitate to contact me!

[paxmao]

If you followed the conversation, you know that the objective of my system is to give the players that ability instead of it being just for specialists as you say.

There are casino bosses who understand this. I talked to one of them, who was simply expecting me to send it to him for free with no strings attached whatsoever. But at this point no I have almost no hope for monetizing my system. I’ve tried everything I could. I’ll just keep this in mind until the day I can somehow somewhere put it in place myself.

Honestly, you deserve my respect more and more!
 I think many users of our forum will agree with me if they read what is written in this topic.  I understand perfectly well that just giving someone your invention and not getting anything from it, as for example the casino boss offers you, is the most wrong and stupid action.  But your decision to wait for the best moment to implement the invention is the right decision.  In addition, over time, it is quite possible that you will have new thoughts and you will be able to somehow refine or improve your algorithm.
Overall, I wish you good luck and patience.
 Perhaps a year or two will pass and this invention will suddenly become in demand.

So what OP means is that he analyzed and read the Provably Fair algorithm well, but what does OP want? If it's not to monetize your product, what do you Want ? I see this like this, if I go in to play, and I know that I have a viable reading of the algorithm that the OP made , that means that before playing I must make a move to know if it works or not, that means that it is an algorithm movie prediction, if I make a very big bet, does the reading algorithm tell me if I win or not? Because that's how I see it, I don't know the technical part of these things Very Well , but I Understand that it can be Put into clear terms like this, right?

The OP needs to make a very good case to sell anything to a casino. Even the least sophisticated of the sites is already quite sophisticated compared to other businesses. It is one of the leading industries in application of technology and they know their bits and bytes. I wonder what were the reasons why the prospective clients said no. A "no" is something to be used as experience but you need to follow up.

[spinprovider]

unless you can set new custom seed (and actually set a new seed for every game round, which nobody does), the provably fair game is a sham, for example on duelbits.com you cannot actually set a custom 'seed' and instead just 'cycle' for a new seed (which is decided by it's backend),

this opinion is coming from own experience creating turnkey/whitelabel casino platforms / custom games (slots & livecasino) for instance check https://portfolio.wildwestgaming.net.

Ofcourse if you do need game distribution I hold myself recommend (check my topic on profile).

If you followed the conversation, you know that the objective of my system is to give the players that ability instead of it being just for specialists as you say.

There are casino bosses who understand this. I talked to one of them, who was simply expecting me to send it to him for free with no strings attached whatsoever. But at this point no I have almost no hope for monetizing my system. I’ve tried everything I could. I’ll just keep this in mind until the day I can somehow somewhere put it in place myself.

Honestly, you deserve my respect more and more!
 I think many users of our forum will agree with me if they read what is written in this topic.  I understand perfectly well that just giving someone your invention and not getting anything from it, as for example the casino boss offers you, is the most wrong and stupid action.  But your decision to wait for the best moment to implement the invention is the right decision.  In addition, over time, it is quite possible that you will have new thoughts and you will be able to somehow refine or improve your algorithm.
Overall, I wish you good luck and patience.
 Perhaps a year or two will pass and this invention will suddenly become in demand.

So what OP means is that he analyzed and read the Provably Fair algorithm well, but what does OP want? If it's not to monetize your product, what do you Want ? I see this like this, if I go in to play, and I know that I have a viable reading of the algorithm that the OP made , that means that before playing I must make a move to know if it works or not, that means that it is an algorithm movie prediction, if I make a very big bet, does the reading algorithm tell me if I win or not? Because that's how I see it, I don't know the technical part of these things Very Well , but I Understand that it can be Put into clear terms like this, right?

The OP needs to make a very good case to sell anything to a casino. Even the least sophisticated of the sites is already quite sophisticated compared to other businesses. It is one of the leading industries in application of technology and they know their bits and bytes. I wonder what were the reasons why the prospective clients said no. A "no" is something to be used as experience but you need to follow up.

Really casino is just user system, payment system, bonus system and 3rd party external game provisioning at it's essence.

Most work actually goes into backoffice but a casino tech wise inherently is not sophisticated, most work goes into adjusting & thinking of good rules/triggers marketing wise.
Per example to create bonuses at right time on casino level like:
https://i.ibb.co/znKpMxQ/target-rules.jpg

[paxmao]

unless you can set new custom seed (and actually set a new seed for every game round, which nobody does), the provably fair game is a sham, for example on duelbits.com you cannot actually set a custom 'seed' and instead just 'cycle' for a new seed (which is decided by it's backend),

this opinion is coming from own experience creating turnkey/whitelabel casino platforms / custom games (slots & livecasino) for instance check https://portfolio.wildwestgaming.net.

Ofcourse if you do need game distribution I hold myself recommend (check my topic on profile).

If you followed the conversation, you know that the objective of my system is to give the players that ability instead of it being just for specialists as you say.

There are casino bosses who understand this. I talked to one of them, who was simply expecting me to send it to him for free with no strings attached whatsoever. But at this point no I have almost no hope for monetizing my system. I’ve tried everything I could. I’ll just keep this in mind until the day I can somehow somewhere put it in place myself.

Honestly, you deserve my respect more and more!
 I think many users of our forum will agree with me if they read what is written in this topic.  I understand perfectly well that just giving someone your invention and not getting anything from it, as for example the casino boss offers you, is the most wrong and stupid action.  But your decision to wait for the best moment to implement the invention is the right decision.  In addition, over time, it is quite possible that you will have new thoughts and you will be able to somehow refine or improve your algorithm.
Overall, I wish you good luck and patience.
 Perhaps a year or two will pass and this invention will suddenly become in demand.

So what OP means is that he analyzed and read the Provably Fair algorithm well, but what does OP want? If it's not to monetize your product, what do you Want ? I see this like this, if I go in to play, and I know that I have a viable reading of the algorithm that the OP made , that means that before playing I must make a move to know if it works or not, that means that it is an algorithm movie prediction, if I make a very big bet, does the reading algorithm tell me if I win or not? Because that's how I see it, I don't know the technical part of these things Very Well , but I Understand that it can be Put into clear terms like this, right?

The OP needs to make a very good case to sell anything to a casino. Even the least sophisticated of the sites is already quite sophisticated compared to other businesses. It is one of the leading industries in application of technology and they know their bits and bytes. I wonder what were the reasons why the prospective clients said no. A "no" is something to be used as experience but you need to follow up.

Really casino is just user system, payment system, bonus system and 3rd party external game provisioning at it's essence.

Most work actually goes into backoffice but a casino tech wise inherently is not sophisticated, most work goes into adjusting & thinking of good rules/triggers marketing wise.
Per example to create bonuses at right time on casino level like:
[...]

That's what I mean by "sophisticated" - it is not the programming which will not set the site apart and it is rarely the games as there is an obvious easy way to copy. This is nothing extraordinary, but what you are pointing at in the backoffice is more complex than what you describe. To be competitive the site will need a very well data-based calibrated marketing. That is much more difficult to copy and it is sophisticated... when done correctly like in real world casinos.

[spinprovider]

unless you can set new custom seed (and actually set a new seed for every game round, which nobody does), the provably fair game is a sham, for example on duelbits.com you cannot actually set a custom 'seed' and instead just 'cycle' for a new seed (which is decided by it's backend),

this opinion is coming from own experience creating turnkey/whitelabel casino platforms / custom games (slots & livecasino) for instance check https://portfolio.wildwestgaming.net.

Ofcourse if you do need game distribution I hold myself recommend (check my topic on profile).

If you followed the conversation, you know that the objective of my system is to give the players that ability instead of it being just for specialists as you say.

There are casino bosses who understand this. I talked to one of them, who was simply expecting me to send it to him for free with no strings attached whatsoever. But at this point no I have almost no hope for monetizing my system. I’ve tried everything I could. I’ll just keep this in mind until the day I can somehow somewhere put it in place myself.

Honestly, you deserve my respect more and more!
 I think many users of our forum will agree with me if they read what is written in this topic.  I understand perfectly well that just giving someone your invention and not getting anything from it, as for example the casino boss offers you, is the most wrong and stupid action.  But your decision to wait for the best moment to implement the invention is the right decision.  In addition, over time, it is quite possible that you will have new thoughts and you will be able to somehow refine or improve your algorithm.
Overall, I wish you good luck and patience.
 Perhaps a year or two will pass and this invention will suddenly become in demand.

So what OP means is that he analyzed and read the Provably Fair algorithm well, but what does OP want? If it's not to monetize your product, what do you Want ? I see this like this, if I go in to play, and I know that I have a viable reading of the algorithm that the OP made , that means that before playing I must make a move to know if it works or not, that means that it is an algorithm movie prediction, if I make a very big bet, does the reading algorithm tell me if I win or not? Because that's how I see it, I don't know the technical part of these things Very Well , but I Understand that it can be Put into clear terms like this, right?

The OP needs to make a very good case to sell anything to a casino. Even the least sophisticated of the sites is already quite sophisticated compared to other businesses. It is one of the leading industries in application of technology and they know their bits and bytes. I wonder what were the reasons why the prospective clients said no. A "no" is something to be used as experience but you need to follow up.

Really casino is just user system, payment system, bonus system and 3rd party external game provisioning at it's essence.

Most work actually goes into backoffice but a casino tech wise inherently is not sophisticated, most work goes into adjusting & thinking of good rules/triggers marketing wise.
Per example to create bonuses at right time on casino level like:
https://i.ibb.co/znKpMxQ/target-rules.jpg

I agree on what you said, though I think sophisticated is just a wrong term. It kinda refers to being very smart or savvy, however being really sophisticated it's wrong term imo, it's more like extensive.

I know for myself, for casino industry you need to know a lot about a lot of different things/subjects however be a master at nothing. It's why most of this casino's is still from csgo or old days, there is not like a 'casino study' or 'school' so all learn as they go and really good casino's are owned by people being good at a lot but master at nothing.

In addition I can show you some stuff on PM/private talk if you wish, that makes the casino in addition to game RTP being in favor (mainly used for big bettors), a kind of modifier that makes games 80-90% RTP instead of the advertised 92-94% rtp.

[Dunamisx]

Am still surprised at seeing this thread still existing and being bumped on lately, well, i want to believe that there is still more to continue to discuss or update concerning the thread, even though as it has been for a while now that the OP is not active on it again, but the truth still remains about some certain things in life, that if you're trying to solve everyone's problem, you may ended up disappointing all.

[spinprovider]

Am still surprised at seeing this thread still existing and being bumped on lately, well, i want to believe that there is still more to continue to discuss or update concerning the thread, even though as it has been for a while now that the OP is not active on it again, but the truth still remains about some certain things in life, that if you're trying to solve everyone's problem, you may ended up disappointing all.

I htink in general, some stuff you don't even really wanna know because destroys view of world if you know for example all casino it's rigged to bone (to slot level).